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Title: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Serack on September 30, 2015, 07:25:39 PM
Does any one else have Luna Lovegood meandering through their imagination playing the role of Folly?  Here's a reaction to a particular line about her I wrote down when I read it.

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Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: WonderandAwe on September 30, 2015, 07:44:47 PM
I got more of a River Tam vibe off of her.  Luna Lovegood is quirky.   River Tam is insane and dangerous, but well-meaning. 
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Dannyboy on October 01, 2015, 04:26:05 AM
I got more of a River Tam vibe off of her.  Luna Lovegood is quirky.   River Tam is insane and dangerous, but well-meaning.
This

Her need to speak indirectly to most people around her was pure genius.  Rowl is still my favorite PoV in the book.

Danny
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: EdgeDS on October 01, 2015, 01:16:37 PM
Yes, I definitely thought of Luna a good bit whenever Folly came up.

Rowl is still my favorite PoV in the book.

I found it surprising after all the buildup, but the chapters from Rowl's POV were actually the ones I liked the least.  They were good, of course, but I found that I really preferred seeing the cats' interactions with humans when not from the perspective of the cat.  I think that I liked them being more inscrutable, which is easier to show from a different viewpoint.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Serack on October 01, 2015, 01:48:57 PM
I found it surprising after all the buildup, but the chapters from Rowl's POV were actually the ones I liked the least.  They were good, of course, but I found that I really preferred seeing the cats' interactions with humans when not from the perspective of the cat.  I think that I liked them being more inscrutable, which is easier to show from a different viewpoint.

Hmmm, I think I can see your point.  Probably a lot of the enthusiasm for the kitty PoV is a bit of a result of people who really love the novelty of such a PoV's interpretation of their own experiences with the fuzzballs they love.  Makes me wonder if too much of it might result in a collying sweetness for those readers.

I think I communicated that right...
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Quantus on October 01, 2015, 02:26:43 PM
I got more of a River Tam vibe off of her.  Luna Lovegood is quirky.   River Tam is insane and dangerous, but well-meaning.
This was my first thought as well, but then Ive been subconsciously measuring each new character against the Serenity Crew-members from the get-go.  Still no Doctor, and we have a Scotty instead of a Caylee

(Im only about half-way through.  Damn you Real World and your constant demands that I keep Adulting!)
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: WonderandAwe on October 01, 2015, 02:29:04 PM
Captain Grimm reminds me more of Captain Lawrence from the Temeraire Series by Naomi Novik than Mal. 
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Dina on October 01, 2015, 03:11:40 PM
I have barely began the book (and so far I am loving it)  so I will stay away of this spoiler section, but as I've seen the name of this thread, I needed to come to say
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Oh, I'll drop a few early reactions here. I don't need them answered because I will read the book, I just wanted to say my initial wonderings.
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Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Quantus on October 01, 2015, 03:17:17 PM
Oh, I'll drop a few early reactions here. I don't need them answered because I will read the book, I just wanted to say my initial wonderings.
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Im not done yet either, but there is a particular character that makes me believe the answer is No.  It doesnt preclude him being undiscriminating in the style of Captain Jack Harkness (Dr Who), though
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: cass on October 01, 2015, 04:21:02 PM
Captain Grimm reminds me more of Captain Lawrence from the Temeraire Series by Naomi Novik than Mal.

Yeah, Mal is somewhat less-than-impressed with the idea of always being calm, collected and utterly unflappable in front of the crew.  Maybe Mal pre-Battle of Serenity, but I doubt it.  Captain Laurence has the advantage of commanding a similarly greater number of crew members than Mal, however, plus his 'ship' is very much sentient. (I don't think I've ever heard a better description of Temeraire than 'insouciant but understands the need for cooperation'...)

I'm torn between Folly as an Odiana (albeit a non-sadistically malicious one) and a River Tam-type.  They're both far more dangerous than they'd seem, and both a few rungs short of a ladder to  the point of needing to be guided about.

Rowl is Kitai or Doroga. From his very first lines he sounded like a Marat.  (Probably due to the Marat thinking more about the here-and-now than Alerans, just as the cats think more about the here-and-now than do the humans.)
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Quantus on October 01, 2015, 06:09:10 PM
Yeah, Mal is somewhat less-than-impressed with the idea of always being calm, collected and utterly unflappable in front of the crew.  Maybe Mal pre-Battle of Serenity, but I doubt it.  Captain Laurence has the advantage of commanding a similarly greater number of crew members than Mal, however, plus his 'ship' is very much sentient. (I don't think I've ever heard a better description of Temeraire than 'insouciant but understands the need for cooperation'...)
True, but that is more the genre difference I think; the Space-western vs the victorian steampunk.  Mal also does not know down to the second how long it takes a cup of tea to cool to proper drinking temperature. Strip away those style trappings and I think they are pretty darn close
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Thana†os on October 02, 2015, 06:55:18 PM
I have barely began the book (and so far I am loving it)  so I will stay away of this spoiler section, but as I've seen the name of this thread, I needed to come to say
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Totally this - exactly what I saw and read.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Dina on October 02, 2015, 11:08:29 PM
I am not surprised (because of the text under your pic)  :D
I am glad I am not the only one.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: cornyphil on October 03, 2015, 04:40:59 AM
I got a big "Auri" vibe from Folly.

