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Title: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Gigglestomp on December 30, 2013, 07:07:50 PM
Note: DFRC curators have permission to edit in new content as they wish since I might not be the only one who would be interested in contributing.


Poll to the audience on this one, I want to compile a list of things Harry has named.

Under the WAG that Harry might have a knack for naming things. It could be because hes Starborn, or it could be because it's his "Talent". Molly has a knack for complex subtle magic, and Harry might have a knack for naming things. Lets come up with a list of all the things he has named, preferably living things.

Try to provide the Original name, the nickname, and the book.

I try to put all of the nicknames he gives in quotes to simplify things.

One instance that goes to show Harry might have a more than normal gift: When he calls Uriel "Uri" and Uriel freaks out. He says something along the lines of don't attempt to familiarize his name with an nickname, because it is part of his nature and purpose. Uriel means "Light of God" and Harry was calling him "Light" (Hebrew)

Edit: I noticed Harry and others seem to be calling Butters “Waldo” a lot now, when it was exclusively “Butters” before. When did this start? Skin Game, or Ghost Story?

-Leanansidhe "Lea"
-Spirit of Intellect in a skull "Bob"
-Pet Cat "Mister"

Restoration of Faith
Welcome to the Jungle
Storm Front
-Marcone's man "Spike"
-Lawrence "Gimpy"
-Victor Sells "Shadowman"
-Hendricks "Cujo"
Fool Moon
-Chaunzaggoroth, renamed "Chauncy"
Ghoul Goblin
B is For Bigfoot
Grave Peril
Summer Knight
- Plant Monster “Chlorofiend”
Death Masks
- Quintus Cassius "Snakeboy"
- The Archive "Ivy"
- Martin – “Captain Mediocrity” & “Pedantic Avenger”
Publicity and Advertising
Blood Rights
-Temple Dog "Mouse"
Dead Beat
-Quintus Cassius "Liver spots"
Something Borrowed
I Was a Teenage Bigfoot
Proven Guilty
White Knight
- Lashiel's Shadow "Lash" – This gave her a bit of his soul and Free Will.
-Vittorio Malvora -  "Grey Cloak"
-Madrigal Raith - "Passenger"
It's My Birthday, Too
Heorot
Small Favor
-Polonius Lartessa "Mantis Girl"
-Named the 2nd Eldest Gruff "Tiny", using it exclusivly after that.
-Order of the Blackened Denarius  "Nickleheads"  Because he said their name gave them too much dignity and he wanted to remedy that.
Day Off
-Random Punk Villain “Darth Wannabe”
Backup
The Warrior
Last Call
Curses
AAAA of Wizardry
Turn Coat
-Genius Loci + Island - "Demonreach"
-Toot-toot  "Toot", "Major General Toot-Toot Minimus". The first was given to him early on, the second in Turn Coat.
-names Chandler "Steed"
-names one of Ancient Mai's wardens "Lucky" because Harry recognizes him as the same one who almost froze to death trying to get word from Queen Mab in Summer Knight. He's also broken his ankle in Turn Coat, and has to stay behind rather than go after Morgan like the others.
-A Naagloshii  "Shagnasty" 
Even hand
Love Hurts
Bigfoot on Campus
Changes
-Martin "Marvin"
-Ik'k'uox -  "the Ick" 
Aftermath
Ghost Story
- Skaldi Skheldson  "Hair Ball"   
- Calls Molly "Molls", the name he was saving for her when she was no longer his apprentice.
- Calls Uriel by the name "Uri" as a tiny bit of insolence, but drops it after Uriel gets upset.
- Calls Uriel by a new name instead of shortening Uriel, "Mr. Sunshine".
Bombshells
Cold Days
-He Who Walks Before  "Sharkface" 
Skin Game – Note: Mr. Sunshine comes up as a name almost more than Uriel does in SG. Hes also MUCH more sympathetic and human-seeming since his new nickname.
-Demonreach "Alfred"
-Fomor Octopus+ape enforcer - "Octokong"
-Nicodemus - "Nicky"
-Looking for people to mention ones they noticed. I’ll add them for sure if it’s Harry naming another person, or if he changes their nickname to something else.

Some of the above come from http://dresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_nicknames. The wikia page was deleted though, so i'm glad I snagged a few there while I could! = )
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Quantus on December 30, 2013, 08:36:35 PM
Nice List!

