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Title: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Adak on July 17, 2013, 08:40:19 AM
The problem with pizza was hinted by Lacuna in CD.  It's not firm at all, but she seemed rather distressed that they were eating it as if it could have some bad ramifications.  (they could be imagined, or the ramifications might only be important to someone with Lacuna's particular quirks, but they could be significant too)

I have thought that Lacuna was apposed to pizza and candy because she was a tooth fairy and apposed to any junk food, though I don't know of any confirmation of my guess.

Edit:  I thought the Lacuna=Tooth Faerie idea was so cool I exercised my curator powers to split that part of the topic off to make this dedicated topic for it.  This way others that aren't following the older topic are more likely to be exposed to it, and later it can be stored in the DFRC as a stand alone theory.  -Serack

Edit 2:  Jim said here (https://youtu.be/xRjFhIVliMU?t=595) that he kinda included who Lacuna is into her name.  Jump down to this post (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38660.msg1897859.html#msg1897859) to see how this discussion has already covered this. -Serack
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature
Post by: knnn on July 17, 2013, 11:47:30 AM
I have thought that Lacuna was apposed to pizza and candy because she was a tooth fairy and apposed to any junk food, though I don't know of any confirmation of my guess.

That is a really cool idea. I don't think I've seen that suggestion before.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature
Post by: 123456789blaaa on July 17, 2013, 12:03:18 PM
That is a really cool idea. I don't think I've seen that suggestion before.

That is a pretty cool idea. Kudos to Akak for coming up with it  :D.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature
Post by: Serack on July 17, 2013, 04:06:14 PM
I have thought that Lacuna was apposed to pizza and candy because she was a tooth fairy and apposed to any junk food, though I don't know of any confirmation of my guess.

*blink blink*

that's frikin awesome.

Edit:  I enshrined this theory in Elegast's Theory index here (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35806.msg1700733.html#msg1700733)
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature
Post by: Orbweaver on July 17, 2013, 04:16:53 PM
Out of curiosity, wouldn't the use of junk food accelerate the number of teeth that were falling out, thereby increasing the number of trades (and level of influence) the Faerie had across the board?

I'm a little more inclined to think that if Lacuna was a 'tooth' faerie, she'd want more teeth. Of course it's also possible that Sanya is correct, and Lacuna doesn't want the junk food because it's heavily addictive stuff (she seems to pride herself on her capabilities and knowledge).
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature
Post by: narphoenix on July 17, 2013, 04:22:13 PM
I have thought that Lacuna was apposed to pizza and candy because she was a tooth fairy and apposed to any junk food, though I don't know of any confirmation of my guess.

This. I wish I came up with this.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature
Post by: Serack on July 18, 2013, 11:32:13 AM
Out of curiosity, wouldn't the use of junk food accelerate the number of teeth that were falling out, thereby increasing the number of trades (and level of influence) the Faerie had across the board?

Unless she values quality over quantity
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature
Post by: Mira on July 18, 2013, 12:27:23 PM

  Yeah, poor Toot has tried so hard to please her..  Maybe some real dark 70% or higher cocoa content chocolate?  That is a health food after all.. ;D
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature
Post by: knnn on July 18, 2013, 01:44:48 PM
Some possible supporting evidence:

"Lacuna" is an actual music term, meaning a portion of the music when no notes are played -- a "missing piece".  Apparently (according to wikipedia) it's also used in text to describe a missing section. 

Thus, it would make sense that someone named Lacuna would deal in other "missing" things (e.g. teeth)....


Edit:  I'm adding this truely pertinant definition provided by another poster in another topic:-Serack, 1-14-2014
It has been noted that "Lacuna" literally means "gap", right ?

Not JUST gap either, but specifically :

2.

Anatomy

a cavity or depression, especially in bone.

After I saw you point that out on the other thread, I went and had a look. And I really don't know how anyone can think otherwise to the tooth fairy idea with that piece of information in mind. I mean, c'mon, it literally says CAVITY ;)

Sourced from google and dictionary.com -Serack
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature
Post by: Phaeton Seraph on July 18, 2013, 02:11:52 PM
Some possible supporting evidence:

"Lacuna" is an actual music term, meaning a portion of the music when no notes are played -- a "missing piece".  Apparently (according to wikipedia) it's also used in text to describe a missing section. 

