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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: raidem on October 13, 2017, 08:56:14 PM
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Haven't established one but I'd like to see things heading to a conclusion by/around the end of the year if possible.
Not a lot of time to comb through the replies here.
Suffice it to say I don't think that it's something that's gonna get solved by a single monolithic solution, I think the community will need to gel around 2-3 things that solve different overlapping parts of the need: for example, Discord or Slack for some real-time social-connecting & chatting. An established well-moderated Facebook group for that platform (because if you don't include Facebook you'll miss a big chunk of folks; personally that platform's not for me, but it is the big leader in the field) — sounds like there's one out there already. Probably a Wiki or similar to store fan resources like Word of Jim.
Branch out, check out what is out there. Facebook, Google+, Discord, Reddit, Slack, etc. Join discussion in following threads for your input...
The Great Migration
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,50284.0.html
Time for the Forum to Move On
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,50237.0.html
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https://forum.malazanempire.com/index.php?
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https://forums.darklordpotter.net/forums/the-dresden-files.71/
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Is the Malazan Empire, books of the Fallen a good series?
I like that website by the way. Very nice.
Both are.
We should start working on this...
http://malazan.wikia.com/wiki/Malazan_Wiki
We don't need a Forum to do it, and we can put WOJ collection and some other References there using the Malazan wiki as a guide.
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Is the Malazan Empire, books of the Fallen a good series?
I’m in the process of reading it now. The writing is decent, the story interesting, and there are some fair bits of dry humour. One of the things I like is that it’s a vast world with many, many characters and the story isn’t spoon fed to you (quite the contrary, it just immerses you without explanation and you learn by context). Each book so far, on the sixth now, has different point of view characters and even occur in different time periods and on various continents.
I will say that the first book has been, by far, the worst to the point I’m at, as you might expect. It’s a bit rougher in terms of writing and some of the story elements made me roll my eyes (though, not as much as Dresden Files). The author really corrected course by the second book, though, reining in the eye roll inducing portions and converting them into that dry humour I mentioned.
Anyway, I recommend the series for what it’s worth.
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I posted them as additional sites with Dresden topics and good layouts.
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I agree with many in the main exit thread: Forums aren't dinosaurs OR dying in the niches they occupy. If anything, they're growing. No other social media design captures near-time conversation, topic organization, search-ability, anonymity, and global 'one stop shop' for everything that forum is about. Every other option mentioned (Facebook, G+, Reddit, Discord, etc.) fails one or more of those major features.
Getting rid of the official forum concept is a big mistake, and will almost certainly spawn another forum(s) that are 'unofficial' for fans to get those community features. Iago may be done with the forums, but he's likely to find out after they're changed to read-only that the fan base isn't done with the Forum concept. It'll fracture for a while into all these other SM spaces, then imperfectly coalesce back onto another BBS style forum somewhere else. After Iago breaks the tablets, and the JBO fanbase spends a few months wandering in the FaceBook, Reddit (lol), and G+ desert, perhaps the 17th Shard will take them in. They certainly don't seem to be 'dying'.
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I agree with many in the main exit thread: Forums aren't dinosaurs OR dying in the niches they occupy. If anything, they're growing. No other social media design captures near-time conversation, topic organization, search-ability, anonymity, and global 'one stop shop' for everything that forum is about. Every other option mentioned (Facebook, G+, Reddit, Discord, etc.) fails one or more of those major features.
Getting rid of the official forum concept is a big mistake, and will almost certainly spawn another forum(s) that are 'unofficial' for fans to get those community features. Iago may be done with the forums, but he's likely to find out after they're changed to read-only that the fan base isn't done with the Forum concept. It'll fracture for a while into all these other SM spaces, then imperfectly coalesce back onto another BBS style forum somewhere else. After Iago breaks the tablets, and the JBO fanbase spends a few months wandering in the FaceBook, Reddit (lol), and G+ desert, perhaps the 17th Shard will take them in. They certainly don't seem to be 'dying'.
I agree for the most part and have checked out Reddit and Facebook and prefer what we have here. What is the reason exactly for having to disband and move?
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Maintainance. Iago got fed up with it. From what I understand he had made up his mind and there is nothing we can do about it.
So we got to hear that forums are not hip anymore and that it was time to move on. As any programmer knows, how the software looks like is more important than the functionality. And young kids use Facebook now.
