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Title: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 12, 2012, 08:00:23 PM
Theories index

What is it?

An attempt to gather all the theories concerning the Dresden Files. This is NOT a place to make new theories.  All theories should be posted in their own thread.

How can I help?

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Yes, Cthulhu has a hat. The editor said so.

The only way to keep this thread up-to-date and exhaustive is to share the work between the forum members. I would be glad if some forum members could take the time to share their theories on this thread.

Only theories which have already been widely discussed/criticized by the community can be nominated: typically, that means at least a thread dedicated to it.

A theory is expected to come as a one sentence proposition (it can be right or wrong).

BAD:
Why has Harry build LC? (That's not a statement, it can't be right or wrong)

GOOD:
 A. A. Summers is Aurora's daughter (Slate as the father?)

BETTER: add a link to the theory
A. A. Summers is Aurora's daughter (Slate as the father?) (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35615.msg1691994.html#msg1691994))

BEST: add a link to the profile of the user who proposed the theory
A. A. Summers is Aurora's daughter (Slate as the father?) (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35615.msg1691994.html#msg1691994))-GrandPanjandrum (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=2496)

I reserve the right to refuse a theory if no link is given with it.

How are the theories organized?

The theories are gathered in three different categories:

Mystery solving theories :
those are theories trying to solve a problem that Jim has been specifically dangling right before our noses. Example: "Mab fixed Little Chicago". Harry and Bob spend many lines explaining that there is a mystery to solve. Those have far better chances of success, and have less unexpected solution.

WAG (Wild Ass Guess (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Wild-Ass_Guess)) :
 that's a theory which basically creates a problem where there may be none, and then solves it. Example: "Harry=Kemmler". We know who Harry is, we know who Kemmler is, so there was no real problem in the first place. Those theories have lower probabilities of success, but when they are right it's quite spectacular.

Mini-theories
not plot-relevant, and few argument for/against.

Inside a category
Subjects are ordered alphabetically

Inside a subject
Theories are ordered by credibility.

Conventions
Theories about published books in mystery-solving section, future ones in WAG.

How are the theories rated?

I gave the theories ratings to give newcomers a vague idea of the strength of a theory according to the prevailing consensus on the boards. I could not (I had not the courage ;)) to organize a poll for all theories, so I classified them in a very subjective manner in four categories:
75%-100% chances of being true
35%-75% chances of being true
15%-35% chances of being true
0%-15% chances of being true

I still followed some principles:

Green is for nearly certain
 
I gave green rating only there is WOJ (Word of Jim (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,21772.0.html)) supporting it (Mab captured Molly), or if a scene in the books shows it (Odin leader of the Hunt).

Blue is the default for great mystery solving theories

Ex: Cowl=Simon

Orange is the default for great  WAGs

Ex: Infected objects come the hoard of Siriothiax. The rating may seem harsh, but those theories tend to fail: for instance the 'Statue in Graceland was made with Demonreach's stone' was great, but failed simply because Jim hadn't thought about it.

All time-travel/mind-wipe are viewed with suspicion

I gave a red rating to all Time-travel theories, except the Little Chicago one which is very strong and solving a mystery.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"(Sagan)

When rating, I'm not measuring the quality of the theory, but comparing the strength of the claim to the evidence provided.

Ex: my Blackstaff= Raven Banner, where I'm actually arguing that a walking stick in wood is a banner, gets immediately thrown into red.

How to change the rating of a theory?

The easiest way: ask me on this thread, I'll comply in most cases.

The best way: make a poll. Any poll with more than 20 answers supersedes the previous rating.
 
Who can edit the index?

Serack, Knnn, TheCuriousFan, Elegast.
Title: Re: [All series spoilers] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 12, 2012, 08:00:35 PM
75%-100% chance of being true
35%-75% chance of being true
15%-35% chance of being true
0%-15% chance of being true


Mystery solving theories from A to L


Black Court
There is a link between the Black Court and the outsiders. Very strong evidence  or Highly Speculative (missing WOJ)
Black court vampires have gone beyond the outer gates. Speculative

Blackstaff
The Blackstaff is Mother Winter's walking stick. (Reference (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35568.0.html), Discussion (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35014.0.html)) Very strong evidence 
The Blackstaff is the Raven Banner. (Source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35568.0.html)) -Elegast (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=24683) Highly speculative
The Blackstaff is Dagda's staff. (Source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35014.0.html)) Bakoro (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35014.msg1679558.html#msg1679558) Highly speculative

Blood Rites
Mavra under veil seen in Sight behind Kincaid. Speculative
Mavra's objectives were: revenge on the White Court, planning DB. Speculative

Calvin & Hobbs comic
Mab brought it. -MsDuck (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=1950) Strong evidence
Time-travelling Harry brought it. Speculative
   
Changes
The bloodcurse true target was Merlin. Speculative -GrandPanjandrum (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=2496)

Cowl
Cowl = Simon (Reference (http://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,35160.0.html)) Strong evidence
Cowl is a fomor. -MsDuck (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=1950) Speculative
Cowl = Klaus (Reference (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35160.0.html)) Speculative
Cowl = Harry Highly speculative
Cowl = Gatekeeper Highly speculative
Cowl = Justin Highly speculative
Cowl is an incarnation of Nyarlathotep. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36753.msg1772482.html#msg1772482)) Wizard Nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=43206) Highly speculative

Dead Beat
Word of Kemmler was "released" to trap (and kill) Kemmlerites.  -the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=974) Speculative
Kincaid was working for Mavra. Speculative
Cowl wanted the Darkhallow to fail.  -the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=974) Highly speculative

Demonreach
Merlin is trapped in Demonreach. Very strong evidence
Tartarus is on the other side.Strong evidence
Hell is on the other side. Speculative

Father Vincent
His flesh was used to make a suit. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32996.0.html)) -KevinSig (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=17957) Speculative

Fitz
Fitz is the son of Terra West. (Source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,27953.0.html)) -Serack (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=23736) Very strong evidence

Grey Chrysler attack (PG)
Ace Strong evidence
Time-travelling Harry Speculative
Gatekeeper Speculative
Larry Fowler Highly speculative
Vampire Highly speculative

Hexenwulfen belts/Love Hurts/Storm Front (analysis of the problem (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36011.msg1711107.html#msg1711107))
There is a connection between whoever gave out the Hexenwulf belts in Fool Moon, the Love Hurt seat belts. Cenphx (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=40787) Strong evidence
The reds made the HW belts.  Speculative (reference (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36012.msg1712359.html#msg1712359))
Mavra made the HW belts. Speculative (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36012.msg1712732.html#msg1712732))
Raith made the HW belts. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,31967.0.html)) Speculative
Erlking made the HW belts. (discussion (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32068.0.html), source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32663.msg1452282.html#msg1452282)) Speculative
Cowl made the belts. Speculative
Luccio was implicated. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36012.msg1711196.html#msg1711196))  Speculative

Kumori
Kumori = Larisa Yevtushenko  -Elegast (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=24683) Strong evidence
Kumori = Elaine Speculative
Kumori = Molly  Highly speculative

Little Chicago (Doylist analysis of LC (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33984.0.html))
Time Travel Harry fixed LC.  (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32143.0.html), discussion/reference (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32143.msg1399037.html#msg1399037)) -Gryffin612 (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=6825) Strong evidence
Thomas was present when LC was fixed. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,31689.0.html))  -Serack (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=23736) Strong evidence
Mab fixed LC. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,27096.0.html), source 2 (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32663.msg1452190.html#msg1452190)) -MsDuck (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=1950) -AcornArmy (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=4388)  Speculative
The Gatekeeper fixed LC. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36977.0.html)) Highly speculative
Title: Re: [All series spoilers] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 12, 2012, 08:00:46 PM
Mystery solving theories from M to Z


Mac
Mac is a Grigori/former angel. Strong evidence
Mac is Heimdall. Speculative

Mothers Winter/Summer
Their name is Gaia. -Dust Bunny (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=42871)  Speculative
They are the White God.  Highly speculative
Their name is Sekmet/Hathor.(source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35012.msg1701101.html#msg1701101)) -GrandPanjandrum (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=2496) Highly speculative

Namshiel's coin
Mab took it. Speculative
Hendricks took it. Speculative
Marcone took it Speculative
Eldest gruff took it. Highly speculative

Proven Guilty (Pre-Cold Days: source (neuro) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,10792.0.html), source (Knnn) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,26853.0.html), discussion about Knnn's work (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,30711.0.html),discussion (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32166.0.html), Post-Cold Days:source/reference (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35451.0.html), Post CD 2.0 (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,43840.0.html))
Mab wanted to kidnap Molly. Very strong evidence
Mab didn't want Harry to pour Summer fire in the Well. Strong evidence
The Gatekeeper wanted to prevent the infection of Molly. Strong evidence
Maeve was at Splattercon disguised as a vampire. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32220.0.html)) -Elegast (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=24683) Strong evidence
Eldest Fetch is infected/possessed by an outsider. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,10792.msg440528.html#msg440528))-the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=974) Strong evidence
Nemesis wanted to pour Summer fire in the Well. Speculative

Relics/Weapons from Hades' vault in Skin Game
Discussion 1 (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,45385.0.html), Discussion 2 (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,45369.0.html).

Small Favor (Pre-CD: source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32048.0.html) Post CD:source/reference (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35401.0.html))
Nemesis moved first. Strong evidence
The denarians wanted to kidnap Ivy from the very beginning. Strong evidence
Nemesis wanted to weaken the accords. Strong evidence
Nicodemus was tricked by Namshiel, he's not infected. Strong evidence
Titania simply countered Mab (it's a responsibility OR communication breakdown). Strong evidence
Janitor at the train station is Uriel.  Strong evidence
Nemesis wanted to infect Ivy. Speculative
Maeve sent the Hob Speculative

Swords
Thomas will get Amoracchius. Speculative
Faith Astor will get Fidelacchius. Highly speculative

Victor Sells
He was trained the Reds. Strong evidence
He was trained by Mavra. Speculative
He was trained by Raith. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,31967.0.html)) Speculative
He was trained by Luccio. Highly speculative
Title: Re: [All series spoilers] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 12, 2012, 08:01:00 PM
WAG from A to L


A.A. Summers
A. A. Summers is Aurora's daughter (Slate as the father?). (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35615.msg1691994.html#msg1691994))-GrandPanjandrum (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=2496) Speculative

Aesir
The Aesir were the guardians of the Outer Gates preceding the Unseelie (Winter) court. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36509.0.html)) -Mortax (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=27044) & Electric MacButters (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=26838) Speculative

BAT (Big Apocalyptic Trilogy)
Reference topic (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38032.0.html) 123456789blaaa (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=39434)

Black Court
The surviving member of the Black Court are plotting their revenge. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32663.msg1452233.html#msg1452233)) -MsDuck (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=1950) Speculative

Blackstaff
The Blackstaff is similar to mordite (black tendrils), and it can cure the infection. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35138.msg1677801.html))-Knnn (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=5102) Speculative

Book 19
Harry will be summoned. Speculative
 
Cowl
Cowl's true aim is the extermination of the vampires. Speculative

Demonreach
The roots of Yggdrasil go into Demonreach. Speculative
Demonreach is Avalon (apples). Speculative
Demonreach made Harry Warden because he is a blood relation to Merlin. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,34997.msg1701568.html#msg1701568)) -Tami Seven (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=42670) Speculative

