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Title: The Index
Post by: Agravaine on October 05, 2015, 05:47:23 PM
So, the book that Cavendish was after, and attempted to destroy was referred to as the "Index" by Brother Vincent and is described as being full of "Names."  Apparently, Cavendish and those who control her seek to use this book and the knowledge in the book to coerce the Angels out of Heaven where they can be destroyed somehow. 

Two questions:

(1) Why destroy the other copies of the books?
(2) Why give the book back to the Albians?

Stealing the book makes sense -- now she and her supporters have the book and its knowledge.
Destroying the other copies of the book also makes sense -- Albia no longer has the knowledge and Albia cannot use the book somehow to thwart her plans.

BUT, by giving it back to Grimm (she does not know about his copy of the Book) she gives them a weapon to thwart her AND draws attention to the fact that the Book is that important. 

Further, couldn't Cavendish just gone in there herself and read the book? At least no one would have known its importance.  Or, would her need for courtesy prevent her from taking direct action against the Brothers of the Way herself?  Why else get 500 Auroran Marines to assist?   
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Second Aristh on October 05, 2015, 06:59:44 PM
Are we certain that Cavendish was the one to destroy all the other books?

As far as returning the book, Cavendish lost the battle of not drawing attention to the books importance as soon as Grimm asked for the book.  But by returning it, they might not realize that Cavendish has memorized it already.  Also, the group had to basically be invited to see the library, so it might not have been an option for Cavendish to quietly read the book, especially if her rules of politeness come into affect somehow.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Paladino on October 05, 2015, 07:24:36 PM
Destroying the book risked pissing Grimm off enough that he would not later release her or simply kill her (you got take in consideration she didn't know the rescue was coming). And if he killed her after she destroyed the last copy of the book (as far as she knew), the knowledge would be lost forever, she couldn't take that risk. As long as the book existed in Albion they could try to recover it again, even if she never managed to get out with the knowledge she memorized.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: raidem on October 05, 2015, 07:28:42 PM
Cavendish and her troops were responsible for the attack on the temple and library.

I actually wonder if the libraries soul escaped. 
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: WonderandAwe on October 05, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
Cavendish and her troops were responsible for the attack on the temple and library.

I actually wonder if the libraries soul escaped.

Am I bad if the burning library scene was one of the most difficult to read of any scene that Jim Butcher has written?
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Dannyboy on October 06, 2015, 03:41:16 AM
Am I for hoping that an Orangutan was swinging into shelves unknown with an important volume or two?

Missing Terry Pratchett
Danny
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Phariah on October 07, 2015, 06:39:29 PM
they destroyed all copies of the Index in the Library. the Monk seen what they were doing and saved one copy. she memorized it and gave up her copy in order to have a chance at continuing her mission. while they retrieved the Index they still do not know what the enemy was seeking in it. so they gained some ground but are not on point with the enemy.

what I am curious about is that the Index is a list of names. but for what reason? listing a geneology? find out the past of someone or track down an ancient line for a link to something? maybe a device that is locked in a certain way needs a bloodline to control? something to do w/ the Archangels? something to do w/ core crystals? so many choices imho.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Mith on October 08, 2015, 12:12:35 AM
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Am I for hoping that an Orangutan was swinging into shelves unknown with an important volume or two?

Missing Terry Pratchett
Danny

If he went unseen by all others there, then he might have well have been there.  But L-Space would hold those books anyways, I believe.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: raidem on October 08, 2015, 10:42:53 PM
I actually wonder if there is some commonality in the names in that book and some of the entities within Dresden Files, whether consigned to oblivion, demonreach or whatever.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Snark Knight on October 12, 2015, 02:08:43 AM
Basic hypothesis? The Index was the Library's catalog, and the 'frozen souls' left behind in written works can be accessed and controlled through the authors' names. The Wayist monks probably had one of the largest libraries in the world, and hence their catalog would be one of the bigger bites of power available.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Dina on October 12, 2015, 04:28:00 AM
I have 2 theories about the names. One, they are angels' names. Two, they are the names of dead people who are special for some reason, perhaps warriors or wayists long gone. I think the Names gave them the power to summon the entities. Cavendish mentions them to feel safe in Heaven, so I guess it's something that allows to take souls from Heaven itself
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on October 12, 2015, 03:31:31 PM
So, the book that Cavendish was after, and attempted to destroy was referred to as the "Index" by Brother Vincent and is described as being full of "Names."  Apparently, Cavendish and those who control her seek to use this book and the knowledge in the book to coerce the Angels out of Heaven where they can be destroyed somehow. 

