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Other Jimness => Cinder Spires Spoilers => Topic started by: Underwood on November 26, 2015, 10:36:09 AM
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I haven't finished the book yet, but when Folly saves them in the tunnels, she refers to the presence as The Enemy. What are the chances that this is the same Enemy from the Dresden Files, or at least related to it? Thoughts?
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From a storytelling perspective, sure. Both are ominous, powerful and ancient (that's a guess for TAW), and serve the same purpose.
From an in universe perspective... i don't think so. There is absolutely no evidence that Butcher's story worlds are interconnected in any way.
As far as we know Alera was it's own universe, as is Dresden Files, as, i suspect, is The Cinder Spires.
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Actually, there is a WoJ about the universes being connect in someways.. About Tavi and Dresden sharing the same bloodline.. If I'm not miss remembering and confusing it with a discussion instead of WoJ...
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Actually, there is a WoJ about the universes being connect in someways.. About Tavi and Dresden sharing the same bloodline.. If I'm not miss remembering and confusing it with a discussion instead of WoJ...
I know there is something about the dresden files and codex alera world connected somehow. But I don't know anyhint about the same bloodline.
I know that codex alera and the dresden files is happening around the same time at least.
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Well, Jim has mentioned Dresden Files is a multiverse.. So, since we have infinite possibilities, it is connected with everything and in one of those universes they share the same bloodline..
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I personally think that Grimm is the member of that unique bloodline.
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Alera and Dresden are connected in that the original settlers from Alera are from earth. They are the lost roman legion
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I just don't see how this world are based on a misplaced human population, it seems to purposeful for that. I think this world has a purpose or mission, but no idea what it would be.
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Personally, I rather hope not... I know fan theories linking wildly different stories by the same maker are all in vogue (pixar universe theory...) but I would prefer if things were simply recurring motifs rather than literal recurring elements in a patchwork nonsense universe. It seems restricting and confusing to think of it this way. But that's just my take.
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Well, shared universes can be used or not at all in the stories. Rarely are the authors who actually crossover character from one series to another, usually are small details you notice, or the really big players/god's that make apparance in both series.
So even if Jim makes it a shared universe for his series, I don't think we are in any danger of seeing Tavi in Dresden's Chicago or see Dresden taking on a mistshark..
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I could see harry developing magic or techniques that mimic fury crafting or etherialists.
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I could see harry developing magic or techniques that mimic fury crafting or etherialists.
I couldn't. Fury crafting reminds me a lot of channeling spells, and harry exclusively does one offs
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Possibly not the active spells, but the fury stone stuff, could be used in his enchantments.
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I know that codex alera and the dresden files is happening around the same time at least.
Alera and Dresden are connected in that the original settlers from Alera are from earth. They are the lost roman legion
I know the WoJ about Dresden and Alera happening at the same time. That comparison was to illustrate Alera's historical development. It did not suggest conneted universes, at least not to me.
Both the Alera and Dresden Storyworlds are fictional versions of our own, yes. But are they the same fictional version? There is nothing to suggest that.
Unless that WoJ about Harry and Tavi sharing a bloodline exists, which i don't know.
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There was a subtle reference to the furies of alera so it makes me think that time might be running differently there or it is further into the future.
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I know the WoJ about Dresden and Alera happening at the same time. That comparison was to illustrate Alera's historical development. It did not suggest conneted universes, at least not to me.
Both the Alera and Dresden Storyworlds are fictional versions of our own, yes. But are they the same fictional version? There is nothing to suggest that.
Unless that WoJ about Harry and Tavi sharing a bloodline exists, which i don't know.
They're part of the cosmere. Well, Jim's version anyways
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They're part of the cosmere. Well, Jim's version anyways
Nah, the Cosmere is a single universe (actually a single solar system for the most part irrc) Jim's book's, if they tie together all meta like that, look like they'd be more of a Multiverse.
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Assuming Tavi is part of a lost Roman legion, it's 2000 years roughly since they got to Alera. That would easily put them at the same time. Dresden being related is a stretch, since the whole legion was swallowed. He'd have to have been related to a family member that wasn't swallowed by the portal 2000 years in advance. Just stretches the imagination.
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Assuming Tavi is part of a lost Roman legion, it's 2000 years roughly since they got to Alera. That would easily put them at the same time. Dresden being related is a stretch, since the whole legion was swallowed. He'd have to have been related to a family member that wasn't swallowed by the portal 2000 years in advance. Just stretches the imagination.