Dresden Files
Dresden Files are an actual journal that Harry is writing. Very strong evidence

Drakul
Is the scion of a Demon. Strong evidence
Is the scion of a Dragon. Speculative

Elaine
Elaine carried the infection to Aurora. Speculative

Erlking
The Erlking will eventually be changed by Harry nicknaming him Erl in Changes.  -TheCuriousFan (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=38647) Highly speculative

Harry
Harry is also infected by Nemesis.  Speculative
Harry is Merlin's descendant (and Odin's).  Speculative
Harry = Merlin Highly speculative
Harry = Kemmler (Reference (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,34887.0.html)) Highly speculative
Harry = Gatekeeper Highly speculative

Hendriks
His sword is Gram. -MsDuck (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=1950) Speculative

Infection
Source of infection is Maggie Sr. -SirBrettski  (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=20805)Speculative
Source of infection is Lord Raith. -SirBrettski  (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=20805)Speculative
Wizards can break their oaths when infected. Speculative

Kemmler
William Kemmler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kemmler), first electric chair execution = DF Kemmler Highly speculative

Kincaid
Kincaid is Dracula's brother. -madness (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=41249) Speculative

Langtry
The Merlin is a member of the grey council. Speculative

Lara
Is controlled by Thomas. Highly speculative

Lasciel
Lasciel has been speaking in Harry's head since TC. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28970.0.html)) Speculative

Little Chicago
Mab removed from Harry's and Bob's mind the knowledge of LC in SmF. -MsDuck (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=1950) Strong evidence
LC was a Chekov's gun. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33984.0.html)) -Serack (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=23736) Speculative
LC became sentient. Highly speculative

Luccio
Luccio is evil. Cenphx (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=40787) Highly speculative
Title: Re: [All series spoilers] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 12, 2012, 08:01:13 PM
WAG from M to Z


Mab
Mab has been playing with Harry's head in TC. -MsDuck (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=1950) Strong evidence
Mab wanted to bring Harry to DR. -MsDuck (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=1950) Speculative
Mab still has a soul. (source) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,37254.0.html) 123456789blaaa (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=39434) Speculative

Margaret le Fey
Margaret made contact with Outsiders during her travels. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28692.0.html)) Speculative
Margret & Lord Raith timed conceiving Thomas so he would be born on Halloween.  (Source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35806.msg2015292.html#msg2015292))-Tami Seven (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=42670) Speculative

Marlings
Marlings is BC/infected. Speculative
Marlings is a Malvora (homeless shelter, name). Speculative

Marci
Marci is  a plant. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28606.0.html)) -KevinSig (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=17957) Strong evidence
Marci = Carmilla -MsDuck (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=1950) Speculative

Marcone
Marcone is Odin's descendant. -MsDuck (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=1950) Strong evidence

Mavra
Mavra main motivation is revenge on the White Court. Speculative
Mavra = Morgan le fey (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35990.0.html)) GrandPanjandrum (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=2496) Highly speculative

Merlin
Merlin's magic comes from Atlantis. Speculative
Merlin = Odin  (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36778.0.html)) Highly speculative
Merlin is an Einherjar. -TheCuriousFan (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=38647) Highly speculative

Mirror-Mirror (book 17)
Marcone is the hero, Harry is more evil. Speculative
Morgan is there. Speculative

Molly
Molly=Mab (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,18530.0.html), revamped source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32663.msg1452169.html#msg1452169)) -MsDuck (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=1950) Highly speculative
This topic is a forum legend -Serack
Molly has changeling blood (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,46429.0.html) -Quantus (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=5072)

Morgan le fey (Morgana)
Morgana was infected. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35969.0.html)) -Knnn (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=5102) Speculative
Mavra = Morgana  (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35990.15.html), discussion (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36870.0.html)) -GrandPanjandrum (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=2496) Highly speculative

Mortimer
There is something fishy about Mort's hairstyle and domicile changes through the series. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32830.msg1468715.html#msg1468715)) -Serack (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=23736)  Speculative
Mortimer's fishy appearance and domain changes are caused by time line fluctuations.(source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36986.msg1790980.html#msg1790980)) Wizard Nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=43206) Highly speculative

Mouse (Analysis of Mouse's origines (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32720.0.html))
cowl has mouse's sibling.Highly speculative

Mortal Magic
MM can open the OuterGates due to free will. -Richard Chilton (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=24871) Strong evidence
Black magic taint is the infection. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35138.msg1677801.html#msg1677801)) -Knnn (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=5102) Speculative
The Laws were created as a defense against the infection. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35138.msg1677801.html#msg1677801)) Knnn (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=5102) Speculative
Black magic activity help the Outsiders to cross into the mortal world.(source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36238.0.html)) Cenphx (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=40787) Speculative
The Laws are focused on restraining wizards from doing too much harm to humanity. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,39794.0.html)) -Serack (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=23736) Speculative
Mortal magic comes from the outside. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35338.0.html)) -Lunyboy (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=15930) Highly speculative
All Wizards have Fae blood in the family history. Highly speculative

Mothers (and the queens)
Mother Winter is Death. -Dust Bunny (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=42871) Strong evidence
4 sets of teeth corresponds to the weapons of death during the Apocalypse: wild beast, sword, famine, plague. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35568.msg1691844.html#msg1691844))-Elegast (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=24683) Speculative
The Summer and Winter mantles are related to Nidhogg and the Eagle on Yggdrasil (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,41217.0.html)) Bacail (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=27737)  Speculative
The bad guys aim is to kill Death (Mother Winter) -MsDuck (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=1950) Speculative

Namshiel
Namshiel has been working for Mab all along (opened the way in PG, took the coins in TC). -the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=974) Highly speculative

Nemesis
Nemesis is a blood born contagion. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36848.0.html)) Cenphx (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=40787) Speculative
Nemesis is the missing 3rd fate. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36753.0.html)) Wizard Nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=43206) Highly speculative

NeverNever
Travel between the NN and Earth depends on the person opening the portal as well as geography. -the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=974) Highly speculative
The NN, which exists in multiple dimensions, contains vast numbers of alternate worlds. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35811.0.html)) Highly speculative

Nick Christian
Nick Christian (running a business called Angel Investigations) is working for Uriel. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36930.msg1782751.html#msg1782751))-GrandPanjandrum (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=2496) Highly speculative

Numerology
The denarians come back in books 5*N  Very strong evidence

Odin
Is one of the leaders of the Hunt. -MsDuck (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=1950) Very strong evidence
Odin = Merlin (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36778.0.html)) Highly speculative

Outsiders
Meta theory/reference on Magic Vs Outsiders (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,39153.0.html) -Serack
The third walker is an infiltrator/spy: He-Who-Walks-Beneath, or He-Who-Walks-Besides, He-Who-Walkes-Between.(source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35072.msg1676177.html#msg1676177) ) Cenphx (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=40787) Speculative
This parasite walker is in Raith, or Harry. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35072.msg1676177.html#msg1676177)) Cenphx (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=40787) Speculative
The third walker is Nemesis. -123456789blaa (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=39434) Highly speculative
The 3rd Walker is Loki. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,37591.msg1846410.html#msg1846410)) Electric MacButters (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36367.msg1736357.html#msg1736357) Highly speculative
Outsiders = Tehom (source) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38033.0.html) 123456789blaaa (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=39434) Highly speculative

Peabody
Peabody was connected to Cowl and/or the Fomors (mildew smell). Strong evidence

Sidhe
All Sidhe Royalty have to be related to Humans. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,34997.msg1701081.html#msg1701081)) -Tami Seven (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=42670) Strong evidence

Starborn
Starborn = (at least partially) wizard parent + "good" parent (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,26853.0.html)) -Knnn (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=5102) Speculative
Uriel, Mab, and Odin teamed up to spawn a Starborn to fight in the coming big showdown (aka Team UMO) (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40670.0.html))-neuro (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=974) Speculative
Alternative to team UMO (Grey Council) ([u=http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,44599.0.html]source[/u]) -Foxed (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=47336)

Time Travel
Odin saw Future Harry in the past. Speculative

Vault 7
The 5 artefacts will be used for a summon. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,41331.0.html)) cornyphil (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=6007) Speculative

Whispers
Some of Harry's inner monologue is actually a third party manipulating him. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28050.0.html)) Highly speculative
Title: Re: [All series spoilers] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 12, 2012, 08:01:25 PM
Mini-theories


Fairies
Fairies speak Gaelic. Strong evidence
Lacuna is a Tooth Faerie (explains her aversion to junk food). (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38660.0.html)) Adak (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=44738) Speculative

Dead Beat
Harry is on Demonreach during his dream. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32945.0.html)) Strong evidence
Cowl used the Leyline of disruptive energy mentioned by Luccio in SmF to cast and maintain the sustained citywide hex. (Source) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32963.0.html) -TheCuriousFan (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=38647)  Strong evidence

Deirdre
The name of Deirdre's fallen is "Urumiel" taken from the name of this sword, the Urumi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urumi), which resembled her hair(source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,43287.0.html)) Tami Seven (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=42670)

Harry Dresden
He used "pyrofuego" for the first time to kill DuMorne. -TheCuriousFan (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=38647) Speculative

Joan of Arc
Joan of Arc was a denarian. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,39560.0.html)) -Fangz Highly speculative

Martha Liberty
Martha is the head of the WC secret services. Highly speculative

Mother Winter
Is Baba Yaga Very strong evidence

Numerology
Number 12 linked to stability (and 5 to twelve, as the faces of a Dodecahedron has 5 sides) Speculative

Spooks
There was a government agent in the garden in Cold Days. Newfang09 (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=18849) Speculative

Swords
Raphael-Charity, Michel-Hope, Gabriel-Faith. Speculative

Uriel
Had a cameo way back in Fool Moon (Source) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40988.0.html) -Serack (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=23736) Highly speculative

Yggdrasil
It was seen in Changes, when Harry in the NN with Gard.  Strong evidence
Is the roots seen all the way down at the bottom of "the well" (Demonreach). Speculative
Title: Re: [All series spoilers] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 12, 2012, 08:01:37 PM
Old theories (Theories which used to be in the index, but failed or were confirmed)


Bob
Bob and Evil Bob have merged. Highly speculative
Bob is infected. Highly speculative

Infection
All the infected objects come from the hoard of Siriothax. -Knnn (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=5102) Speculative (wrong by WOJ)
The Word of Kemmler, the jewel given to Ferrovax, came from the hoard of Siriothax. -Knnn (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=5102) Speculative (wrong by WOJ)

Kemmler
"Tsar Bomb" was Kemmler's death curse. Speculative (wrong by WOJ)

Lash (Discussion about Lash, Lasciel and Harry (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,31428.0.html))
Lash used soulfire to rebel. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,27090.0.html))-Serack (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=23736) Speculative
Uriel helped Lash to come back. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,27090.0.html))-Serack (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=23736) Speculative
The replacement home Harry is going to make for Bob will either end up being Lash's residence. Speculative
Lash will be united with Persephone. Highly speculative

Headaches
Lash is coming back. Very strong evidence
Mab's mental magic. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32663.msg1452169.html#msg1452169)) -MsDuck (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=1950) Speculative
a parasite Walker/lash fighting. aShorty21 (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=41139) Highly speculative

Murphy
Murphy has taken up a Sword.  -Haru (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=4316) Strong evidence
Murphy has taken up a coin. -Haru (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=4316) Speculative
Murphy is a Valkyrie. Speculative

Numerology
vampires come back in books 3*N  Strong evidence (failed in Skin Game)

Parasite (answered in Skin Game)
Reference list of potential "infection vectors" (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38643.0.html)
Reference of many of the popular Parasite theories (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38643.0.html)
parasite = Lash Very strong evidence
parasite = a walker Speculative
parasite = Nemesis Speculative
parasite = Lash infected by Nemesis (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38667.0.html)) -Second Aristh (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=39662)
Arianna is the parasite in Harry's head. (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35880.0.html)) -GrandPanjandrum (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=2496) Highly speculative

Shadow
Shadow = Lasciel Very strong evidence (confirmed in Skin Game)

Skin Game
Object to steal: coin, Speculative
spear of destiny Speculative
Lash will take Bob's new home Speculative
Lasciel's new host is Anna Valmont Speculative
'Bag Man' refers to the firbolgs.Wizard Nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=43206)  Speculative

Swords
Murphy will get Fidelacchius. Strong evidence
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on December 12, 2012, 08:21:40 PM
.WAG Swings (Simple and not much support, but hey, one might knock it out of the park come BAT time)

Demonreach
demonreach's limp was cause by the physical representation of a glacier, possibly its genus loci. not a literal, "a glacier hit DR on the leg and hurt him" incident.