Thus, it would make sense that someone named Lacuna would deal in other "missing" things (e.g. teeth)....

It can also mean amnesia in psychology.

However, it comes from the Latin lacus, also the origin of the English word "lake".  It can mean lake, pond or a vessel for holding water/liquid.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Quantus on July 18, 2013, 03:41:05 PM
Interesting theory.  Makes me wonder why she wanted to duel Toot and the others for the Pizza, though (see below). 

Ive been thinking that maybe it has something to do with the Fae views of Gifts and Repayment.  We know that the Fae are incapable of accepting a gift without giving something equivalent in return, and given how highly they regard pizza it's no surprise that Toot and Co have interpreted that as Lifelong Service and Loyalty.  When offered food Lacuna, by contrast, asked for weak tea, curdled milk, and one of the most nutritionally empty foods known to man.  Such foods would have less value by far that The Pizza.  If however, she dueled them for the Pizza, then it would be the spoils of war and not a gift....



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PS  Werent the original Tooth fairies little things that would eat your teeth, more of a tooth troll or something?

Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Adak on July 18, 2013, 04:51:16 PM
Thanks for the new topic. 

Interesting theory.  Makes me wonder why she wanted to duel Toot and the others for the Pizza, though (see below). 

Ive been thinking that maybe it has something to do with the Fae views of Gifts and Repayment.  We know that the Fae are incapable of accepting a gift without giving something equivalent in return, and given how highly they regard pizza it's no surprise that Toot and Co have interpreted that as Lifelong Service and Loyalty.  When offered food Lacuna, by contrast, asked for weak tea, curdled milk, and one of the most nutritionally empty foods known to man.  Such foods would have less value by far that The Pizza.  If however, she dueled them for the Pizza, then it would be the spoils of war and not a gift....

PS  Werent the original Tooth fairies little things that would eat your teeth, more of a tooth troll or something?

I like this as another possible reason for her aversion to pizza though I'm not sure it accounts for the fury in her voice when talking about children and candy.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Quantus on July 18, 2013, 06:09:01 PM
Hmmm, maybe the same reason:  too many artificial calories being given away for free?
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Phaeton Seraph on July 19, 2013, 06:22:55 AM
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they’re going to get that awful pizza all over themselves without the least regard for properly protecting themselves

I don't think it's teeth or empty calories.  She likes green tea and celery.  She's just a fey little Fae.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: KevinSig on July 19, 2013, 10:05:29 AM
While I love the notion that Lucuna is a tooth fairy, I'm sticking with my gut feeling that Lacuna was force fed by Ace, as Ace was trying to duplicate Harry's guard.  Lacuna thinks the pizza made her bigger, which from Toot, we understand is considered a bad thing.

Much like being fat.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Serack on July 19, 2013, 11:27:09 AM
While I love the notion that Lucuna is a tooth fairy, I'm sticking with my gut feeling that Lacuna was force fed by Ace, as Ace was trying to duplicate Harry's guard.  Lacuna thinks the pizza made her bigger, which from Toot, we understand is considered a bad thing.

Much like being fat.

First I'll admit that the below doesn't necessarily reflect on what Lacuna "thinks."  Heck Toot thinks washing himself will cause him to shrink like a wool sweater.  But I thought I'd quote it because it explains what is actually causing the Toot's growth.

Quote from: 2009 lexington signing
Q:  How big will Toot get?
A:  Depends on how much influence he has in the world.  That’s how the sidhe gain their size and power.  Mab wasn’t always as big as she is now.

Quote from: 2010 Bitten by Books Q&A:
#150 Is Toot-toot’s increase in size due to his actions, or the title and followers he has acquired doing Harry’s bidding?”
It’s due to /Harry’s/ actions, mostly. Toot done hitched his star to Harry’s wagon. As a result, he’s taken actions he never would have taken on his own, some of which had major consequences. Toot has effectively become a much more powerful being than he was as an independent dewdrop faerie. The physical growth is a reflection of that fact.
I mean gosh, where do you think the Sidhe came from in the first place?
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 19, 2013, 11:41:41 AM
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Quote from: 2009 lexington signing

    Q:  How big will Toot get?
    A:  Depends on how much influence he has in the world.  That’s how the sidhe gain their size and power.  Mab wasn’t always as big as she is now.