Two questions:

(1) Why destroy the other copies of the books?
(2) Why give the book back to the Albians?

Stealing the book makes sense -- now she and her supporters have the book and its knowledge.
Destroying the other copies of the book also makes sense -- Albia no longer has the knowledge and Albia cannot use the book somehow to thwart her plans.

BUT, by giving it back to Grimm (she does not know about his copy of the Book) she gives them a weapon to thwart her AND draws attention to the fact that the Book is that important. 

Further, couldn't Cavendish just gone in there herself and read the book? At least no one would have known its importance.  Or, would her need for courtesy prevent her from taking direct action against the Brothers of the Way herself?  Why else get 500 Auroran Marines to assist?
The Spirearch recognized the Index immediately, so it's not buried treasure in the sense of being unknown to the residents.  Thus I'd assume it was kept in a secure section of the library and was not available for public perusal. 

It seems that her primary Goal was to get The Index, with depriving the others of it as a secondary goal.    Sinec they already had it (several copies) and may well have had others in other secret locations, that secondary goal isnt worth risking the primary. 



Regarding it's prupose, Im thinking either:
A)it's an index of the Bloodlines of the Spires, which can be used to reveal individuals with buried genetic potentials, such as Warrior-born, Ehterealist, at perhaps even something more we havent been introduced to (Crystal-friend like Grimm, "Whole" Etherist like Folly, etc).

or

B)it's an index of Builder Technology, or Builder Installations/caches, or Builder Doomsday weapons, or some such along those lines. 
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: raidem on October 13, 2015, 08:07:42 PM
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Basic hypothesis? The Index was the Library's catalog, and the 'frozen souls' left behind in written works can be accessed and controlled through the authors' names. The Wayist monks probably had one of the largest libraries in the world, and hence their catalog would be one of the bigger bites of power available.

I like the above. 
What I wonder about is if Cavendish at times is more puppet controlled than at other times.  We know that Folly caught one of the messages between Master and Cavendish, I wonder if Folly will be able to interrupt the Enemies control at times.  I then also wonder if Cavendish deliberately spread the books out for the Aurorans to copy as a means to act against the Enemy in one of her not puppeted moments.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on October 13, 2015, 08:10:54 PM
Basic hypothesis? The Index was the Library's catalog, and the 'frozen souls' left behind in written works can be accessed and controlled through the authors' names. The Wayist monks probably had one of the largest libraries in the world, and hence their catalog would be one of the bigger bites of power available.
If that were the case then Burning the library to the ground would have been the last thing they'd want to do, as it would destroy the very cache of power that makes The Index valuable in the first place.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: jb3435 on October 21, 2015, 01:48:12 PM
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B)it's an index of Builder Technology, or Builder Installations/caches, or Builder Doomsday weapons, or some such along those lines. 

this makes me think of the crystal ships from the vision at the end
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: WonderandAwe on October 21, 2015, 02:49:00 PM
Index is user names and passwords for the Builder's Hidden Technology.

This is why you don't write down you passwords!   Crazy people in the future will use them for their own means. 

/Crazy Ass Theory
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: fish321 on October 21, 2015, 06:30:12 PM
I'm running with the train of thought that much like the Dresden universe all the gods are real. In the breaking of the world the ones who needed a way to survive poured some part of themself into the crystals. Somehow their power or sentience was put into something like a cryogenic state. The Index are their Names, as well as the names of supernatural figures who are still in heaven doing.....something. This ties into the burning ships because when the enemy uses their True Names it pulls them from the crystal one state in a burst of power.