Harry
Harry will become the Blackstaff
When Molly removed Harry's memories in Changes, she inadvertently changed him, due her love for him.

Harry's conception
1. Lord Raith planned on having a second child with Margaret, one born to have power over Outsiders.
2. Lord Raith planned on using a young Thomas as a sacrifice in a type of Accession ritual that would have made the child even more powerful.
3. Lord Raith knew Margaret was pregnant and aimed his Entropy Curse, not at her but at the baby so he could get her back.
4. Margaret found out about Lard Raith's Curse, that it would hit at Midnight of October 31st.
5. Margaret induced labor early using magic.
6. Margaret deflected the Curse from the baby to herself.
7. With Margret's death, LR gave up on the idea of using Thomas as a sacrifice, until BR.
8. Lord Raith believed both the child and the mother had died.
9. Cowl was one of Maggie's circle, traveling with her into the NeverNever.
10. While a 'Good' man produces a Starborn to oppose the Outsiders, a 'Bad' man can father a Starborn who would be a leader of the Outsiders, a link between worlds who would help them.

Maggie Sr
maggie had lasciel's coin

Merlin
merlins squishy existence is in a pocket dimension created within DR.

Nemesis
morgana is Nemesis

Red Court
Dhampires have special abilities.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on December 12, 2012, 08:35:18 PM
Quote
Serack's unsubstantiated WAGS (recording them here, indexing isn't exactly necessary)

The replacement home Harry is going to make for Bob will either end up being Lash's residence, or will be Lash's beta residence. (12/30/12)

Arjan beat me to this idea.  He first said it 11/30/12

By the way, This topic is the index that my DFRC sticky wishes it could have grown up to be.  This kind of thing is what the DFRC was created for.  The original index might end up being necessary to keep an index of raw references that aren't so much involved with theorizing, but other than that, this topic might end up displacing it's main purpose if we can get it to exaustively link to all the DFRC theorys.

I like that it started life in the spoilers section though because as Cthulu says, We need some help from everybody to make sure that it is populated with all the cool little theorys and has proper citations to the sources that can be found.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 12, 2012, 08:39:09 PM
The original index might end up being necessary to keep an index of raw references that aren't so much involved with theorizing

The original index will remain necessary: many references threads don't fit, some threads are worth keeping but make no theory/prediction.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: knnn on December 12, 2012, 08:42:27 PM
Making some edits.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Ms Duck on December 12, 2012, 08:58:01 PM
The NN, which exists in multiple dimensions, contains vast numbers of alternate worlds specualtive, will have to be re written as original post is long gone



-good job.  ;D 


Added.Elegast
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: knnn on December 12, 2012, 09:00:02 PM
The NN, which exists in multiple dimensions, contains vast numbers of alternate worlds specualtive, will have to be re written as original post is long gone

Good one!

There is a WoJ (Mirror Mirror) + Odin's talk in CD, so I think the rank should be higher.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Ms Duck on December 12, 2012, 09:06:06 PM
Good one!

There is a WoJ (Mirror Mirror) + Odin's talk in CD, so I think the rank should be higher.

id call it specualtive because when i posted it two years ago it caused a minor flame war. over the power ratigns i gave the death star vs the doomsday machine of all things.. lol
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: knnn on December 12, 2012, 09:14:44 PM
id call it specualtive because when i posted it two years ago it caused a minor flame war. over the power ratigns i gave the death star vs the doomsday machine of all things.. lol

That's only because you were totally wrong about DD.    ;D ;D
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Ms Duck on December 12, 2012, 10:26:52 PM
its up...

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35811.0.html (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35811.0.html)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Cenphx on December 12, 2012, 11:22:35 PM
I'm not sure how you want this sourcing to happen, so I think this is information you could add to your list, but I'm not entirely sure...

WAG


Outsiders
the third walker is an infiltrator/spy: He-Who-Walks-Beneath, or He-Who-Walks-Besides SpeculativeCenphx (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=40787)
this parasite walker is in Raith, or Harry Cenphx (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=40787) Speculative


Here are the threads for the ideas you are referencing, with dates and my summary of what the theory was as it relates to the topics you listed. I'm not sure whether the theory should be under "Outsiders", "Harry" or the "Parasite", so I'll leave that up to you.

Parasite = walker placed inside Harry’s head when he was attacked at age 16
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32084.msg1395852.html#msg1395852
April 29, 2012
Parasite = walker placed inside Harry’s head when he was attacked at age 16 = He Who Walks Within
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35072.msg1676177.html#msg1676177
November 28, 2012
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 12, 2012, 11:55:15 PM
I'm not sure how you want this sourcing to happen, so I think this is information you could add to your list, but I'm not entirely sure...


Here are the threads for the ideas you are referencing, with dates and my summary of what the theory was as it relates to the topics you listed. I'm not sure whether the theory should be under "Outsiders", "Harry" or the "Parasite", so I'll leave that up to you.

Parasite = walker placed inside Harry’s head when he was attacked at age 16
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32084.msg1395852.html#msg1395852
April 29, 2012
Parasite = walker placed inside Harry’s head when he was attacked at age 16 = He Who Walks Within
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35072.msg1676177.html#msg1676177
November 28, 2012

Thx.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Vairelome on December 13, 2012, 07:10:10 AM
The parasite = Lash and whispering shadow = Lasciel theories should be mentioned, but sourcing will be a bit of a pain due to the multiplicity of threads discussing them in the months after GS was released.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 13, 2012, 07:19:42 AM
murphy is shown in harry's sight as a fallen angel because every little girl is daddy's angel an she started her decent after his apparent 'suicide'. source- (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35631.msg1693565.html#msg1693565)wizard nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Tami Seven on December 13, 2012, 07:32:54 AM
BAMF!
karrin hit rock bottom on the scale of sword welder to punisher. she was wicked like. of course you have to fall to pick yourself up. i feel karrin appeared in harry's sight as a fallen angel because every little girl is daddy's angel. his 'suicide' began her decent but she clung to her job and the redemption it offered before. without it she dropped like a stone. i think her bizarre behavior in CD is simply a rekindling of faith that will resolve when she finds out what really happened. this may involve mort as he said they speak. also notice her dad works for uriel, this implies his death was particularly unbalanced somehow. (woj practically confirms it was just assumed a suicide)
this is one theory i know is originated with me. others were paralleled in like minded geniuses 8)

You need to state it as one sentence, as per the op instructions. 
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 13, 2012, 01:05:34 PM
The parasite = Lash and whispering shadow = Lasciel theories should be mentioned, but sourcing will be a bit of a pain due to the multiplicity of threads discussing them in the months after GS was released.

Sourcing is really hard for existing theories. Some are very old, so it's impossible to find the first post. Some are younger (Blackstaff is MW's staff), but there so many posts/threads saying so it's really hard to identify the first one. In other cases it's the origine is fuzzy: the Gaia hypothesis for the Mothers: I was the author of the first post linking Gaia and Mother Summer, but in the end I attributed to Dust Bunny as he was the first one to extend it to both mothers.

Conclusion: nominate your own theories, it's the best way to see faithful attribution.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 13, 2012, 01:21:06 PM
thomas will take up the sword of love and change the way his demon feeds with it.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Tami Seven on December 13, 2012, 01:49:59 PM
My Theories:

1. Demonreach made Harry Warden because he is a Blood Relation to Merlin

Support for Harry is a Blood descendent of Merlin (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,34997.msg1701568.html#msg1701568)

2. Kincaid is the Venatori enforcer

3. All Wizards have Fae blood in the family history

4. All Sidhe Royalty have to be related to Humans
Relationship between Sidhe Royalty/Wizards/Humans (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,34997.msg1701081.html#msg1701081)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 13, 2012, 01:57:57 PM
when jim had to switch DB and PG he intentionally created a time loop in the books, behind the scenes.
source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?topic=36133.45)-source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35790.msg1700130.html#msg1700130)-wizard nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile)

Elegast i invoke thee to look at my updated theory.(i explain it better)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Tami Seven on December 13, 2012, 02:10:53 PM
some of those are hard to define as 'your theories'

I'm still new here, so if any of them don't qualify I'll let the experts judge. It's fine with me. Just thought I'd try to contribute any way I could.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Ms Duck on December 13, 2012, 02:48:01 PM
I'm still new here, so if any of them don't qualify I'll let the experts judge. It's fine with me. Just thought I'd try to contribute any way I could.

and contributions are appreciated ;)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: dpara on December 13, 2012, 02:53:26 PM
I think this is also worthy of inclusion under Mothers Winter/Summer: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35012.msg1701101.html#msg1701101
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: MilknCookies on December 13, 2012, 04:00:15 PM
Black Council

There are three senior black council members, who wield mortal wizard powers, built three time missile barges separately.

Logical evidence:
Building three barges separately and simultaneously minimize chance of discovery. Having one being build all three seem an ineligant and slow strategy. Harry "the help" had to be rushed out to assist with this surprise attack.

Speculative evidence:
Mac tells Harry there are three. Possibly, he means three dark wizards, not three outsiders. Why send only one Walker to demonreach, if there are three Walkers.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 13, 2012, 07:36:12 PM
Quote
some of those are hard to define as 'your theories'

I'm still new here, so if any of them don't qualify I'll let the experts judge. It's fine with me. Just thought I'd try to contribute any way I could.

Thx for helping. The truth is that no one on those board can tell with certitude the origine of every single theory.