Quote from: 2010 Bitten by Books Q&A:

    #150 Is Toot-toot’s increase in size due to his actions, or the title and followers he has acquired doing Harry’s bidding?”
    It’s due to /Harry’s/ actions, mostly. Toot done hitched his star to Harry’s wagon. As a result, he’s taken actions he never would have taken on his own, some of which had major consequences. Toot has effectively become a much more powerful being than he was as an independent dewdrop faerie. The physical growth is a reflection of that fact.
    I mean gosh, where do you think the Sidhe came from in the first place?

 I hope this isn't hijacking the topic, but doesn't that WOJ contradict just a bit of what Mab said in CDs?  The hint that she was once human?  Here Jim seems to be saying that Mab might have been a dew drop fairy at one time..  Or most likely she was a changeling, thus half human and chose?  So implications for Molly, I still think she is a changeling or she couldn't have become one of the queens.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Quantus on July 19, 2013, 01:41:00 PM
I hope this isn't hijacking the topic, but doesn't that WOJ contradict just a bit of what Mab said in CDs?  The hint that she was once human?  Here Jim seems to be saying that Mab might have been a dew drop fairy at one time..  Or most likely she was a changeling, thus half human and chose?  So implications for Molly, I still think she is a changeling or she couldn't have become one of the queens.
Thats a strange and twisted topic.  From the books Ive always been under the impression that "Sidhe" referred to a specific race/breed of relatively humanoid Fae, and that they happened to be the ruling class of the Courts.  But there are recent WOJ's that define it as the top echelon of /any/ of the various fae races; so by that definition Sith, Erl, and the Reaper were all sidhe, even though they were a Maulk, a Goblin, and a Fetch, respectively.  So by that definition Toot could become a Sidhe if he gained sufficient power, regardless of his origins. 
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 19, 2013, 01:58:00 PM
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Thats a strange and twisted topic.  From the books Ive always been under the impression that "Sidhe" referred to a specific race/breed of relatively humanoid Fae, and that they happened to be the ruling class of the Courts.  But there are recent WOJ's that define it as the top echelon of /any/ of the various fae races; so by that definition Sith, Erl, and the Reaper were all sidhe, even though they were a Maulk, a Goblin, and a Fetch, respectively.  So by that definition Toot could become a Sidhe if he gained sufficient power, regardless of his origins. 
  Though after Maeve is killed and Harry confronts Mab, she admits to having been human once, or at least having human emotions... So she couldn't have started out as a dew drop fairy.   Though she could have been a changeling, thus at least half human before she became Winter Lady, this must be true for Titania as well because the implication is that she and Mab are indeed sisters, or did I read that wrong?
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Quantus on July 19, 2013, 02:42:02 PM
Your missing my point.  MAB may have been a changeling/Human before she became a fae, but that doesnt mean all of them are, or that all the fae that reach the level of sidhe have followed that path.  Sith is a Malk Sidhe, but I doubt he was ever human.  Same goes for the a number of the more un-anthropomorphized fae races, like the rawhead. 
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Serack on July 19, 2013, 02:54:41 PM
  Though after Maeve is killed and Harry confronts Mab, she admits to having been human once, or at least having human emotions... So she couldn't have started out as a dew drop fairy.   Though she could have been a changeling, thus at least half human before she became Winter Lady, this must be true for Titania as well because the implication is that she and Mab are indeed sisters, or did I read that wrong?

Yah this is an odd issue that has some realatively odd implications.  Notice also that Jim has said that all fae are at least partially mortal:

Quote from: WoJ
Exactly what are the Outsiders?  Are they like the fae, or are they something else entirely?
They are something else entirely.  All the fae are part mortal.  There is some bit of mortal in every single one of the fae.  The Outsiders are something that comes from way beyond that.  Their more the generic Hellboy fangs and tentacles croud. 