I am on Facebook because some of my friends are and it is the ideal medium for sharing pictures of your cats but for long term discussions it is just to fleeting.
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So we got to hear that forums are not hip anymore and that it was time to move on. As any programmer knows, how the software looks like is more important than the functionality. And young kids use Facebook now.
And that's the part that peeves me off the most about the situation: the impression of dishonesty. I say impression because I don't know Iago's mind and won't accuse him of dishonesty if he truly does feel the BB format is dead and we're all very reluctant users who'd much rather be on Facebook or Reddit, despite the copious evidence to the contrary. If he's tired of it he's tired of it... this happens all the time. Give it over to someone else, and if nobody wants to step up and JB isn't interested in professional management/hosting then let it die of it's own accord, but don't try and tell us something that's simply not true for what's likely the vast majority of us.
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Everyone needs to remember that Iago's original purpose for the boards is different from what we use them for.
For RPG, it's apparently inefficient. There are better things out there. He wants to try them.
For info on the series, there are other places, such as FB, Reddit, and the Wiki.
As a gateway for JB to interact with the fans, it's no longer ideal. He rarely interacts here. Instead, he uses Reddit, like other authors.
Iago is paying for and supporting a site that no longer holds any purpose for him. Why should he spend money and time on it?
He's been courteous enough to give us time to find alternatives. If he'd wanted to, he could have just shut the site down. We need to appreciate that.
Another thing to note, at least to me, is the silence from many of the moderators. Some have spoken up, but others have not. It makes me wonder if it's more than just Iago who's tired.
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No promises but I am talking to a friend of mine to help me with the computer side of setting up a forum while I'm inquiring about the financial requirements. I'm curious if the people on the board want an all around Jim Butcher board, or a forum focused mostly on just the Dresden Files?
Also about Forum conduct. Would people like the more strict guidelines for this forum, or would they like things to be loosened up a bit?
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Everyone needs to remember that Iago's original purpose for the boards is different from what we use them for.
For RPG, it's apparently inefficient. There are better things out there. He wants to try them.
For info on the series, there are other places, such as FB, Reddit, and the Wiki.
As a gateway for JB to interact with the fans, it's no longer ideal. He rarely interacts here. Instead, he uses Reddit, like other authors.
Iago is paying for and supporting a site that no longer holds any purpose for him. Why should he spend money and time on it?
He's been courteous enough to give us time to find alternatives. If he'd wanted to, he could have just shut the site down. We need to appreciate that.
Another thing to note, at least to me, is the silence from many of the moderators. Some have spoken up, but others have not. It makes me wonder if it's more than just Iago who's tired.
Moderating can be a lot of effort but it is one of the things that makes this site what it is and I do understand that the effort that goes into the site must be justified. The sign on the wall was already there when Jim himself used the forum less and less.
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We should start working on this...
http://malazan.wikia.com/wiki/Malazan_Wiki
We don't need a Forum to do it, and we can put WOJ collection and some other References there using the Malazan wiki as a guide.
You mean this?
http://dresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/Dresden_Files (http://dresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/Dresden_Files)
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No promises but I am talking to a friend of mine to help me with the computer side of setting up a forum while I'm inquiring about the financial requirements. I'm curious if the people on the board want an all around Jim Butcher board, or a forum focused mostly on just the Dresden Files?
Also about Forum conduct. Would people like the more strict guidelines for this forum, or would they like things to be loosened up a bit?
I would say a Dresden heavy forum. Maybe a sub-section for non-dresden works and another subsection like the bar.
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I'd like to keep threads for all Butcher works at the same site.
My main need is a forum with some access to Reference collection and real time chat.
DolphinPro or Oxwall. Each has functionality for both. They'd be in the future forum, assuming we migrate this one first.
If I don't hear back from Iago by the end of the month, then I'll assume he doesn't want us to migrate, and we'll start developing a DP/O forum and archive in November, beta it, manually transfer the collection, and plan on launching by the end of the year.
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What would be the best way to work funding?
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Another thing to note, at least to me, is the silence from many of the moderators. Some have spoken up, but others have not. It makes me wonder if it's more than just Iago who's tired.
Been that way awhile, I figured they'd bring in new blood but the moderating seems to have just gotten more centralized instead, with only the main mods stepping in, even if others had been around. Think it was a 'unison' policy.