He has pretty well settled on Kujo as a nickname for Hendricks. 

He named the Erlking "Erl" just before leaving in Changes, causing the Horned Badass to "tilt­ his head slight­ly, the way a dog does at a new sound".

He's the one that came up with "Black Council,"  a name that has gotten strange reactions from several old school wizards.

He came up with Grey Council at the end of TC. McCoy was organizing it, but he was the first to use the term.

Martin was also called Captain Mediocrity and the Pedantic Avenger back in GP

Changes also had the Eebs, but I cannot recall offhand if that one was Harry's idea or Susans.  Which brings up the point that it might be worth also listing Names that he did not personally come up with but has since accepted/sponsored/validated.  The Za Lord is the best example of one of those. 

Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: beetnemesis on December 30, 2013, 09:35:49 PM
Changes also had the Eebs, but I cannot recall offhand if that one was Harry's idea or Susans.  Which brings up the point that it might be worth also listing Names that he did not personally come up with but has since accepted/sponsored/validated.  The Za Lord is the best example of one of those.

I am pretty sure that Eebs was from Susan. The scene is something along the lines of Harry asking about Esteban and Esmerelda, and Susan just sort of cuts him off with "Eebs." Later, she does something similar to Martin.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Quantus on December 31, 2013, 01:17:13 PM
Are we pretty much crediting Toot with the whole "Za Lord" thing?  I suppose somebody else could have suggeted the name to him and his crew, but he's the best suspect I know of offhand
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Tami Seven on December 31, 2013, 04:59:50 PM
Some of those I would question, liek Grey Cloak and Passenger. He only called them that because he didn't know who they were. Names stick when you know who someone or something is, know their true name, but decided to rename them or give them a new name.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: GrandPanjandrum on December 31, 2013, 05:23:14 PM
In Storm Front, Harry wrestled control of Victor's demon away from him by stating the demon's name three times.  Only, the third time he said the name of the demon he garbled it and said it improperly, yet still managed to tear away Victor's control. 

How do you explain that, unless Harry has the ability to re-name entities?
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: robertltux on December 31, 2013, 06:41:53 PM
Uriel may have reached "violently" to being called Light due to another "angel" that is called Light (how would you like being called Hilter??).


and yes i do think that HBCD has the Mantle of "Namer of Things"
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Magnus on December 31, 2013, 07:44:32 PM
Quantus: a small correction it is spelled Cujo.

In later books he calls Billy will instead of bill.

And naming things harry calls the plant monster a Chlorofiend in summer knight
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Tami Seven on December 31, 2013, 07:50:55 PM
Those who have never been renamed include
Karrin Murphy
Thomas Raith
Waldo Butters

did Harry come up with 'fist of God' for Michael?  Or was that someone else? 
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: rad on December 31, 2013, 10:02:22 PM
did Harry come up with 'fist of God' for Michael?  Or was that someone else?
As far as I can remember that was Harry.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Phaeton Seraph on January 01, 2014, 03:33:44 AM

One instance that goes to show Harry might have a more than normal gift: When he calls Uriel "Uri" and Uriel freaks out. He says something along the lines of don't attempt to familiarize his name with an nickname, because it is part of his nature and purpose. Uriel means "Light of God" and Harry was calling him "Light" (Hebrew)


"Light of God" is a more modern, Judeo-Christian interpretation to the meaning of the name.  Before what was to become Judaism became the monotheism it became, angels were powerful beings, perhaps even gods themselves in some contexts or even personages.

Any way, with Judaism and Christianity came the One God, the God of Hosts.  And the Hosts included the choirs of angels, so so all the names with suffixes of 'el and 'ah (or 'yah), came to mean "of God," although there were rules at one time about the vowel that preceded 'el indicating a distinction from God.  e.g. Michael use to mean "who is like God" but is now often translated as "kindness of God".

So yeah, Uriel's name means "Light of God" now.   Judeo-Christianity is somewhat polarised when it comes to angels; either they're part of God's Hosts, or they are Fallen... of if you were to look at if from a proto-Semitic angle, if the being wasn't "of God" and not Fallen, then the being was a god(-like being) in its own right.


The point I've tried to make before is that Uriel's anger was probably outrage at the abhorrent concept of himself not being "of God."