And to muddy things up even more, Jim implied... Hmmm by my interpretation he implied that the being that wears the Santa Clause mantle is only fae when he is fulfilling that roll/wearing that mantle. 

Is Kringle Fae?

Quote from: WoJ, 2013 KC signing
Is Kringle Fae? His mantle, yes, is part of the Winter Court. Which does not necessarily mean that he himself is Fae as much as the fact that his mantle is. While he’s there, he’s got to pay deference to Mab. If Mab gives him a command, he has to obey it. Mab’s too smart to throw him many commands, it’s much smarter to just let him do his thing. Because it’s this mysterious Christmas-y stuff anyway, cheer and goodwill, whatever. She supposes it’s good to have somebody like that for PR. That at times could be useful. It’s like, oh, so, Winter Court, whole season of death, evil, but then it’s like,  yeah, Christmas! Oh, wow, yeah, you’re right. It’s like the schools are trying to buy the tobacco company. **unintelligible** It’s something of the same thing. And besides which, if she doesn’t give him a bunch of orders and stuff, then basically, when she does go to him and say, “I need to know something”, that really, what can you do, this is our game of give-and-take. So, in a way, it’s not really a subservient relationship, Mab’s too smart for it to be that.


We also have this from the recent KC signing transcript:
Quote from: WoJ
The other question I had is, **unintelligible**…when a human takes on the mantle of a Fae, do they automatically become Fae? Do they lose their soul?

Ok, do they automatically become Fae, do they lose their soul? The answer to that question is “sort of”. Um, it’s automatic, but not necessarily instant. Mab herself was human once, and she eventually became the, uh, the fun-loving Mab that we all know. So, a lot of it has to do with who you are when you go into it, because most of the Fae were human once. A lot were born as half-bloods and decided to become Fae and sort of automatically got their **unintelligible**. But a lot of the other Fae who were there, including the Erl and several others, who were at one point humans….So, a lot of this is going to depend on who they  might end up being, a lot of it depends on who they are going into it and what kind of will they have to maintain who they are. That’s going to be a big deal. I’m really looking forward to writing the next books so I can see what happens with Molly, ‘cause I’m really not sure yet, I have a vague idea of what’s gonna happen, because basically she just got handed the largest, unruliest crowd of little brothers and sisters to deal with ever.

**Audience laughter**

But on the other hand, she’s kinda cool with that. She’s used to that role. So anyway, we’ll have to see what happens to her, but, uh, there’s a lot of choice involved **unintelligible** as far as soul goes. Everybody always talks about souls as if it’s something you can have a receipt for, that if you lose it, then it’s just gone, and I don’t think souls work that way, I think that there’s too much attached to them, I think that there are too many things that consist of what your soul is, so I don’t think this is kinda trying to figure “did you lose your soul?”, because I think you can lose your soul without bothering to stop by any kind of supernatural beings whatsoever. You know, if you watch the news, you’ll see people who do that all the time. But yeah, as far as The Dresden Files goes, as far as eternal damnation, etc., goes, no I don’t think that’s as much an issue for Molly as yet, it could sometime though. Whether Mab has some kind of spark of a soul left or not, that’s one of those questions that would be very difficult to answer, and I’m probably not smart enough to answer it. Probably, when you’ve gone so far down the road, just pure power is madness, it’s hard to hang on to your soul. And it depends on how people who have been handed all this extra stuff deal with it, and what that’s going to do for them in the long run. And it’s one of those long run kind of things, meaning you’re going to be stuck like that for 2,000 years, you don’t really have to go bad tomorrow, you have plenty of time yet to start growing mold on your conscience.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Rasins on July 19, 2013, 03:00:38 PM
I seem to recall someone mentioning at some time that perhaps Pizza is an addiction to the dewdrop faries.

If that's the case, does that make Harry the leader of a drug addicted army?  Harry's a pusher?

Wouldn't that just be Harry's luck?!