Also about Forum conduct. Would people like the more strict guidelines for this forum, or would they like things to be loosened up a bit?
I'd appreciate a step up on not letting people just bash the shit out of someone else's theory because they don't like it themselves....
Also... drive by troll posts from relatively inactive users. it's really not appreciated and happens quite a bit... better regulations/people actually caring to check for duplicate IP addresses and such.
OHHH and no covering things up, sweeping it under the rug, deleting all the evidence and hushing it up, ect, ect. Hiding evidence is indicative of a guilty conscience, not one justified in it's actions or even self righteously believing them so and letting people actually voice things with their bretheren, the peoples of the boards instead of trying to squish it under dictatorialship, ect. If it's to be our community, let it be ours for once....
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What would be the best way to work funding?
I don't know. Shard never got back to me, but they use a PayPal add-on on their site for donations. With it only being ~$100/year, we should be able to raise it pretty quickly.
I'm tempted to wait until next summer to have a fundraiser around the time the new books come out. We could then let the money sit in the PayPal account until the site fees need to be renewed each year.
If 300 regular and new users donated a dollar around that time, we'd have three years of funding, minus a reimbursement for the initial year. If we didn't raise much, then we might have to go the Patreon route, with folks donating yearly.
But I'd rather ride the wave of book release interest to hit more people up for smaller amounts. $1 for a year or more of site hosting seems fair.
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I don't know. Shard never got back to me, but they use a PayPal add-on on their site for donations. With it only being ~$100/year, we should be able to raise it pretty quickly.
I'm tempted to wait until next summer to have a fundraiser around the time the new books come out. We could then let the money sit in the PayPal account until the site fees need to be renewed each year.
If 300 regular and new users donated a dollar around that time, we'd have three years of funding, minus a reimbursement for the initial year. If we didn't raise much, then we might have to go the Patreon route, with folks donating yearly.
But I'd rather ride the wave of book release interest to hit more people up for smaller amounts. $1 for a year or more of site hosting seems fair.
I guess I am a little more inclined towards Patreon because, like Darby Crane, "I don't trust those people at Paypal." But, whatever works easiest and best.
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I guess I am a little more inclined towards Patreon because, like Darby Crane, "I don't trust those people at Paypal." But, whatever works easiest and best.
I don't know much about Patreon. Do you know if it allows for payments from an account, or is it just a donation thing?
The appeal for PayPal is that we can set it up with the funds paid directly to it, and the yearly bill can be deducted. If someone else were to take over "ownership", the funds could be transferred to another account.
If Patreon can do something similar, then it's certainly an option.
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The only thing that I know about Patreon is that youtube group Screen Team uses it to fund their parody videos. My wife uses Paypal for some ebay shopping; so, I can get her to help me.
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Also about Forum conduct. Would people like the more strict guidelines for this forum, or would they like things to be loosened up a bit?
Definitely more loosened up. This place is a bit upright in the typical american way (hard lines of out of bounds things that a normal adult should be more than capable of talking about).
Also, you guys with no tech background keep talking about spending money and setting up sites. Perhaps wait a bit more for a group decision based on researched choices. There are sites where, if you get served ads, will be free and will be professionally maintained (security updates, maintenance, t.ex) if no one with technical skills wants to be responsible and, even if they do, it may still be the best choice.
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... and real time chat.
Haha... I joined the discord thingie and saw you’ve been enjoying it. :) I, on the other hand, just skim the comments. Maybe I’ll say hi.
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Raidem said:
I think a general unofficial moderator status for people who migrate over from here to there should be warranted. I say unofficial in that they can be aware of what is going on and alert others, moderators, admins, of trouble areas.
I'm only a lurker/rare poster here, but I'm a regular on a couple of Discourse boards. They have user trust levels, where once a certain level of participation is achieved, users can flag problematic posts and they get hidden until a moderator weighs in on them. It might be worth looking at.
Moderators can also manually adjust trust levels, so the frequent posters here could start at higher levels from the start.
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Definitely more loosened up. This place is a bit upright in the typical american way (hard lines of out of bounds things that a normal adult should be more than capable of talking about).
Also, you guys with no tech background keep talking about spending money and setting up sites. Perhaps wait a bit more for a group decision based on researched choices. There are sites where, if you get served ads, will be free and will be professionally maintained (security updates, maintenance, t.ex) if no one with technical skills wants to be responsible and, even if they do, it may still be the best choice.