What I find interesting is the way in which the Powers of the DV's Never Never mirror the history of (non-fictional) real world mythologies/religious beliefs (and the religious beliefs of he past are today's mythologies).   Names may not have the flashy power, here, that they do in Jim's DV but, wow, we certainly use and alter them in ways that amount to power.




BTW:
Sorry, about any confusing inconsistency with capitalisation of the word "god."  While I failed as a Christian, my RC education prepared me to be an excellent agnostic.  I try to use a lower-case "g" for any fictional god, or real world mythological god (not currently worshipped by a large enough group that I'm afraid of being hunted down by them), I still retain a compulsion to capitalise the "g" when referring to God in all His varied denominations extant in the "real world."

The spelling thing and the Golden Rule, I just can't seem to break myself of those two things. 

Well, those two things and taking the Lord's name in vain, or religious curses/oaths when suddenly hurt or surprised.  Oh, and looking for someone to plead for help or blame in moments of solitary angst, and the occasional "thank God!" after a near-miss.

Yeah, that's it, that's all of them, except maybe the compulsion to genuflect in church.  And a fondness for rosaries.
Okay, I'm still a Catholic in all but the faith.  So it's really conflicting.   ;)
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Quantus on January 02, 2014, 03:01:55 PM
As far as I can remember that was Harry.
I was under the impression that it was a common Name for them in the supernatural community.  Like how they call themselves the Knights of the Cross but others call them the Knights of the Sword.  Granted its a name that Michael denounced in DM when talking about their real purpose and whatnot.

Regardless, I just did a search on every mention of it, and it not presented as something of harry's specifically like the other were, so I dont think it will be significant. 

Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: peregrine on January 02, 2014, 05:04:30 PM
Man, people REALLY put too much emphasis on Naming things when Harry does it.  Lash, DR, Ivy and Toot are, in my opinion about it that actually makes a metaphysical difference.  Otherwise some people are extending it to such levels where he can "Name" a steel door "Air" and suddenly it has changed it enough that he can walk through it, and otherwise entirely rewrite and override peoples own natures against their will.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Quantus on January 02, 2014, 05:18:24 PM
Man, people REALLY put too much emphasis on Naming things when Harry does it.  Lash, DR, Ivy and Toot are, in my opinion about it that actually makes a metaphysical difference.  Otherwise some people are extending it to such levels where he can "Name" a steel door "Air" and suddenly it has changed it enough that he can walk through it, and otherwise entirely rewrite and override peoples own natures against their will.
Dude, this is just us trying to pull together a comprehensive list of everything that he has named.  Yes, most of them will be insignificant, but the archangel hinted that harry is unusual when it comes to Naming, so its still worth pulling the reference material together.

That being said I wouldnt be surprised is some function of the Fires of Creation would let him do just that. 
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: magnusth on January 02, 2014, 05:29:46 PM
I'm pretty sure that harry hasn't got any such ability. It would be pointless, and more the the point, it would undermine the importance of names in the world. Sure, harry's habit of nicknaming things has certainly had metaphysical impact, but that, i think, is because names always have metaphysical impact, and in every case i can think of, the creature or thing impacted has accepted the name; see Ivy, lash, demonreach. But for those to be the result of some sort of naming ability undercuts the importance of names in themselves. And, for Ivy and Lash, it does something else: it undercuts the importance of the kindness harry shows. Everyone calls ivy the archive, but harry refuses to treat her in any way but as a human; and similarly, harry shows understanding, even friendship, to Lash, whom others would simply abhor. That makes them accept the names he gives them, and it changes them. For it to be some sort of super-naming ability renders that kindness and humanness moot, and, i'd claim, weakens the story.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Rasins on January 02, 2014, 06:10:11 PM
This question has been asked of Jim and the impression I've always gotten is that Harry naming things isn't really a power so much as it's just human.

Mankind has always wanted to name things (just look at the "star registry" ads on late-night TV).  When we name things we kind of control them, at least in our own heads.

I think Harry names things so that he can identify them for himself, when he doesn't know what else to call them.  That and when he just want's to become more familiar with them.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Quantus on January 02, 2014, 06:33:47 PM
This line below from Uriel is what makes many of us suspect otherwise.
Quote from: Ghost Story
Names have tremendous power, Dresden. Yet mortals toss them left and right as though they were toys. It’s like watching infants play with hand grenades sometimes.” The ghost of a smile touched his face as he glanced at me. “Some more so than others.