Za' Lord's Guard = Bunch of druggies being strung out to do Harry's will.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 19, 2013, 03:51:23 PM

   No disrespect, because I understand why he is doing it, but Jim seems to very vague and CHAing, to give himself more wiggle room as the series develops..  If the various rules for various creatures were too inflexible, it would ruin some rather dramatic moments..    Like the Sidhi and human emotion..   Supposedly they don't understand human emotions because they are not human.. Yet, Mab admitted to being once long ago and feeling grief for her daughter... One wonders is Titania more human?  Because she appeared to be out of her head with real grief for her daughter.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on July 19, 2013, 03:55:25 PM
I seem to recall someone mentioning at some time that perhaps Pizza is an addiction to the dewdrop faries.

I think that was me too.

Realising that for the last however many books he has been addicting a bunch of dewdrop fairies is exactly the sort of interesting direction of tormenting I can see Jim doing to Harry.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: exartiem on July 19, 2013, 04:15:43 PM
  Though after Maeve is killed and Harry confronts Mab, she admits to having been human once,

Point of clarification: Didn't Mab say she was mortal once, not human
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature
Post by: Stiletto on July 19, 2013, 06:37:57 PM
Out of curiosity, wouldn't the use of junk food accelerate the number of teeth that were falling out, thereby increasing the number of trades (and level of influence) the Faerie had across the board?

I'm a little more inclined to think that if Lacuna was a 'tooth' faerie, she'd want more teeth. Of course it's also possible that Sanya is correct, and Lacuna doesn't want the junk food because it's heavily addictive stuff (she seems to pride herself on her capabilities and knowledge).

Hah! The other day one of my 4 year olds said, "If you don't brush your teeth, they'll fall out, and the tooth fairy will come and give you money for them!!!"

I realized this was a dangerous idea. So I explained the tooth fairy only pays for clean, shiny teeth. The more sparkly the teeth, the more money the tooth fairy will leave. Crisis averted, I hope!
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: KevinSig on July 19, 2013, 08:09:22 PM
First I'll admit that the below doesn't necessarily reflect on what Lacuna "thinks."  Heck Toot thinks washing himself will cause him to shrink like a wool sweater.  But I thought I'd quote it because it explains what is actually causing the Toot's growth.

In my mind, Ace didn't know what made Toot bigger, or had any real notions of how Harry manipulated his Za Lord guard & thus just did everything Harry did.  Only getting his minions better equipment & tactics, after he figured out how to make it work.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 19, 2013, 09:25:35 PM
Point of clarification: Didn't Mab say she was mortal once, not human?
   It was said in the context of her grief, "human" grief over having killed her daughter... It was in a very human context.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: forumghost on July 20, 2013, 12:07:21 AM
   It was said in the context of her grief, "human" grief over having killed her daughter... It was in a very human context.

I agree, but generally speaking trusting context in a discussion with one of the fey is kinda capital S Stupid
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 20, 2013, 05:56:19 AM
I agree, but generally speaking trusting context in a discussion with one of the fey is kinda capital S Stupid
   Yeah, except this moment with Mab was different, for a nanosecond she became vulnerable, what is more allowed Harry to see it..  Good thing they were alone too, as Kringle pointed out, because if anyone had witnessed her showing a moment of weakness, Harry would have paid with his life.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on July 21, 2013, 03:23:37 AM
   Yeah, except this moment with Mab was different, for a nanosecond she became vulnerable, what is more allowed Harry to see it..

Think about how that affects how he sees her.

Think about how that effect might serve her; she knows showing weakness to one of her peers is a flaw, but showing that kind of weakness to Harry, she probably knows will prompt sympathy.

Think about why she might have chosen to allow Harry to see that.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: DCarpenter on July 21, 2013, 03:50:10 AM
Think about how that affects how he sees her.

Think about how that effect might serve her; she knows showing weakness to one of her peers is a flaw, but showing that kind of weakness to Harry, she probably knows will prompt sympathy.

Think about why she might have chosen to allow Harry to see that.

Harry has a weakness for women in distress.  Almost everyone knows this about him now.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again; it's going to get him killed.  It's rather quite surprising it hasn't already.  Certainly it's gotten him manipulated way too easily.  And Mab is probably one of the best manipulators we've seen so far.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on July 21, 2013, 03:53:57 AM
Harry has a weakness for women in distress.  Almost everyone knows this about him now.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again; it's going to get him killed.  It's rather quite surprising it hasn't already.

