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Title: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Priscellie on July 10, 2012, 11:00:10 PM
Have you written/encountered a really compelling theory you'd like to see represented in the Reference Collection?  Link to it here!


Edit:  Serack
Something that can help in evaluating a suggested topic is to review it using the method described in the index topic (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33109.msg1492073.html#msg1492073).

Also, this child board is not intended to supersede the origional spoiler board when it comes to discussion.  As such, new topics on theories will probably spend considerable time maturing in the other sections of the boards before being moved here.


Edit2:  -Elegast as channeled by Serack
The fundamental question is: do we want to save the thread from the auto-delete monster?

In practice, the threads being kept fall in five categories:

Theory
A thread where a new theory is explained.
Example: Serack's Lash theory (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,27090.0.html)

Discussion
That's a thread where the OP is often weak, but the following replies are strong.
Example: conversation about the Blackstaff (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35014.0.html)

Fun
Those are just fun threads.
Example:Knnn's code (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,20198.0.html)

Factual references
these threads try to collect all the facts on an aspect of the DF
Example: the legendary timeline of Priscillie (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,1592.0.html)

References about theories
A thread where the OP trys to gather all the knowledge about a theory into a single post. (often the knowledge is otherwise spread over many threads, with no coherent organisation/structure).
Example: my Cowl = Simon (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35160.0.html) thread.


Edit3:  -Serack

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So far I haven't been able to come up with a Thread worthy of being included in the Reference section. If you don't mind me asking, what am I doing wrong? How is a Thread judged good enough to be saved in the Reference Section?

Since I'm the curator that seems to be the quickest to pull the transfer topic trigger, I guess if one of your topics were to be transferred it'd probably be by me, and I'm human and that makes the decision a bit subjective.

As such I'd say that the criteria for topics I transfer are:

Let me revisit the "it has to come to my attention" part.  This is probably the most arbitrary part of my evaluating potential topics, because I'm not always active, and how something gets my attention can vary, but some rather subjective/arbitrary things influence it (Such as if I take a brake from participating on the forums).  But in addition to that, there have been plenty of times when I went on an active prowl looking for new topics to transfer, and part of my method was to go to the profiles of forum posters who have a history of generating topics that I'd transferred in the past (There is a "topics" tab in the show posts page of everyone's profile).  This ends up biasing things towards those that have already made contributions though.  But I do post in the suggest topics sticky asking for suggestions as well. 

Another way topics come to my attention is when I'm researching the forums using the search function to find a post I remember someone making that I want to use in my response to someone's current topic.  This happened today, in that Griff listed his WAGs and I searched for one I remember him generating topics on.  I saw that the topic he generated was well presented and developed, referenced interesting external mythos, and came to significant conclusions.  Although the version I transferred wasn't in itself novel, it was novel relatively recently, and wasn't represented in the DFRC.  The search also pointed me at a slightly older topic Eldest Gruff generated that had even more polish and meat to it and I transferred that one as well.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: KevinSig on July 10, 2012, 11:36:50 PM
Not sure how the section will play out, but I do have some theories that could be put in the running (as I think it might be something that could be put to a vote).

Theory 1: Simon is Cowl & Kumori is Elaine.  I've heard enough variations on this one to know it pretty much by heart, but I couldnt direct you to the post that most personifies the theory, but I did find this one (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,29833.0.html).

Theory 2: Headaches in Turncoat are a sign of mental manipulation.  I know the theory, but can't point you to a post the personifies it, or cite it in full, without a bit of research.

Theory 3: Demonreach & The Warden.  Basic theory is based off WOJ & Eb's notes. Gets into the idea that Kemmler used to be The Warden of the White Council & was former custodian of Demonreach.  I do know this one pretty well & could reconstruct it, but it isn't mine.  No clue, what post best personifies the theory.

Theory 4: Molly is Mab, Mab is Molly.  By Ms Duck.  Not sure what post best personifies it, but could be added for honorable mention, if nothing else.

Theory 5: Magical theory question (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33007.0.html).  An awesome thread in which how magic works is actively being discussed.  Still on the front page too.

Theory 6: Who crossed to Line in Dead Beat (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,30171.0.html). Suggest add linkage to the recent post (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32945.0.html) suggesting the scene with Malcolm was on Demonreach.


I do have my own theories I'm proud of, but I'm biased...

My Theory 1: Marci is a plant, best personified by a post called Did anyone notice Toto? (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28606.msg1225640.html#msg1225640)  I could find it if necessary.

My Theory 2: My Icky Puppet Parts Theory (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32996.0.html), still on front page.  Basically a theory on how Snakeboy fooled the handshake, while in the form of Father Vincent.


As for how content gets added, maybe a vote gets cast on the top 10 theories.  Then, following this, maybe only 1-2 new posts get added per month.  Each with a nomination thread, which then becomes a vote.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Knight on July 11, 2012, 12:47:10 AM
actually,

Theory 3: Demonreach & The Warden.  Basic theory is based off WOJ & Eb's notes. Gets into the idea that Kemmler used to be The Warden of the White Council & was former custodian of Demonreach.  I do know this one pretty well & could reconstruct it, but it isn't mine.  No clue, what post best personifies the theory.

I could never find the theory that explained how Harry could be Kemmler reborn.  I find this one interesting and really want to get a look at it.  not to mention i never heard the second part, that kemmler might have been conected to DR

Theory 5: Magical theory question (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33007.0.html).  An awesome thread in which how magic works is actively being discussed.  Still on the front page too.

There are several ideas here that should be expanded on.  magic cirles, the diferances in magic (Harry's vs Faith vs Necro vs any others that we come up with)  the Way Knights Work, as i have seen a few threads on that.  More....
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: KevinSig on July 11, 2012, 01:33:57 AM
I could never find the theory that explained how Harry could be Kemmler reborn.  I find this one interesting and really want to get a look at it.  not to mention i never heard the second part, that kemmler might have been conected to DR

I provide the most of the relevant WOJs on the theory in this post (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33060.msg1489084.html#msg1489084).  The post just prior, by Second Aristh.

Basically, it goes on the assumption that the position Eb was referencing in his diary, is that of The Warden.  Based on the fact that Jim talks about singular The Warden role, while he's talking about Demonreach.  Plus, he gives a smirk answer when asked if Harry can be a Warden, now that he's Winter Knight.

The Kemmler connection, is a bit more tenuous.  Basically, we assume The Warden position had to exist, but given that Demonreach has no custodian until Turn Coat, it seems likely there was something of a falling out with DR.  The Gatekeeper's comments, that he's had bad luck on DR, suggest it might be in his lifetime.

Kemmler being a likely candidate & a reason why The Gatekeeper would have found a need to visit the island previously. 

The theory also makes the assumption that Kemmler would have had to be part of the White Council at some point, in order to gain such skill.  I think Ghost Story at least connects the Corpstaker to being a former White Council member.  So it isn't impossible Kemmy did it first.

Given how long he confronted & eluded the WC, knowledge of its inner management seems likely. 


I've heard the notion of Harry being Kemmler being reborn, but I've never seen it written out with any justification, almost more like a statement of fact.  If I had to guess, it might have something to do with the plan Maggie tried to sell Eb on, mentioned in Changes.  Of course, I can't see Maggie getting excited about reincarnating Kemmler.  Maybe if Kemmy himself was a reincarnation of the original Merlin & while Lord Wraith wanted another Kemmler, Margaret wanted & got her new Merlin type.  Or a mix of Merlin & Kemmler, all thing depending.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Locnil on July 11, 2012, 02:17:52 AM
How about knnn and neurovore's theories about the events of PG? Jim himself even commented on the level of analysis, after all.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: FirstSelector on July 11, 2012, 07:01:33 AM
While it is not the most fleshed-out theory, I think the prospect that Maggie LeFay founded the Black Council (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,27584.msg1182348.html#msg1182348) is on to a really solid idea.

Ms. Duck's "Get out of Dead free" (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32021.0.html) theory neatly ties up the rather confusing events in and between Small Favors and Ghost Story.

The PG Compendium (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32914.0.html) has a bunch of useful theories.

Neurovore's claim that the Scarecrow in Arctis Tor was backed by Outsiders (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,10792.msg440528.html#msg440528) prompted Jim to ask if he was a CIA analyst.

knnn had some very interesting things to say (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32048.0.html) about Small Favors, and really digs into understanding the events of that book.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: AcornArmy on July 11, 2012, 10:49:17 AM
While it is not the most fleshed-out theory, I think the prospect that Maggie LeFay founded the Black Council (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,27584.msg1182348.html#msg1182348) is on to a really solid idea.