My Theories:

1. Demonreach made Harry Warden because he is a Blood Relation to Merlin

Support for Harry is a Blood descendent of Merlin (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,34997.msg1701568.html#msg1701568)

2. Kincaid is the Venatori enforcer

3. All Wizards have Fae blood in the family history

4. All Sidhe Royalty have to be related to Humans
Relationship between Sidhe Royalty/Wizards/Humans (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,34997.msg1701081.html#msg1701081)

1 and 4 are new, 3 was popular after Kincaid's remark in Blood Rites (Ms Duck may have been one of its advocate), never heard of 2, could you give a link?
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Tami Seven on December 13, 2012, 08:16:59 PM
I'm still new here, so if any of them don't qualify I'll let the experts judge. It's fine with me. Just thought I'd try to contribute any way I could.

Thx for helping. The truth is that no one on those board can tell with certitude the origine of every single theory.

1 and 4 are new, 3 was popular after Kincaid's remark in Blood Rites (Ms Duck may have been one of its advocate), never heard of 2, could you give a link?

2 is brand new, just thought of it so there is no link.  Thomas said to Bob in Backup that he might get a bullet in the head if the other Venatori found out he was telling Bob about the war. Made sense to me that Kincaid would be the one sent out to deliver that bullet,   
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 13, 2012, 08:24:42 PM
some of those are hard to define as 'your theories'

Let me quote from the forum policies (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,23096.0.html):
Quote
--Acknowledge other people, assume good will, be quick to praise and slow to criticize, add knowledge, offer help, be slow to anger, apologize when wrong, politely ask for clarification, and exercise patience when your temper flares.

Example:
Thanks to Tami Seven for helping us build the theory index.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Tami Seven on December 13, 2012, 09:12:58 PM
Let me quote from the forum policies (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,23096.0.html):
Example:
Thanks to Tami Seven for helping us build the theory index.

Thank you.  :)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Cenphx on December 13, 2012, 09:15:23 PM
There is a connection between whoever gave out the Hexenwulf belts in Fool Moon, the Love Hurt seat belts, and the Entropy curse in Blood Rites.  (knnn takes this one step further and theorizes that these items (and others, I think) came from a Dragon’s hoard. Therefore, you may consider my point subsumed into that topic—if so, ignore this post!!  :) )
April 29, 2012 (and December 6, 2012)
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32068.msg1395892.html#msg1395892
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32068.msg1396616.html#msg1396616
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35556.msg1690086.html#msg1690086
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 13, 2012, 09:21:49 PM
There is a connection between whoever gave out the Hexenwulf belts in Fool Moon, the Love Hurt seat belts, and the Entropy curse in Blood Rites.  (knnn takes this one step further and theorizes that these items (and others, I think) came from a Dragon’s hoard. Therefore, you may consider my point subsumed into that topic—if so, ignore this post!!  :) )
April 29, 2012 (and December 6, 2012)
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32068.msg1395892.html#msg1395892
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32068.msg1396616.html#msg1396616
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35556.msg1690086.html#msg1690086

Good point.

No need to give dates for threads which are already in the DF reference collection: the dates are there to save threads from autodelete, which deletes every thread after one year in the spoiler section.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 13, 2012, 09:36:35 PM
Let me quote from the forum policies (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,23096.0.html):
Example:
Thanks to Tami Seven for helping us build the theory index.
its just that, for instance, five seconds after reading MS saying 'we' i said 'gaia'. i also declared wizards to have fae blood, without reading any threads about it. its cool an all i'm not a glory hog, i just wanted to point it out.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 13, 2012, 09:45:35 PM
five seconds after reading MS saying 'we' i said 'gaia'.

It took me four seconds.  8)    ;D
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Ms Duck on December 14, 2012, 01:09:46 AM
I'm still new here, so if any of them don't qualify I'll let the experts judge. It's fine with me. Just thought I'd try to contribute any way I could.

Thx for helping. The truth is that no one on those board can tell with certitude the origine of every single theory.

1 and 4 are new, 3 was popular after Kincaid's remark in Blood Rites (Ms Duck may have been one of its advocate), never heard of 2, could you give a link?

I rember three - Harry not being fully human- but my ideas on it have been pretty fully discredited by now ( Jim said Oberon is dead, and my idea that Lea was Maggie sr 's mom is also toast)

anyone who wants to rebuild it after I got totaly flattened/trashed/ proved wrong is more than welcome to try :D
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Cenphx on December 14, 2012, 01:20:57 AM
I don’t want to take credit for the ideas generated by others—it came up in my thread but the idea that Lash and a Walker might be battling in Harry’s head and causing the headaches (which appears in your “Headaches” topic in the Mystery Solving Theories) was proposed nearly in tandem by
J_M (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=20165) and aShorty21 (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=41139) here: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35072.msg1676177.html#msg1676177

I feel like I am nitpicking you to death (like being nibbled to death by ducks, no offense to Ms. Duck). Do you want input like this or is it driving you crazy? You’re doing an awesome job with something the forum really needs and I am trying to help but can definitely pipe down if I am just gumming up the works!!
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Sydna on December 14, 2012, 01:24:21 AM
Number one has been discussed before. They even went further and said Odin was Merlin's father. One reason Odin interested himself in Red Court business. It was even suggested the sacrifice could have taken him out.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 14, 2012, 01:27:35 AM
I feel like I am nitpicking you to death (like being nibbled to death by ducks, no offense to Ms. Duck). Do you want input like this or is it driving you crazy?

No you're right: proper attribution is really important, but it's really hard so I just guess with a quick search, until someone corrects me.  :)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: kytheros on December 14, 2012, 10:57:12 AM
I rember three - Harry not being fully human- but my ideas on it have been pretty fully discredited by now ( Jim said Oberon is dead, and my idea that Lea was Maggie sr 's mom is also toast)

anyone who wants to rebuild it after I got totaly flattened/trashed/ proved wrong is more than welcome to try :D
Harry not being fully human would have to either be from the paternal side, or something that Maggie LeFay had as well, and probablly Eb McCoy too, though likely they would have been unaware of their nonhuman side.
If, as the speculation goes, McCoy/Maggie/Dresden are blood descendants of Merlin (not just master/apprentice descendants), that's likely the most probable source for being partially nonhuman through Maggie, as in a whole lot of tales Merlin is some variety of nonstandard/partial human.

I think that Jim's precise wording regarding Oberon's fate was that he "didn't make it" ... which certainly implies that he's dead ... but I suppose he could be locked up somewhere unpleasant (Demonreach?) and unable to escape Mab/Titania's wrath.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on December 14, 2012, 02:59:01 PM
its just that, for instance, five seconds after reading MS saying 'we' i said 'gaia'. i also declared wizards to have fae blood, without reading any threads about it. its cool an all i'm not a glory hog, i just wanted to point it out.

This is why I think that many of these indexed theories shouldn't be cited to a "single" theorizer.  Another example is that probably a majority of people who heard the WoJ about both Lasciel and Lash being in GS by other names immediately thought of the shadow for Lasciel, then vascillated between proxies in the graveyard and the Parasite for Lash.  IMO nobody owns/originated those theories because they are pratically self evident, however they do belong in the "Index" and it is nice to have a "reference" thread to associate with them that discusses all the merrits and evidence behind them since the index should be as brief as possible.

As someone who has built a few reference threads, there are a few grey areas for this concept for me.  The theory about something being fishy with Mort's hair and domicile is something that I find rather self evident, but I'm rather confident that I am the first person to point it out publically.  However, in the reference/source I most recently built to cover it, I acknoledged (Probably obliquely, I haven't reviewed it lately though) that the Beta's were aware of it before I was, and thus it isn't origional to me.  This is the best way I know of to deal with these grey areas.  That is, to have a "Reference"/"Source" link in the index that also acknoledges the other contributions to the theory.

This also goes a long ways towards furthering the forum policy Elegast pointed out earlier:
Quote
--Acknowledge other people, assume good will, be quick to praise and slow to criticize, add knowledge, offer help, be slow to anger, apologize when wrong, politely ask for clarification, and exercise patience when your temper flares.


The application of which is one of the reasons why these boards are such a great corner of the interwebs.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 14, 2012, 03:24:14 PM
This is why I think that many of these indexed theories shouldn't be cited to a "single" theorizer.

It's a very difficult problem. Scientists spent hundreds of years trying to solve it, so we are not going to find a perfect solution anyway.

 The problem is that many theories fit the same lifecycle: they start as a single sentence in a thread, then there are many discussion threads of increasingly high quality, then comes a discussion which is so good that all the info on the subject is gathered, then comes a reference thread which wrap-up everything in a single post. For the Blackstaff, the entire cycle took less than three weeks. Who should we credit?

I credited no one, as you can see, for the most basic assumption (Blackstaff is MW's walking stick), but I gave credit for derivative theories (MW is Death, Blackstaff=raven Banner). That's a very subjective process, any idea on how to improve it is welcome.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on December 14, 2012, 03:35:08 PM
It's a very difficult problem. Scientists spent hundreds of years trying to solve it, so we are not going to find a perfect solution anyway.

 The problem is that many theories fit the same lifecycle: they start as a single sentence in a thread, then there are many discussion threads of increasingly high quality, then comes a discussion which is so good that all the info on the subject is gathered, then comes a reference thread which wrap-up everything in a single post. For the Blackstaff, the entire cycle took less than three weeks. Who should we credit?

I credited no one, as you can see, for the most basic assumption (Blackstaff is MW's walking stick), but I gave credit for derivative theories (MW is Death, Blackstaff=raven Banner). That's a very subjective process, any idea on how to improve it is welcome.

Oh, lemebeclear, I think you are doing a great job, I just wanted to point all that out for the sake of all the citation suggestions that have been coming out.

This is a huge project that you are taking on, and the index framework that you have hashed out works really well (some committee input did take place, but you are the executor, and get to take ownership of the awesomeness of the results :) )
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Tami Seven on December 14, 2012, 03:36:31 PM
It's a very difficult problem. Scientists spent hundreds of years trying to solve it, so we are not going to find a perfect solution anyway.

 The problem is that many theories fit the same lifecycle: they start as a single sentence in a thread, then there are many discussion threads of increasingly high quality, then comes a discussion which is so good that all the info on the subject is gathered, then comes a reference thread which wrap-up everything in a single post. For the Blackstaff, the entire cycle took less than three weeks. Who should we credit?

I credited no one, as you can see, for the most basic assumption (Blackstaff is MW's walking stick), but I gave credit for derivative theories (MW is Death, Blackstaff=raven Banner). That's a very subjective process, any idea on how to improve it is welcome.

My ego isn't so great that I would need to have my name attached to a theory.  If others feel the same way it might be best to not use names but keep links to the most relevant discussions on it. 
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 14, 2012, 03:37:08 PM
Omogh is of the same species a of giant as gog and magog
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35845.15.html

Could you start a thread about it?

Gog and Magog are also biblical figures, but I'm too ignorant about them to rate the theory without seeing the reaction of the community.

As a rule, if your theory is new or obscure, plz start a thread about it, or it's really hard for me to estimate if it's a good or not.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 14, 2012, 03:42:30 PM
My ego isn't so great that I would need to have my name attached to a theory.

But some theories are clearly the creation of a single poster. The Molly=Mab of Ms Duck being the most famous example.

Concerning ego, mine is big enough to be proud of my Maeve theory. ;D

Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 14, 2012, 03:44:41 PM
'bag man' is a firbolg. source- (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35861.0.html)wizard nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile)
i'm proud of this one, if its wrong i'll eat my fedora ;D

Added.Elegast
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 14, 2012, 04:31:54 PM
black court vampires have gone beyond the outer gates.source- (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35856.0.html)wizard nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile)

Added.Elegast
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Ms Duck on December 14, 2012, 04:45:40 PM
Oh, lemebeclear, I think you are doing a great job, I just wanted to point all that out for the sake of all the citation suggestions that have been coming out.