If that isnt a blatant Cluebat I dont know what is.

I'm pretty sure that harry hasn't got any such ability. It would be pointless, and more the the point, it would undermine the importance of names in the world. Sure, harry's habit of nicknaming things has certainly had metaphysical impact, but that, i think, is because names always have metaphysical impact, and in every case i can think of, the creature or thing impacted has accepted the name; see Ivy, lash, demonreach. But for those to be the result of some sort of naming ability undercuts the importance of names in themselves. And, for Ivy and Lash, it does something else: it undercuts the importance of the kindness harry shows. Everyone calls ivy the archive, but harry refuses to treat her in any way but as a human; and similarly, harry shows understanding, even friendship, to Lash, whom others would simply abhor. That makes them accept the names he gives them, and it changes them. For it to be some sort of super-naming ability renders that kindness and humanness moot, and, i'd claim, weakens the story.
I dont see how Harry having an unusual capacity for Naming would undercut any of that, anymore than his being a wizard or a Starborn undercuts his being a hero.  Regardless though, I think the fear Uriel demonstrated confirms that it is not something that has to be Accepted by the one being (re)Named.  Unless said person happens to be a Mortal, in which case they seem to have to actually agree to nearly everything; but that appears to be a exception rather than the rule. 

Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Rasins on January 02, 2014, 09:21:10 PM
Quantus - I guess my point is that Harry doesn't have any SPECIAL or MYSTICAL ability to name things.  We all have it and it's part of our nature to want to label things.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Rwun on January 02, 2014, 09:45:22 PM
This line below from Uriel is what makes many of us suspect otherwise.

"Names have tremendous power, Dresden. Yet mortals toss them left and right as though they were toys. It’s like watching infants play with hand grenades sometimes.” The ghost of a smile touched his face as he glanced at me. “Some more so than others."

If that isnt a blatant Cluebat I dont know what is.

That... seems an awful lot like that bit where Uriel is talking about exercizing free will: all mortals can do it, but most don't.

I think that Harry is exceptional not because he can Name things/people, but because he does name them.

Then again, if we're talking about outsiders, all bets are off.  Naming them is totally one way that the whole starborn ball of noodles can manifest.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Quantus on January 02, 2014, 10:13:30 PM
Quantus - I guess my point is that Harry doesn't have any SPECIAL or MYSTICAL ability to name things.  We all have it and it's part of our nature to want to label things.
I get that, I was just presenting the counter argument since I dont agree but several others seem to both agree with you and not understand why other do not. 

Granted Ive never seen an instance of Jim being asked this question, and so cannot gauge any impressions on the response.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: snuffulupagus on January 02, 2014, 11:08:26 PM
That... seems an awful lot like that bit where Uriel is talking about exercizing free will: all mortals can do it, but most don't.

I think that Harry is exceptional not because he can Name things/people, but because he does name them.

Then again, if we're talking about outsiders, all bets are off.  Naming them is totally one way that the whole starborn ball of noodles can manifest.

Perhaps it's related to the idea behind Mantles/Masks. Give something a new name along with new expectations as to the personality behind it, and by using that name the being expresses some of those traits.

Concerning Uriel, he doesn't really directly interact with many humans. Perhaps that could directly give Harry more influence over him with regard to naming. Alternatively, Harry could have more influence indirectly by spreading the use of the new name after their meeting which given Harry's influence could result in the new name being used by many people.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Serack on April 25, 2014, 11:54:07 AM
Bump, I might be adding this to the DFRC.  I miss the one I built long ago.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Mira on April 25, 2014, 12:28:20 PM

  It all runs together at the moment, I've been rereading bits and pieces of all the books.  I seem to recall Harry saying something about the power of names and of naming things.  He didn't say he had a "special" power where this is concerned per say..  However he is fond of doing it, mostly nick names, but in the case of the Archive and the Creature on the island, he gave them both a sense of "self" because he named them..   Before Harry named her, Ivy was just a vessel for the Archive, now she is a little girl named Ivy, who is also the Archive.. The same goes for the old Creature...  It was okay to be Demonreach, but..
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Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: robertltux on April 25, 2014, 01:39:32 PM
i would think that giving some a name and Giving Something a NAME are different things altogether.

before Harry gave her the NAME Ivy she was just the meat that is wrapped around The Archive.