Thanks :)  I eventually filled it out more, and made the Maggie LeFay and the Outsiders (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28692.0.html) thread.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Vairelome on July 11, 2012, 02:31:49 PM
I really liked Salacia's A Fallen scorned (GS spoilers) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28970.0.html) thread, suggesting that Lasciel began whispering to Harry during TC and continued through Changes, culminating in the infamous seven words.  In some of the later pages, I speculated that Nicodemus may have enabled Lasciel's whisper campaign after crawling out of Lake Michigan at the end of SmF; a summary of my theory is on page 5 of that thread here (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28970.msg1289738.html#msg1289738) and my analysis of Lasciel's (possible) "tags" is on page 6 of that thread here (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28970.msg1290447.html#msg1290447).
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: AcornArmy on July 11, 2012, 03:50:45 PM
Okay, kind of a long list, here goes:

Doylist analysis on LC fix timing (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,31689.0.html)
Black Council "Recruitment" (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,30736.0.html)
Catalogue of Harry's Nightmares (WIP) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,31905.0.html)
Mouse's Origins (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32720.0.html)
Missed subtleties from my fifth reread of Changes (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28691.0.html)
White Court Magic-Users, Death Curses and Soulfire (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28061.0.html)
Something about Harry (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,27583.0.html)
Uriel's long game? FM, DB, Ch, and GS (WIP) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28050.0.html)
WC vamp wizards (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,27995.0.html)
Lea and the Black Athame (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32213.0.html)
Maeve did it. (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32220.0.html)
PG: combining Neurovore and Knnn. (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32166.0.html)
An evilish-Elaine theory in summary (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32117.0.html)
Taking a closer look at Small Favor (LONG) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32048.0.html)
The case for Titania (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,31912.0.html)
Who recruited and trained Victor Sells? (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,31967.0.html)
Harry Dresden, Most Wanted (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,30016.0.html)
A Theory about Black Magic Corruption (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28780.0.html)
THOUGHT EXERCISE Harry Dresden - a serial killer who targets schoolgirls (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,29901.0.html)

Oh, and a couple of mine that I'm fairly happy with:

Maggie LeFay and the Outsiders (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28692.0.html)
Harry's Possessiveness (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28688.0.html)

I couldn't remember very many theory threads that were still around, so I basically just opened the Topics posted list for a few dozen regular posters and looked for good theory threads they'd started. I found several that I'd read already and forgotten about, and several that I hadn't seen before. So this was a productive exercise. :)  I'm sure I've missed some good ones, though, especially any good theories that didn't have their own thread dedicated to them.

Not all of these are theory threads, though. Some of them are just collections of information which seem like they could be useful as reference materials in the future.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Priscellie on July 11, 2012, 04:09:15 PM
Nothing to contribute, just reveling in all y'all's brilliance.  So many fantastic ideas!
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on July 11, 2012, 04:46:04 PM
I added some thoughts to the OP.  Check them out, and if you have any ideas to contribute on how to go about the vetting process let us know.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on July 11, 2012, 08:33:10 PM
Ok, I've added pretty much everything in AA's post to the canidates index, or ported over some of the ones already locked.  Near the end I just put everything in the candidate list cause I am in a hurry.

Will revisit the other posts later, as well as a few topics that serve similar purposes from before the inception of the DFRC
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Elegast on July 11, 2012, 09:50:33 PM
In this thread http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32068.0.html (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32068.0.html) I was trying a theory lost due to the servor crash.

By page 6 we had it:

Quote from:  a post by Unsurmontable
i think Ms. Duck's explanation makes the most sense.  We have WoJ that Erlking is only one of several beings that can call the wild hunt.  Given that this is also true outside the dresdenverse (in early mythology) and that in early mythology Odin is one of those beings that can call the Hunt, it's reasonable to assume Odin has that same power in the dresdenverse.  Add to that Erl's comment that he messes with those who messes with his hunt and you have a reasonable cause for Erl to mess with Odin's plans, (i.e. Marcone).  Add to that Erl's domain is on the other side of the FBI building and you now have a pretty solid case for it being Erl.  Plus the magical item here turns people into one of the greatest hunters known to human kind, that right in line with the way Erl likes it.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on July 21, 2012, 11:45:12 AM
suggesting this topic on Ivy's origin (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33185.0.html)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: KevinSig on July 22, 2012, 12:57:02 AM
Considering you've a copy of the Dresden timeline here, I think having the thread on the Laws of Magic also merits to be put here.  (Although I think the title could be changed to mention that it outlines what the laws of magic are.)

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,488.0.html
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Aein on August 02, 2012, 04:37:53 PM
What about the accepted theory that the Erlking was responsible somehow for the hexenwulfen belts? I haven't been able to find that post anywhere.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: dpara on August 27, 2012, 11:59:14 AM
I would suggest Harrys medical records as a topic.

As far as I can remember he had a bullet in his hip, a morning star in his leg, a melted hand and a lot more I probably forgot^^.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Shecky on August 27, 2012, 01:42:13 PM
What about the accepted theory that the Erlking was responsible somehow for the hexenwulfen belts? I haven't been able to find that post anywhere.

Never even heard of that one.

I would suggest Harrys medical records as a topic.

As far as I can remember he had a bullet in his hip, a morning star in his leg, a melted hand and a lot more I probably forgot^^.

Not what this thread is looking for; it's more along the lines of topics that 1) have already been discussed and 2) have developed or expressed interesting theories. So if you had a particular thread in mind that did the above, you can post a link to it here.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: AcornArmy on August 27, 2012, 03:18:56 PM
What about the accepted theory that the Erlking was responsible somehow for the hexenwulfen belts? I haven't been able to find that post anywhere.

When is something considered an "accepted theory"? Myself, I've always thought the idea of the Erlking being responsible for the belts was a WAG with little or nothing to support it. To be a reference item, shouldn't a theory have some kind of structure of related facts in the books supporting the idea?

I'm not trying to start up a debate here about the belts and the Erlking, I'm just saying that the only supporting clue in favor of that theory is the fact that the Erlking is a hunter, and the belts turned people into insane werewolves. Given the fact that practically every major supernatural being is a predator of some kind, that's not a very strong connection.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on August 27, 2012, 03:51:49 PM
When is something considered an "accepted theory"? Myself, I've always thought the idea of the Erlking being responsible for the belts was a WAG with little or nothing to support it. To be a reference item, shouldn't a theory have some kind of structure of related facts in the books supporting the idea?

I'm not trying to start up a debate here about the belts and the Erlking, I'm just saying that the only supporting clue in favor of that theory is the fact that the Erlking is a hunter, and the belts turned people into insane werewolves. Given the fact that practically every major supernatural being is a predator of some kind, that's not a very strong connection.

However, I see the point in having a "resource" topic dedicated to the theory that people can point to when the topic comes up in convo.  If someone generates a topic titled "The evidince for why the Erlking made the hexenwolfen belts" or pointed me to one that serves that purpose, I'd probably port it over here (immediately if it's an old topic, otherwise allow for any initial discussion in the regular section first)

Edit:  I might go with this one (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32068.0.html)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on September 14, 2012, 03:42:17 PM
How about this one:

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28712.0.html

It's not really a "theory" or "resource", but it is a lot of fun. 
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on September 14, 2012, 05:29:14 PM
How about this one:

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28712.0.html

It's not really a "theory" or "resource", but it is a lot of fun.

Gracious me, and it's a year old too.  I thought that was stickied.  Yah, port that over, and I recommend indexing it under a section labled "Fun" or something like that.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on September 14, 2012, 06:50:42 PM
Thanks, I didn't want to presume.

How do we create a "fun" section?
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on September 14, 2012, 08:18:17 PM
By indexing it, I ment add a link to it in the index sticky.

And I ment to put a link to it under a new bolded section in the index sticky labled "Fun" I'd move the "Dresden Files Geek Code" to that section too.

(this is me trying to encourage you to tweak the index when you port a topic)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on September 14, 2012, 08:35:49 PM
By indexing it, I ment add a link to it in the index sticky.

And I ment to put a link to it under a new bolded section in the index sticky labled "Fun" I'd move the "Dresden Files Geek Code" to that section too.

(this is me trying to encourage you to tweak the index when you port a topic)

 :D  got it ---trying to get me to work up a sweat....

Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Priscellie on September 14, 2012, 11:42:04 PM
Silly purity test doesn't include "15" in the number of Dresden novels you've read. :D
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: TheCuriousFan on September 15, 2012, 02:53:15 AM
Silly purity test doesn't include "15" in the number of Dresden novels you've read. :D

Parts of the next book don't count. ::)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Priscellie on September 15, 2012, 05:00:23 AM
Parts of the next book don't count. ::)

Yeah, but I've read it in its entirety!
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on September 16, 2012, 11:12:23 AM
Yeah, but I've read it in its entirety!