Or something similar. I think part of this idea comes from reading a Raymond E Feist novel where 7 or so gods turned themselves and all the magic of their world into crystalline form. It could also be looked at like making a mantle of sorts in Dresden universe just with the beings sentience being a part of it. I haven't fleshed it all out yet and it's definitely a wag but I'll keep working on it and attempting to sway you all until I'm proven wrong, which will likely be easy.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Shodan on October 22, 2015, 05:07:13 PM

I think the index was a list of all of the known 'mages' like Folly and her master. 

The big bad that folly confronted in her dream attempted to control her and failed.  but Cavendish was probably ordered to obtain the list so her master could then go make puppets of them all.  Burning the list was probably preferable so they could not go try and protect them all.

Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on October 22, 2015, 09:27:33 PM
I think the index was a list of all of the known 'mages' like Folly and her master. 

The big bad that folly confronted in her dream attempted to control her and failed.  but Cavendish was probably ordered to obtain the list so her master could then go make puppets of them all.  Burning the list was probably preferable so they could not go try and protect them all.
I dont think it's that new, not something that gets maintained and updated.  Then it wouldnt be the book that is valuable, but rather teh organization that is maintaining it.  But I was thinking similarly; Im guessing it's an Index of Bloodlines and will detail the initial Warriorborn and the initial Etherealists, whom I think may both be the result of genetic manipulation. 
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Brightbane on October 24, 2015, 08:09:09 AM
What if every spire has a security system and the index is a book that holds the codes to activate it?

They could kill everyone in the spire with that if there were inactive turrets they could turn on
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on October 26, 2015, 03:49:20 PM
What if every spire has a security system and the index is a book that holds the codes to activate it?

They could kill everyone in the spire with that if there were inactive turrets they could turn on
The Spirearch said is contained "Names" Im not sure how that would translate to activation codes, but it could work I suppose.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Brightbane on October 26, 2015, 05:35:13 PM
The Spirearch said is contained "Names" Im not sure how that would translate to activation codes, but it could work I suppose.
Usernames and passwords.

Quote from: The index
Admin/Admin
User/Password123
AndersonJ/NeoBluepill
You know, something like that
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Mith on October 26, 2015, 05:44:55 PM
Swordfish.  The password is always Swordfish.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: mikejramsey on October 28, 2015, 09:35:08 PM
I am with #17.  While reading it my thought went to a list of Etherists.  They are powerful defenders of the Spire and perhaps are especially deadly to Cavendish's master(s).  If I was the Spirearch I would want to keep a force of Etherists around.  I would want to hide their numbers and identities (make my enemy uncertain as to the forces that they face and to protect those Etherist from assassination/co-option). Perhaps brother Vincent and the Brothers of the Way have a role in training them. 

But Jim Butcher is a really good writer and I would not be surprised if it turns out to be something that we can't guess.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on October 28, 2015, 10:20:20 PM
The Etherealists are all part of ancient bloodlines that crossed with The Enemy (which is where they get their innate Etheric abilities)?
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on November 22, 2015, 05:39:11 AM
I wonder how Albion was the place that multiple copies of this book was there. If it was such a priority to obtain, there must be other copies in other spires. It would be easie to get than enemy territory. Sure they wanted to destroy every copy there, so why not take them with you. That way Albion has none, while they have many. With the destruction of the library, and death of its keepers, no one could say it survived.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Dina on November 22, 2015, 05:46:44 AM
I wondered if there were no other copies in the other Wayist temples (I mean, in the other spires)
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on November 22, 2015, 09:43:43 PM
Wayist might become some kind of ally against the big bad, not sure about the enemy spire.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on November 23, 2015, 02:25:26 PM
Wayist might become some kind of ally against the big bad, not sure about the enemy spire.
Entirely possible, it's a common pattern. 