If you count Maggie as a woman in distress, it kind of has.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: DCarpenter on July 21, 2013, 04:12:58 AM
If you count Maggie as a woman in distress, it kind of has.

That's not what actually got him killed though, ironically.  A Fallen Angel lied to him, and he committed suicide.  It shouldn't have actually killed him.  It was one of the many close calls he's gotten himself into though.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 21, 2013, 04:43:40 AM
Think about how that affects how he sees her.

Think about how that effect might serve her; she knows showing weakness to one of her peers is a flaw, but showing that kind of weakness to Harry, she probably knows will prompt sympathy.

Think about why she might have chosen to allow Harry to see that.
  Harry still knows it is Mab and not some poor damsel.  Mother tigers may have tender moments with their cubs, but it doesn't change what they are.  Even if he did as you say, Kringle's warning about her afterwards would disabuse him of any notion like that.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on July 21, 2013, 04:52:14 AM
  Harry still knows it is Mab and not some poor damsel.  Mother tigers may have tender moments with their cubs, but it doesn't change what they are.  Even if he did as you say, Kringle's warning about her afterwards would disabuse him of any notion like that.

Your first and last sentence there both require Harry to be rational and sensible rather than going with an emotional reaction.  This seems unlikely to me.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Arjan on July 21, 2013, 07:31:25 AM
Your first and last sentence there both require Harry to be rational and sensible rather than going with an emotional reaction.  This seems unlikely to me.
He is still vulnerable to it but not as vulnerable as he used to be.

But there is something else in this scene. Mostly Harry tells his story as he experienced it at that point in time but here he abandons this point of view and tells us that this was the only time Mab showed this kind of vulnerability to him ever. Here is an older, wiser and more experienced Harry speaking and I think we should take that seriously.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Viktor on July 21, 2013, 07:52:42 AM
Yah this is an odd issue that has some realatively odd implications.  Notice also that Jim has said that all fae are at least partially mortal:
 

And to muddy things up even more, Jim implied... Hmmm by my interpretation he implied that the being that wears the Santa Clause mantle is only fae when he is fulfilling that roll/wearing that mantle. 

Is Kringle Fae?
 

We also have this from the recent KC signing transcript:

I think a better question is... With the Winter Mantle, is Harry now part Fae? We don't know if it bestows longevity on the wielder, but it does give them a faes' weakness to iron/steel - see Harry & Fix getting hit with nails and losing their respective bonuses from Summer & Winter.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: kytheros on July 21, 2013, 08:49:07 AM
I think a better question is... With the Winter Mantle, is Harry now part Fae? We don't know if it bestows longevity on the wielder, but it does give them a faes' weakness to iron/steel - see Harry & Fix getting hit with nails and losing their respective bonuses from Summer & Winter.
I'm unconvinced that they're inherently any more vulnerable to iron/steel than before the Mantles. My read on it was more that the iron blocked the Fae power from doing anything for them, thus dropping them back to where they'd be without the Mantle, which is a sudden shock to the system, especially the longer and more dependent/used the Mantle has been.
I suspect that the situation is more akin to that of Odin/Kringle - While actively wearing the Fae-origin Mantle, they've got Fae weaknesses and limits, but if they were to somehow learn how to not be actively wearing the Mantle while still possessing it, they would not have those weaknesses and limits.

Odin/Kringle is treated as Fae (for most purposes) while he has the Kringle Mantle active, but when he shuts it down to switch over to Odin, he is no longer treated as Fae, but he is always treated as Aesir.

I think an analogy would be ... psychoactive skins (from D&D3.xe, psionics) - you can have more than one on your skin, but only one is active/primary at a time. With mantles, you can have more than one, but only one is active/primary at a time, though with mantles you probably get some passive benefits for mantles that aren't currently active/primary.


