"I have not exchanged words with my sister since before Hastings."
How long has the White Council had the BlackstaffThis is widely believed to be when Mother Winter "Lost her walking stick." (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35014.0.html) Jim doesn't flat out confirm this, but has acknowledged that plenty of people on the internet have figured out the origin of the Blackstaff correctly. Which sounds a lot like the kind of thing that could be associated with "The last time things got awful in the wizard world."
Look for Celtic Lore around 1065 ad.
Just an add on thought here...
So, we always talk about Mother Winter's Walking Stick as the being's stick not the position/title/mantle's stick. It would seem to me that the easiest way to get the stick would be during a transition of mothers. That would imply that the current mothers were replaced at the time of Hastings, thus leading to the promotion of Mab, etc.
1. the mothers - how does a queen become a mother? like after a thousand yrs, old winter dies and mab becomes the new mother?
Essentially abdication. The previous mother wearies of her duty and moves along. There's been one new Mother Summer during recorded human history. Mother Winter has never retired.
The Sidhe haven't always been as they are now That is, the current state of Summer and Winter Fae doesn't necessarily reflect how they used to be.(click to show/hide)
'Lot of interbreeding there,' Bob said. Back in the old, old, old days. Before the Sidhe Wars"The Shen are from Chinese Mythology by the way.
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Even before my time, but I've heard all kinds of stories. The Daoine Sidhe, the Tuatha, the Fomor, the Tylwyth Teg, the Shen. Epic alliances, epic betrayals, epic battles, epic weddings, epic sex
The Sidhe were created by outside agents for a purpose. (My spin on the below WoJ is that they already existed in some form, and were... appropriated and reshaped to purpose)
Relevant mini-theory derived from the above 3 quotes: Although the Summer and Winter Courts were probably already a dichotomy, taking up stewardship of the Guardianship of the Outer Gates and the associated terrible power and responsibility is probably the wedge that drove Mab and Titania apart such that Titania no longer can even speak with her sister, and probably instigating the creation of the two Knight mantles that were "meant to be divided."
So in conclusion, the above evidence seems to support these positions that together mean the two events were contemporary to each other:1. Agreed
- Our Mab is the one who took over at the gates
- "Hastings" is when the White Council obtained the Blackstaff, which is probably Mother Winter's walking stick and is probably "The last time things got awful in the wizard world." That is, when Mab and Titania's predecessors died and they ascended.
- Mab's position as defender of the gates is what defines the purpose of Titania's power, and is the likely wedge responsible for Titania no longer speaking with her "since Hastings"
The problem with the idea of Titania being Demeter is that the "abduction" of Persephone is well before Hastings for that to personal.Depends on which Titania you're talking about. :)
How can it be partly Oberon's fault if they haven't spoken since Hastings? Shakespeare is centuries after that. I was wondering about that point too--specifically---they had a love triangle when neither of them were communicating with each other at all!I assumed Billy Shakes was simply borrowing from events that had happened long before. My guess is that it happened before either of them were Queens, and were still Ladies, if not un-mantled teenage Changelings.
The former gatekeeper was the father of the author of Dante's Divine Comedy--Alighiero di Bellincione, as revealed in the most recent RPG book.Damn. So dude was already in the wizardly equivalent of Old Age even /before/ he became Gatekeeper. That puts Rashid kicking around as a top tier Wizard in 731-738 AD (Lovecraft said 738, Derleth said 731) but not becoming Gatekeeper until 4-5 centuries later at least, which is already older than any other living wizard we know of.
With regard to Titania/Mab not speaking. They are twins. Mab had twins. Seems likely Titania had twins. Perhaps o e didn't survive Hastings?Titania had twins? As in Aurora had a sister? Who-wha?!? That will be very significant for my prediction-crafting...
I've also wondered about the previous Winter Ladies--especially since we have a gaping period of around ~800 years where Maeve probably wasn't in that seat, and moreover Mab was busy being Queen. "In Mab's time," is a bit vague of a descriptor for when the last Winter Lady died (Mab's time as Queen? Mab's time in existence?) but I'm going to toss out a wild guess: Was it, perhaps, another of Titania's daughters? Mab had twins, it would be oddly symmetrical if Titania did as well...and that like Sarissa leaving her mother by chance to be Lady of an opposite court...so did Titania's other daughter. Perhaps killed by a Starborn?