Now i would bet that Harry could build a garden themed Circle and use a cutting of ivy to track down IVY.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: ballplayer72 on April 25, 2014, 03:58:02 PM
That... seems an awful lot like that bit where Uriel is talking about exercizing free will: all mortals can do it, but most don't.

I think that Harry is exceptional not because he can Name things/people, but because he does name them.

Then again, if we're talking about outsiders, all bets are off.  Naming them is totally one way that the whole starborn ball of noodles can manifest.


Aren't some of the DR sleepers called something along the lines of "things with no names"?   
Perhaps if he names them he can use that as a lever against them?
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Quantus on April 28, 2014, 12:45:24 PM

Aren't some of the DR sleepers called something along the lines of "things with no names"?   
Perhaps if he names them he can use that as a lever against them?
"Nameless Things" according to Demonreach's understanding of Human speech, but I think he means that literally, yes. 
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Aegnoralkarin on April 29, 2014, 02:16:48 AM
My headcanon has Wizards as Namers and Shapers; Harry's just well above the norm in ability to Name stuff, while not being the sharpest Shaper in the strongbox.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: IakAzaq on April 30, 2014, 02:28:38 AM
I don't think that Harry has any special skills in naming other than the fact is that he DOES name things. Most of the wizards are so staunch and classical on how they act, and with the power of names, that they just don't try to rename things. Harry, who is a young wizard and impetuous, doesn't have the moral qualms against renaming something. He gives things a sense of self, as in IVY, or takes power away from something, like Lasch. I think any other wizard could do this if they truly thought they could. 
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Mira on April 30, 2014, 02:35:48 AM
I don't think that Harry has any special skills in naming other than the fact is that he DOES name things. Most of the wizards are so staunch and classical on how they act, and with the power of names, that they just don't try to rename things. Harry, who is a young wizard and impetuous, doesn't have the moral qualms against renaming something. He gives things a sense of self, as in IVY, or takes power away from something, like Lasch. I think any other wizard could do this if they truly thought they could.
  I agree with this, he is one part compassion and one part smart ass.  I also think he sometimes names things to make them less scary least he be intimidated by a monster that should make him wet his pants.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Serack on April 30, 2014, 10:47:04 AM
I ment to move this before the autolock, and here it locked on us.  Hopefully it doesn't relock tonight we shall see.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Gigglestomp on April 30, 2014, 06:10:46 PM
Nifty necro! I was just thinking about this post yesterday as a matter of fact! I'm going to keep this post up to date as the new novels roll out. I still mean to go back and track the changes to Murphey's name. Harry changes her name as their relationship changes, and you especially notice it in the later books when (coincidence?) Murphey's character changes quite a bit.

If anyone wants to help me out, I want to track the book numbers where it changes. I think she was Murphey originally, then became Murph as they got closer. And towards the end he called her Karrin a lot. That's all from memory though, and I want to track it down to be sure.

I remember at one point reading a WOJ commenting on a reader's observation about the nickname changing after that business in changes. He said something along the line of "I love an observant reader."
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Serack on April 30, 2014, 06:19:32 PM
Nifty necro! I was just thinking about this post yesterday as a matter of fact! I'm going to keep this post up to date as the new novels roll out. I still mean to go back and track the changes to Murphey's name. Harry changes her name as their relationship changes, and you especially notice it in the later books when (coincidence?) Murphey's character changes quite a bit.

If anyone wants to help me out, I want to track the book numbers where it changes. I think she was Murphey originally, then became Murph as they got closer. And towards the end he called her Karrin a lot. That's all from memory though, and I want to track it down to be sure.

I remember at one point reading a WOJ commenting on a reader's observation about the nickname changing after that business in changes. He said something along the line of "I love an observant reader."

It is possible that the topic will autolock again tonight.  If it does and you are to continue to edit it, you will either have to poke the curating staff to unlock it when you are ready to implement an edit (preferred that you already have it ready to plug in to avoid multiple unlocks for one editing session) or you may have to build a new, unautolocked version that can replace this one.

