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Title: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: Ren on July 08, 2013, 05:51:42 PM
Do those of you who have beta readers require an NDA before letting them read?
Is it something that should be done?
I've gotten enough written that I think I can start considering official Beta-readers instead of the one friend I have reading it now.
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: LizW65 on July 09, 2013, 01:07:02 AM
Nope, just people I trust who have good instincts regarding fiction.
If you're Stephen King or J.K. Rowling or somebody like that it might be a good idea, though.
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on July 09, 2013, 03:19:24 AM
Do those of you who have beta readers require an NDA before letting them read?
Is it something that should be done?

If you are wary enough of someone to think of offering them an NDA, I doubt you should be considering them as a beta in the first place.
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: The Deposed King on July 09, 2013, 04:39:35 AM
If you are wary enough of someone to think of offering them an NDA, I doubt you should be considering them as a beta in the first place.

Yeah.  Beta's are just people too.  Frankly I've found the gaumat runs from people you know to out and out strangers.  And if you don't like their feedback you either cut them off right then and there.  Or else finish your novel and don't invite them again.

But NDA?  I don't even know what the name means and I've already got 4 full novels and a novella up on amazon.



The Deposed King
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on July 09, 2013, 12:32:45 PM
But NDA?  I don't even know what the name means and I've already got 4 full novels and a novella up on amazon.

Non-Disclosure Agreement. 
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: Ren on July 09, 2013, 08:42:32 PM
Thanks for the info, just wanted to be sure.
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: The Deposed King on July 10, 2013, 02:52:38 AM
I'd just make sure you have time and date stamps on your files.  Like on your computer.  Then if you post on somewhere like here you also have time and date stamps.  I've not had a problem yet.  The other thing I've heard about is getting an ISBN as soon as you get ready to publish.

I think if you get big this is something you want to do. But I've yet to really get people pirating my stuff.  And that's general pirates at large.  I can't swear my beta's haven't shared with friends.  But I haven't seen any files cropping up on the web.


The Deposed King
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on July 10, 2013, 02:36:58 PM
I'd just make sure you have time and date stamps on your files.  Like on your computer.  Then if you post on somewhere like here you also have time and date stamps.

It occurs to me I may have been taking something for granted that I shouldn't, here.

The absolute minimum safe number of backup copies to have of something you are working on is three, one of which lives in a different geographical location from the other two.  A trusted friend or beta, or a dedicated gmail account for sending things to yourself, will work for that. If you do that sensibly the time and datestamps should happen automatically.
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: The Deposed King on July 10, 2013, 03:06:34 PM
It occurs to me I may have been taking something for granted that I shouldn't, here.

The absolute minimum safe number of backup copies to have of something you are working on is three, one of which lives in a different geographical location from the other two.  A trusted friend or beta, or a dedicated gmail account for sending things to yourself, will work for that. If you do that sensibly the time and datestamps should happen automatically.

1)Laptop

2)Flash Drive

3)Yahoo E-Mail


That works well for me.  I haven't lost anything unreplacable that I am actively working on yet.



The Deposed King
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: Anei on July 10, 2013, 09:50:44 PM
Doesn't GMail sell your emails? Not like to anyone worth being annoyed about, but just little advertisers. Or is that only in-line text?
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: Wordmaker on July 13, 2013, 08:55:52 AM
I only use people I trust as beta readers. They're some of my closest friends and wouldn't even let another friend read anything I send without my permission.
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: The Deposed King on July 13, 2013, 12:03:24 PM
I only use people I trust as beta readers. They're some of my closest friends and wouldn't even let another friend read anything I send without my permission.

I've had beta readers who were fans of my previous books and I didn't know them other than an e-mail requesting to join my beta reader group.  Of course that book came out within a couple weeks of them joining...

With you and your extended publishing schedule that might be more problematic.  But so far (fingers crossed) I've had not issues.



The Deposed King
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: Wordmaker on July 13, 2013, 02:35:59 PM
Yes, if you have a faster release schedule or the story is part of an existing series either already on contract or in publication, you can afford to extend your trust that much further.

Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: Sully on July 26, 2013, 04:16:32 PM
Doesn't GMail sell your emails? Not like to anyone worth being annoyed about, but just little advertisers. Or is that only in-line text?

They analyze them so they know what ads to offer you. Not the same thing as selling. Nobody sees them.


Well, other than the NSA, of course. ::)
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: Aminar on July 26, 2013, 06:40:49 PM
They analyze them so they know what ads to offer you. Not the same thing as selling. Nobody sees them.


Well, other than the NSA, of course. ::)
Any chance the NSA will publish my novel if I throw a bunch of terroristy keywords into the header?
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: Anei on July 27, 2013, 02:33:24 AM
They analyze them so they know what ads to offer you. Not the same thing as selling. Nobody sees them.


Well, other than the NSA, of course. ::)

Ah, ok. I hadn't really looked into it, it's good to know that distinction.
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: Necromancer on July 27, 2013, 08:30:47 PM
They analyze them so they know what ads to offer you. Not the same thing as selling. Nobody sees them.


Well, other than the NSA, of course. ::)

The NSA has not the time nor the care to read your e-mail unless it contains a series of keywords. That said,

Any chance the NSA will publish my novel if I throw a bunch of terroristy keywords into the header?

This made me laugh out loud, would be hilarious if the first line of the e-mail was, "now that I have your attention"
Title: Re: Question on Beta-Readers
Post by: Paynesgrey on July 28, 2013, 12:42:43 AM
No NDA's for me.  My betas are all friends, I pay them in beef jerky, kind words, and promises of a t-shirt if I ever sell enough books to have a few t-shirts made.  In some cases I have the pleasure of providing my own rudimentary attempts at being beta for their work.

For storage, I use laptop, email, and dropbox as well as the odd flash drive.  And my betas have copies in their emails should I ever have a total crapocalypse.