Titania had twins? As in Aurora had a sister? Who-wha?!? That will be very significant for my prediction-crafting...
Not sure it would strictly be nessesary, in that Hecate was already a Tripple-Goddess, and so might have already been a power shared across multiple hosts. I agree that they definitely seem to have consolidated Power into the one set (or rather two sets) of queens, but there would have already been a power of three sort of Base form in place without needing a One Greek Goddess per Queenly role to make it happen.Hecate wasn't always considered a triple goddess, though, only in later periods. Within the DF, that might be a clue pointing to Hecate being subsumed into the Queens, or it may not be relevant. Either way, I'm not proposing each Queen being derived from a single Greek source (in fact I think it was several). There were several Greek goddess triads in the maiden/mother/crone style (e.g. Rhea/Demeter/Persephone or Rhea/Hera/Hebe or Clotho/Lachesis/Atropos, and you could throw in Gaia to either of the first two lines to get the promotion style transfer that occurs with the Queens). I'm saying that the absorption of the goddesses could have also absorbed a grudge. If so, the emergence of a grudge in Hastings would be circumstantial evidence of ascending to become Queen.
I said likely. That is just a guess based on the symmetry typically found in the courts.That would actually be really interesting. I do hope we eventually find out more about wha twas going through her mind during all that. I dunno, maybe Sarissa finds her diary or something.
Aldo, Aurora's desire to end mortal suffering could be because Aurora's twin chose humanity and was killed.
Hecate wasn't always considered a triple goddess, though, only in later periods. Within the DF, that might be a clue pointing to Hecate being subsumed into the Queens, or it may not be relevant. Either way, I'm not proposing each Queen being derived from a single Greek source (in fact I think it was several). There were several Greek goddess triads in the maiden/mother/crone style (e.g. Rhea/Demeter/Persephone or Rhea/Hera/Hebe or Clotho/Lachesis/Atropos, and you could throw in Gaia to either of the first two lines to get the promotion style transfer that occurs with the Queens). I'm saying that the absorption of the goddesses could have also absorbed a grudge. If so, the emergence of a grudge in Hastings would be circumstantial evidence of ascending to become Queen.Ah, gotcha
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Random aside:More or less my thought as well. The whole point per Mama Summer is "Power has Purpose" so I have to think that becoming the Gate Guardians came with a whole lot of Power that they didnt have previously (including the ability to Draft the Wyldefae, methinks). Given that the Dragons used to be in charge of the turning of the Seasons of the world, it seems reasonable to me that part of it is a more fundamental connection to mortal Reality.
My impression has always been that there were always a bunch of Faerie Courts, but that Mab/Titania "went corporate" when they took up the Mantle of protecting the Outer Gates, which is why they appear to be so much more powerful than the other Sidhe Courts we've seen (e.g. the one from Curses).
And then there's the WoJ that Hades/Satan is (to paraphrase) "a CEO of a corporation", (maybe when compared to Hades), and I wonder if there's a connection.To clarify, that's a WOJ that both Hades and Satan are similar in that they run their domains in much the same fashioned as a CEO. NOT that they are the same person, correct?
Fact: Mab and Titania aren't the original "Queens" Mab and Titania:
Quote from: 2015 DragonconQuoteI was wondering if Mab was the first Winter Queen?
No. Mab was not the first Mab. Mab was originally Winter Lady, and Lea was her Jenny Greenteeth. She was her sidekick and handmaiden. And so when Mab got promoted Lea did too. So she got to be much more powerful and awesome. But that was a while back. When that happened. And the same thing with Titania. The Winter Queens actually died. The last time things got awful in the wizard world. So things are about to get awful in the wizard world again and they're a bit nervous. They're a bit nervous about Dresden. Well, Titania is very nervous about Dresden. Mab is keeping her enemies close.
I've long embraced the theory that the Winter Court's assumption of Outer Gate duty was concurrent with Mab's ascension.are you referring to the current Mab or the original?