As for Harry's longevity ... I doubt we'll ever see it, although Fix's predecessor (?Raoul?) was pretty old but apparently sufficiently fit that he could probably have beaten Slate had he not been bushwhacked. The Fae Knighthood Mantles may well increase longevity, but Harry's already a wizard - and a powerful one - so his natural lifespan was already substantially greater than his probable life expectancy (let's face it, he's never gonna be able to afford life insurance). I suspect that the Knighthood Mantles help keep their bearers physically fit and able longer, even if they don't actively extend lifespan, plus the whole gaining Fae magic may also have an effect similar to that of humans having magic, although that is purely speculative.
Most Knights are generally interchangeable/readily replaced, however, so I'm uncertain as to whether or not the Fae would care to invest the power to actively boost the Knights' lifespans beyond the passive effects inherent in enhanced physical fitness and health plus the magic channeling aspects. Besides, Knights aren't likely to die of old age anyways, and are probably fairly likely to die fairly young while in combat with someone or something.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 21, 2013, 10:59:30 AM
Your first and last sentence there both require Harry to be rational and sensible rather than going with an emotional reaction.  This seems unlikely to me.
  Well, check out Jim's reading of the first four chapters of Skin Game.. Harry doesn't seem very sympathetic nor more cooperative with Mab than he was before Maeve was killed.  Mab actually has to blackmail him with impending death by parasite, his and his family and friends before he does cooperate..
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: TheCuriousFan on July 21, 2013, 11:15:46 AM
  Well, check out Jim's reading of the first four chapters of Skin Game.. *snip*

Please put a spoiler tag over those Skin Game spoilers.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Mira on July 21, 2013, 03:35:38 PM
Please put a spoiler tag over those Skin Game spoilers.
  Sorry about that, thought the spoiler tag in the heading was enough.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Viktor on July 21, 2013, 05:39:43 PM
I'm unconvinced that they're inherently any more vulnerable to iron/steel than before the Mantles. My read on it was more that the iron blocked the Fae power from doing anything for them, thus dropping them back to where they'd be without the Mantle, which is a sudden shock to the system, especially the longer and more dependent/used the Mantle has been.
I suspect that the situation is more akin to that of Odin/Kringle - While actively wearing the Fae-origin Mantle, they've got Fae weaknesses and limits, but if they were to somehow learn how to not be actively wearing the Mantle while still possessing it, they would not have those weaknesses and limits.

Odin/Kringle is treated as Fae (for most purposes) while he has the Kringle Mantle active, but when he shuts it down to switch over to Odin, he is no longer treated as Fae, but he is always treated as Aesir.

I think an analogy would be ... psychoactive skins (from D&D3.xe, psionics) - you can have more than one on your skin, but only one is active/primary at a time. With mantles, you can have more than one, but only one is active/primary at a time, though with mantles you probably get some passive benefits for mantles that aren't currently active/primary.


As for Harry's longevity ... I doubt we'll ever see it, although Fix's predecessor (?Raoul?) was pretty old but apparently sufficiently fit that he could probably have beaten Slate had he not been bushwhacked. The Fae Knighthood Mantles may well increase longevity, but Harry's already a wizard - and a powerful one - so his natural lifespan was already substantially greater than his probable life expectancy (let's face it, he's never gonna be able to afford life insurance). I suspect that the Knighthood Mantles help keep their bearers physically fit and able longer, even if they don't actively extend lifespan, plus the whole gaining Fae magic may also have an effect similar to that of humans having magic, although that is purely speculative.
Most Knights are generally interchangeable/readily replaced, however, so I'm uncertain as to whether or not the Fae would care to invest the power to actively boost the Knights' lifespans beyond the passive effects inherent in enhanced physical fitness and health plus the magic channeling aspects. Besides, Knights aren't likely to die of old age anyways, and are probably fairly likely to die fairly young while in combat with someone or something.

Well, yes. I don't think Iron/Steel is going to do to Harry/Fix what it would do to someone like Toot or a Gruff (Harry & fixs' wounds didn't burning at the touch of said metal).

Isn't that cutting the hair a bit fine though? For all intents and purposes, Harry does have Fae weaknesses now - when iron pierces his skin he is put into extreme pain, any pain he had is now magnified because Mab's "pain threshold" settings get temporarily set aside, and he finds it hard to even think. Yes he now knows that he can set aside the Mantle/Mask somehow like Kringle does, but until he does, it's part of him.

