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Title: Core Crystals...
Post by: dimumurray on September 30, 2015, 09:19:00 PM
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Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Quantus on September 30, 2015, 09:55:22 PM
Petrified Furies...
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Post by: cass on September 30, 2015, 10:11:04 PM
There were definitely times when I had to stop and remind myself that this was NOT the two-or-three centuries later, steampunk-y revisitation of Alera. At least, I don't *think* it is....

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Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Quantus on September 30, 2015, 10:24:43 PM
Keep in mind that
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Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: dimumurray on October 01, 2015, 12:38:48 AM
There were definitely times when I had to stop and remind myself that this was NOT the two-or-three centuries later, steampunk-y revisitation of Alera. At least, I don't *think* it is....

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Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: raidem on October 01, 2015, 12:41:00 AM
I like that Folly began to ask Grimm direct questions when on the ship.  Its like Grimm, while on the ship, counts as a crystal.  :)
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: cass on October 01, 2015, 02:31:02 AM
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OK, going back through to get all the info on the Predator's crystals as I can before I have to return the book :(
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Post by: TheSpazMan on October 01, 2015, 07:21:06 AM
OK, going back through to get all the info on the Predator's crystals as I can before I have to return the book :(
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Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Serack on October 01, 2015, 09:55:00 AM
I like that Folly began to ask Grimm direct questions when on the ship.  Its like Grimm, while on the ship, counts as a crystal.  :)

Ooooooo nice.  I don't remember noticing that.
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Serack on October 01, 2015, 10:01:00 AM
OK, going back through to get all the info on the Predator's crystals as I can before I have to return the book :(
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I think a lot of the difference between Ferus' interaction and Folly's interaction with the ship is attributable to experience interacting with ships.
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Quantus on October 01, 2015, 12:29:22 PM
I think a lot of the difference between Ferus' interaction and Folly's interaction with the ship is attributable to experience interacting with ships.
And possibly experience in general.  Between the two events Cass noted she had a particular fight and achieved a new milestone in her training/development.  This achievement may or may not have been directly involved in the communication matter, but it does illustrate that her capabilities are a dynamic thing.  Perhaps she couldnt notice before, or couldnt BE noticed before, because she (folly) hadnt leveled up enough yet. 
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Brightbane on October 01, 2015, 03:01:32 PM
There was another difference. Grimm was not on the ship when Folly's master was talking to it. That might account for the difference between how it reacted. Grimm could be a key part of the soul of the ship
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Quantus on October 01, 2015, 03:21:14 PM
There was another difference. Grimm was not on the ship when Folly's master was talking to it. That might account for the difference between how it reacted. Grimm could be a key part of the soul of the ship
I like that notion.
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Phariah on October 01, 2015, 07:30:57 PM
yeah I do not believe it is the crystal in of itself. they changed out the core crystal yet she is the same I am guessing in personality from how she talks to Folly. i cannot get a solid guess but i am thinking it might be the ship itself when has the personality and gains awareness/ life of some type when it gains a crystal to spark it and reacts w/ the Capt & crew.

if it was just the crystal the personality/ awareness should be totally different than after it was changed.
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: raidem on October 01, 2015, 07:33:44 PM
The core crystal wasn't changed.
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Quantus on October 01, 2015, 07:48:46 PM
yeah I do not believe it is the crystal in of itself. they changed out the core crystal yet she is the same I am guessing in personality from how she talks to Folly. i cannot get a solid guess but i am thinking it might be the ship itself when has the personality and gains awareness/ life of some type when it gains a crystal to spark it and reacts w/ the Capt & crew.

if it was just the crystal the personality/ awareness should be totally different than after it was changed.
The core crystal wasnt changed, it was the main Lift Crystal and the various Trim Crystals.  The Core Crystal is the main Power supply for the rest.  I recall in that scene they mentioned how the new more efficient Lift Crystal would let them devote far less of the Core Crystal's capacity than they had rpevisouly, so that it left more for shield and weapon systems.
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Phariah on October 01, 2015, 08:03:46 PM
The core crystal wasnt changed, it was the main Lift Crystal and the various Trim Crystals.  The Core Crystal is the main Power supply for the rest.  I recall in that scene they mentioned how the new more efficient Lift Crystal would let them devote far less of the Core Crystal's capacity than they had rpevisouly, so that it left more for shield and weapon systems.
damn yeah my bad. misremembered that last crystal as a core replacement ty for correcting me. damn so than yes it is the core than. gotta rethink this than. damn.  ??? :-X
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Brightbane on October 01, 2015, 10:33:00 PM
I like that Folly began to ask Grimm direct questions when on the ship.  Its like Grimm, while on the ship, counts as a crystal.  :)
I think this ties into my previous comment about how the ship's soul is only active (or only fully active) when Grimm is present.