The main question/comment/idea I have relates to this –fwiw, Summer and Winter as courts technically might have predated the ascention to Gate Guardians and the consolidation of Powers that you describe. They'd have simply been another pair of Wyldfae courts without the sort of qualified-supremacy we see now, but they might have been around, and even had a Lady and Queen it not the full triplet-form we see (or all three, who knows). One Clue that always pushed me that way was the fact that Mother Winter is the only Mother Winter ever, but she is also The Queen That Was by definition, thus methinks she had to be a queen of some proto-winter Court that predates the ascension.
When you said, at the beginning are you referring to the current Mab or the original?
The current disposition of the various fae royalty comes from a compilation of a number of older Powers into a single pile which was then divided out into the six-part format we currently see. When is it proposed that this happened and most importantly … why? What use a Mother, Queen and Lady for Summer and Winter, with the level of power and responsibility they currently have, before – possibly long before – they ever took over as Guardians? I’m not sure it fits well.
fwiw, Summer and Winter as courts technically might have predated the ascention to Gate Guardians and the consolidation of Powers that you describe. They'd have simply been another pair of Wyldfae courts without the sort of qualified-supremacy we see now, but they might have been around, and even had a Lady and Queen it not the full triplet-form we see (or all three, who knows). One Clue that always pushed me that way was the fact that Mother Winter is the only Mother Winter ever, but she is also The Queen That Was by definition, thus methinks she had to be a queen of some proto-winter Court that predates the ascension.Seems reasonable except for one thing. The Mother doesn't necessarily have to have been Queen prior to being established in that position. At first inception they needed someone/thing to install in the position. Doesn't mean that person/being was in any position of power/authority that could be called "Queen". Sort of like creating a new kingdom, some guy takes power and calls himself king, - or gets appointed king by his battle companions... doesn't mean he had to be a prince before hand. Nit picky, I understand, but...
Seems reasonable except for one thing. The Mother doesn't necessarily have to have been Queen prior to being established in that position. At first inception they needed someone/thing to install in the position. Doesn't mean that person/being was in any position of power/authority that could be called "Queen". Sort of like creating a new kingdom, some guy takes power and calls himself king, - or gets appointed king by his battle companions... doesn't mean he had to be a prince before hand. Nit picky, I understand, but...
I think you're missing the point--the positions are explicitly referred to as: The Queen that Was, the Queen that Is and the Queen that Will Be. Why would the Mother be the Queen that Was if she never, well, Was? I agree that she doesn't necessarily have to have been Queen to be the original Mother, but this represents an in-universe oddity if there is no explanation for why the Queens are referred to in this way in Summer Knight. There's a qualitative difference between that and the relationship of a Prince to a King in a Kingdom's hierarchy.What CloakedDestiny said. It is specifically the "Queen that Was" bit that seems significant, especially since we are talking about a race that it seems the Universe itself wont allow to Lie.
I think you're missing the point--the positions are explicitly referred to as: The Queen that Was, the Queen that Is and the Queen that Will Be. Why would the Mother be the Queen that Was if she never, well, Was? I agree that she doesn't necessarily have to have been Queen to be the original Mother, but this represents an in-universe oddity if there is no explanation for why the Queens are referred to in this way in Summer Knight. There's a qualitative difference between that and the relationship of a Prince to a King in a Kingdom's hierarchy.True enough, perhaps it was a bad analogy. Think, then of the US. When it was first created Washington became the first President. There were none before him. He wasn't VP and take over later, etc. The requisite to have been Queen before being Mother -- the requirement to have been a Queen before being mother might have been created along with the posts themselves with an exception written in for the post's first occupant.
Given the Names of who we believe some of the previous Powers were who went into making up the Sidhe royalty, perhaps their previous incarnations satisfied the requirement from the getgo somehow, I don't know. I just don't see those level of Powers waiting in the wings for centuries or even millennia after their composition into their current form before they could start doing their Job. That's the sort of Power level that needs to be activated on a high priority basis, not laid on a shelf for umpteen years before being used.Huh? What do you mean by that part?
If the proposal is accurate, though, I have a question...First thing that comes to mind is Hecate. But if we are talking Norse, I propose it would have been Heimdall who just happens to also be the Archangel Rafael, since both are prophesied to Blow a Trumpet to herald the End of Days/Twilight of the Gods/Revelation/Ragnarok/Apocalypse. Who knows, maybe they bled an Archangel's Grace out on the Stone Table.