 :o

I'll fix it in the coming week (high holidays or here, so things are a bit hectic).  I think I'll also add a "contributed predictions to the  predict-a-thon" bullet to make things fair.... 

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on September 17, 2012, 08:09:52 PM
Silly purity test doesn't include "15" in the number of Dresden novels you've read. :D

*counts on his fingers*

I R confused
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: TheCuriousFan on September 17, 2012, 09:41:06 PM
*counts on his fingers*

I R confused

She's read all the bits of the next book that Jim has written apparently, bringing her count of books read up to 15.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Priscellie on September 18, 2012, 12:51:37 AM
The count includes "Side Jobs." :D
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: TheCuriousFan on September 18, 2012, 12:57:57 AM
The count includes "Side Jobs." :D

And what about those people that bought the books with the individual short stories? How high does their count go bearded gnome?
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Priscellie on September 18, 2012, 05:55:07 AM
Don't look at me, I didn't write the test! :D
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Shecky on September 19, 2012, 01:26:12 AM
And what about those people that bought the books with the individual short stories? How high does their count go bearded gnome?

I have all those, too.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on September 19, 2012, 11:36:52 AM
And what about those people that bought the books with the individual short stories? How high does their count go bearded gnome?

My main reason for not including all the anthology books separately is simply that it would make things more complicated. 

- It would equate owning "Dark and Stormy Knights" to "Storm Front".
- Are you allowed to include the book if you only read the DF short story 3+ times (not the entire book)?

My secondary reason is that I didn't want that quiz to be too hard.  It is for this same reason that I didn't include a dropdown for "Number of hardcover novels you own", and instead rated it as 2 points in the bonus section.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: TheCuriousFan on September 19, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
I have all those, too.

This isn't a contest over who's read the most books (yet, anyway).
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: lunawriter on October 30, 2012, 04:24:17 PM
Maybe this exists somewhere, and I've just been unable to find it. (Newbie that I am to these forums)

I would really like to see a thread dedicated to the physical appearances of the different characters. I've been trying to map out the general features, height and reference photos (based on interviews of Jim Butcher) and having some help fine tooth combing the novels would be great.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Priscellie on October 31, 2012, 01:22:27 AM
Maybe this exists somewhere, and I've just been unable to find it. (Newbie that I am to these forums)

I would really like to see a thread dedicated to the physical appearances of the different characters. I've been trying to map out the general features, height and reference photos (based on interviews of Jim Butcher) and having some help fine tooth combing the novels would be great.

The "Our World" RPG volume has that in spades. :D
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: lunawriter on October 31, 2012, 08:01:34 AM
Quote
The "Our World" RPG volume has that in spades.

Thank you. :D I guess I have to run out and get it now.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on October 31, 2012, 12:22:13 PM
Thank you. :D I guess I have to run out and get it now.

Support the forum administration, buy it straight from Evil Hat!

I'll supply a link later, it's inaccessible to me at the moment.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Elegast on November 24, 2012, 01:01:42 AM
Started new thead on Harry is Kemmler reborn. (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,34887.msg1670089.html#msg1670089)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on November 24, 2012, 12:45:45 PM
Started new thead on Harry is Kemmler reborn. (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,34887.msg1670089.html#msg1670089)

Thanks,

The name drop made sure I was going to see it if I was active.  It will stay in the spoilers section while it is being developed then It will be xfered over
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Elegast on November 30, 2012, 10:29:26 AM
Nominating: [Cold days spoiler] Ground Zero Theory (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35200.0.html)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: lunyboy on December 01, 2012, 04:01:59 PM
Is there a colors of Magic thread that I missed? If not, that might be interesting.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Elegast on December 07, 2012, 12:21:47 AM
Nominating:

Two threads from Cenphx about a Walker infection. Probably wrong, but the quality is high, and I suspect some of it is true:
Crazy HWWB theory revisited [CD SPOILERS]  (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35072.0.html) November 28, 2012
Crazy HWWB theory[GS SPOILERS] (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32084.msg1395852.html#msg1395852) April 29, 2012
It seems to me that the new one makes the older one redundant.  I agree that this is a well crafted topic that probably deserves preservation  -Serack

A reference thread about Simon=Cowl:

Simon=Cowl (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35160.0.html) November 29, 2012
The DFRC was created for posts like this!  -Serack

Two threads explaining past books:
PG (after CD) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35451.0.html) December 04, 2012
SmF (after CD) (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35401.0.html) December 03, 2012

Yes I'm nominating my own threads. I know, I'm shameless. :P
You and knnn do such an excellent job of crafting topics like this that it is hard to argue against their inclusion over there.  If you do transfer them, I recommend that you add links to them to Pre CD versions of these topics, and vice versa.  -Serack

Two threads about the black staff:
[CD spoilers] Mother Winter, the Blackstaff, Death and the Raven Banner (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35568.0.html) (half reference/half personal theories) December 6th, 2012
conversation about the blackstaff (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35014.0.html) November 27, 2012
The second topic is a classic example of a topic that deserves a really high "discussion" rating as per my index rating system.  Your topic does a great job of pulling all the discussion into a cohesive post.  Man you do a lot of work around here :)  -Serack


threads about a common idea those days: magic comes from the Outside.

one by Knnn, can't find it.
Do you mean knnn's [CD spoilers] Corruption WAG (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35138.msg1677801.html#msg1677801) November 29, 2012 topic?  (which I found via his profile, looking at recent posts => topics)  -Serack


Fun
Two threads of the predic-a-thon:
Entries (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33976.0.html)
Results (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35484.0.html)
knnn PM'd me about this.  I told him he should open a curator discussion about it, and spent 30 minutes writing up a response to post when he did, and...  -Serack

One which may fit better in the FanArt section, but could still be in the DFRC:
(CD spoilers) - Fun family moments we'll never see (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35341.0.html)
For the fan-art decision, blaze should be conferred with, that's kinda her domain.  -Serack

Needed
 - We need a good thread about Mac (especially the Grigori theory), several threads on the subject, but I'm not sure which is the best one...
 - We need a better thread concerning the hexenwulfen belts (the current one is too far out of the consensus, and a bit unfocused).
 - We need a thread about Harry=Merlin, a theory which seems to come back quite often.
I agree that these are major areas of discussion that deserve something in the DFRC.  Keep links to the active discussions on these, and over the course of time, something will probably rise up that shines (if nothing else I know this one curator that keeps doing an amazing job of building them himself, but he's already doing so much of that that maybe some space should be given to allow for other input and contributions ;) ) -Serack
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on December 07, 2012, 12:45:17 PM
I'm going to edit in commends directly to your post in green along with dates for the posts, since those matter for curating.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on December 07, 2012, 01:02:35 PM
I don't think there's enough details for a Harry=Merlin thread, but perhaps a general Merlin reference thread (who he might be, everything he's done, what his goals are/were) would be useful.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on December 07, 2012, 01:30:41 PM
I agree that this stuff deserves nomination.  I think that for most of them, some time should be given to ensure that discussions come to complete maturity, and that other forum members get an opportunity to build their own alternative references that should also be considered. 

The fae language topic is getting approached by the autodelete monster, so it should probably be transfered soon.

I don't think there's enough details for a Harry=Merlin thread, but perhaps a general Merlin reference thread (who he might be, everything he's done, what his goals are/were) would be useful.

knnn, read the comments I added to his post.  Especially the ones under the "fun" section ;)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on December 07, 2012, 01:45:27 PM
Ok, I just started reading the "(CD spoilers) - Fun family moments we'll never see" topic.  That looks more like the type of topic the Display Case (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/board,33.0.html) was invented for.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on December 07, 2012, 02:23:38 PM
knnn, read the comments I added to his post.  Especially the ones under the "fun" section ;)

Sorry to have wasted half an hour of your time...   ;D.  While I do believe those reference threads should be saved, they are still floating around the first three pages in the spoilers section.  To me this means they can still "grow".  Certainly we should keep an eye on them.

Another nomination for "fun" would be the Top selling books of the dresdenverse (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33812.msg1570657.html#msg1570657).  It's locked already, so no more maturing.  Yes, it's one of mine.   ;)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on December 07, 2012, 02:27:32 PM
Sorry to have wasted half an hour of your time...   ;D.  While I do believe those reference threads should be saved, they are still floating around the first three pages in the spoilers section.  To me this means they can still "grow".  Certainly we should keep an eye on them.