There is a poll for everyone to voice an opinion. But, the decisions made by a group are usually slower than the decisions made by one.
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I don't know. Shard never got back to me, but they use a PayPal add-on on their site for donations. With it only being ~$100/year, we should be able to raise it pretty quickly.
I'm tempted to wait until next summer to have a fundraiser around the time the new books come out. We could then let the money sit in the PayPal account until the site fees need to be renewed each year.
If 300 regular and new users donated a dollar around that time, we'd have three years of funding, minus a reimbursement for the initial year. If we didn't raise much, then we might have to go the Patreon route, with folks donating yearly.
But I'd rather ride the wave of book release interest to hit more people up for smaller amounts. $1 for a year or more of site hosting seems fair.
I'll kick in a hundred bucks to pay for the first year if it's a regular forum like this one. Mostly because I hate Reddit's layout; following a thread is too confusing to me, with hidden comments. And Karma is a stupid system that drives a hivemind mentality.
This place is too cool, and I want to help how I can. I can't do computer things because I'm an old man, but I don't want anyone to have to reach into their pocket if they don't have to. Money's easy; work is hard. When a funding PayPal or whatever is set up, message me, and I'll send the funds.
As far as features, I don't really care about anything beyond being able to post what I want in a linear format.
A function to sort the various Words of Jim would be outstanding; right now, the best we have is a bunch of threads (thoughtfully provided by those with a whole lot of patience), and it's a bit dicey to find things when you're looking for them. A function for users to add a new Word of Jim, with moderator approval (and source provided) would be cool, too. There were a bunch from people who ran into him at signings and such that I don't recall seeing in the overall Word of Jim section (but I could also just not have found them). Maybe a tagging function would work well for that—adding "Red Court," "Mantle," and "Fire" tags to a specific post would make finding things easier.
Perhaps some method by which Words of Jim could be inserted into a post in an automated way would be helpful. Click a thing, have access to tags, sort, find the relevant WoJ, and click to add it at your cursor. That way, there are no copy+pasting errors, and everything would be in the original format. I have absolutely no idea if that's even possible.
A function to tag threads as Theory (though I'd prefer hypothesis because I'm a grammar fascist) would be helpful.
In terms of forum conduct, I'll just say that I'd like it if the rules were basically "Don't be a d*ck to anyone." Many get defensive during disagreements that are otherwise polite, and conversation often degenerates to name-calling and hurt feelings because unaligned perspectives and interpretations. Maybe a function by which temporary bans can be automatically issued by the community if a certain number of different accounts flag a post (say, ten or twenty or more, a threshold that shouldn't be easy to cross, but one that exists to ease pressure on moderators). It'd make spam easier to contravene.
I think Raidem's idea of applying a certain level of moderator control to thread creators might be a good idea, but that there should be some method to control who can create threads. Maybe a post count requirement before someone has thread-creation privileges, which can be revoked if someone makes constant bullying threads or nonsense ones.
On Patreon: I don't know how payments are sent, but I do know that PayPal requires a modest 3%(ish) per transaction. I don't know what Patreon charges. But they do provide functions for donation rewards that can be set up to automatically go out, and have clear funding goal meters and thresholds. For example, if you need $100 per year, you can have that shown directly on the Patreon page, with progress toward it highly visible. For a community thing, transparency might be a good thing. Donation buttons don't show you how much has already been raised.
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Definitely more loosened up. This place is a bit upright in the typical american way (hard lines of out of bounds things that a normal adult should be more than capable of talking about).
Also, you guys with no tech background keep talking about spending money and setting up sites. Perhaps wait a bit more for a group decision based on researched choices. There are sites where, if you get served ads, will be free and will be professionally maintained (security updates, maintenance, t.ex) if no one with technical skills wants to be responsible and, even if they do, it may still be the best choice.
Sites that run free ads often have viruses because the ads themselves become security threats.
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Agreed. Better to pay a little for membership than deal with that.
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I don't know. Shard never got back to me, but they use a PayPal add-on on their site for donations. With it only being ~$100/year, we should be able to raise it pretty quickly.
I'm tempted to wait until next summer to have a fundraiser around the time the new books come out. We could then let the money sit in the PayPal account until the site fees need to be renewed each year.
