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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Mira on February 28, 2018, 03:06:34 PM
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I saw the release date of October 25, 2018, anyone have anymore information on this?
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Probably rumour based on the "a few months after Brief Cases" estimate. I expect it would go up on his site as soon as anything was official.
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where did you see it?
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Amazon is notorious for just putting out dates like that, I would wait for the JB site announcement.
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where did you see it?
A website called Risingshadow
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even Amazon hasn't published a date yet. Unless someone heard something from Jim at the con this last weekend, I'd say it's all speculation.
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The website says October 25, 2018.... I'm skeptical but the fact they have it down to the day makes me wonder if they have some insider information?
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The website says October 25, 2018.... I'm skeptical but the fact they have it down to the day makes me wonder if they have some insider information?
I very much doubt it. If for no other reason, books come out on Tuesdays, and 10/25 is a Thursday.
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i just called penguin and asked the release date and they have nothing on the slate as of now for a release date
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i just called penguin and asked the release date and they have nothing on the slate as of now for a release date
Any date released by anyone right now regardless if it's true or false would be based on insider information. Penguin would not tell you because no date has been officially released.
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they may of been under the impression that i was a retailer asking because i had people wanting to put a deposit down on a number of books
they have given me unreleased info this way before
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they may of been under the impression that i was a retailer asking because i had people wanting to put a deposit down on a number of books
they have given me unreleased info this way before
Sneaky. I approve.
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I very much doubt it. If for no other reason, books come out on Tuesdays, and 10/25 is a Thursday.
Skin Game came out on a Thursday, so did Cold Days. Changes was released on a Sunday, Ghost Story a Friday, Turn Coat on a Sunday, . Didn't feel like finding more.
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Skin Game came out on a Thursday, so did Cold Days. Changes was released on a Sunday, Ghost Story a Friday, Turn Coat on a Sunday, . Didn't feel like finding more.
Not sure where you're pulling that from.
Skin Game: May 27, 2014: Tuesday.
Cold Days: November 27, 2012: Tuesday.
Ghost Story: July 26, 2011: Tuesday.
Changes: April 6, 2010: Tuesday.
Edit (cuz you cited it): Turn Coat, April 7, 2009: Tuesday.
These are publishing conventions for the past few decades. New books and video home-releases (from major studios—indie releases are more random) come out on Tuesdays. Most video games, too. Maybe you're looking at the audiobook release dates? Because those always come after the book is out, usually on Fridays, though there's more wiggle room, and with their rise in popularity, they're coming out closer to the initial release, sometimes at the same time.
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I was at Emerald City Comic Con this weekend. In his panel, Mr. Butcher stated he still had another six weeks of work, before he turned the manuscript over to his editors.
If I recall, he's had a bad time in the past when he had a deadline and couldn't make it, so he swore off giving a deadline. . .Right(I seem to remember him saying he'd never take an advance again. . .)?
All of which is to say, there is no release date.
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I was at Emerald City Comic Con this weekend. In his panel, Mr. Butcher stated he still had another six weeks of work, before he turned the manuscript over to his editors.
If I recall, he's had a bad time in the past when he had a deadline and couldn't make it, so he swore off giving a deadline. . .Right(I seem to remember him saying he'd never take an advance again. . .)?
All of which is to say, there is no release date.
That is still very, very encouraging. Six weeks of work left on an editable draft isn't all that bad. Considering Jim's past descriptions of the way he writes—late at night, while everyone is asleep, from around midnight-dawn—that's actually quite good. (In my experience, word count quotas force faster work than time allocation when you write full time.) And according to the calendar on Jim-Butcher.com, his next event isn't till the end of April, seven weeks from now, so maybe he'll turn in a draft before he heads out to the writing conference. Looks to me like it's shaping up for a solid late summer/early autumn release.
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God, I hope so.
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Is Jim going to flip flop books between series again?
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Is Jim going to flip flop books between series again?
He said the Olympia Affair (CS #2) is next on his writing queue in one of the previous statements, yes.
As much as we're all hella excited for Mirror Mirror, Jim has said alternating projects helps him not get sick of doing too much of one thing. Besides, more talking cats.
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He said the Olympia Affair (CS #2) is next on his writing queue in one of the previous statements, yes.
As much as we're all hella excited for Mirror Mirror, Jim has said alternating projects helps him not get sick of doing too much of one thing. Besides, more talking cats.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to either one of them. It took me two readings before I really got on board with the Cinder Spires, but I'm on the airship train now.