This is a huge project that you are taking on, and the index framework that you have hashed out works really well (some committee input did take place, but you are the executor, and get to take ownership of the awesomeness of the results :) )

agreed !

a lot of these theories are very much joint efforts; Molly/Mab may have come out of me having way too much starbucks icecream one night but without the input of Landing, Piotr and the two of you it never would have become remotely coherent or plausible.

maybe when making theories, a citaiton/ thanks note would be appropriate?
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Cenphx on December 14, 2012, 04:47:24 PM
Hey Serack-having read your comment about the citation suggesion, of which ive made a couple :), I was wondering if you and/or Elegast could provide some direction on what would be helpful suggestions for us forum-ites to make? I remember that for the Reference Collection thread nominations, there were some critieria you all used to decide which theories/threads would count? Could you outline some criteria you would like us to use here? That might help keep our suggestions to the most useful ones.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on December 14, 2012, 05:19:26 PM
Hey Serack-having read your comment about the citation suggesion, of which ive made a couple :), I was wondering if you and/or Elegast could provide some direction on what would be helpful suggestions for us forum-ites to make? I remember that for the Reference Collection thread nominations, there were some critieria you all used to decide which theories/threads would count? Could you outline some criteria you would like us to use here? That might help keep our suggestions to the most useful ones.

Well, the whole DFRC concept is a living idea that still evolves, and we have 2 new great curators that have already started adding some of their own touch to it much to its benefit!

I am going to answer this question in two ways. 

First is a some emphasis on technical formatting of suggestions for this index:
From experience, what Elegast is doing here is a great deal of work, and the closest you can come to making a suggestion something that he can straight copy/paste into the index the better.  He also has the ability to pull the code directly from your post, so posting suggestions in accordance with his original guidelines really goes a long way in making things work well for him:
A theory is expected to come as a one sentence proposition (it can be right or wrong).

BAD:
Why has Harry build LC? (That's not a statement, it can't be right or wrong)

GOOD:
 A. A. Summers is Aurora's daughter (Slate as the father?)

BETTER: add a link to the theory
A. A. Summers is Aurora's daughter (Slate as the father?) (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35615.msg1691994.html#msg1691994))

BEST: add a link to the profile of the owner of the theory
A. A. Summers is Aurora's daughter (Slate as the father?) (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35615.msg1691994.html#msg1691994))-GrandPanjandrum (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=2496)

Also, Elegast didn't mention it, but the reason why some sources have "* Date" tacked on is to emphasize to the Special Collections Division that these topics are still subject to autodelete monster consumption.  It is general policy to only move topics to the DFRC once they are "mature" and are not subject to active or feverent discussion/contribution.  (Hence this index we are currently discussing being in the "Spoilers" section as of this comment).  This keeps the bulk of active discussion in the Spoilers section, and keeps the DFRC set appart as a more quiet reference section with dusty tomes.  (I don't think I make a very hot librarian though...  I guess I could shoot for a Rupert Giles look though)

The second part of my answer to this question is a little less concrete.  I can't say what type of ideas/posts belong indexed because my limited impression of what makes a good theory post keeps getting stretched beyond my imagination by so many awesome contributions to the forums. 

However, I will say that if you remember a discussion regarding a theory that took place within the past year or so (or is contained in the DFRC or other archives) do your best to try to dig it up (the advanced search function buried in the search tab near the top left of the page is pretty powerful once you get good at tweaking your searches, although some of the recent forum code updates have caused it to throw lots of false hits that fill up the 25 hit limit crowding out the good ones).  And if you can't find a topic that you think does the subject justice, then I love seeing people create their own :)

Also, I posted a few suggestions for building a topic that is intended to serve as a major theory/reference thread here (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33124.0.html) when the DFRC first was created

Edit:  it looks as though Elegast did an excellent job of answering this question from another (probably more pertinant) angle in a post below.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on December 14, 2012, 05:20:20 PM
Woops, I hit post on the wrong topic, having multiple ones up at once... I reserve the right to add a few extra thoughts to the above post, since I wasn't quite finished with it ;)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 14, 2012, 05:22:05 PM
I remember that for the Reference Collection thread nominations, there were some critieria you all used to decide which theories/threads would count?

We should check with Serack, who is the founder/owner the Reference Collection, but to my knowledge there is no formalized criteria to include threads on the DFRC.

The fundamental question is: do we want to save the thread from the auto-deletion monster?

In practice, the threads being kept fall in five categories:

Theory
A thread where a new theory is explained.
Example: Serack's Lash theory (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,27090.0.html)

Discusion
That's a thread where the OP is often weak, but the following replies are strong.
Example: conversation about the Blackstaff (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35014.0.html)

Fun
Those are just fun threads.
Example:Knnn's code (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,20198.0.html)

Factual references
those threads try to collect all the fact on an aspect of the DF
Example: the legendary timeline of Priscillie (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,1592.0.html)

References about theories
A thread where the OP try to gather all the knowledge about a theory in a single post. (often the knowledge is spread in many thread, with no coherent organisation/structure).
Example: my Cowl = Kemmler (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35160.0.html) thread.


Concerning the threads I would like to see: I'm hoping someone will make a post about the different possibilities concerning Victor Sells/HW belts, and evaluate the strength of the respective explanations. We have one thread about it the collection, which is heavily biased toward the Erlking hypothesis.

Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on December 14, 2012, 05:27:12 PM
Elegast, I'm going to steal the contents of that excelent post to include in the "Suggest topics here (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33094.0.html)" sticky of the DFRC :)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 14, 2012, 05:36:47 PM
First is a some emphasis on technical formatting of suggestions for this index:
From experience, what Elegast is doing here is a great deal of work, and the closest you can come to making a suggestion something that he can straight copy/paste into the index the better.  He also has the ability to pull the code directly from your post, so posting suggestions in accordance with his original guidelines really goes a long way in making things work well for him

+1.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: GrandPanjandrum on December 14, 2012, 05:37:38 PM
I guess this is WAG indexed to Merlin/Demonreach

The real purpose of the Chichen Itza blood curse was to weaken the wards on Demonreach.

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35729.0.html

Added.Elegast
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 14, 2012, 05:40:56 PM
I guess this is WAG indexed to Merlin/Demonreach

The indexation is a bit random. I think I'll index it under Changes, then reword it as 'Harry is Merlin's descendant' and index it under Harry.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Ms Duck on December 14, 2012, 05:46:51 PM
there is a variation on that: Harry (and eb) and Odin's descendants


Added.Elegast
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Cenphx on December 14, 2012, 06:06:14 PM
Elegast-i had a vague plan to work on a blood rites/storm front/fool moon/love hurts connections thread. Ill do it this weekend, cause its gonna take a while to pull all the pieces together and I want to try to review all the threads which hit on it.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on December 14, 2012, 06:11:31 PM
Elegast-i had a vague plan to work on a blood rites/storm front/fool moon/love hurts connections thread. Ill do it this weekend, cause its gonna take a while to pull all the pieces together and I want to try to review all the threads which hit on it.

I look forward to it, you do great work.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on December 14, 2012, 06:51:09 PM
I have a feeling, from the brief amount of time I've had to skim through the forum, that some of my most detailed theories don't any more have a single coherent post explaining the whole thing and my reasons for believing it, so i am happy to redo a few of those for reference purposes as time permits.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on December 14, 2012, 07:06:26 PM
I have a feeling, from the brief amount of time I've had to skim through the forum, that some of my most detailed theories don't any more have a single coherent post explaining the whole thing and my reasons for believing it, so i am happy to redo a few of those for reference purposes as time permits.

The only one I'm familiar with on an origional post level is the one enshrined in the WoJ section.  I think most of them predate my joining, and thus have long passed through the bowels of the autodelete monster.  The only other ones that I can easily recall are ones that I thought particularly unlikely but that you still clung to.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Ms Duck on December 14, 2012, 10:11:22 PM
I have a feeling, from the brief amount of time I've had to skim through the forum, that some of my most detailed theories don't any more have a single coherent post explaining the whole thing and my reasons for believing it, so i am happy to redo a few of those for reference purposes as time permits.

Ive been beggin you to do that for a while now.. (hugs)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 15, 2012, 01:08:49 AM
lash will be the new bob
(source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35880.0.html)
source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35813.msg1702454.html#msg1702454)
source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35789.msg1700165.html#msg1700165)
there are other relevant thread posts too

Added. You're not he first proposing the theory, BTW.Elegast
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 15, 2012, 01:30:50 AM
cowl has mouse's sibling.source- (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35160.msg1702596.html#msg1702596)wizard nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile)
woj:
About Mouse's siblings
he does have a bunch of brothers and sisters who wonder how come they haven’t heard from him. ‘You never howl, you never pee on anything….’  And plus, there is…uh, I will just say that the possibility exists that Harry didn’t rescue all of them, and if so, where are the others?

Added.Elegast
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 15, 2012, 04:47:05 AM
maggie has slight dhampir upgrades from her mom.source- (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35880.15.html)wizard nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile)

Added.Elegast.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on December 15, 2012, 05:23:45 PM
Ive been beggin you to do that for a while now.. (hugs)

Well, if you're going to beg, how can I resist ? *bats eyelashes*
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Ms Duck on December 15, 2012, 05:24:24 PM
Well, if you;re going to beg, how can I resist ? *bats eyelashes*

beg beg beg?

we need :

your theory on the nature of the 'black council' (lack thereof..)

your thoughts on demonreach, updated

Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: GrandPanjandrum on December 15, 2012, 05:38:18 PM
No one's buying it, but I'm stubborn... >:( 

Arianna is the parasite in Harry's head (She and Lash are going to do the Angel/Demon sitting on Harry's shoulder thing)
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35880.msg1703849.html#msg1703849


Added.Elegast
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 16, 2012, 02:28:44 AM
No one's buying it, but I'm stubborn... >:( 

Arianna is the parasite in Harry's head (She and Lash are going to do the Angel/Demon sitting on Harry's shoulder thing)
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35880.msg1703849.html#msg1703849


Added.Elegast
how does that work? their both demonic, can't both sit on harry's left shoulder, he'd tip over lol ;)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Ms Duck on December 16, 2012, 02:34:56 AM
how does that work? their both demonic, can't both sit on harry's left shoulder, he'd tip over lol ;)

one is in his brain, the other is somehwere south in that other organ you males us to make decisions.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 16, 2012, 02:38:07 AM
one is in his brain, the other is somehwere south in that other organ you males us to make decisions.
omg!? harry has a possessed wee wee! hope he doesn't try to pull an ash.. owchy :'(
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Ms Duck on December 16, 2012, 02:42:43 AM
omg!? harry has a possessed wee wee! hope he doesn't try to pull an ash.. owchy :'(

i still think thats where mab put the winter court brand
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: TheCuriousFan on December 16, 2012, 02:45:51 AM
i still think thats where mab put the winter court brand

Wouldn't he have commented on it himself after all the times he had to dress himself in physical therapy?
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: SunlessNick on December 16, 2012, 02:57:21 AM
The one about Thomas controlling Lara should be noted as impossible up to the point of Backup; since then is still open of course.