If 300 regular and new users donated a dollar around that time, we'd have three years of funding, minus a reimbursement for the initial year. If we didn't raise much, then we might have to go the Patreon route, with folks donating yearly.
But I'd rather ride the wave of book release interest to hit more people up for smaller amounts. $1 for a year or more of site hosting seems fair.
I like the idea of riding the wave of interest a new book will bring. That interest would also serve to attract both new users and those who have become dormant over time. Hopefully leading to more money raised and more membership transfer to the new site.
Definitely more loosened up. This place is a bit upright in the typical american way (hard lines of out of bounds things that a normal adult should be more than capable of talking about).
Also, you guys with no tech background keep talking about spending money and setting up sites. Perhaps wait a bit more for a group decision based on researched choices. There are sites where, if you get served ads, will be free and will be professionally maintained (security updates, maintenance, t.ex) if no one with technical skills wants to be responsible and, even if they do, it may still be the best choice.
I would rather chip in some money (with enough people shouldn't be more than the price of a coffee) and be ad free and have a better user experience. I agree with groinkick that with ads the risk of spam and viruses increase exponentially. Plus ads might turn new users away.
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I think that the time between the closing of this forum and the arrival of the next book would be the optimal time for working out kinks in the transition. There will be a small but seasoned number of members with several months of system testing time to manage the influx of new and renewed activity.
Plus, I agree with the dislike of the Reddit system of karma points. While some of the Facebook groups and the Discord chatroom that I have joined are friendly and talkative; I sense that many are only recently asking plot questions that have been discussed in great detail here.
I could be mistaken; but it is how I feel.
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I'm looking for servers to host a website... So far the cheapest (reliable server) I can find is around $200 a month. Will keep looking
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Are we saying we should reform around the time the new book comes out? And just, between 1/2018 and then go about our business, because whatever I'm certain iago wants to shut this place down near the end of the year.
No. I'm saying we have a forum soon, I'll pay for it out of pocket and set up one method of donating or another to reimburse along the way, and we'll focus on getting the new site with new features up by the next book, at which time we'll ask folks for a modest donation.
I like the idea of transparency in the fundraising. Maybe Patreon will be better. But we have time to research that.
I'm looking for servers to host a website... So far the cheapest (reliable server) I can find is around $200 a month. Will keep looking
Dude, no. No no. We just need a Linux box for web hosting and DB storage. Check out this page, which is TMDHosting's page specifically for hosting a SMF site like we have now.
https://www.tmdhosting.com/smf-hosting.html
Just hold off on buying anything. We need to strategize. If Iago isn't open to migrating, we'll skip SMF (since there's no real benefit at that point) and we'll just develop DolphinPro or Oxwall.
Look at these two samples. Note the tabs.
DolphinPro
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Oxwall
(http://blog.oxwall.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/solent_theme.jpg)
Both of these are free, so all we'd be paying for is the hosting fee, which is the same as the SMF option. It'll just take time to develop these.
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I think that the time between the closing of this forum and the arrival of the next book would be the optimal time for working out kinks in the transition. There will be a small but seasoned number of members with several months of system testing time to manage the influx of new and renewed activity.
Plus, I agree with the dislike of the Reddit system of karma points. While some of the Facebook groups and the Discord chatroom that I have joined are friendly and talkative; I sense that many are only recently asking plot questions that have been discussed in great detail here.
I could be mistaken; but it is how I feel.
I've specifically linked people to threads in the reference section that covered some of those questions, others I 'wowed' with what I consider an old hat.
...Hate Reddit for theory.
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Both look nice and seem to offer alot of room for expansion.
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There is a poll for everyone to voice an opinion. But, the decisions made by a group are usually slower than the decisions made by one.
There are over two months, still. Just set a deadline for making the decision so it gives enough time to implement the plan but enough time to assess the options. :) I’ve set up lots of websites, being a designer, but a free and professionally hosted forum service is probably best for a non-centralised community like this, I think.
Where is the poll? There are so many fora here, I can’t find much.
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http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/board,82.0.html
This is the official Future Forum Category. The poll is one of the threads in it.
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And 17th shard-styled forum is in the lead.
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Thanks. Not that it was a close vote, but I also voted for a forum replacement.
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I think that many, like me, just prefer the ease and structure of a forum over the chaos of other social media.
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I agree. While I have found the odd thread once or twice that has given me food for thought; they really don't match this forum for detailed discussion and debate.