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Cinder Spires is very good. It's also the first series I've read which actively tries to be Steampunk, so yeah. Very good. :)
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If you like steampunk try the Ministry of Peculiar Occurrences series by Tee Morris and Pip Ballantine.
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That is still very, very encouraging. Six weeks of work left on an editable draft isn't all that bad.
Six weeks has a way of becoming nine weeks or longer. Six weeks is roughly the length of time from the Con Jim did this past weekend to the next public appearance he's scheduled to make near the end of April. Hopefully he can pull it off in that time frame, but; well, I've heard something like this before so I remain somewhat skeptical. I'll believe it when I see an official announcement and not before.
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If you like steampunk try the Ministry of Peculiar Occurrences series by Tee Morris and Pip Ballantine.
Thanks, I'll put it on the list. :)
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Six weeks has a way of becoming nine weeks or longer. Six weeks is roughly the length of time from the Con Jim did this past weekend to the next public appearance he's scheduled to make near the end of April. Hopefully he can pull it off in that time frame, but; well, I've heard something like this before so I remain somewhat skeptical. I'll believe it when I see an official announcement and not before.
Jim's main issues have been his comfort level. He requires a place of his own to write effectively. His excuse was his home being finished kept being pushed back. If his new place has in fact been finished and he's all moved in, he's probably back at work, and his six week quote is an accurate one.
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Cinder Spires is very good. It's also the first series I've read which actively tries to be Steampunk, so yeah. Very good. :)
I love TAW.
About something discussed above, all the book releases I remember have been on Tuesdays.
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Based on his recent statement of planning on having it done next month, I estimated an end of October release.
Again, it'll come when it comes.
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Halloween time would be pretty fitting for Harry's triumphant return to bookstore shelves.
About something discussed above, all the book releases I remember have been on Tuesdays.
As someone who works in an adjacent profession, I can confirm that Tuesday is New Release Day. I'm not actually sure why that is, though - seems a bit random.
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Halloween time would be pretty fitting for Harry's triumphant return to bookstore shelves. As someone who works in an adjacent profession, I can confirm that Tuesday is New Release Day. I'm not actually sure why that is, though - seems a bit random.
I thought the same about Halloween.
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Any idea on the average turn around time for manuscript edits?
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Any idea on the average turn around time for manuscript edits?
Just a random guess but I think once an author finished a book it usually takes around 6 months to get it edited and out on book shelves.
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That was going to be my guess as well.
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Halloween time would be pretty fitting for Harry's triumphant return to bookstore shelves. As someone who works in an adjacent profession, I can confirm that Tuesday is New Release Day. I'm not actually sure why that is, though - seems a bit random.
It's mostly for shipping. Printers release books for distribution typically the week before a book is officially on sale, and a Tuesday release date gives stores the weekend+Monday to make sure they have adequate stock, planogram their displays, and set up. Some stores like to do midnight releases for really, really big books (Twilight was the last time my local Barnes and Noble did it, as far as I can remember, so this isn't necessarily a positive thing for society), and this gives them the opportunity to do that.
It also gives a book the best chance to get on best-seller lists. New York Times doesn't reveal how they pick what goes onto their list, but Wall Street Journal is pretty open about relying fairly heavily on Nielson BookScan, which tracks individual sales rather than bulk purchases. Having a few days to rack up sales before releasing that week's Best-Seller List is usually pretty good for a book (unless you're one of those that premiere on the BSL, which has always boggled my mind, as people really don't preorder books anymore, unless it's on Amazon and the book is big enough to have release-day delivery).
Most of this is a carryover from brick-and-mortar distribution; it's become so ingrained in the publishing industry that they're going to keep doing it, regardless of real vs. perceived advantages. Since Kindle and Nook (I'm still a Nook purist, cuz I hate the Kindle app—I want page numbers, not nonsense percentages, dang it) hit the scene and digital copies overtook physical ones, there's really little point in still releasing on Tuesdays, but they won't stop. In fact, it's probably better for publishers to do a split release; Saturday/Sunday for eBook, Tuesday for hardcovers. The margin on eBooks is substantially higher; they don't have to pay a printer for anything, and they usually charge the same (or about the same) price for the new release. I think you'd see a bunch of hardcover purists cave in for digital if they could get their hands on an earlier copy.
That said, I doubt their printers would be happy about that, and you can't go screwing over your partners like that and expect to continue doing business with them.