Since the Nordics were apparently in charge of the Gates, what entity in their group - most particularly assignable as an equivalent of Winter Queen, would have "died" (or some supernatural parallel) to have opened the slot for Mab to fill? Anyone have good candidates among either the classic Nordic pantheon, the Jotan "elites" or some associated group that might been the previous "Queen" Mab took over for?
Titania had twins? As in Aurora had a sister? Who-wha?!? That will be very significant for my prediction-crafting...Is there any WOJ about Aurora having twin ? That would make symmetry of Fae Queens fit better.
Is there any WOJ about Aurora having twin ? That would make symmetry of Fae Queens fit better.Not any that Ive heard about. There is one that Maeve and Sarissa are biological twins, and that Mab and Titania are as well, but that's about it for the family tree (other than the hint that Maeve/Sarissa's dad was an Austrian composer that Died young).
Huh? What do you mean by that part?When Hecate and whoever else were combined to make the current Fae Courts, I don't think the Mothers, Queens and Ladies would have just stood around doing nothing, waiting for their turn at the helm of Guardianship. That much power isn't put into one place for the purpose of letting it sit fallow. I'm thinking that when those positions were created they were put into use immediately. So... if there was a Queen before Mab, and the current Winter Mother is the original, they had to have been in place as Guardians before the current Mab ascended to being Queen, who know for how long.
When Hecate and whoever else were combined to make the current Fae Courts, I don't think the Mothers, Queens and Ladies would have just stood around doing nothing, waiting for their turn at the helm of Guardianship. That much power isn't put into one place for the purpose of letting it sit fallow. I'm thinking that when those positions were created they were put into use immediately. So... if there was a Queen before Mab, and the current Winter Mother is the original, they had to have been in place as Guardians before the current Mab ascended to being Queen, who know for how long.Im still lost...What Time? What Waiting? I thought we were talking about either they (Hecate, etc) consolidating power and Creating the two Maiden/Mother/Crone sets fresh right then, or else giving the consolidated Power a pre-existing, far less powerful "Summer" and "Winter" wyldfae Courts with a freshly minted new Purpose. Im not seeing any circumstance where waiting would even be possible.
Im still lost...What Time? What Waiting? I thought we were talking about either they (Hecate, etc) consolidating power and Creating the two Maiden/Mother/Crone sets fresh right then, or else giving the consolidated Power a pre-existing, far less powerful "Summer" and "Winter" wyldfae Courts with a freshly minted new Purpose. Im not seeing any circumstance where waiting would even be possible.Never mind.
Never mind.
I think the assumption Im making that is causing the disconnect is that when Hecate &Co combined Power to create the Modern courts, the Guardianship itself was part of that mix of Power that got move/reformed. I dont think you could have that tier of Power without it's Purpose going right along with it; they'd be two parts of the same ball ofFollow mostly what I've been trying to get across... that the Powers that made up the Sidhe royalty wouldn't have just stood around doing nothing once they were "created". Combine that with current Mab having been Lady and it shows those Powers were in place before Mab ascended to Queen, and thus were already Guardians prior to Hastings - how much prior we can only guess. The assumption made in the op that Mab's ascension to Queen and the Fae ascension to Guardianship do not have to match, in fact may not be able to match because of the above.waxYarn (ill go with "Ball of Yarn" since the moirai are in there). So, by that assumption at least, there'd be no way for them to become Empowered to current levels without immediately taking up the Guardianship. Does that make sense?
Follow mostly what I've been trying to get across... that the Powers that made up the Sidhe royalty wouldn't have just stood around doing nothing once they were "created". Combine that with current Mab having been Lady and it shows those Powers were in place before Mab ascended to Queen, and thus were already Guardians prior to Hastings - how much prior we can only guess. The assumption made in the op that Mab's ascension to Queen and the Fae ascension to Guardianship do not have to match, in fact may not be able to match because of the above.Ok, Im back on track now, sorry for the derail. I agree with your first sentence. It's the second that I see as unconfirmed at this point, based on the idea that a much weaker version of the Winter Court might have existed prior to their ascendance to Guardianship, meaning that Mab could have potentially been a Lady with a Queen above her once upon a time, and still be the first Queen to be in charge of the Gates. It would mean that the previous queen was far weaker than the current Mab, and that Mab was the Lady of a much weaker Wyldfae court with a coincidentally Winter theme.