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you know pantheon would be nice way to keep the forum going plus we can have rewards like a character you create appears in the future book you choose or ability to affect plot on some level( we are still wait for peace talks so why not help jim write next book for small fee)
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We have a woj on this... Jim views fan crack theory boards for entertainment.
That's perfectly enough material to come up with fan crack theory. And fan crack theory is awesome. I love reading fan crack theory. I will go through occasionally and look at the crack theory boards, and it's like excellent. And occasionally its like 'ooh that's actually better than what I had planned..."
Noquiexis
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HostGator has a higher rating at that website than TMD, 9.3 vs 8.2.
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This has TMD better than HostGator. 8.9v 6.0.
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This says Host Gator is better as website grows. HostGator has better Windows functionality, customer service, self-help forums. TMD limited to ticket service.
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TMD cheaper. More worldwide datacenters.
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Reddit is a kharma Chase.
I actually just find it incredibly obnoxious to read. There's no straight format. Replies go to comments, so you have multiple subthreads, and people respond to the OP, missing stuff that was already covered in the comment threads, then people getting mad that they missed the subthreads.
But yeah, Kharma is stupid, and promotes mass downvoting of unpopular ideas. NOT THAT I WANT START ONE BECAUSE WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE TOO MANY TIMESbut imagine a Murphy character thread on any place BUT a regular, linear forum, for example. The minority will be shouted down every time. Not that that doesn't kind of happen here, but at least everyone's messages are displayed, and have a fair shot of being read.
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I looked at the TMD website. I could find no "Terms of Service" on any web page. This should be on the landing page (https://www.tmdhosting.com) and any sales page after that. Also, most of the "Shared Hosting FAQ (https://www.tmdhosting.com/shared-hosting.html)" questions will not open. Omissions and errors like this do not inspire a great deal of confidence.
HostGator (http://www.hostgator.com/) has a promotion "Starting at only$3.95/mo*" (which increases after the first term). See their Hosting price chart (http://support.hostgator.com/articles/articles/pre-sales-policies/hosting-price-chart). Scroll down to the "Shared Hosting" section. The longer the term, the less the website will cost.
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I have two SMF forums at WebHostingPad, but I may be moving to HostGator. Apparently WebHostingPad hosts porn websites, so they are blacklisted by several web hosts. Some of my admins cannot get e-mail from my website. My "family friendly / work safe" forum is at Magnus Bay Colony (http://www.arimecibo.com/magnus/index.php) if you want to see the current version of SMF software (http://download.simplemachines.org/) (2.0.14).
I also have the current version of Coppermine Photo Gallery (http://coppermine-gallery.net/) (cpg1.5.46) if you would like to see that. Other than the User pictures, there is no need for CPG for this forum. That being said, it would cost no more to install it.
:) :) :)
I like the fact that TMD will help transfer the existing forum, offers free spam help for domain email, advertises SSD, free domain, and claims to have experts for each forum software listed on the site to handle all upgrades.
As for comparisons, this site has TMD ranked 7th of all sites (HG isn't in the top ten), and has TMD winning the head-to-head.
https://hostadvice.com/hosting-companies/
https://hostadvice.com/tools/web-hosting-comparison/hostgator-vs-tmdhosting/
Here's another that has TMD ranked better.
http://wpvsblogger.com/tmdhosting-vs-hostgator/
Their terms are listed here.
https://www.tmdhosting.com/terms-home.html
That said, I'm not married to one or the other. I've got one more day of work, and then I'm off for 11 days. I'm planning on spending some time reviewing more options.
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Griffyn, you have my support in whatever gets chosen. I am a tech-sluggish person. So, I am just going to go with the flow and hope for the best. Unless the best is reddit; then, I am going to be bummed.
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Griffyn, you have my support in whatever gets chosen. I am a tech-sluggish person. So, I am just going to go with the flow and hope for the best. Unless the best is reddit; then, I am going to be bummed.
Are we the same person?
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We could be if you are also ruggedly-good-looking, intelligent, and witty while being humble and kind to animals. LOL
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We could be if you are also ruggedly-good-looking, intelligent, and witty while being humble and kind to animals. LOL
Well, if Cozarkian fits that profile we must be identical triplets because you just described me. Though I don't like to brag; you know, the whole humility thing, I can't deny who I am. ;D
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Understood, it is a struggle.