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Just a random guess but I think once an author finished a book it usually takes around 6 months to get it edited and out on book shelves.
If that is accurate, that would place the book ready in mid October. I can live with that.
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Depends on the relationship between editor and author. Some of the insanely successful ones (Stephen King, for example) don't get much in the way of developmental edits, it's mostly proofreading. Usually somewhere around 2-3 rounds, typically a week or two between each one.
If there are developmental edits (which are things like "This scene doesn't fit here," or "This character is acting inconsistently with their prior characterization, justify the odd behavior or change it") then the process is considerably longer. Not sure where Jim fits on the scale, though I suspect he has a very good relationship with his editors. Considering the amount of thought he's put into Peace Talks, I doubt there will be too many developmental changes, and will mostly be on flow, typos, and grammar/sentence structure.
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Yeah, and Jim's Beta Readers are AWESOME. They usually pick up any oddities.
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Of course, different authors and different publishers have their own methods and general timeline in getting a book published, but Benedict Jacka has several pages on his website on the process, in general terms, of getting one of his novels from the idea stage to final publication. Here's an average timeline which Mr. Jacka says applies to most of his novels, and while it doesn't fit Jim Butcher; probably because of the way he uses his Beta readers to do a lot of self-editing, it gives us a good indication of the overall process for most authors.
So what does the full timeline look like?
1. Idea (? months)
2. Planning (1-2 months)
3. First Draft (5-7 months)
4. Waiting for Edits (1-2 months)
5. Edits (1-4 months)
6. Waiting for Copy-Edits (1-2 months)
7. Copy-Edits (<1 month)
8. Waiting for Proofs (1-2 months)
9. Proofs and AQs (minimal time)
10. Pre-Publication (4-6 months)
We can probably cut out the idea and planning stages, as they’re mostly done in the background while I work on other things. So that leaves the writing stage (step 3) and then the road to publication (steps 4 to 10). Adding it all up, we get the following time spans:
First Draft: 5-7 months
Road to Publication: 9-17 months
In practice, the time for the first drafts for the last few books has come in at a consistent 6 months, largely because that’s the deadline I set myself. The time for the road to publication stage has been more variable. Chosen took 11 months, Hidden took 14, and the new book is looking like it’ll be 13. Added together they average to close to a year. So 6 months to write the book, and 12 months to edit it and get it published.
If this seems like a long time, that’s because it is.
You can check out Benedict Jackas website for more detailed descriptions of each step in the process.
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Cinder Spires is very good. It's also the first series I've read which actively tries to be Steampunk, so yeah. Very good. :)
I've tried getting through it about 4-5 times, and even tried the audiobook. Fall asleep or lose focus every time. Still love everything else he's written, so no big loss. I'll celebrate when Peace Talks release is announced. ;D
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I've tried getting through it about 4-5 times, and even tried the audiobook. Fall asleep or lose focus every time. Still love everything else he's written, so no big loss. I'll celebrate when Peace Talks release is announced. ;D
I'm with you on that. I'll get through it one day, but I've tried and tried.
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I'm with you on that. I'll get through it one day, but I've tried and tried.
I have to admit I really didn't like Cinder Spires that much until I was fairly deep into the book. I felt it took a while for some of the characters to develop and for the story to draw me in. That's one of the risks with origin story novels with a large cast of characters who all look like they may have important roles to play. For example, it took a long time for me to care about the crazy Folly, but by the end of the story she was becoming interesting and I could start to see that she will be more important as the story moves forward. I also found the Captain Grimm character a little underwhelming at times. The potential is there but other characters often seemed to grab the spotlight away from him. Grimm doesn't have to be Captain Kirk but I thought he should stand out more than he does. Again, I think it's that origin story situation where so many characters have to be introduced and given space to grow.
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Captain Grimm reminds me too much to Harry. So I instantly liked him but I've felt a strong déjà vu feeling. But, perhaps I am a woman, I loved the book since the beginning except because I HATED Gwen name (Gwendolyn Margaret Elizabeth Lancaster, Margaret Gwendolyn LeFay)
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Maybe I'll start it again this weekend.
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The criticism I heard rings true. It just tries to introduce too many complex characters and thus does not really do justice to any one of them. The general argument is that Butcher should have either done this book with fewer characters -- or begin with smaller scale story to introduce well a number of the characters first and then bring the remaining characters in during the course of book 2 or 3. Based on how diverse the characters are, I would have thought a split story in book 1 (like he did in the fury series) would have worked well.