There's mine (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35697.0.html), that Cowl is a human whose magic ought to be conditional, but Nemesis infection has made it not so.  Which isn't very specific, and might be better expressed as "Nemesis infection can free humans from their half a bargain, while still getting the benefits." and "Cowl is an example of the above."

I've also theorised that Cowl is a former holder of the Blackstaff, but I don't have a good link for it.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 16, 2012, 03:00:17 AM
i wanna debat about your cowl idea. post that in a thread or make a new one?
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: SunlessNick on December 16, 2012, 04:47:55 AM
Up to you.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Ms Duck on December 16, 2012, 05:02:27 AM
new one splease..this thread should be kept for its intended purpose, i think  ;D
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 16, 2012, 05:06:45 AM
new one splease..this thread should be kept for its intended purpose, i think  ;D
your misreading my post  :P that was my point.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 16, 2012, 05:53:53 PM
The one about Thomas controlling Lara should be noted as impossible up to the point of Backup; since then is still open of course.

I agree that it's improbable, hence the rating, but I try to list all the theories without picking my favorites.

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"Nemesis infection can free humans from their half a bargain, while still getting the benefits."

The problem is that humans aren't constrained by their bargains the way fairies are. Do you mean they can break oaths made on their power?
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: SunlessNick on December 16, 2012, 06:16:10 PM
The problem is that humans aren't constrained by their bargains the way fairies are. Do you mean they can break oaths made on their power?
Yes to the latter.  To the former, when I say bargains, I mean I suspect mortal infected could break them without it "counting" - ie, without the power they've bargained with being able use the breach as a reason to withdraw its favour.

Added.Elegast
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 16, 2012, 06:51:12 PM
little chicago will be a springboard for time travel

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33984.180.html

Plz start a thread on the subject, the theory is brand new with a single post discussing it.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 17, 2012, 12:04:25 PM
doubler
harry will become the blackstaff.
justin meant for harry to use his 'power over outsiders' to lead an outsider invasion.source- (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35938.0.html)wizard nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: TheCuriousFan on December 17, 2012, 12:13:34 PM
Here's some links for my Cowl hex theory since I forgot to provide them when I brought up the theory.

(Source) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32963.0.html) -TheCuriousFan (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=38647)

EDIT: Forgot I could just edit them in myself and save you the trouble.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 17, 2012, 12:39:07 PM
odin is aware harry went to the past from the future. source- (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35939.0.html)wizard nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Cenphx on December 17, 2012, 02:40:05 PM
That one actually appeared in multiple threads on the day of/days after CD was released. Ill find the threads and post some links here once im not on my mobile.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 17, 2012, 02:45:52 PM
That one actually appeared in multiple threads on the day of/days after CD was released. Ill find the threads and post some links here once im not on my mobile.
the odin one? was it as good an explanation as mine 8)
plus i just knew it wasn't in the index. why isn't this a sticky btw? it should be.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Cenphx on December 17, 2012, 03:58:21 PM
The ones I am remembering was about how Odins comment to Harry in Mac's could be understood to mean that Harry had *already* succeeded in saving the island and I think both the alternate timeline theory and time travel theories were put forward.  Whether they were as good as yours-thats a good question :D Ill have to go find the threads, but I cant find and link them on my mobile phone :(
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 17, 2012, 04:29:45 PM
Here's some links for my Cowl hex theory since I forgot to provide them when I brought up the theory.

(Source) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32963.0.html) -TheCuriousFan (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=38647)

EDIT: Forgot I could just edit them in myself and save you the trouble.

Thx.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 17, 2012, 04:35:02 PM
Public announcement

I annonce a change in policy: I will not add a theory with less than three pages of discussion about it (it can be spread in several pages).

Reason of the change:
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 17, 2012, 04:37:49 PM
thats slightly not fare, some theorys span multiple threads that are hard to find. others are so self evident they don't get discussed as much..
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 17, 2012, 04:38:44 PM
the odin one? was it as good an explanation as mine 8)

I will add it under Time Travel.

harry will be the blackstaff one day.

Not enough arguments for or against: I would have to add:
and so on.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 17, 2012, 04:40:45 PM
thats slightly not fare, some theorys span multiple threads that are hard to find. others are so self evident they don't get discussed as much..

I can lower the bar if it's a great theory. :)

And no need to find all the posts, just one is required, then I'll do a quick search.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 17, 2012, 04:42:20 PM
harry has a history of violence... atl consider the justin general one. the power over outsiders is vague on purpose.

don't get lazy on us elegast... its your responsibility to cover theorys... :P
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 17, 2012, 04:53:08 PM
don't get lazy on us elegast... its your responsibility to cover theorys... :P

I *am* lazy. But I'll make an effort just for you.  ;)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: SunlessNick on December 18, 2012, 02:36:59 PM
Any chance of this thread being stickied?  Its function seems  to deserve it.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on December 18, 2012, 04:27:57 PM
Any chance of this thread being stickied?  Its function seems  to deserve it.

It will be moved to the DF reference collection, then stickied.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: GrandPanjandrum on December 19, 2012, 12:57:56 AM
New Theory:

Mavra is Morgana le Fay and secured Kemmerler's Word to return to life
Source:  http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35969.msg1709532.html#msg1709532

Thanks,
GrandPanjandrum
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: xakko on December 19, 2012, 04:24:20 AM
When Molly removed Harry's memories in Changes, she inadvertently changed him, transferring some measure of her feelings for him.

source: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35005.msg1705045.html#msg1705045
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 19, 2012, 01:46:32 PM
maggie had lasciels coin, gave it to nick.(source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35813.45.html))(source- (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35889.msg1705244.html#msg1705244)wizard nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile)
ok now if you don't think its good you can declare wizard season ;)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Cenphx on December 20, 2012, 08:13:29 PM
This is not a full fledged theory, as such, but all the talk about Mavra as the potential suspect for SF-FM-BR-LH made me think of it again. It started out as a question to see what everyone thought . Then after talking about it and rereading the specific section, I became convinced of this point:

Mavra was not attempting to kill Harry at the beginning of Blood Rites, but was gunning for Thomas because he betrayed her.  http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32151.0.html

Don't ask me how he betrayed her. I have no satisfactory answer.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on December 21, 2012, 05:55:54 PM
the attack on the well was to 'kill' and release the prisoners beyond the outer gates, for reinforcements.
source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36036.15.html)-source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35956.msg1712133.html#msg1712133)-wizard nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: 123456789blaaa on December 23, 2012, 12:26:33 PM
Some thoughts and requests (I'll also add theories if I see other theory's in the section do not have links) :

General
Maybe this is just happening to me but whenever I click the sources links they always direct me to the 1st page of the relevant thread. Wouldn't it be more convenient for the links to direct you to the page in which the theory is proposed?

If "only theories which have already been widely discussed/criticized by the community can be nominated" than why do many of the theories here not have links? Even if we can't find the original thread it was discussed in, shouldn't we at least be able to find a thread it was discussed in (presumably the one which made us decide that the theory has been widely discussed/criticized? Even if there are multiple threads discussing it and we can't find all of them, even one link is better than no links. Should we really have theories with no links here?

Black Court
I would like to request that the "there is a link between the Black Court and the outsiders" rating have a bracketed sentence next to it that says that the theory changes to Highly Speculative if Harry meant Black Council and Black Court is a typo.

Blackstaff
I checked both the links to the "Blackstaff is MW's walking stick" theory and I don't think it deserves the Very Strong Evidence rating. Jim said that the WC stole the blackstaff from someone who really wants it back. This...does not narrow things down. The only indicator that we have that MW is the one who wants it back is that Jim is a self proclamed  "lazy writer". I'm not saying that the theory isn't strong, just that it doesn't deserve Very Strong Evidence status. I think that it should be changed to blue.

Blood Rites
Theory:The thing seen behind Kincaid could be a symbolic representation of Drakul.

EDIT: I think this quote from page 189 of the DFRPG: Our World, under the "Mavra" entry:

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She looks exactly the same to the Sight as she does to normal vision.

Pretty much debunks the "Mavra under veil seen in Sight behind Kincaid" theory.

HW belts
Why is Raith making the HW belts rated Strong Evidence? We have seen no indication that he is a practitioner (in fact, he often recruits women to do magic for him) and Harry himself says that only about 3 people in the entire White Council could make them.

Mothers Winter/Summer
The "they are God" theory doesn't have a rating (and since the G is capitalized, shouldn't it say the White God?).

Parasite
Theory: the parasite is Nemesis (this doesn't have to contradict the Walker theory either).

Swords
Theory: Faith Astor is going to take up Fidelacchius (link: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35837.0.html) I know it doesn't have 3 pages of discussion but hey, at least I have a link.

Outsiders
The third Walker could also be called He-Who-Walks-Between.

Numerology
Here's a link to the thread where the theory originated: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35403.0.html

EDIT:

Drakul
On page 77 of the DFRPG: Our World, under the "half demons" entry, the books says:
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Vlad Drakul is one example

Note that they don't say he could be one or that he's probably one. They outright say he's one. Does this downgrade the rating of the "Drakul is the scion of a dragon" theory?
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: 123456789blaaa on December 31, 2012, 10:37:32 AM
No one cares about my previous post? :'(.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on January 01, 2013, 04:29:19 PM
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General
Maybe this is just happening to me but whenever I click the sources links they always direct me to the 1st page of the relevant thread. Wouldn't it be more convenient for the links to direct you to the page in which the theory is proposed?

It's on my to-do list.

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If "only theories which have already been widely discussed/criticized by the community can be nominated" than why do many of the theories here not have links? Even if we can't find the original thread it was discussed in, shouldn't we at least be able to find a thread it was discussed in (presumably the one which made us decide that the theory has been widely discussed/criticized? Even if there are multiple threads discussing it and we can't find all of them, even one link is better than no links. Should we really have theories with no links here?

Yes.

Some old theories are widely known and deserve to be included, yet sometimes there is no living thread about them. But the main reason is a practical one: putting a link for each theory would demand an LOT of work. There are many theories, spread in many posts, and old threads are deleted after one year so the links would keep breaking and would require constant attention. And most of the post introducing a theory contain little more info than a one-sentence summary.

I included all the links to threads in the DFRC, as they won't disappear, and are of very high quality.

You'll notice that I include links to some threads in the DF spoilers section. I do so with threads I believe have a good chance of ending in the DFRC, or if I can directly copy-paste the link. It's basically an informal nomination thread.

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Black Court
I would like to request that the "there is a link between the Black Court and the outsiders" rating have a bracketed sentence next to it that says that the theory changes to Highly Speculative if Harry meant Black Council and Black Court is a typo.

Done. I rated thinking there was a WOJ about the typo.

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Blackstaff
I checked both the links to the "Blackstaff is MW's walking stick" theory and I don't think it deserves the Very Strong Evidence rating. Jim said that the WC stole the blackstaff from someone who really wants it back. This...does not narrow things down. The only indicator that we have that MW is the one who wants it back is that Jim is a self proclamed  "lazy writer". I'm not saying that the theory isn't strong, just that it doesn't deserve Very Strong Evidence status. I think that it should be changed to blue.