Another nomination for "fun" would be the Top selling books of the dresdenverse (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33812.msg1570657.html#msg1570657).  It's locked already, so no more maturing.  Yes, it's one of mine.   ;)

Oh, I've still got the post up in a tab on my laptop at home, so as long as the Mrs doesn't close the window it's ready to copy and paste if/when you post your inquiry.  It was a buncha good questions that I wanted to give input on, but I wanted it to be slightly more open than a PM (easier to follow later too, when the decisions actually have to be made)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Elegast on December 07, 2012, 03:07:17 PM
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Do you mean knnn's [CD spoilers] Corruption WAG November 29, 2012 topic?  (which I found via his profile, looking at recent posts => topics)  -Serack

Yes, that's the one. I tried to find it in his posts, and failed. Thx for the tip.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on December 07, 2012, 03:13:08 PM
Yes, that's the one. I tried to find it in his posts, and failed. Thx for the tip.

Yah, for the longest time I never noticed that there is a "topics" tab in that part of the profile.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Elegast on December 07, 2012, 03:19:29 PM
There is this one too:

Crazy Idea about Crazy Lea  (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32204.0.html).

I'm unsure what to do with it: the theory is no longer relevant after CD, yet I like the OP, and it's one of the source (when I say source, I mean copy-pasted  ;D) of my PG compendium...
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on December 07, 2012, 03:55:31 PM
Yah, for the longest time I never noticed that there is a "topics" tab in that part of the profile.

Sweet!  I never noticed that before -- funny to see how few topics I actually created...
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Elegast on December 12, 2012, 01:05:02 PM
Nominating a great TT Harry thread I had completely forgotten: Time Travelling Harry fixed LC (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32143.0.html) May 03, 2012
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: 123456789blaaa on January 01, 2013, 08:19:59 PM
I'm not sure if this is really significant enough to go into the Reference Collection but I made this Factual Reference thread: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36232.0.html because I saw so many people doubting that Kringle was really a Faerie. I'd hate to have it lost in the back pages of the forum and have to retype it. I nominate it.

EDIT: I also nominate this thread: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36206.0.html. I think it's a very well put together theory that has some interesting speculation in it.

*stamp* collected -Serack
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Cenphx on January 15, 2013, 10:19:00 PM
Ok, it feels a bit pretentious nominating my own threads, but I wrote these three with the hopes/intentions that they might be useful as reference threads, so I at least want to put them here for you all to consider. And the first one has some really top notch comments complete with well fleshed out theories. Do with them what you will!


Connections pt. 2: Suspect for SF-FM-BR-LH (December 19, 2012)
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36012.msg1711196.html#msg1711196

Connections - Hexenwolf belts, Love Hurt belts, Victor Sells, Blood Rites curse (December 19, 2012)
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36011.msg1711107.html#msg1711107

List of Headaches (December 12, 2012)
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35813.msg1701063.html#msg1701063

Checked 6/12/13 and everything has already been collected -Serack
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Elegast on February 02, 2013, 05:58:50 PM
Just a list of good threads I don't want to forget:

Serack's reference threads:

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,34760.msg1659633.html#msg1659633
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,31905.msg1382708.html#msg1382708
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35236.msg1680321.html#msg1680321  (needs more work/discussion)


LC analysis:

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,33984.msg1590460.html#msg1590460

Yeats:

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36667.0.html

Mantles:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36200.0.html

Nales:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32575.msg1445647.html#msg1445647

The 3rd link still needs collecting, but I am giving it a chance to do more maturing in the regular Spoilers discussion area first.  It is already 7 months old though (6/12/13) -Serack
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Second Aristh on February 09, 2013, 02:17:01 AM
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36206.0.html
Um, not sure on the correct protocol here, but I'll second the nomination of this thread.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: wizard nelson on February 09, 2013, 04:24:35 AM
Um, not sure on the correct protocol here, but I'll second the nomination of this thread.
ok not trying to be a total downer but shouldn't the fact the subconscious harry having the same age in the dream totally invalidate this theory? in CD harry remarks he is already begun to look noticeably older these last few years, specifically in relation to thomas? just wondering because if probability of outcome isn't a prerequisite i'd nominate a few that will probably be floaters..

edit- haven't looked but pretty sure harry makes allusions to how cool a real leather duster would look on him earlier in FM and possibly SF too.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Elegast on February 09, 2013, 06:13:50 PM
Um, not sure on the correct protocol here, but I'll second the nomination of this thread.


There's no protocol as the DFRC is still quite new. Anyway, any input is appreciated.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: wizard nelson on March 03, 2013, 09:21:29 AM
was wondering  if after this thread has ran its course,
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,37232.msg1809853.html#msg1809853
if it could be marked for future moving to the collection. i think its shear gold but as i write this no one is awake too post yet.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Elegast on March 05, 2013, 03:51:25 AM
[All Spoils] Key Words for Outsider Magic and Mordite (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36897.msg1780334.html#msg1780334)

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35615.0.html
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Cenphx on April 28, 2013, 07:46:46 PM
So I have a question for you all -- if a thread has been nominated, how do you decide whether to move the thread over here?

[I ask for a purely selfish reason. One of my threads which was nominated was just deleted, which makes me sad, but also, because it was nominated, I did not think to try to save all the comments to it. I want to do a better job trying to archive (at least for myself) other threads which I think are important, so knowing the process may help me narrow down what I need to do.]
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Elegast on April 28, 2013, 09:36:34 PM
So I have a question for you all -- if a thread has been nominated, how do you decide whether to move the thread over here?

There is no real process for the moment, something we should fix. We just move things when we feel like it. Serack had the idea of the DFRC in the first place, and founded it with Knnn, so I give him the last word if we disagree.

He wasn't on the forum during April so I was the one deciding for your thread. I was the one who nominated it , but Serack felt it was redundant with the second one (which I'm going to move). To be honest I did not take the time to see how true that was at the time, so I didn't save it, and then I didn't come to the forum this week (first week at my new job :) ) and the deadline was crossed without anyone really paying attention.

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[I ask for a purely selfish reason. One of my threads which was nominated was just deleted, which makes me sad, but also, because it was nominated, I did not think to try to save all the comments to it. I want to do a better job trying to archive (at least for myself) other threads which I think are important, so knowing the process may help me narrow down what I need to do.]

You shouldn't hesitate to ask about your thread when it's about to be destroyed: it's very easy to miss the deadline and let it disappear by mistake. And if you feel it's really good, say so, we tend to err on the side of caution.

In any case saving threads on your side is a good idea. I have done so for my favorite threads, even the ones in the reference collections: there was a crash 1 year ago where many good threads where destroyed forever (and some WOJs).

It sounds like you had saved the OP of the old thread, any chance you could post it back? I could include it at the beginning of the new thread.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: wizard nelson on May 09, 2013, 03:09:52 AM
 :'(I'd like to nominate this thread
Quote from: wizard nelson link=topic=36753.msg1769786#msg1769786date=1359632857
as its my finest work. hope i got the link right, had to copy it by memory. I'm on a ds3. :'(
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on May 09, 2013, 09:55:46 AM
I believe this is the topic (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36753.0.html) you wish to nominate.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on May 09, 2013, 10:01:39 AM
If you gave me the go ahead, I am willing to splice your PS3 hobbled, 5 posts into a single post.  As Priscellie mentioned, that would make it much easier to read as a single idea rather than disjointed comments.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Elegast on May 09, 2013, 06:12:26 PM
I could do some editing too if WN is willing.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on May 09, 2013, 08:23:38 PM
I hadn't seen this topic and it's really stimulating some good ideas for me :)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: wizard nelson on May 11, 2013, 06:53:39 AM
Yes thats quite alright. Sorry I haven't been on in a few days to respond.
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I hadn't seen this topic and it's really stimulating some good ideas for me
Thanks
Might actually need to elaborate on it at some point. Now that my heads not spinning with Lovecraftian nightmares, because I was reading it for first time. I think I have a bit more on Nemesis in correlation to her DF appearances. Mmm, maybe I should just wait and do a redux? Refined Idea's about some other stuff in there too.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: 123456789blaaa on June 12, 2013, 02:51:54 AM
There are bunch of suggested topics in this thread that haven't been accepted or turned down. This is a (hopefully not annoying) reminder just in case the members of the SCD have forgot.  :)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on June 12, 2013, 03:53:56 PM
By the way, if you have a reference topic that  you generated that is now in the DFRC and is locked due to the lock monster, but you want to add new material to it, let a curator know and we will work something out.  We might temporarily unlock it, or if it's something minor, we can splice it in, or something like that.

You might chose to generate a fresh topic to discuss the new editions (especially if they also pertain to new conclusions) and then if the resultant topic isn't necessarily something you don't deem significant enough to archive, you could take the new material and splice it into your existing reference.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on June 12, 2013, 03:56:43 PM
Um, not sure on the correct protocol here, but I'll second the nomination of this thread.