Therefore since he has Fae weaknesses, and he HAS to obey Mab's laws or the Mantle powers get withdrawn. He's part Fae, even if it wasn't something with which he was born. It's... like an infection I suppose. ;)
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: DCarpenter on July 21, 2013, 06:10:21 PM
  Sorry about that, thought the spoiler tag in the heading was enough.

There's still no spoiler tag.  And the heading is for Cold Days.  You're post has spoilers for the beginning of Skin Games.  I'd really appreciate it if you refrain from that in the future.  Some of us like to wait to learn anything about the book until it actually comes out and we can actually read it.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: vultur on July 21, 2013, 07:16:36 PM
Isn't that cutting the hair a bit fine though? For all intents and purposes, Harry does have Fae weaknesses now - when iron pierces his skin he is put into extreme pain, any pain he had is now magnified because Mab's "pain threshold" settings get temporarily set aside, and he finds it hard to even think.

I'm not sure it's quite the same thing. AIUI, iron piercing his skin causes extreme pain because of the puncture wound, not because Harry is burned by iron. If it weren't iron, his Winter Knight stuff would kick in and block the pain, but he's no more affected by being stabbed with iron than he was as a normal mortal wizard... I think (could be wrong though).

Just contact with iron doesn't affect him at all, while it does to a true Fae - to them it's "a poison, body and spirit".
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: DCarpenter on July 21, 2013, 07:51:20 PM
This thread has gone way off topic.  Since I largely helped derail it, I figured I'd try to bring it back.

Assuming Lacuna is a tooth fairy, how do we think that will affect her character arc?  Will she have interactions with Maggie?  Maybe Harry can trade her teeth from the Carpenter kids for her loyalty (only slightly a joke).

And did we ever find out if she was wyldfae or summer?
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Adak on July 21, 2013, 09:19:47 PM
Not really having to do with the nature of Lacuna but I would like to see Harry assign her to be a guardian/messenger for him to Maggie.  Harry has Toot to be Captain of his house guard, Lacuna could become that for Maggie.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: kazimmoinuddin on July 22, 2013, 06:00:29 AM
 Can the guard be trained to take pictures using an older camera?

 Will harry get the number of her armorer and weapon smith? Imagine his guard out fitted just like her.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Quantus on July 22, 2013, 12:39:53 PM
I think it more likely that Lacuna will end up serving Molly more than taking on a leadership role in the Guard.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: amblybiguity on June 14, 2016, 04:03:48 PM
While I love the notion that Lucuna is a tooth fairy, I'm sticking with my gut feeling that Lacuna was force fed by Ace, as Ace was trying to duplicate Harry's guard.  Lacuna thinks the pizza made her bigger, which from Toot, we understand is considered a bad thing.

Much like being fat.

I don't think its the pizza making Toot bigger. I think its the experiences. He's taking on bigger, more serious roles. The more responsibility, courage, and serious triumphs he takes, I think he'll become more like a Sidhe than a pixie. I think Lacuna is similar.  I think its a metaphor for leaving childhood (little pixies are very innocent (peter pan like) and fickle) and growing into adulthood.

Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Serack on June 16, 2016, 01:18:00 PM
Just an FYI, I edited a comment into the OP that Jim has confirmed that a hint to the secret of her identity is embedded into her name.
Title: Re: Lacuna's true nature (theory) [CD Spoilers]
Post by: Cozarkian on October 03, 2016, 06:08:08 PM
Awesome theory. I happen to be listening to Cold Days and James Masters delivers Lacuna's line about candy on Halloween with disgust, followed shortly by her flinging Toot-Toot's gift of candy into the garbage disposal. Also, the hooks on her armor could be the heads of the dentist scraper's designed for removing plaque.

I'm pretty certain there is some text with Harry narrating about the Sidhe and explaining that the tooth fairy is real, he knows her and she is seriously scary. Harry has also narrated about Santa in a similar fashion, and we've now met him, so why not the tooth fairy, too?