It's slightly overrated. But there is already a poll about it so I prefer to respect the results.

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Blood Rites
Theory:The thing seen behind Kincaid could be a symbolic representation of Drakul.
EDIT: I think this quote from page 189 of the DFRPG: Our World, under the "Mavra" entry:
Pretty much debunks the "Mavra under veil seen in Sight behind Kincaid" theory.

I look into it, I don't have my copy of the DFRPG close at hand.


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HW belts
Why is Raith making the HW belts rated Strong Evidence? We have seen no indication that he is a practitioner (in fact, he often recruits women to do magic for him) and Harry himself says that only about 3 people in the entire White Council could make them.

Done. I rated it before the Cenphx's threads.

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Mothers Winter/Summer
The "they are God" theory doesn't have a rating (and since the G is capitalized, shouldn't it say the White God?).

Done.

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Parasite
Theory: the parasite is Nemesis (this doesn't have to contradict the Walker theory either).

Added.

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Swords
Theory: Faith Astor is going to take up Fidelacchius (link: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35837.0.html) I know it doesn't have 3 pages of discussion but hey, at least I have a link.


Added.

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Outsiders
The third Walker could also be called He-Who-Walks-Between.

Added.

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Drakul
On page 77 of the DFRPG: Our World, under the "half demons" entry, the books says:
Note that they don't say he could be one or that he's probably one. They outright say he's one. Does this downgrade the rating of the "Drakul is the scion of a dragon" theory?

No. The rating is already low, and there is a WOJ behind the theory.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on January 01, 2013, 04:33:29 PM
No one cares about my previous post? :'(.

Just read it. I was too busy having fun last week.  ;D
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on January 02, 2013, 06:01:32 AM
when jim had to switch DB and PG he intentionally created a time loop in the books, behind the scenes.
source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?topic=36133.45)-source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35790.msg1700130.html#msg1700130)-wizard nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile)

Elegast i invoke thee to look at my updated theory.(i explain it better)
was hoping you'd take another look at this one if you please? i can update my original thread or create a new one if you want more imput or are unsure what i mean precisely... its complicated, sorta. but it ties into alot of other theories... i'm gonna update my thread actually... stuff to add anyways.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: 123456789blaaa on January 02, 2013, 08:32:28 PM

Yes.

Some old theories are widely known and deserve to be included, yet sometimes there is no living thread about them. But the main reason is a practical one: putting a link for each theory would demand an LOT of work. There are many theories, spread in many posts, and old threads are deleted after one year so the links would keep breaking and would require constant attention. And most of the post introducing a theory contain little more info than a one-sentence summary.

I included all the links to threads in the DFRC, as they won't disappear, and are of very high quality.

You'll notice that I include links to some threads in the DF spoilers section. I do so with threads I believe have a good chance of ending in the DFRC, or if I can directly copy-paste the link. It's basically an informal nomination thread.

Ah I see.

What do you think of me creating "compilation threads" for each of the theories that don't have sources (and are either Strong evidence  Very strong evidence) and aiming to get them into the DF Reference Collection? I'd like to at least try. Not having sources for those theories bugs me (I may also try ones for Speculative if the previous attempt works).

It's slightly overrated. But there is already a poll about it so I prefer to respect the results.

If I created a new poll and it goes the other way, would you than change it (though there's the slight issue that I don't know how to create a poll...)?

I look into it, I don't have my copy of the DFRPG close at hand.

You don't trust me  :'( :P.

I can easily quote the whole paragraph here if you'd like.

Also, Harry also wonders if the figure behind Kincaid is Drakul on page 159 of Our World:

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To my Sight, Kincaid looks enormous, malformed, silent, merciless, deadly. He has horns curling from his head, batlike wings, and a hideous double-image behind him that looks like the corpsespecter of Death himself (Drakul?). I don’t know if he’s soulgazeable, but I really don’t wanna find out. Just a glimpse with the Sight was enough for me.

Added.

Requesting that you also add "(the walker could also be Nemesis)" beside it.

Added.

You forgot to add my name to it (how do you do that anyways?)

No. The rating is already low, and there is a WOJ behind the theory.

Which one?

Also, could you add the "Drakul is the scion of a demon"? (

EDIT: Also found another reference for Drakul being the scion of a demon. It's on page 143 of Our World in the Freeholding Lords sidebar:

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Vlad Drakul (NE)—a half-demon
scion; father of Vlad Tepesh Dracula

I'm wondering how to add sources for theories that only have a slice of text from the RPG to support them. I could use the method I proposed at the top of this post but creating a thread for such a small piece of evidence seems wastefull...getting threads like them into the DF Reference Collection would just clutter it up. Maybe we could make one thread for all the theories that only have small amounts of evidence (this could also work for Speculative and Highly Speculative  theories)?

Just read it. I was too busy having fun last week.  ;D

All is forgiven  ;D  :P.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on January 03, 2013, 08:21:57 PM

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What do you think of me creating "compilation threads" for each of the theories that don't have sources (and are either Strong evidence  Very strong evidence) and aiming to get them into the DF Reference Collection? I'd like to at least try. Not having sources for those theories bugs me (I may also try ones for Speculative if the previous attempt works).

That would be a great idea.

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If I created a new poll and it goes the other way, would you than change it (though there's the slight issue that I don't know how to create a poll...)?

Sure. Click on the button "New Poll", near the new topic button to create  a poll.


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You don't trust me  :'( :P.

I do.  ;) I just want to see the context.

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Requesting that you also add "(the walker could also be Nemesis)" beside it.

Done.

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You forgot to add my name to it (how do you do that anyways?)

Like that:
Code: [Select]
[sup][url=http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=40787]Cenphx[/url][/sup]
Will add your name.

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Which one?

It doesn't exist....  :-[

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Also, could you add the "Drakul is the scion of a demon"? (

Done.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: 123456789blaaa on January 03, 2013, 08:25:40 PM
You missed a few things I edited into my post.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on January 03, 2013, 08:35:53 PM
I'm wondering how to add sources for theories that only have a slice of text from the RPG to support them. I could use the method I proposed at the top of this post but creating a thread for such a small piece of evidence seems wastefull...getting threads like them into the DF Reference Collection would just clutter it up. Maybe we could make one thread for all the theories that only have small amounts of evidence (this could also work for Speculative and Highly Speculative  theories)?

We could. It would be cool to make one post per theory. I had the same idea, and already have made such a post as an experiment:

Faeries speak gaelic
(Arjan, Elegast)


Fairies and language
Quote from: Changes
someone whispering to me, something in a tongue I didnt understand-but I knew my queen's voice
Quote from: Summer Knight
Maeve drew herself up, her face shining with a sudden terrible beauty. She lifted her right hand, ring finger and thumb both bent, and murmured something in a liquid, alien tongue.
Quote
My godmother spoke something, a string of liquid syllables in a tongue I could not understand-but it made my knees turn rubbery and my fingers suddenly feel weak.

About speaking Russian:
Quote from: Changes
"Harry", he[Toot-toot] said, as if the question made no sense at all, "you just speak it"
Quote from: Wikipedia
The word fairy derives from Middle English faierie (also fayerye, feirie, fairie), a direct borrowing from Old French faerie (Modern French féerie) meaning the land, realm, or characteristic activity (i.e. enchantment) of the legendary people of folklore and romance called (in Old French) faie or fee (Modern French fée). This derived ultimately from Late Latin fata (one of the personified Fates, hence a guardian or tutelary spirit, hence a spirit in general); cf. Italian fata, Portuguese fada, Spanish hada of the same origin.
Fata, although it became a feminine noun in the Romance languages, was originally the neuter plural ("the Fates") of fatum, past participle of the verb fari to speak, hence "thing spoken, decision, decree" or "prophetic declaration, prediction", hence "destiny, fate". It was used as the equivalent of the Greek Μοῖραι Moirai, the personified Fates who determined the course and ending of human life.
[...]
Latin fata comes from the Indo-European root *bhã- "speak".
From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy#Etymology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy#Etymology)

Gaelic

Quote from: Wikipedia
Most consonants have both palatal and non-palatal counterparts, including a very rich system of liquids, nasals and trills (i.e. 3 contrasting l sounds, 3 contrasting n sounds and 3 contrasting r sounds).
From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic#Pronunciation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic#Pronunciation)

The daoine sìth are described in gaelic litterature after all:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidhe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidhe)

Harry doesn't speak gaelic:
Quote from: Death Mask
Ebenezar spat something in what I presumed was Gaelic.

Mac Aodha (MacCoy) means son of Fire in Gaelic! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCoy_(surname) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCoy_(surname))) I wonder if Harry's predilection for fire is a common trait in his bloodline.

 Mab and Maeve are both forms of an old irish name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medb
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: 123456789blaaa on January 03, 2013, 11:04:00 PM
That would be a great idea.

Sure. Click on the button "New Poll", near the new topic button to create  a poll.


I do.  ;) I just want to see the context.

Done.

Like that:
Code: [Select]
[sup][url=http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=40787]Cenphx[/url][/sup]
Will add your name.

It doesn't exist....  :-[

Done.

The context:

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MAVRA

Mavra first appeared in the casefiles during the events of the Grave Peril case, working with Bianca St. Claire and Leonid Kravos to stir up trouble for both Harry Dresden and Michael Carpenter. And, as an old and powerful Black Court vampire, she can stir up a lot of trouble. She hates Michael for destroying her “children” and “grandchildren” over 20 years ago, so she planned to use the blood of an innocent (Lydia) to unmake his Sword Amoracchius. Thwarted in this, she disappeared for a time. She popped up again in the Blood Rites case, creating Renfields (page 84) in a homeless shelter. She was taken down by the efforts of Harry, Kincaid, Karrin Murphy, and Ebenezar McCoy. During the events of the Dead Beat case, she showed up again, forcing Harry to find The Word of Kemmler for her, under threat of sending blackmail photos of Murphy—taken while Murphy was working on the Blood Rites case—to the authorities. When Harry provided the book, he threatened her, and she initially laughed it off—until Harry outlined the lengths he’d go to just to get her, if she persisted. In addition to the vast Black Court vampire powers she has, Mavra seems to be skilled in magic. She is ridiculously adept at using Veils and is responsible for the “barbed wire” spells that afflicted Agatha Hagglethorn and Micky Malone. Furthermore, her command of mind magic is extensive.Mavra slender and pallid, with blue lips and hair like dried straw and bread mold. She looks exactly the same to the Sight as she does to normal vision.

Does that help?

Also, when you say that the WoJ doesn't exist, do you mean that it's like the "black court/council typo" WoJ?

We could. It would be cool to make one post per theory. I had the same idea, and already have made such a post as an experiment:

About speaking Russian: From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy#Etymology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy#Etymology)

Gaelic
From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic#Pronunciation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic#Pronunciation)

The daoine sìth are described in gaelic litterature after all:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidhe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidhe)

Harry doesn't speak gaelic:
Mac Aodha (MacCoy) means son of Fire in Gaelic! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCoy_(surname) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCoy_(surname))) I wonder if Harry's predilection for fire is a common trait in his bloodline.

 Mab and Maeve are both forms of an old irish name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medb


Oooh that works pretty nicely (could use a little cleaning up though).  One possible roadblock is that we'd have to reserve a TON of posts considering how many theories like that there are and how many could come in the future. Perhaps some theories could be in the same post as other's?
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on January 04, 2013, 12:12:25 AM
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The context:

Does that help?