Edit:  Oh, and glad to see that you are looking forward to maintaining this reference.  I'm glad I clued into it when looking back at your old posts.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Quantus on April 30, 2014, 06:41:23 PM
Ooh, if there are going to be updates to the list, there's the bits from my first post, and also Darth Wannabe from Day Off
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Orbweaver on May 03, 2014, 12:34:38 AM
Interesting. My posts in this topic seem to have vanished.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Gigglestomp on May 29, 2014, 02:47:57 PM
Ok guys! Skin game is out! What can we add? =)
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Quantus on May 29, 2014, 03:33:23 PM
Well, offhand it really pissed Nicodemus off when Harry called him Nicky.  Not a supernatural thing methinks, but worth including for the sake of completeness. 

More to follow.



PS. Octokong.  Classic!
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: el_nino on July 29, 2014, 07:44:24 AM
i think theres a WOJ that harry starts calling her karrin after she agrees to help find maggie/become her guardian incase.
similarly with billy, in turn coat he acknowledges him as a grown guy who can take care of himself and starts calling him will.

also, do the ppl who believe harry has a unique abillity/power to name things think this will have some sort of an inverse effect on bjorn bjorgunnarson, the scandinavian warden who he doesnt refer to by the same name twice??
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Quantus on July 29, 2014, 12:26:07 PM
also, do the ppl who believe harry has a unique abillity/power to name things think this will have some sort of an inverse effect on bjorn bjorgunnarson, the scandinavian warden who he doesnt refer to by the same name twice??
Not so much, UnNaming would be harder I would think/hope, just like UnMaking a spell. 
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: KurtinStGeorge on November 28, 2014, 02:50:08 AM
In Skin Game, Harry shortens the name of Nic's new goon from Squire Jordan to simply Jordan.  It might be seen as a prelude to removing Jordan from service to Nicodemus. 
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Quantus on December 01, 2014, 03:48:18 PM
In Skin Game, Harry shortens the name of Nic's new goon from Squire Jordan to simply Jordan.  It might be seen as a prelude to removing Jordan from service to Nicodemus.
Possible I suppose, but I dont really think simply dropping an honorific would qualify, any more than omitting the Dr. from Butters or the Sgt. from Murphy.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Foxed on December 01, 2014, 05:54:20 PM
There's nothing magic about it, and maybe nothing conscious on Harry's part (then again, does Harry ever consciously Name someone?), but I think it does, in fact, matter.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Gigglestomp on December 04, 2014, 07:42:14 PM
There's nothing magic about it, and maybe nothing conscious on Harry's part (then again, does Harry ever consciously Name someone?), but I think it does, in fact, matter.

He actually does. He consciously names the Octokongs, and explains why.

It bothers him when scary things don't have a name. Unknown, unnamed, scary things are way scarier than something scary that has a name. He says he goes out of his way to name scary things.
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Quantus on December 04, 2014, 07:49:05 PM
It bothers him when scary things don't have a name. Unknown, unnamed, scary things are way scarier than something scary that has a name. He says he goes out of his way to name scary things.
Agreed.  And there are thing that dont have known names (like the Octokongs or the Chlorofiend) and then there are things that are actually Nameless, a term Demonreach itself used to describe some beings.  Which given the Nature of Names int he DV, is a whole other class of scary in my book
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Lawgiver on January 02, 2015, 10:49:04 PM
I was under the impression that it was a common Name for them in the supernatural community.  Like how they call themselves the Knights of the Cross but others call them the Knights of the Sword.  Granted its a name that Michael denounced in DM when talking about their real purpose and whatnot.

Regardless, I just did a search on every mention of it, and it not presented as something of harry's specifically like the other were, so I dont think it will be significant.
"Grey Council" was coined by Eb not Harry.

Turn Coat. Chapter 49, where Eb is escorting Harry from Edinburgh.

Quote
I thought about it for a minute. "You know that in every objective sense, we're making a Black Council of our own."

"Aye."

"So where does that leave us?"

"With pure hearts and good intentions," he answered. "Our strength shall be the strength of ten."

I snorted loudly.

Ebenezar smiled wearily. "Well, Hoss, we're not going to have much choice other than to be walking down some might dark alleys. And doing it in mighty questionable company. Maybe we should think of ourselves as... a Grey Council."

"Grey Council," I said. We started walking again....{snip}
Title: Re: Harry Naming Things
Post by: Quantus on January 05, 2015, 09:07:24 PM
"Grey Council" was coined by Eb not Harry.

Turn Coat. Chapter 49, where Eb is escorting Harry from Edinburgh.
Indeed.