She's a thin waif of a girl who is more knowledgeable/powerful than outside appearances indicate.

Also a strange way of talking and seemingly crippling social/communication issues.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Dina on October 03, 2015, 04:59:21 AM
Who is Auri?
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Shecky on October 03, 2015, 01:02:16 PM
From Pat Rothfuss's books.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Dina on October 03, 2015, 06:30:31 PM
Ah, thanks  :)
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: hydrorox on October 04, 2015, 08:49:02 PM
Captain Grimm reminds me more of Captain Lawrence from the Temeraire Series by Naomi Novik than Mal.

I disagree, Captain Lawrence is too uptight to be Grimm.
and besides the whole crew screams FireFly.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Quantus on October 05, 2015, 01:03:27 PM
and besides the whole crew screams FireFly.
Except they had a Scotty instead of a Caylee.  :D Unless Gwen became Caylee...?   :o
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: stevesully on October 05, 2015, 06:55:02 PM
I like the Auri comparison best; don't see much of the Firefly references certainly NOT Mal for Grimm.  I'm REALLY not happy reading the first book of an upcoming series this soon.  I'm not patient and really wonder as to how long until next book comes out.  I started reading DF around book 11/12 so I had a good backlog to go through.  No such luck here.  Reading through these spoiler topics help better understand (probably not the right word) the book I just finished. 
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: DGibb on October 07, 2015, 08:05:30 PM
Folly reminded me very clearly of Delirium from Neil Gaiman's Sandman. Just how she was quirky and had a very deliberate, yet conventionally odd dress method. I may have also merged my mental image with the picture of Molly from Splattercon! with the pink/blue hair.

Captain Grimm will forever be Colin O'Donoghue (pardon the spelling) from Once Upon a Time based on the cover art of the book.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Phariah on October 07, 2015, 11:04:23 PM
I have to say Folly reminds me of River from Firefly more than Luna.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Shecky on October 08, 2015, 02:28:11 AM
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Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Dina on October 08, 2015, 02:39:48 AM
That is SUPER awesome!
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: xakko on October 08, 2015, 03:46:09 AM
I got a big "Auri" vibe from Folly.

She's a thin waif of a girl who is more knowledgeable/powerful than outside appearances indicate.

Also a strange way of talking and seemingly crippling social/communication issues.
count me in the "Auri" camp.

Am I the only one who saw Mrs. Cavendish as an evil Polgara from the Belgariad series? 

I also got a sense that the competence of the Guilds from Habble Landing were sort of what the Patrician was aspiring to achieve in Ankh-Morpork
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: DFJunkie on October 11, 2015, 03:40:04 AM
I see more of Luna than River Tam in Folly, mostly because the Etherealists aren't actually insane, they just seem that way to people incapable of interacting directly with the Ether.  Yes, they have their "holes", but none of them have behaved erratically (yes, I'm including Ms. Cavendish, she's sadistic and evil, but very predictable).  You never knew when River would go off, I don't get the same vibe from Folly.   
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Griffyn612 on October 19, 2015, 02:15:38 AM
I got a big "Auri" vibe from Folly.

She's a thin waif of a girl who is more knowledgeable/powerful than outside appearances indicate.

Also a strange way of talking and seemingly crippling social/communication issues.
I concur with the Auri vibe.

Am I the only one who saw Mrs. Cavendish as an evil Polgara from the Belgariad series? 
It's been millennia since I read that series, but I think I remember it enough to say that sounds close.  The vibe from both are similar, although I remember Polgara being levels higher than Cavendish, and almost sadly sympathetic by the end.  Cavendish doesn't seem likeable, and redemption seems unlikely.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: the_doc on October 19, 2015, 09:10:28 AM
Auri is a secondary character from "The Kingkiller Chronicle" by Patrick Rothfuss.
She appears in "The Name of the Wind" and "The Wise Man's Fear" and she is the protagonist in "The Slow Regard of Silent Things".
Auri is very sweet, but she is crazy because of her contact with magic.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Rygar on October 19, 2015, 10:00:15 PM
Except they had a Scotty instead of a Caylee.  :D Unless Gwen became Caylee...?   :o

