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Other Jimness => Cinder Spires Spoilers => Topic started by: WonderandAwe on September 29, 2015, 09:09:33 PM
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So... What are the Warriorborn exactly? They seem to have cat like eyes and cats refer to them as "half souls". They are rather strong and have a high metabolism. They have normal humans as relatives.
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It's not specifically mentioned in the book, but I imagine it's a hold over something that Etherealists did in order to create "super-soldier" types at sometime in the distant past.
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Well, it's definitely a genetic trait-- probably recessive, but I suppose it could just be rare enough (and considered undesirable enough in a prospective parent) to keep an otherwise dominant gene in check. It runs in families, too.
I would say that it was a blending of cats and humans-- maybe to try to create a closer and more visible partnership between the groups?
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Jim has acknowledged it's a genetic trait.
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I reread a few of the early chapters and there is mention of Warriorborn having the strength of lions.
I'm guessing they look like normal people except for the eyes and the ability to do crazy impressive physical feats.
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It was implied that Sark was more spiderlike so it could be half human, half animal cross breeds?
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I was wondering about that. His manner was all Spider-like, but he had the same cat eyes, so I think it might just eb personal flavor rather than actual genetic difference.
Perhaps it's the other half of an experiment to give Cats the ability to talk/organize? Or is it just that humans eventually learned to speak Cat.
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I got the impression sarks warriorborn nature was related to the silkweavers whereas normal warriorborn are more catlike.
Sarks impression just may be due to being a puppet of the enemy.
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I got the impression sarks warriorborn nature was related to the silkweavers whereas normal warriorborn are more catlike.
Sarks impression just may be due to being a puppet of the enemy.
they also keep calling him her "Batman" and I know I have all kinds of imagery tied up with that one
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personally I feel the spider-like description is just an account of his stance/ appearance/ movement, not a description of a genetic trait. he is a warrior born, part cat human. my guess he has been w/ Creepy Lady a long time and has been with her the whole time she learned to control the silkweavers. as such he has learned to move like the instinctively. much like how you describe a huge muscular man as bull like, or a graceful/ athletic as cat like, or a small quiet one as mouse like. I do not believe it is a spider genetic trait.
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I take it like serack has said, it's genetically human but it manifests either catlike or silkweaver depending on influences.
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I take it like setback has said, it's genetically human but it manifests either catlike or silkweaver depending on influences.
Didnt the spidery one still have Cat eyes though?
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Didnt the spidery one still have Cat eyes though?
yup
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That isn't what I mean. The enemy has corrupted Sark and it has twisted warriorborn nature.
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I don't think there's anything significantly different to Sark's genes compared to other Warriorborn. "Spidery" is Jim's usual adjective for a character that's deadly, graceful, and competent but the reader is supposed to be creeped out instead of impressed by the character. The same thing happens for the Vord queen and for Mavra.
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I don't think there's anything significantly different to Sark's genes compared to other Warriorborn. "Spidery" is Jim's usual adjective for a character that's deadly, graceful, and competent but the reader is supposed to be creeped out instead of impressed by the character. The same thing happens for the Vord queen and for Mavra.
I believe there is a specific quote that says he moves like a Silkweaver... not a Cat. So it is at least implied that there might be different styles of Warriorborn... or someone is mucking about with the designs.
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I am pretty sure when explaining warriorborn they would have brought up variants if there were any. one's movements are also trained.
I don't think there's anything significantly different to Sark's genes compared to other Warriorborn. "Spidery" is Jim's usual adjective for a character that's deadly, graceful, and competent but the reader is supposed to be creeped out instead of impressed by the character. The same thing happens for the Vord queen and for Mavra.
I like this the best tbh.
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Since three different characters, Espira, Grim and Bridget all remark to themselves how Sark moves like a silkweaver, I suspect that there is more to the description than simply a way to denote creepiness.
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I believe there is a specific quote that says he moves like a Silkweaver... not a Cat. So it is at least implied that there might be different styles of Warriorborn... or someone is mucking about with the designs.
You're inferring it, but I don't see it as implied. Just because something is not impossible does not mean something is implied.
As said earlier, it more likely has more to do with him being henchman/possible puppet.
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I'd be hard pressed to define what the visible differences between a Cat-like Graceful and Deadly psycho and a Spider-like Graceful and Deadly psycho, honestly.
To me he seemed spider-themed only in the sense that all those on The Enemy's side were, to one degree or another.
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The reference to "batman" is in the traditional dictionary sense of the word. "a soldier assigned to an officer as a servant."
Without the reference to the cat-like eyes I'd have said the half-souled reference was more akin to the berserkers referenced in the 2nd Dresden novel. That is, people with a soul of a beast, but a human shell.
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I don't recall anyone aside from the cats referring to the warriorborn as halfsouls, and its humanocentric to think that cats care if a soul is human. On the other hand if the warriorborn have some cat genetics as evidenced by their cat-like eyes, superior sense of smell & hearing, high cat-like metabolism, and their feline-like grace, then that might explain why the cats refer to them as halfsouls, because part of their soul is that of a cat, and the human portion doesn't matter to a cat, only the feline portion. ;D
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Half-soul appears (8) times in the novel, always from Rowl. Personally I think they are being called "Half-souled" because only the Cat half counts from Rowl's perspective.
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The reference to "batman" is in the traditional dictionary sense of the word. "a soldier assigned to an officer as a servant."
Without the reference to the cat-like eyes I'd have said the half-souled reference was more akin to the berserkers referenced in the 2nd Dresden novel. That is, people with a soul of a beast, but a human shell.
I think that a batman is the land forces version of a naval steward. Once someone reaches a certain rank they get someone to take care of their needs. Like a mini-major domo you take on the road.
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I disagree, I think in this case it means that Sark is somewhat under mind control and that is what makes him different.
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they also keep calling him her "Batman" and I know I have all kinds of imagery tied up with that one
i think that confirms that this series is actually a postapocalyptic gotham. well looks like we can go home people, no more theorizing to do, books solved.
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Half-soul appears (8) times in the novel, always from Rowl. Personally I think they are being called "Half-souled" because only the Cat half counts from Rowl's perspective.
I was going to say the same thing. ;)