Thx.

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Also, when you say that the WoJ doesn't exist, do you mean that it's like the "black court/council typo" WoJ?

No. The part about Drakul  being son of a Dragon was in a the question, not the answer from Jim...

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Oooh that works pretty nicely (could use a little cleaning up though).  One possible roadblock is that we'd have to reserve a TON of posts considering how many theories like that there are and how many could come in the future. Perhaps some theories could be in the same post as other's?

Not such a big problem: you can put several theories in the same post and do several threads. And I can split/merge threads if necessary. Reserving 10 posts would probably be largely sufficient.


Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on January 04, 2013, 12:31:48 AM
when jim had to switch DB and PG he intentionally created a time loop in the books, behind the scenes.
source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?topic=36133.45)-source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35790.msg1700130.html#msg1700130)-wizard nelson (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile)

Elegast i invoke thee to look at my updated theory.(i explain it better)

I will look into it.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Tami Seven on January 11, 2013, 04:21:27 PM
Do new theories get considered for addition to this reference?
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on January 13, 2013, 05:42:51 PM
Do new theories get considered for addition to this reference?

Yes.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Tami Seven on January 13, 2013, 11:26:56 PM
Yes.

Can I still suggest my own theories for consideration?
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on January 14, 2013, 05:06:40 PM
Can I still suggest my own theories for consideration?

Of course.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Tami Seven on January 16, 2013, 02:24:38 AM
The following Theories/WAGs are listed in this thread http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36403.0.html (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36403.0.html)

Don't know if they are good enough for inclusion but here is the run down.

1. Lord Raith planned on having a second child with Margaret, one born to have power over Outsiders.
2. Lord Raith planned on using a young Thomas as a sacrifice in a type of Accession ritual that would have made the child even more powerful.
3. Lord Raith knew Margaret was pregnant and aimed his Entropy Curse, not at her but at the baby so he could get her back.
4. Margaret found out about Lard Raith's Curse, that it would hit at Midnight of October 31st.
5. Margaret induced labor early using magic.
6. Margaret deflected the Curse from the baby to herself.
7. With Margret's death, LR gave up on the idea of using Thomas as a sacrifice, until BR.
8. Lord Raith believed both the child and the mother had died.
9. Cowl was one of Maggie's circle, traveling with her into the NeverNever.
10. While a 'Good' man produces a Starborn to oppose the Outsiders, a 'Bad' man can father a Starborn who would be a leader of the Outsiders, a link between worlds who would help them.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on January 17, 2013, 04:13:24 AM
demonreach's limp was cause by the physical representation of a glacier, possibly its genus loci. not a literal, "a glacier hit DR on the leg and hurt him" incident.
posted (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36488.45.html) clarify as likely a jotun.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on February 17, 2013, 02:08:47 AM
morts fishy appearance and domain changes are caused by time line fluctuations.source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36986.msg1790980.html#msg1790980)

merlins squishy existence is in a pocket dimension created within DR.discussion (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36986.msg1787822.html#msg1787822)

morgana is Nemesis source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36870.msg1783348.html#msg1783348)

Nemesis is the missing 3rd fate source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36753.0.html)

starborn are born under an outsiders sign in the sky(horoscope style) source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36753.msg1769790.html#msg1769790) clarified (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36753.msg1771443.html#msg1771443)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on February 17, 2013, 02:32:43 AM
cowl is an incarnation of Nyarlathotepdiscussion (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36753.msg1772482.html#msg1772482) start (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36753.msg1771442.html#msg1771442)

sorry, i know they're all my posts but these are the ones i know best. wag is just what i do...
oh this one isn't me- odin is merlin source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36778.0.html)
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on February 19, 2013, 04:59:12 PM
cowl is an incarnation of Nyarlathotepdiscussion (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36753.msg1772482.html#msg1772482) start (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36753.msg1771442.html#msg1771442)

sorry, i know they're all my posts but these are the ones i know best. wag is just what i do...
oh this one isn't me- odin is merlin source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36778.0.html)

Added. Will look the other theories later.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on February 24, 2013, 05:16:46 PM
morts fishy appearance and domain changes are caused by time line fluctuations.source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36986.msg1790980.html#msg1790980)

Added. This one is really, really cool.

merlins squishy existence is in a pocket dimension created within DR.discussion (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36986.msg1787822.html#msg1787822)

Not added for the moment, I will try to merge it with the other theories concerning DR.

morgana is Nemesis source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36870.msg1783348.html#msg1783348)

Added in the young theory category. (no real indication it's true)

Nemesis is the missing 3rd fate source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36753.0.html)

Added. I'm convinced it's wrong, but I know many feel otherwise.

starborn are born under an outsiders sign in the sky(horoscope style) source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36753.msg1769790.html#msg1769790) clarified (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36753.msg1771443.html#msg1771443)

Not sure what you mean. We already know Harry was born under a conjonction, it's a WOJ.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on February 24, 2013, 07:44:14 PM
Not sure what you mean. We already know Harry was born under a conjonction, it's a WOJ.
sorry, thought it would be easier to understand that way, heres more discussion (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,37078.msg1802790.html#msg1802790) on it. basically harry is 'halfout' of reality and this is why his magic and physical assaults can hurt outsiders, also interacting mentally to shrug them off.

 Farther discussion has lead me to believe winter and Mab, as guardians of reality hold the power to harm outsiders. Harry's physical and magical prowess against hwwb4 is due to this. http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,37284.msg1812953.html#msg1812953
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on October 25, 2013, 12:37:47 PM
I added

Nemesis is a blood born contagion source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36848.0.html) Cenphx (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=40787)


to the index without one of your nifty color coded probability subscripts



Alternate Interpretation to Black Magic's "infection" properties (source (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36238.0.html)) Cenphx (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=40787)


Too.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on November 09, 2013, 04:19:25 PM
gonna have to find a place to index

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,37999.0.html.  incredible discussion in that topic
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on January 11, 2014, 09:41:19 PM
Added some theories about the Aesir and the 3rd walker being Loki

more to come
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: lunyboy on January 21, 2014, 09:00:45 PM
Is this the place to expound on my theory, or should I just do a full post write up? I realize it won't be popular, but I think it is necessary (for my sanity).

-Reserved.

Also, Thanks very much Elegast, I am honored you included my post.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: knnn on April 29, 2014, 03:14:49 PM
I nominate this one, for its originality.  I'll add it myself if it gets seconded.

Completely out there WAG I just thought of. I checked this on a pregnancy calculator. If Maggie was going to have a Child born on Halloween, she would have had to conceive the child sometime around the first week of February. Thomas was born the second week of February. What if LR got Maggie pregnant in the first week of February in order for her to give birth to a Star Child, but instead Maggie, with Lea's help, slipped into the NeverNever. Using Fae magic and NN Time Compression, she may have turned a Nine Month Pregnancy into a 2 week pregnancy, depriving LR of his Starborn child.

Indexed to this post under "Margret La Fae" -Serack
Title: Re: [All series spoilers] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on April 29, 2014, 08:53:03 PM
Temporary back-up.
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WAG Swings (Simple and not much support, but hey, one might knock it out of the park come BAT time)

Demonreach
demonreach's limp was cause by the physical representation of a glacier, possibly its genus loci. not a literal, "a glacier hit DR on the leg and hurt him" incident.

Harry
Harry will become the Blackstaff
When Molly removed Harry's memories in Changes, she inadvertently changed him, due her love for him.

Harry's conception
1. Lord Raith planned on having a second child with Margaret, one born to have power over Outsiders.
2. Lord Raith planned on using a young Thomas as a sacrifice in a type of Accession ritual that would have made the child even more powerful.
3. Lord Raith knew Margaret was pregnant and aimed his Entropy Curse, not at her but at the baby so he could get her back.
4. Margaret found out about Lard Raith's Curse, that it would hit at Midnight of October 31st.
5. Margaret induced labor early using magic.
6. Margaret deflected the Curse from the baby to herself.
7. With Margret's death, LR gave up on the idea of using Thomas as a sacrifice, until BR.
8. Lord Raith believed both the child and the mother had died.
9. Cowl was one of Maggie's circle, traveling with her into the NeverNever.
10. While a 'Good' man produces a Starborn to oppose the Outsiders, a 'Bad' man can father a Starborn who would be a leader of the Outsiders, a link between worlds who would help them.

Maggie Sr
maggie had lasciel's coin

Merlin
merlins squishy existence is in a pocket dimension created within DR.

Nemesis
morgana is Nemesis

Red Court
Dhampires have special abilities.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on May 06, 2014, 12:00:38 AM
added these 2 to the mini theories section:

Uriel
Had a cameo way back in Fool Moon (Source) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40988.0.html) -Serack (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=23736)

Yggdrasil
Is the roots seen all the way down at the bottom of "the well" (Demonreach)

It looks as though the post that held the theories for Yggdrasil being associated with Yggdrasil have been lost, except for Elegast making an archive of one that isn't in the DFRC yet.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on May 06, 2014, 10:30:40 PM
added these 2 to the mini theories section:

Uriel
Had a cameo way back in Fool Moon (Source) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40988.0.html) -Serack (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php?action=profile;u=23736)

Yggdrasil
Is the roots seen all the way down at the bottom of "the well" (Demonreach)

It looks as though the post that held the theories for Yggdrasil being associated with Yggdrasil have been lost, except for Elegast making an archive of one that isn't in the DFRC yet.

Actually I had moved the Yggrasil roots theory to the Demonreach category. A bit confusin
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on May 21, 2014, 02:03:57 AM
Where do you think this theory should go Elegast?

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,41217.0.html

I'd title it:
The Summer and Winter mantles are related to Nidhogg and the Eagle on Yggdrasil
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Elegast on May 21, 2014, 05:52:21 PM
Where do you think this theory should go Elegast?

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,41217.0.html

I'd title it:
The Summer and Winter mantles are related to Nidhogg and the Eagle on Yggdrasil

I'll take the easy way out: let's wait for Skin Game and the new info on the mother's mantle, then we'll add the theory during the revamp of the index.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on May 21, 2014, 06:21:06 PM
I'll take the easy way out: let's wait for Skin Game and the new info on the mother's mantle, then we'll add the theory during the revamp of the index.

NP, I mostly wanted to flag it for archival or at least listing on the index.  Didn't want that one to fall down into oblivion.
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on May 28, 2014, 03:24:38 PM
I'd like to index this one later.

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,41331.0.html
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: wizard nelson on June 30, 2015, 07:18:37 PM
I don't know if your still doing this thing or not but that Harry did a bad killing Macfinn and His beast is Fenrir is too cool a connection not to want to add http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,45464.msg2166417.html#msg2166417
Title: Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Post by: Serack on July 03, 2015, 05:47:52 PM
indexed the below as a WAG.

Did we ever find out the name of Deirdre's Fallen? Her angel in the coin? If not, I'd like someone to ask JB about it if they get ever the chance.

I do have a suggestion for a name, "Urumiel" taken from the name of this sword, the Urumi, which resembled her hair:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5-9pSyTiM_U/Rt1PplweqLI/AAAAAAAAA-E/KOv6auPRN4E/s400/urumi.jpg)