She could talk to him because he was a part of the ship at that moment, and she only has trouble talking to people (and cats if I'm remembering right, but I read the book quickly and can't quite recall her interactions with Rowl)
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Quantus on October 02, 2015, 12:52:31 PM
I think this ties into my previous comment about how the ship's soul is only active (or only fully active) when Grimm is present.

She could talk to him because he was a part of the ship at that moment, and she only has trouble talking to people (and cats if I'm remembering right, but I read the book quickly and can't quite recall her interactions with Rowl)
I love that idea, and her whoel eye contact with him thing might lean that way.  To be fair, another explanation (that is less fun) is that Predator wasnt talking before because it's crystal systems were still severely damaged, so she may not have "woken up" enough until she got her new trim and lift crystals installed. 
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: dimumurray on October 03, 2015, 06:13:59 AM
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Post by: Phariah on October 03, 2015, 11:32:20 AM
I do not believe it was wanted more so than others. Grimm specifically states that it is for stockpiling of them. that they are wanted in general.
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Quantus on October 05, 2015, 01:01:37 PM
I do not believe it was wanted more so than others. Grimm specifically states that it is for stockpiling of them. that they are wanted in general.

I imagine any and all surviving First Generation Core's are basically worth killing and dying for, from what I gathered. 
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: dspringer1 on October 06, 2015, 12:07:27 AM
The books were alive because of the thoughts of the authors poured into them.    The flyers in the book also seemed to have a very close emotional connection to their ships, especially the captain.  This lends the possibility that the ships gain "soul" from their crew -- and the ships with the longest crews and most devoted crews would thus have the most "life".

that in turn argues that famous ships are more dangerous for more reasons than elite crew. They ship itself might be more capable because it is more alive.   
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: cass on October 06, 2015, 12:12:06 AM
Hmm. Raises some questions about the Itasca-- a ship that has been considered an elite appointment, one that is known to be very, very powerful.  I imagine the crew would have quite a bit of loyalty to that ship, which would feed into the core crystal, which would make it more likely to be successful, which would inspire more loyalty...yay for feedback loops!
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Quantus on October 07, 2015, 06:08:02 PM
Hmm. Raises some questions about the Itasca-- a ship that has been considered an elite appointment, one that is known to be very, very powerful.  I imagine the crew would have quite a bit of loyalty to that ship, which would feed into the core crystal, which would make it more likely to be successful, which would inspire more loyalty...yay for feedback loops!
Aha, but would the fact that Itasca has Three Core Crystals make it more or less prone to developing such a personality (assuming it's not unique to First Gen Cores)?
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Phariah on October 07, 2015, 06:42:25 PM
the thing I am curious about is does the personality develop because of the ship or is it present upon creation and comes forward because of the life and crew on the ship. as to the multiple crystals could they all develop personalities and function as a group or does one come forth as a dominate?
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Quantus on October 07, 2015, 07:03:08 PM
the thing I am curious about is does the personality develop because of the ship or is it present upon creation and comes forward because of the life and crew on the ship. as to the multiple crystals could they all develop personalities and function as a group or does one come forth as a dominate?
The book's only been out a week and already we are asking the Nature vs Nurture question regarding an Airship?   ;)
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Phariah on October 07, 2015, 11:08:10 PM
The book's only been out a week and already we are asking the Nature vs Nurture question regarding an Airship?   ;)
lol damn ::)..... it was just a curiosity born from what others started speculating on about the crystals an ships ;)..... not all my fault :P....
Title: Re: Core Crystals...
Post by: Quantus on October 08, 2015, 12:14:27 PM
lol damn ::)..... it was just a curiosity born from what others started speculating on about the crystals an ships ;)..... not all my fault :P....
Hah, at least we havent tried to quantify the energy output of the crystals yet.  Though I think we are going in that direction over in the Airship Specs thread.