This is an excelent thing to do.  There may be topics that the currators are on the fence about (not necessarily the one you are 2nding here), and having other members put in input for the nomination process is greatly appreciated.  Regardless, I am always happy to see enthusiasm about discussions from multiple people, so even a comment on something that is probably a shoe in is enormously welcome.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: 123456789blaaa on June 18, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
Just some some the stuff you moved. Thank you Serack and Elegast!  ;D

And, I nominate this thread (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36778.msg1772511.html#msg1772511). While I don't agree with everything in it (especially Odin being Merlin) I do think it has interesting insights that shouldn't be lost. 
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on June 18, 2013, 06:56:59 PM
Just some some the stuff you moved. Thank you Serack and Elegast!  ;D

And, I nominate this thread (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36778.msg1772511.html#msg1772511). While I don't agree with everything in it (especially Odin being Merlin) I do think it has interesting insights that shouldn't be lost.

Totally seconding and adding this one. 
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on June 19, 2013, 06:25:03 PM
Totally seconding and adding this one.

*poke*

Yer supposed to link to it in the index.  (I put it in under the already existing Odin=Merlin and Merlin=Odin theory entrances in Elegast's theory index)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on June 19, 2013, 06:32:55 PM
Ah -- I was going to do that, and got stuck up editing a bunch of other things.  Thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: wizard nelson on June 28, 2013, 09:55:04 AM
I believe this is the topic (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36753.0.html) you wish to nominate.
So did I make the cut with this or not? I wouldn't bother about it if I thought it was cause you all are too busy but you've added almost a dozen new threads to the DFC.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on June 28, 2013, 11:52:20 AM
So did I make the cut with this or not? I wouldn't bother about it if I thought it was cause you all are too busy but you've added almost a dozen new threads to the DFC.

Either it wasn't locked when I tweaked/spliced it on the 12th of this month, or I missed that it was locked.  We generally wait until the lock before porting it.

It has been transferred now.  And having just checked, Elegast had already inserted it into his index, so it's inserted /and/ indexed. 

BTW, I offered to help splice it together because I liked it :)

Looking back at the "splice job" do you see any formatting changes you would like done that you can't do from your PS3?  If so let me know and I will see what I can do.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: wizard nelson on June 28, 2013, 06:23:12 PM
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Either it wasn't locked when I tweaked/spliced it on the 12th of this month, or I missed that it was locked.  We generally wait until the lock before porting it.
Oh, I'll know to lock it manually first then.
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BTW, I offered to help splice it together because I liked it
Thanks :D
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do you see any formatting changes you would like done that you can't do from your PS3?  If so let me know and I will see what I can do.
Not right now, thanks though. Sorry my organizational skills generally suck even without Ps3 posting.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on July 01, 2013, 01:29:27 AM
Locking is something automatically done by the forums.  Typically after approximately 3 months I think, but sometimes it seems to take longer, and I'm not sure why, although it could have something to do with replies.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on July 18, 2013, 11:39:07 AM
I vant this theory (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38660.0.html) archived after it matures!
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Tami Seven on August 01, 2013, 04:35:43 PM
My first attempt to organize what is known about Margaret LeFay (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36221.0.html)

I'm am considering doing an expanded version of it.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on August 01, 2013, 05:05:36 PM
My first attempt to organize what is known about Margaret LeFay (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36221.0.html)

I'm am considering doing an expanded version of it.

I didn't know about that.

Looking at it briefly, have you ever tried to do sub bullets?  I unlocked the topic so that if you chose to edit it you can.

Something like:

A breakdown of what is known, what is assumed/uncertain, and what is unknown about their relationship - based on what I remember. If I am wrong or something needs to be changed or added let me know.


It takes some effort to keep track of what list code goes where, but if you were to utalize this type of format, your reference would be easier to follow.  I also have some archived information pertaining to Harry's parents that I might try to respond with later.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Tami Seven on August 01, 2013, 06:36:20 PM
I can fix that. I'll make edits to it to clean it up. I can even change the title to just focus on Margaret. Should I?
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on August 01, 2013, 06:54:49 PM
I can fix that. I'll make edits to it to clean it up. I can even change the title to just focus on Margaret. Should I?

*shrug* what are you trying to accomplish with the reference? 

Title it based on that.  By the way, if you need some help getting the bullets ironed out, you can pull my code from that earlier response I made about the sub bullets by using the quote function and use it as a guide on how to get it done.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Tami Seven on August 01, 2013, 06:57:25 PM
*shrug* what are you trying to accomplish with the reference? 

Title it based on that.  By the way, if you need some help getting the bullets ironed out, you can pull my code from that earlier response I made about the sub bullets by using the quote function and use it as a guide on how to get it done.

I think my main goal was to gather up and organize information on Margaret LeFay. Not sure why I added Raith into this.

I think I can do the bullets, thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Tami Seven on August 02, 2013, 09:34:05 AM
*shrug* what are you trying to accomplish with the reference? 

Title it based on that.  By the way, if you need some help getting the bullets ironed out, you can pull my code from that earlier response I made about the sub bullets by using the quote function and use it as a guide on how to get it done.

Oh, I was still working on cleaning up the bullets.  Looks like its been locked. Guess I can always try again on a new thread.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on August 02, 2013, 10:56:44 AM
Oh, I was still working on cleaning up the bullets.  Looks like its been locked. Guess I can always try again on a new thread.

I've never unlocked a locked thread and kept it in the spoilers section afterwords.

Would you like to keep that one as the primary, or do you want to do the new one?  I'll unlock it again for now, but it seems that it will lock again sometime tonight, and any other night I unlock it until I move it.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Tami Seven on August 02, 2013, 01:05:40 PM
I've never unlocked a locked thread and kept it in the spoilers section afterwords.

Would you like to keep that one as the primary, or do you want to do the new one?  I'll unlock it again for now, but it seems that it will lock again sometime tonight, and any other night I unlock it until I move it.

I understand.  I'll work in a new thread,  one that is clearer and better organized. I'll copy what I need from it for the updated version.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on August 02, 2013, 01:35:07 PM
I understand.  I'll work in a new thread,  one that is clearer and better organized. I'll copy what I need from it for the updated version.

Ok, if nothing else, the unlock should make it easier to pull the code from the old post.

If you didn't notice from my reply containing a reposting from my 2011 topic, this happens to be a subject I find important :)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: ۞†Grey Warden†۞ on September 02, 2013, 12:14:24 AM
Is nobody gonna put my well established theory that LC fixed itself, and is in fact, Demon reach?
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on September 02, 2013, 11:23:26 AM
Is nobody gonna put my well established theory that LC fixed itself, and is in fact, Demon reach?

LINKS!!!

*rumages through the topics you have posted....*

Oh noes, did we miss it?

If someone suggests a topic here, the curators generally try to transfer it around the time it locks unless it is a reference topic.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: ۞†Grey Warden†۞ on September 02, 2013, 01:45:04 PM
I'm sorry, I was just kidding.  ;D
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: 123456789blaaa on September 07, 2013, 05:49:29 AM
I'd like to nominate my theory thread Has Mab become something more? (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,37254.msg1810937.html#msg1810937). It's over 14 pages long so I think that gives it a bit of credibility.

I actually think some more conversation could be gained from it (I'd like to respond to one poster in particular too). Sadly it is locked. Priscellie suggested copying the best parts and making a new thread but 14 pages is a bit much. I know that threads are automatically locked and purged after a certain amount of time as not to overtax the server but could it be unlocked if it gets into the Reference Collection?
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on September 09, 2013, 02:56:49 PM
I'd like to nominate my theory thread Has Mab become something more? (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,37254.msg1810937.html#msg1810937). It's over 14 pages long so I think that gives it a bit of credibility.

I actually think some more conversation could be gained from it (I'd like to respond to one poster in particular too). Sadly it is locked. Priscellie suggested copying the best parts and making a new thread but 14 pages is a bit much. I know that threads are automatically locked and purged after a certain amount of time as not to overtax the server but could it be unlocked if it gets into the Reference Collection?