But I wonder if it's as simple as they are the one's in Albion that are most concerned with preserving knowledge.  Their operation was largely about transcription and preservation, reminiscent of the christian monasteries during the Dark Ages.  Once we see another culturally distinct Spire, we may find something else taking that role, a University perhaps?
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Dina on November 23, 2015, 08:03:36 PM
eh...why not the same Wayists?
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on November 23, 2015, 11:17:05 PM
eh...why not the same Wayists?
eh...why should it be the same Wayists?  ( ;))

For the simple sake of cultural diversity, Id enjoy seeing different agencies taking up the role of Preserver of Knowledge in the different Spires.  If there is a specific plot reason for the Wayist's to be the sole organization that gives a damn, then that's fine.  But if it's just another bit of Setting, I'd enjoy seeing more divergent cultures in each of the Spires. 
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Dina on November 23, 2015, 11:46:34 PM
I agree there could be other organizations that preserve knowledge, but Wayists in every spire should be doing it too.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on November 24, 2015, 04:31:23 AM
Say wayists have a temple and library in every spire, why would they have not shared such an ancient book with other spires before? And this spire had multiple copies, do we know if the printing press has been made yet. If books are so rare, they might not. So this spire might be where the book was first written.
 Each temple in each spire, likely to have the collective knowledge of that specific spire. I bet that it is possible that every book written publicly and many private ones were in the library.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Dina on November 24, 2015, 04:48:41 AM
Well, that was why I wondering.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on November 24, 2015, 01:38:08 PM
I agree there could be other organizations that preserve knowledge, but Wayists in every spire should be doing it too.
Agreed, but do we know that they are present?  I dont recall if they mentioned other temples or referred to that one as one of many. 

The Library/Collection was introduced as The Great Library of Spire Albion, which at least tries to make is sound unique, in a Seven Wonders of the World sort of way.  In fact, as of now that is what I hope it is: one of the Seven Wonders of the Spire World (the spiritual successor to the Library of Alexandria).

Say wayists have a temple and library in every spire, why would they have not shared such an ancient book with other spires before? And this spire had multiple copies, do we know if the printing press has been made yet. If books are so rare, they might not. So this spire might be where the book was first written.
 Each temple in each spire, likely to have the collective knowledge of that specific spire. I bet that it is possible that every book written publicly and many private ones were in the library.
Interesting thought.  The printing press is historically important because it brought down the unit price of books and made literacy accessible to the masses.  But that was because the cost was labor-related; what if the material cost is the prohibitive factor? Paper and otehr wood products are and will always be crazy expensive, so it might not catch on.  On the other hand, the way you apparently have to strip leather off the meat slabs periodically to keep them growing would mean they'd have a glut of parchment and Vellum.  Though they call it paper, I think, so it could be actual plant pulp/paper. 

I dont think they actually have the printing press (at least not in Albion) since the monks had set up their preservation efforts by copying volumes by hand. 
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Dina on November 24, 2015, 02:20:41 PM
Agreed, but do we know that they are present?  I dont recall if they mentioned other temples or referred to that one as one of many. 