How can it be partly Oberon's fault if they haven't spoken since Hastings? Shakespeare is centuries after that. I was wondering about that point too--specifically---they had a love triangle when neither of them were communicating with each other at all!that would imply his indirect knowledge led him to believe the gates lead through to the heart of hell?
The former gatekeeper was the father of the author of Dante's Divine Comedy--Alighiero di Bellincione, as revealed in the most recent RPG book.
that would imply his indirect knowledge led him to believe the gates lead through to the heart of hell?From what I can gather from a wikipedia level research is that Lancelot and the adultery was added in the Le Chevalier de la Charrette (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancelot,_the_Knight_of_the_Cart) which was published exactly 111 years after the battle of Hastings. Oddly round number, that...
Anywho, Hastings... This iirc my mrs Duck... Is also Around the time the Arthurian legend added on the love triangle aspect and the three sisters (sometimes four...) Morgana, morguise and Elaine... Some of which would make great candidates for the current queens... Height of Norse mythos, they could smacked down their war/weather deity?
From what I can gather from a wikipedia level research is that Lancelot and the adultery was added in the Le Chevalier de la Charrette (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancelot,_the_Knight_of_the_Cart) which was published exactly 111 years after the battle of Hastings. Oddly round number, that...faeires believe In the infinity of the number pi :) 111 is 3 times 37?
From what I can gather from a wikipedia level research is that Lancelot and the adultery was added in the Le Chevalier de la Charrette (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancelot,_the_Knight_of_the_Cart) which was published exactly 111 years after the battle of Hastings. Oddly round number, that...
Obviously, "Eleventy-One" is significant because this is the age Biblo is when he passes the One Ring on to Frodo.Obviously:P
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You know, I never actually made that connection. Reuel is basically Tolkien in the Dresdenverse (although the actual Tolkien may be a different guy). Uriel specifically leaves a LOTR book out for Dresden in SmF. If Reuel is actually Tolkien...well, I don't know where to go with that but it's really neat.Maybe that makes LotR the anti-Grimm? As in, Grimm's tales were commissioned by Mab to preserve power for the Fae, but Tolkien's stories shifted a lot of understanding round and away from them (including, most clearly articulated in the books, the Goblins being downgraded to 'meh').
Before the Sidhe Wars"
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Even before my time, but I've heard all kinds of stories. The Daoine Sidhe, the Tuatha, the Fomor, the Tylwyth Teg, the Shen. Epic alliances, epic betrayals, epic battles, epic weddings, epic sex
Also, one of Mother Winter's mantles is definitely the Baba Yaga, who does have iron teeth. And also 2 sisters in some versions. If you look at Vadderung and the things he can/cannot do in each mantle, it is possible that Mother Winter can only wear the iron teeth when she is using that mantle in particular.
You know, I never actually made that connection. Reuel is basically Tolkien in the Dresdenverse (although the actual Tolkien may be a different guy). Uriel specifically leaves a LOTR book out for Dresden in SmF. If Reuel is actually Tolkien...well, I don't know where to go with that but it's really neat.
Which brings me back to my question: if Mab is Mother Winter's actual daughter (as said my Mama Summer in SK), who's the poor dumb sop that got it on with Baba Yaga?Well, Zeus and other Greek deities were both descended from and had babies with pretty monstrous creatures (creating ever more monsters, it seems). One of them, especially Zeus, might fit (though Mab seems a bit young for an active Greek deity).
Which brings me back to my question: if Mab is Mother Winter's actual daughter (as said my Mama Summer in SK), who's the poor dumb sop that got it on with Baba Yaga?
We were told in a WoJ that the current Mab is the second Mab.
At a time of the Roman conquests of Gaul and Britain the Druids were flourishing as the only unifying institution of the Celts... The Druids were largely suppressed, except in Ireland, which the Romans never conqueredok so, the Romans moved on them and suppressed the 'magic folk' but started their own studies into magic at the same time, thereby potentially changing the main traditions of magic used by most practitioners thereafter. But ireland, where Jim has drawn on more directly for Mehb and what not, also the sidhe, literally, people of the mounds originate thereafter in Irish legend. I might reedit some of this later, I don't know right now, cutting it very short here though.