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Not true for me. The characters were, for me, the best part (even when I am not a fan of one particular character)
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October 30, the day before Halloween, is a Tuesday. Fingers crossed.
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October 30, the day before Halloween, is a Tuesday. Fingers crossed.
This is what I've been hoping for. Well, actually I hope Jim gets to release the last case file, or the first BAT installment ON Halloween.
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This is what I've been hoping for. Well, actually I hope Jim gets to release the last case file, or the first BAT installment ON Halloween.
Found this for you.
https://www.calendar-365.com/holidays/halloween.html
Looks like 2023 and 2028.
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So, Entirely possible .... YAY!
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2028 sounds about right for the last book in the BAT if Jim returns to Regularly Scheduled Releases.
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October 30, the day before Halloween, is a Tuesday. Fingers crossed.
day before harry's birth day
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We should throw a party.
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I'll bring the cranberry and prune juice!
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I'll bring the cranberry and prune juice!
I'll bring the toilet paper..... ::)
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Good call. Can never have too much of that!
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My problem with Cinder Spires was that it spent a lot of time with characters that weren't Rowl.
I mean, seriously, the entire thing should be about him. JB should write multiple POV's, but they should exist solely to tell the story of Rowl.
I'm in favor of renaming the series The Rowl Files.
I'm hoping for a crossover series with Mister, where the two grudgingly work together to save two worlds from the incompetence of their pet humans.
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Shup up :P
Seriously, I like Rowl a lot but not as much as other characters. I love most of the "cast" of this book.
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My problem with Cinder Spires was that it spent a lot of time with characters that weren't Rowl.
I mean, seriously, the entire thing should be about him. JB should write multiple POV's, but they should exist solely to tell the story of Rowl.
I'm in favor of renaming the series The Rowl Files.
I'm hoping for a crossover series with Mister, where the two grudgingly work together to save two worlds from the incompetence of their pet humans.
lol that's funny. My brother thought the cats were the most boring, and loved someone else. I think it was a captain? Anyways goes to show that we all pick which characters we love, even if the author doesn't plan it that way.
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lol that's funny. My brother thought the cats were the most boring, and loved someone else. I think it was a captain? Anyways goes to show that we all pick which characters we love, even if the author doesn't plan it that way.
Exactly. I liked Rowl's viewpoint and I would love to delve into the cat's society, but the warriorborn and the Perilous Incident both intrigue me as well. There are enough seeds sown for everyone to latch onto something.
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"But the cat was cool and he never said a mumblin' word."
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I really liked the Cinder Spires, but I'm hoping for a tighter focus in the next book. Some of the characterization felt a little forced to me; the only protagonists who felt natural were Gwen, Grim, and Rowl. The others just kinda felt stilted, like...well, like characters in a book. I felt similarly during the first entry to the Codex Alera, which (in my opinion) figured out what it was during the second book.
I still liked it, and it's mandatory reading on my Annual Butcher Reread, don't get me wrong. But... anyone here ever read Dracula? You know how some of the characters kinda just say things, and you roll with it because of the format of the book, but some of them never feel like people? Like Lucy and Quincy, to me. That's kinda the same note that struck me with some of the characters.
Liked the plot, liked the world that was being built (the highlight, for me), liked the mechanics, and generally liked the characters, but I want more from the next entry.
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I really liked the Cinder Spires, but I'm hoping for a tighter focus in the next book. Some of the characterization felt a little forced to me; the only protagonists who felt natural were Gwen, Grim, and Rowl. The others just kinda felt stilted, like...well, like characters in a book. I felt similarly during the first entry to the Codex Alera, which (in my opinion) figured out what it was during the second book.
I still liked it, and it's mandatory reading on my Annual Butcher Reread, don't get me wrong. But... anyone here ever read Dracula? You know how some of the characters kinda just say things, and you roll with it because of the format of the book, but some of them never feel like people? Like Lucy and Quincy, to me. That's kinda the same note that struck me with some of the characters.
Liked the plot, liked the world that was being built (the highlight, for me), liked the mechanics, and generally liked the characters, but I want more from the next entry.
I can see that. To be honest, Benedict felt like he was a part of the group just to introduce us to warriorborn, but I was ok with it because the premise of a half-cat half-human was interesting to me. Completely agree about the mechanics and world-building. Give me some more airship battles in the next book and I will be a happy camper.