Brother Vincent said they cannot mix with the war between spires and one of the reasons is that they are neutral Wayists in Spire Aurora. Or at least, that is what I remember, I can be wrong.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on November 24, 2015, 02:53:10 PM
Brother Vincent said they cannot mix with the war between spires and one of the reasons is that they are neutral Wayists in Spire Aurora. Or at least, that is what I remember, I can be wrong.
That rings a bell...  I need to reread those passages again.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on November 25, 2015, 05:01:22 AM
It seemed to me that burning the temple was a message to the organization. Or at least one faction in their order.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on November 30, 2015, 03:33:19 PM
It seemed to me that burning the temple was a message to the organization. Or at least one faction in their order.
Likely that too.  I imagine it had several goals, Some for Aurora, Some for Cavendish, some for The Enemy
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on November 30, 2015, 06:34:45 PM
What do the other spires view the wayists? They might not be that invested in a conflict between these two spires, but would disapprove or be against a spire that wipes out a wayist temple, even if they follow God in heaven.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on November 30, 2015, 06:37:36 PM
What do the other spires view the wayists? They might not be that invested in a conflict between these two spires, but would disapprove or be against a spire that wipes out a wayist temple, even if they follow God in heaven.
Excellent question. 
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on December 01, 2015, 09:36:23 PM
The fact they are using mist spiders as weapons will worry spires as they are barely controlled, and dangerous to everyone. It would be similar if an a nation had a known weapon of mass destruction program, specificity biological weaponry.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on December 01, 2015, 09:59:12 PM
The fact they are using mist spiders as weapons will worry spires as they are barely controlled, and dangerous to everyone. It would be similar if an a nation had a known weapon of mass destruction program, specificity biological weaponry.
Well, that was Cavendish who is technically an Albion native (Albionian?  Albionite?).  I think it might be more analogous to a particular nation that was caught working with a corporate-backed terrorist group that was known to specialize in exotic weaponry (Maybe analogous to Red Mercury, as something multiple sides chased but could not achieve).  It's troubling in a diplomatic sense, but they'd know (if they listen to Folly) that the Auroran's themselves do not posses that capability. 
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on December 02, 2015, 08:35:08 PM
The fact they were willing to use them, has to worrying by itself.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on December 02, 2015, 09:37:44 PM
The fact they were willing to use them, has to worrying by itself.
Was there anything confirming that anyone outside of the infiltration crew knew about them?  It wasnt a critical part of the plan, the Auroran Command could conceivably not know about that part depending on how much actual contact they had with Cavendish, and how much of her wider plans she revealed to them.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on December 03, 2015, 10:43:59 PM
An index is useful as it show where info about a specific name is located in a page, book or section. But she seemed so much more focused on the names, what if it show which name was specificly linked to which available piece of lore, so knowing who is responsible for what. That is specific information needed to solve issues.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on December 03, 2015, 11:55:10 PM
An index is useful as it show where info about a specific name is located in a page, book or section. But she seemed so much more focused on the names, what if it show which name was specificly linked to which available piece of lore, so knowing who is responsible for what. That is specific information needed to solve issues.
Hmmm, What if the Warriorborn Half-souled arent actually the only example of genetic manipulation floating around?  What if that is simply the most common and most obvious? 
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on December 04, 2015, 11:25:54 PM
The question is are they the result of a unique heritage, or magical tansformation.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on December 05, 2015, 08:32:43 PM
The question is are they the result of a unique heritage, or magical tansformation.
Good point.  With the Half-souled I was originally assuming a lost form of genetic manipulation by The Builders.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on December 07, 2015, 10:35:48 PM
I wonder if half souled means they are only half way through their transformation, similar to the semi rcv. I always thought the Wcv were only partially transformed, so the Warriors could be something similar.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on December 08, 2015, 03:54:23 PM
I wonder if half souled means they are only half way through their transformation, similar to the semi rcv. I always thought the Wcv were only partially transformed, so the Warriors could be something similar.
Well, keep in mind that Half-souled is exclusively the Cat term for them, and I hesitate to credit the cats for possessing any kind of secret knowledge regarding that.  At least until we find out more details of why they can talk now
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on December 09, 2015, 03:22:47 AM
What if the cats sense the Warriors are somehow incomplete?
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on December 09, 2015, 03:43:03 PM
What if the cats sense the Warriors are somehow incomplete?
Well, i suppose it's possible.  Though a race that does battle by studiously ignoring each other does not, to my mind, get high marks for subtle perceptiveness :P
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on December 10, 2015, 06:22:07 AM
That would be a social awareness not sensory awareness.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Quantus on December 10, 2015, 01:48:02 PM
That would be a social awareness not sensory awareness.
True, though one often masquerades as the other  :P
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Dashkull on December 22, 2015, 09:59:26 AM
Something else to consider is that the power contained in the book must not be something obvious or something particularly useful to a common reader. Otherwise, Cavendish would never ask basic Marines to make copies of the book after she attained it.