Unlocked and bumped.  I don't think the unlock will last long.  Post again here to remind me to xfer or if you need more time.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on September 11, 2013, 11:19:49 PM
in addition to the topic The Count just pointed out, I'll need to xfer this other topic of his (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38032.msg1864232.html#msg1864232) soon

Also his topic Tehom/The primordial darkness before the light=Outsiders (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38033.0.html)

I also want to keep tabs on this reference heavy theoryish topic I generated this week about Magic sticking to Outsiders (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,39153.0.html)

Come on guys, if you know of great references that should be archived let us know :)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on October 01, 2013, 04:57:10 PM
Can I get a 2nd for this topic?
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35012.0.html

(a lot of it might be echoed by or be an echo of other theory topics already archived, but this one seems to have been written rather soon after the CD release, and is rather extensive)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: 123456789blaaa on October 01, 2013, 09:50:16 PM
Can I get a 2nd for this topic?
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35012.0.html

(a lot of it might be echoed by or be an echo of other theory topics already archived, but this one seems to have been written rather soon after the CD release, and is rather extensive)

Ideally I'd prefer to make another thread on the subject that also incorporates the many great theories other people have come up with as well. Given how time-consuming and boring it is to search through thread after thread however, that's probably not going to happen...

So yeah, seconding.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on October 25, 2013, 04:02:21 PM
This topic (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,36870.0.html) countering this topic (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35990.15.html) is indexed in Elegast's theory index.

It's got 8 pages of discussion and I was hoping someone would give input on if it should be archived or not.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on October 25, 2013, 05:26:43 PM
Personally, I don't think it need archiving.  The idea in the first post, while original, doesn't really get debated.  It quickly evolves into a discussion of mantles, Mab, etc.  The discussion is interesting in of itself, but not something you couldn't find in similar threads.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: 123456789blaaa on October 25, 2013, 05:58:16 PM
in addition to the topic The Count just pointed out, I'll need to xfer this other topic of his (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38032.msg1864232.html#msg1864232) soon

Also his topic Tehom/The primordial darkness before the light=Outsiders (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38033.0.html)

I also want to keep tabs on this reference heavy theoryish topic I generated this week about Magic sticking to Outsiders (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,39153.0.html)

Come on guys, if you know of great references that should be archived let us know :)

Just a reminder in case you've forgotten. Take your time if you're just busy.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Tami Seven on December 06, 2013, 02:19:02 AM
Ok, if nothing else, the unlock should make it easier to pull the code from the old post.

If you didn't notice from my reply containing a reposting from my 2011 topic, this happens to be a subject I find important :)

Haven't forgotten,  plan on redoing this even better than before.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on January 17, 2014, 04:54:22 PM
I think I'll be archiving this topic for it's discussion of the morality of Harry killing non human sapients.

Lots and lots of really well thought out and backed up discussion about the issue.

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,39618.msg1949167.html#msg1949167
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on January 23, 2014, 03:02:07 AM
I really enjoyed the discussions in this topic
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38493.45.html

But I'd like some 2nds before I transfer it to the DFRC since it's my own and it wasn't just a reference

Edit:  Hmmm, it does end up becoming a Serack typical list, this time about different "Dimensions" or "Planes" that might be involved with the NN.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on January 23, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
I really enjoyed the discussions in this topic
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38493.45.html

But I'd like some 2nds before I transfer it to the DFRC since it's my own and it wasn't just a reference

Edit:  Hmmm, it does end up becoming a Serack typical list, this time about different "Dimensions" or "Planes" that might be involved with the NN.

Truthfully, I'm on the fence about this one.  Certainly it has some interesting theorizing about the topology of the NN, but I don't get a strong enough feeling that this really is something people will want to go back to.

My own suggestion here would be to re-format it (or re-open the discussion) once Skin Games comes out -- (note that the thread only expires in July, way after the book will be out).  I have a suspicion that SK may reveal certain insights into NN travel that might be useful to the discussion.

...Then again, by then "some" of us might be privileged with certain tidbits from the next book (Mirror Mirror if I'm not mistaken), which might really prevent certain individuals from presenting their theories.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on January 23, 2014, 02:10:37 PM
Truthfully, I'm on the fence about this one.  Certainly it has some interesting theorizing about the topology of the NN, but I don't get a strong enough feeling that this really is something people will want to go back to.

My own suggestion here would be to re-format it (or re-open the discussion) once Skin Games comes out -- (note that the thread only expires in July, way after the book will be out).  I have a suspicion that SK may reveal certain insights into NN travel that might be useful to the discussion.

...Then again, by then "some" of us might be privileged with certain tidbits from the next book (Mirror Mirror if I'm not mistaken), which might really prevent certain individuals from presenting their theories.

hmmm, I do have some thoughts I came up with that are very pertiant to that discussion that aren't based off of SG... Maybe I will do some reformatting...  I think there's another post/topic or 2 that I might want to tie in as well, and I haven't found all of them yet.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on January 23, 2014, 02:22:58 PM
Oh, I still would like this (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,39512.0.html) fleshed out.  I think the Quacker needs to be consulted.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on January 23, 2014, 02:52:21 PM
Oh, I still would like this (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,39512.0.html) fleshed out.  I think the Quacker needs to be consulted.

IIRC, the key idea here was that the Black Court can increase it's numbers so quickly that there is no way it could have been in a stable state with the rest of the DV powers for very long. 

Thus the hypothesis is that the inception of the Black Court came about as a by-product (or accident) of some necromancers not too long ago.  It grew by leaps and bounds until they became the most powerful group within a century or three and were thus subsequently taken down by a coalition of powers headed by the White Court's publication of Stoker.  IMHO, tying this into the "Black Death" is just the dressing on top.

The main counter to this seems to be the apparent age of Mavra.  I believe she's stated to be much older than what this theory would require.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on March 10, 2014, 05:29:03 PM
I'm considering splicing http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40471.30.html (Feb 2014) (Battle of Hastings and Fae theorizing)

to one of these two topics.

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35014.0.html

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35568.0.html

(when the time comes)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on March 10, 2014, 06:34:25 PM
I'm considering splicing http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40471.30.html

to one of these two topics.

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35014.0.html

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35568.0.html

(when the time comes)

If and when this is done, I'd include the OP from the following thread:

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40438.0.html (Feb 2014)

Gard specifically mentioning Hastings is (IMHO) a clue.



Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on March 23, 2014, 02:10:35 AM
Keeping track of 2πr's On the origins of Bob, which includes his theories on the origins of the Archive (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,39784.msg1956295.html#msg1956295) posted back in november of 2013
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Quantus on March 31, 2014, 01:43:44 PM
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40773.0/topicseen.html (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40773.0/topicseen.html)

This link in the OP (March 2014) is really the critical part that I think should be documented somewhere.  I dont know who made the Map, but it's is certainly an impressive bit of work, and useful for anyone interested in the geography of the stories. 

However a ways down Griffyn612 posted several pictures from what sounds like a Dresden Tour of Chicago that are also pretty cool, including pics of St Mary's, both Graceland statues, Sue, etc.

added date note -Serack
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on March 31, 2014, 05:15:58 PM
Too cool.  I'll let it sit there for at least a month.  I'm glad it showed up in the Books section.  Griff doesn't darken the Spoilers section while sample chapters are floating about.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on April 16, 2014, 07:07:36 PM
This post by Fangs (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40853.msg2006106.html#msg2006106) blew me out of the water about in proportion to the Lacuna = the Tooth Faery post.  So I looked at Fangz's back posts and found that he propposed the same theory with more backing back in October (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,39560.0.html), so I'm archiving it since I'm for sure indexing it in Elegast's theory index.

I wish it got more discussion
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on April 16, 2014, 07:23:47 PM
I'd like to archive this reference of mine about the nature of outsiders, including theories on why they are attacking us.

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40243.0.html Jan 2014
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on April 24, 2014, 05:01:25 PM
The latest discussion on the nature of Mother Winter really had some awesome thoughts.  I'm not sure if I'll archive it, but I certainly want to be able to find it easy at least until the release of SG and then some new topic will probably supplant it and I will be sure to try to include the most pertinant thoughts (and their originators) there.  In the mean time a link here will help me use it as a reference.

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40768.0.html March 2014
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: KevinSig on May 30, 2014, 10:22:06 PM
Mysteries, Mistakes & Retcon thread?

I mean, there's a whole ton of unanswered things out there that need resolution.  So many that I'm not sure Butcher will remember to answer them all.  (Although for the first few cases its mostly about what Nemesis's goals were, and if it was an N-fected operative, or just an patsy agent of Nemesis.

There have been a few errors and/or retcons the series has made too.  Such as Bianca's assistant's name.  Mort living in a home he apparently vacated, in Ghost Story.  And the recent change where the Denarians hired the Church Mice & not Marcone.

Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on June 01, 2014, 02:29:31 AM
Mysteries, Mistakes & Retcon thread?

I mean, there's a whole ton of unanswered things out there that need resolution.  So many that I'm not sure Butcher will remember to answer them all.  (Although for the first few cases its mostly about what Nemesis's goals were, and if it was an N-fected operative, or just an patsy agent of Nemesis.