Their demeanors are worlds apart though. So even if she did take over Mr Journeyman at some point, I think Predator would likely just have a much more proper Scotty than a Kaylee.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Quantus on October 19, 2015, 10:15:10 PM
Their demeanors are worlds apart though. So even if she did take over Mr Journeyman at some point, I think Predator would likely just have a much more proper Scotty than a Kaylee.
Fair points.  She's Caylee in appearance only, and even then only when wearing overalls and grease. 
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Dina on October 19, 2015, 10:20:18 PM
Journeyman is quite the Scotty, but Gwen is different of all.  To be honest, I don't see the Firefly remembrance, except because it's a private ship , of course.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Quantus on October 19, 2015, 10:25:00 PM
Journeyman is quite the Scotty, but Gwen is different of all.  To be honest, I don't see the Firefly remembrance, except because it's a private ship , of course.
There is a particular scene that opens with laying on the ground under a panel connecting things, and there was a line in the Firefly (Train Job) Commentary that always stuck with me talking about Caylee's intro in that scene and how crawling out from under a panel like that is universal TV language for Ships Mechanic/Engineer, or something to that effect.  So when Gwen was grease-covered in the engine room, one that has a similarly physical and tactile Engine in the middle, it sort of anchored to two together in my mind, even if it's not strictly rational  :-[
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Dina on October 19, 2015, 10:34:07 PM
Oh, absolutely. I also described her as getting "all Kaylee". Of course I was reminded of her. It's only that, as you said, it's in the looks not in the character.
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Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Quantus on October 19, 2015, 10:36:08 PM
Oh, absolutely. I also described her as getting "all Kaylee". Of course I was reminded of her. It's only that, as you said, it's in the looks not in the character.
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I was half-expecting a scene where
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Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Dina on October 19, 2015, 10:39:32 PM
I had not thought that, but I would have liked it too.
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Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Quantus on October 20, 2015, 12:59:46 PM
I had not thought that, but I would have liked it too.
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Agreed, though I expect
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Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Rygar on October 20, 2015, 01:38:50 PM
Agreed, though I expect
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Nah, that duel established Cats as citizens of the Spire.  It's totally coming back up.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Quantus on October 20, 2015, 02:09:57 PM
Nah, that duel established Cats as citizens of the Spire.  It's totally coming back up.
Nah, the Duel just provided a convenient forum to announce the Spirearch's proclamation that did so.  Now that the moment is past it makes no difference whether Reggie gets Satisfaction from somebody who is now quite possibly considered a war hero. 
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Dina on October 20, 2015, 02:15:05 PM
Agreed, though I expect
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Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Rygar on October 20, 2015, 04:07:43 PM
Nah, the Duel just provided a convenient forum to announce the Spirearch's proclamation that did so.  Now that the moment is past it makes no difference whether Reggie gets Satisfaction from somebody who is now quite possibly considered a war hero.

Well that depends.  That coming out during the duel will ensure it isn't forgotten, and I'm of the opinion that the actions of the inquisition won't be widely known.  I'd be very surprised if it isn't at least addressed as having occurred/been resolved between volumes.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Quantus on October 20, 2015, 05:54:18 PM
Well that depends.  That coming out during the duel will ensure it isn't forgotten, and I'm of the opinion that the actions of the inquisition won't be widely known.  I'd be very surprised if it isn't at least addressed as having occurred/been resolved between volumes.
Possible, but I dont think they'll bother with that much pointless theater when they have a war to fight.  The duel was simply a convenient Forum for the announcement, but I actually do think they'll forget about it, and quickly,
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what with the war and the catastrophic loss of the shipyard.
The only way it would still go forward was if Reggie pushed the issue, and he'd been expecting to avoid the whole thing on a technicality; I expect he was looking for a way out of the whole mess even before the attack distracted everyone. 
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: DeaSis on October 28, 2016, 07:59:08 PM
Captain Grimm reminds me more of Captain Lawrence from the Temeraire Series by Naomi Novik than Mal.

Yes!!!!!
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Silentbrick on April 18, 2019, 09:11:54 PM
Yes!!!!!

Definitely Not.  After about book 3, the Temeraire series got so bad I stopped reading it.  Which is unusual for me as the only other series I've stopped reading is GOT.  Cause I hated everyone and wanted them all to die.  Horribly.  Somewhere away from me.

Anyway, Grimm isn't like Mal or Captain Laurence.  Grimm strikes me as being a Navy version of Sharpe from Sharpe's Rifles.  He's not as much of a ladies man but he gets the job done, however he can, regardless of the cost to himself while trying to preserve his men.
Title: Re: Does anyone else picture Folly as...
Post by: Dina on April 18, 2019, 09:59:14 PM
Definitely Not.  After about book 3, the Temeraire series got so bad I stopped reading it.  Which is unusual for me as the only other series I've stopped reading is GOT.  Cause I hated everyone and wanted them all to die.  Horribly.  Somewhere away from me.

Anyway, Grimm isn't like Mal or Captain Laurence.  Grimm strikes me as being a Navy version of Sharpe from Sharpe's Rifles.  He's not as much of a ladies man but he gets the job done, however he can, regardless of the cost to himself while trying to preserve his men.


LOL at GOT. I will never read it, because the characters I like are (in general) dead, and many I want to see dead are still alive. Particularly one Stark.