Well, all the knights so far are related to the same king so it's not that hard to believe
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Well, all the knights so far are related to the same king so it's not that hard to believe
I dont think they are. Michael is related to Charlemagne, Sanya to “Salahuddin, King of Syria and Egypt during the Crusades?”, and Shiro "was a direct descendent of the last king of Okinawa." Sure, there are genological theories that like 1/3 of all people alive today are related to Gangis khan or whatever, but so far they all have closer and more specific relations. Granted, we dont know what relation Murphy or Butters have, and the closest one we can confirm with Susan is technically the Red King himself (if Vampire bloodlines count)
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Harry and Tavi are said to be part of the same bloodline, not necessarily descended from the same person. That heritage bestows something important. Like how Constantine had a heritage that allowed him to face epic level magical threats.
It is not the cops are but local multiversal region, I would say it would be akin to the else where's of the dc multiverse. But instead of based on the same world, the else where's are are different what ifs while these are entirely new worlds.
Harry has said the never never potentially allows access to alien worlds, so those different worlds could potentially be in the same universe. Nothing we have seen has definitely made it know that these are differing worlds, just that these humans are no longer on earth, and their magics have gone another path.
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It is not the cops are but local multiversal region, I would say it would be akin to the else where's of the dc multiverse. But instead of based on the same world, the else where's are are different what ifs while these are entirely new worlds.
These are words, and they are clearly English, but I cant for the life of me figure out the idea you were trying to convey with it :-[
Harry has said the never never potentially allows access to alien worlds, so those different worlds could potentially be in the same universe. Nothing we have seen has definitely made it know that these are differing worlds, just that these humans are no longer on earth, and their magics have gone another path.
Not alien worlds, just far reaches of NN. Per WOJ you cant get much further than the Moon via the NN, and it HARD to get that far. Here's that WOJ, there's also another that Im having difficulty locating where he went into more detail about how Harry's particular universe is very Earth-centric, so that's kind of it's reality bubble (my interpretations) but that other universes that are less Human-centric might have more stuff/races/worlds out in the galaxy.
My question “Could you use the NeverNever to travel to other planets like Mars for example?”
You can’t get much farther out than the moon, in terms of moving through normal space–and it’s /hard/ to get that far.
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That would suggest that these other worlds are beyond the outer gates, as I doubt humans can survive long term in the never never.
We know the attacks on the gates vary, could the humans that established those world got there during down times.
I thinks cops is Cosmere auto corrected somehow.
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That would suggest that these other worlds are beyond the outer gates, as I doubt humans can survive long term in the never never.
We know the attacks on the gates vary, could the humans that established those world got there during down times.
I thinks cops is Cosmere auto corrected somehow.
I dont think they are Beyond the Outer Gates, just infinite branching layers of Inside; parallel worlds but still within that boundary (or in possession of it's own equivalent boundary, depending on the true nature of the Gates)
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I wonder if these new gates are sall gates equivalents.
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Unless that WoJ about Harry and Tavi sharing a bloodline exists, which i don't know.
The WOJ in question was that a fan asked if there was a shared bloodline, and Jim gave a really sarcastic denial along the lines of "I'd neeevveerr do something like thaaat".
So it's not admitted to, but he was definitely winking at the possibility.
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Dresden being related is a stretch, since the whole legion was swallowed. He'd have to have been related to a family member that wasn't swallowed by the portal 2000 years in advance. Just stretches the imagination.
Not necessarily that much of a stretch. The 9'th legion disappeared from Britain roughly contemporaneous with some of the feats attributed to the original Merlin; he could easily have lost a parent, child or sibling among its numbers. And many fans suspect the chain of mentor-pupil relationships linking Merlin to Ebenezar McCoy consists of wizards training their own offspring.
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this thread reminded me of a series by Harry Turtledove... the Videssos Cycle, is anyone on here familiar with it? it's based on the 'mis-placed legion'
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I'm not but it sounds like some of the inspiration for the bet that led to CA.
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I know it's an old thread but, just now getting to read the book. I'm not done with it yet. It seems to me like this book isn't its own parallel universe. It seems to me that this is post apocalyptic Alera. It was alluded to in the final Alera book that it would take the queen in the Canine territory about a century or so to reproduce enough for an invasion. In that time Tavi or a descendant would have made plans for the future. Most likely building up towards the skies made the most sense and maybe, the spiders couldn't live at such altitudes until recently. Perhaps the queen evolved or her offspring evolved to tolerate the altitude and light. Their technology and the way of harvesting powers would change too, if the spiders ended up taking over their world. Yes I know there is still soil but that's not to mean there isn't also croach. I'm hoping they'll do an expedition to the ground. Find ruins of Ancient Alera...The Builders. As I recall Tavi had a mind for architecture and other means to build something that will last without powers or magic. I'm also wondering if Ferus is actually Fidelias somehow. I'm guessing that the queen (I'm referring to Cavendish) is the one from the Canine country as she seemed the next, most human. Or more, she longed to feel a bit human because she displayed jealousy at her mother's "flaws". Plus she's stickler for manners which the original queen was as well. To feel more human. It seems to me that the cats and her servant were just taken and replaced as before. Just saying, it seems like a possible theory. Thanks for letting me ramble.