There have been a few errors and/or retcons the series has made too.  Such as Bianca's assistant's name.  Mort living in a home he apparently vacated, in Ghost Story.  And the recent change where the Denarians hired the Church Mice & not Marcone.

Already exists  ;)

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32830.0.html
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: hamiltond on June 24, 2014, 02:34:13 PM
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,41981.0.html.  10/22/14

This should be a no-brainer.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Sharlee on July 23, 2014, 04:36:24 PM
One thing the Reference Collection could definitely use, if it hasn't already got one I can't find:  a thread summarizing the many, many, many secrets which Harry is either keeping or privy to.  In what books does he learn about them; who else knows and when do they find out; whom is he most worried about concealing the truth from; at what point (if any) did the information cease to be secret or relevant?  With so much secret information to keep hidden, even Harry himself must have trouble keeping track of it at times, so we readers could surely use a summary to consult.

Naturally, a thread about this topic would need to be either spoiler-marked in big, black capital letters, or chock full of hidden text with ambiguous headings (e.g. just "Lara" as a heading for the secret that
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: knnn on January 23, 2015, 06:29:38 PM
This one is about to be eaten:

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,40361.msg1981336.html#msg1981336

It's not rocket science, but perhaps it is amusing enough?  If not, I'll save the choiciest bits myself.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on March 20, 2015, 07:20:19 PM
Note to self and other curators:

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,43724.msg2113241.html#msg2113241

Lez see if archival of some of these is prudent.

We are coming up on the theory buildup before and after the Skin Game release and need to make sure some of the topics of that time that aren't archived get archived.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on March 29, 2015, 11:47:54 PM
Does anyone second this topic (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,41101.0.html) I made for discussion about Quantus's theory that Molly was a changeling from fae blood more than 1 generation back?
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Quantus on March 30, 2015, 12:22:37 PM
Do I count?  ;)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on March 30, 2015, 01:26:26 PM
Do I count?  ;)

I laughed.

And after some thought, I'd like to have a bit more input. 

I've already added the theory to elegast's theory index credited to you, and I'd like to add a link to that as the source, but that's not a good idea if the "source" doesn't get archived.  It seems that others were already thinking it, but that was the first I had seen it and it certainly is the first discussion that had the WoJ backing it.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Quantus on March 30, 2015, 03:49:32 PM
And after some thought, I'd like to have a bit more input. 
Makes sense to me, seemed like a bit of a conflict of interest for me to nominate my own theory  :)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Foxed on April 01, 2015, 07:48:22 PM
Note to self and other curators:

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,43724.msg2113241.html#msg2113241

Lez see if archival of some of these is prudent.

We are coming up on the theory buildup before and after the Skin Game release and need to make sure some of the topics of that time that aren't archived get archived.

Hm. I believe there's:

Jotunheim is Arctis Tor / The jotun guarded the Outer Gates before Winter. (reference (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,43724.msg2113242.html#msg2113242))

Donar Vaderrung is actually Thor wielding the Alfather mantle (Donar=Thor, Vaderrung=Youngfather). (reference (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,43074.msg2091834.html#msg2091834))

Summer's hidden purpose is to maintain the World Tree. (reference (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,43724.msg2123969.html#msg2123969))

Cowl=Cristos.

Harry will mentally time travel ("is unstuck in time") to the events of Proven Guilty.

Thomas is complicit in time travel shenanigans / has future knowledge in Proven Guilty.

Mirror Mirror's darkest timeline will complete a stable time loop that goes back to Grave Peril.

Those are the good, solid theories that I can pull from there now that I've checked out Elegast's index.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Eldest Gruff on June 15, 2015, 04:06:43 PM
My thread has sort of run its course in the spoilers section, but I had a lot of fun making it and put a fair amount of thought into it...perhaps it could be moved here for those who peruse the area to enjoy entertaining mega theories? I know its a bit self serving to offer my own but I think its at least worth the ask  :) Griff and I go into some other theories and scenarios thru the thread as well.

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,44852.0.html (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,44852.0.html)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on June 29, 2015, 02:40:20 AM
We need to preserve at least one of the old topics about the SG relics possible uses.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Quantus on June 29, 2015, 03:39:08 PM
We need to preserve at least one of the old topics about the SG relics possible uses.
Id vote this one, as a recent incarnation:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,45385.0.html (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,45385.0.html)

This one is also on the topic, but its more specific to the Knife=Spear line of thought:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,45369.0.htmll (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,45369.0.htmll)

Not sure which if any older one's are still around or worth saving.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Foxed on October 25, 2015, 07:21:41 PM
Just noticed that Prove Guilty Mysteries (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,43840.0.html) isn't in here. Been going through my Emporium to make sure all the links got migrated.

(Sidenote-- Serack, I did think of an answer to your Two Mantles Problem with regard to the Time Travel Harry theory, you know besides my Unstuck Harry theory. In The Flash, the Speedforce can only be claimed by one speedster per universe. We see this with Jay Garrick this season on the show, which reminded me of that arcana. The Mantles might work the same way: with Lloyd Slate holding the Mantle, Future Harry will have to do without.)

Also missing is The Starborn Conspiracy (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,44599.msg2137618.html), and The Lady and the Knight, which is lost forever. That latter was post about Venus, Adonis, and the Goddess's Champion.

Could you also please unlock my Emporium so I can archive my Thor=Vaderrung and Faith=Free Will Gifting posts somewhere they won't eventually be eaten?
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on October 26, 2015, 01:40:49 PM
Just noticed that Prove Guilty Mysteries (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,43840.0.html) isn't in here. Been going through my Emporium to make sure all the links got migrated.

(Sidenote-- Serack, I did think of an answer to your Two Mantles Problem with regard to the Time Travel Harry theory, you know besides my Unstuck Harry theory. In The Flash, the Speedforce can only be claimed by one speedster per universe. We see this with Jay Garrick this season on the show, which reminded me of that arcana. The Mantles might work the same way: with Lloyd Slate holding the Mantle, Future Harry will have to do without.)

Also missing is The Starborn Conspiracy (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,44599.msg2137618.html), and The Lady and the Knight, which is lost forever. That latter was post about Venus, Adonis, and the Goddess's Champion.

Could you also please unlock my Emporium so I can archive my Thor=Vaderrung and Faith=Free Will Gifting posts somewhere they won't eventually be eaten?

Rut ro.

I did some boo boo's transferring those.  The first one I accidentally sent to an area of the boards that I'm not allowed to move it back out of, and the 2nd I accidentally hit "remove" instead of move.

Just in case it's not recoverable, I was able to archive most of the first 2 pages of content via the "back" button on my browser.  I already indexed both... but we will have to see what happens to the 2nd once the admin's get back to me.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Griffyn612 on November 24, 2015, 08:08:57 AM
Maybe I'm missing it, but I think a WAG topic where everyone can list a summary of their WAG's would be good.  Everyone would only post one reply to the thread, and update it when they come up with new WAG's.  No-one would reply or debate the WAG's themselves in the thread; it's only an archive. 

Then we can link to our own reply in our signatures so that others could review our thoughts if they like.  And the thread could be locked to preserve them.  And with one reply per member, it'll force everyone to keep their theirs succinct.  If more detail is required, or debate is required, a new thread can be created.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on November 24, 2015, 03:24:48 PM
Maybe I'm missing it, but I think a WAG topic where everyone can list a summary of their WAG's would be good.  Everyone would only post one reply to the thread, and update it when they come up with new WAG's.  No-one would reply or debate the WAG's themselves in the thread; it's only an archive. 

Then we can link to our own reply in our signatures so that others could review our thoughts if they like.  And the thread could be locked to preserve them.  And with one reply per member, it'll force everyone to keep their theirs succinct.  If more detail is required, or debate is required, a new thread can be created.

Interesting.  I'm not sure about the locking part, but on the other hand, I wish such a topic would have a way of tracking when wags were proffered.  Also, it would be encouraged that you add links to any discussions you've generated on your wags...

Elegast's theory index sticky tries to approach this from the opposite direction by collecting significant wags and collating them, but maintenance is a bitch.  I've also got my own response in that topic that I try to use in the way you describe here, but the topic isn't dedicated for that and the responses haven't been limited to 1 per person...