The Druidic practice of human sacrifice may also have encouraged the Romans to suppress the cult... The word Druid is probably related to the Celtic word for oak tree-daur. The oak was in fact sacred to the Druids, as was the mistletoe... Druidic tradition was in par preserved in irish epic for some centuries after its christianization of Ireland and faint echoes in Welsh folklore.
I thought Queen of Air and Darkness was a Morrigan thing?
A noble of Britain. If we go with Mab's title The Queen of Air and Darkness it means that she is originally Morgause from Arthurian myth. Her name changed through the years to Morgause but if you look back at various older stories you might just be able to find the original.
There is potentially some connection due to similar language structure behind the names, but they are not connected in terms of a common mythological source.You may be right in a historic sense, though that whole region is enough of a melting pot that it's hard to say anything for certain about sources, for example there are theories about common mythological roots for Zeus and Odin. That being said, there is a trend toward amalgamation of mythological characters especially in the higher power levels, so I would not at all be surprised to find the DV versions have a more compact circle of character, once we eventually get the reveal one what went down surrounding Arthur.
You may be right in a historic sense, though that whole region is enough of a melting pot that it's hard to say anything for certain about sources, for example there are theories about common mythological roots for Zeus and Odin. That being said, there is a trend toward amalgamation of mythological characters especially in the higher power levels, so I would not at all be surprised to find the DV versions have a more compact circle of character, once we eventually get the reveal one what went down surrounding Arthur.
Well we know Nymphs, Satyrs, and Centaurs are a part of the Sidhe so it's not a stretch to imagine Sirens are as well. It's possible Jenny Greenteeth was a siren who was bumped in power through her actions and association with Maeve.Good point. For that matter, it's always possible that creatures like Sirens were entirely separate entities back in the Homeric heyday, but that they joined/became Fae in much the same way that the Fomor have absorbed non-fae into their midst.
Kind of like Leansidhe with Mab. I think at first she was just a Muse who used her powers to drive men mad and drink their blood. Which impressed Mab so she became her right hand woman.
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The Leansidhe nature seems to conflict with that of Winter - and she seems to be much more Summer-y, since she wears lots of reds and greens and so on.
They're not elementals. They're not divided along the lines of - specifically - of the classical elements. They're more about the elemental portions of the soul, which - okay, that's getting really technical and highfaluting. But the point is, Lea drains people's blood and drinks it, and that was how she made her bones in the fairy world. She's an actual legendary figure, where bards and poets and painters and so on would come to her and seek her inspiration. And she was kind of this vampire-muse - that was the original Leansidhe - that's her original story. And in the DF universe that was how she made her bones, that's how she impressed big Mab. It was like - oh wow - you took these guys who were out there just seeking to create something beautiful and yet increased your dark and evil power - Well done!
Just a little nitpick - Titania said she hadn't spoken to her sister "since well before Hastings", right? Not "since Hastings".Half-right. Before, but not "well before"
“I have not exchanged words with my sister since before Hastings.”
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The only issue I have with Serack's theory is that he supposes that it was Outsiders that put Winter in Charge, or maybe "created" the Sidhe.
I agree the implication was that someone else did it. I'd lean more towards the Dragons than Outsiders. After all we know that Dragons had responsibility for certain aspects of reality at one point. As they were declining, I can totally see them creating the Sidhe with the purpose of defending reality.
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Also, Jim said that Mab had been Queen for about 1000 years. We have NO idea how long she was Lady before that.
Also, also ... Mab and Titania don't necessarily have to be actual sisters as in from the same mother/father. Sister COULD be sister-Queen. It fits with the language.
Can we get a break down of the biological relationships between the various Fae Queens we have seen on screen?
Of particular interest - Maeve and Sarissa, were they actually Mab's kids (biological sense)? If so, who was Mab's baby daddy?
Mab and Titania are actual twin sisters.
Maeve and Sarissa were twin sisters, from Mab. Their father was an Austrian composer and musician who died young.
Wait what? By capitalizing Outsiders, I assume you mean the Outsiders the Outer Gates are intended to keep out... If so, I don't mean that at all and don't know where you got that idea, but would like to know so that I can go back and clarify that portion of the theory...
The Sidhe were created by outside agents for a purpose. (My spin on the below WoJ is that they already existed in some form, and were... appropriated and reshaped to purpose)