My first thought was some kind of lineage thing. I kinda like the idea of it relating to the builders and/or their decedents somehow.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: knnn on December 22, 2015, 02:08:36 PM
One thing to remember is that the amount information that Cavendish was looking for was large.  It's not merely about a few names (that could easily be copied down).  She essentially memorized the entire book.

I think this implies that the importance of the information comes from the set of names as a whole (e.g. for statistical information?), than about a few important individuals.  Either that, or Cavendish still doesn't know which names are important.

It might be about bloodlines if the "names" refer to actual people, but I'm not convinced we can make that assertion yet.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on December 23, 2015, 01:32:07 AM
It might not just be the names, but their associated references.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: skybluemonk on January 24, 2016, 09:38:48 PM
my thoughts
Its a Wayist Document and they are independent of spires. If the book was not a public document it can be assumed it contained information the Wayist and /or some other power/organisation wanted kept secret/. Its existence would have been suspected and maybe its nature but not the contents. For example the Spirearch does not seem surprised when given 2 copies and recognises its importance. As far as we know Ferus showed no interest in it yet Cavandish did so  its not necessarily something central to an etherealist. So means to an ends rather than having any power in itself and Cavandish was securing it for the Aurorans or for her Master. Its value it seems is in the content remaining secret  now its in Cavandish's memory and in her physical copy the actual book she had is irrelevant. That Albion has it is of no concern. Also of interest given that she has memorised it she does need a physical copy. In her memory it would make her more important but she cant risk that or she wont defy orders to provide a physical copy.
Content is names clearly burning the copies is an attempt to delay the knowledge of the content from being known to others but not an absolute necessity or Cavendish would have destroyed her copy when memorised. The burning of the Monastery is a definite primary  target of the incursion of the marines sending a message to others and acquiring the Index. Destroying copies useful but as subsequent actions of hers shows not absolutely essential.She wants more copies in her control as she orders for Marines to make copies. She is not worried about the marines seeing or knowing the names. Either because she is planning to kill them  or because the names as such are meaningless to them. Some other knowledge or context is needed to make sense of the names. The index is some link in a chain. That the Spirearch doesn't open to read suggests he knows this is not immediate knowledge he needs or not immediately available to him simply by reading.
Names can be of things and of people. Which, really we have no clue and can be of both ie names of Spires and of people in them.  From the  mass of pages on her table  on to which Cavendish was  copying her memory  the index was a book of some size and therefore a large number of names
By the way we only have Cavendish's statement that it contains names, is that all it contains, is she lying?
"An index is an indirect shortcut derived from and pointing into a greater volume of values, data, information or knowledge"
That its called an index  suggests the latter part  shortcut to information or knowledge. Names of other books people who hold knowledge or where it can be found. There is a suggestion of secret knowledge and not much of a stretch to associate that with the Builders and what will unfold as a race to its discovery.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: Fedd on January 31, 2016, 02:24:22 PM
One thing to remember is that the amount information that Cavendish was looking for was large.  It's not merely about a few names (that could easily be copied down).  She essentially memorized the entire book.

I think this implies that the importance of the information comes from the set of names as a whole (e.g. for statistical information?), than about a few important individuals.  Either that, or Cavendish still doesn't know which names are important.

It might be about bloodlines if the "names" refer to actual people, but I'm not convinced we can make that assertion yet.

Maybe they are Names in the Name of the Wind sense.
Title: Re: The Index
Post by: SpoonR on February 20, 2016, 10:20:39 PM
It's an Index. So, where is the book (or library) it is an index for? Say, a book of "summoning spells" - this book gives the names and pronunciation, the other book tells you what to do with the names. If Albion doesn't know about book#2, then the Index would seem like just a 'list of the names of god'.

The other historical index I can think of is the index of forbidden books. Though I don't think the Spierarch would be calm about someone creating all this mess to get a list of the evuls.

Also, I thought the warriors were halfbloods because they are "half" cat. Cat eyes, coughing roar, high body temperature, etc etc. The cats are either being metaphorical or they actually were the source of some warrior DNA.