Mention it in the general spoilers discussion to see if it could gain traction because participation would be what matters for it to be relevant.  Then, if you get positive feedback, start one with a general list of instructions (I.E. one post per person) and formatting suggestions.  If it works, I'll transfer it to the DFRC and we'll enforce the 1 post per person thing.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Quantus on November 24, 2015, 07:24:05 PM
From a backend standpoint, would it be possible (and easy to implement) to have a thread that automatically restricted each member to a single post, in the same way it can restrict each member to a single vote in a poll? That would significantly reduce the maintenance required, as well as auto-enforce the whole "Do Not Debate Here" mandate. 
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on November 24, 2015, 08:16:58 PM
If such an option exists, it does not seem to be available to the curator level of moderation.  I suspect it doesn't exist, and from what I have seen of the admin's paradigm for forum modification it wouldn't be added.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Tami Seven on November 24, 2015, 08:47:40 PM
From a backend standpoint, would it be possible (and easy to implement) to have a thread that automatically restricted each member to a single post, in the same way it can restrict each member to a single vote in a poll? That would significantly reduce the maintenance required, as well as auto-enforce the whole "Do Not Debate Here" mandate.

Best bet is to do it as an Honor System, which has worked for me in the past on other forums but only with small groups. The biggest problem comes when you have someone who has a Ton Load of WAGs, so they don't all fit on one post. Then, you have Members needing multiple pages at odd times.....ultimately ending up no different than a normal thread.

My real suggestion, create a Thread in Spoilers, then have someone curate and consolidate the end results...which, actually,  is kinda what we have already.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on November 24, 2015, 09:06:56 PM
Best bet is to do it as an Honor System, which has worked for me in the past on other forums but only with small groups. The biggest problem comes when you have someone who has a Ton Load of WAGs, so they don't all fit on one post. Then, you have Members needing multiple pages at odd times.....ultimately ending up no different than a normal thread.

My real suggestion, create a Thread in Spoilers, then have someone curate and consolidate the end results...which, actually,  is kinda what we have already.

The curator staff can bounce posts that discuss rather than utilize the topic for it's stated purpose. 

As for the size, unless the wags come with massive descriptors (something I feel would be better off in stand alone topics that are linked to) there won't be a problem.  Not too long ago the character count cap was increased from 20k to something like 50k. 
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Quantus on November 24, 2015, 09:24:45 PM
If such an option exists, it does not seem to be available to the curator level of moderation.  I suspect it doesn't exist, and from what I have seen of the admin's paradigm for forum modification it wouldn't be added.
Ya, it definitely doesnt appear implemented currently (Id expect it int he New Thread options) and would need some amount of Fred-Time to get going, if not a pre-packaged plugin of some kind. 
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Griffyn612 on November 24, 2015, 10:32:46 PM
Okay, I started one here (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,46582.msg2196858.html#msg2196858).

As I mentioned in the thread, it's just to compile the basic list of WAG's people prescribe to.  As I was creating it, I realized a thread for each major WAG topic might be the solution to long-term storage of theories. 

For example, a thread could be created for Proven Guilty Time Travel theories.  Rather than saving a thread with one theory and all of the debate around it, each poster could just post one reply with their own theory, and then link that post to the compilation.  No-one discusses each other's theories in that thread. 

That way, if a new member wants to see what theories exist around a particular topic, they can read the one thread, rather than reading a dozen.  And as people refine their theory, they can edit the one post.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Quantus on November 25, 2015, 12:02:51 AM
Okay, I started one here (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,46582.msg2196858.html#msg2196858).

As I mentioned in the thread, it's just to compile the basic list of WAG's people prescribe to.  As I was creating it, I realized a thread for each major WAG topic might be the solution to long-term storage of theories. 

For example, a thread could be created for Proven Guilty Time Travel theories.  Rather than saving a thread with one theory and all of the debate around it, each poster could just post one reply with their own theory, and then link that post to the compilation.  No-one discusses each other's theories in that thread. 

That way, if a new member wants to see what theories exist around a particular topic, they can read the one thread, rather than reading a dozen.  And as people refine their theory, they can edit the one post.
Good idea in theory, but I fear it would run into complications when you try to classify each theory into those broad categories when they apply to multiple ones.  It's the age old Dewy Decimal conundrum 
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Griffyn612 on November 25, 2015, 12:36:39 AM
Good idea in theory, but I fear it would run into complications when you try to classify each theory into those broad categories when they apply to multiple ones.  It's the age old Dewy Decimal conundrum
For the most part, yeah.  Especially when some people interlink everything.  The challenge would be to have people focus on a particular aspect of their theory.  It wouldn't work for every theory, but the big ones (pgtt, origins of the Fae, the Black Council, origin of magic, etc) could be focused.

It seems like every time someone brings up one theory, everything else (especially me) drags their own theory in to get attention/derail.  Folks end up retyping their theories constantly. 

If there was an archived post that they could simply link to, it'd give others a chance to see what other theories there are if they want to, or ignore it and remain focused on the new one.  Then, once the new poster has had a chance to temper their theory against those that (hopefully) give constructive criticism, they can add it to the Archive.  No new thread needed with post after post of us old folks rehashing our own stuff.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: wizard nelson on November 25, 2015, 11:01:12 PM
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No new thread needed with post after post of us old folks rehashing our own stuff.
While I agree in theory, and indeed have before just posted a link to an older topic on PG craziness... for obvious reasons. but sometimes its the rehashing that gets a new convert to understand your meaning better too.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on November 26, 2015, 02:31:47 AM
I got essentially the following PM today, and I thought I'd share my response with everyone and possibly paste it into the OP of this sticky:

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So far I haven't been able to come up with a Thread worthy of being included in the Reference section. If you don't mind me asking, what am I doing wrong? How is a Thread judged good enough to be saved in the Reference Section?

Since I'm the curator that seems to be the quickest to pull the transfer topic trigger, I guess if one of your topics were to be transferred it'd probably be by me, and I'm human and that makes the decision a bit subjective.

As such I'd say that the criteria for topics I transfer are:

Let me revisit the "it has to come to my attention" part.  This is probably the most arbitrary part of my evaluating potential topics, because I'm not always active, and how something gets my attention can vary, but some rather subjective/arbitrary things influence it (Such as if I take a brake from participating on the forums).  But in addition to that, there have been plenty of times when I went on an active prowl looking for new topics to transfer, and part of my method was to go to the profiles of forum posters who have a history of generating topics that I'd transferred in the past (There is a "topics" tab in the show posts page of everyone's profile).  This ends up biasing things towards those that have already made contributions though.  But I do post in the suggest topics sticky asking for suggestions as well. 

Another way topics come to my attention is when I'm researching the forums using the search function to find a post I remember someone making that I want to use in my response to someone's current topic.  This happened today, in that Griff listed his WAGs and I searched for one I remember him generating topics on.  I saw that the topic he generated was well presented and developed, referenced interesting external mythos, and came to significant conclusions.  Although the version I transferred wasn't in itself novel, it was novel relatively recently, and wasn't represented in the DFRC.  The search also pointed me at a slightly older topic Eldest Gruff generated that had even more polish and meat to it and I transferred that one as well.
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: wizard nelson on November 26, 2015, 10:49:40 PM
whatever happened to our other triggermen from back in the day? Elegast, tcf being promenant in my head.. as a frequent poster and someone who has nominated a few threads myself, i think what the average poster wants is feedbback if we do nominate something. a no with a reason is ok, and just a no is acceptable really. its the not hearing anything in reply that gets you the pm, for some feedback... remember, perceived dislike is preferred to perceived apathy.(sorry for the phone typing)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on November 27, 2015, 04:27:11 PM
whatever happened to our other triggermen from back in the day? Elegast, tcf being promenant in my head.. as a frequent poster and someone who has nominated a few threads myself, i think what the average poster wants is feedback if we do nominate something. a no with a reason is ok, and just a no is acceptable really. its the not hearing anything in reply that gets you the pm, for some feedback... remember, perceived dislike is preferred to perceived apathy.(sorry for the phone typing)

There have been instances where something just fell off the table (curators weren't actively working to get the job done in the window necessary), otherwise, it's a matter of application of the above principals (that I spent a considerable amount of time and effort laying out in detail). 

Honestly, I'm a bit uncomfortable being explicit about decisions about individual topics not making the cut, especially publically.  I mean, each topic is someone's baby, and I'm just a volunteer.  I'd prefer not to have the stress of having to defend the group decisions or my forgetting to check back on time to get something saved. 
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Tami Seven on November 27, 2015, 04:42:23 PM
For your consideration (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,43287.0.html)

 :)
Title: Re: Suggest Topics Here!
Post by: Serack on November 27, 2015, 05:08:48 PM
For your consideration (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,43287.0.html)

*boggle* thank you so much for bringing my attention to that one.  Just in time too.  I really loved that topic when you published it.

Edit:  Hmmm, apparently I loved it so much I indexed the theory but not the topic (presumably because it wasn't locked yet)  It's linked in the index now too.

Edit2:  Just to discuss a positive application of how this topic qualified due to the earlier listed criteria: