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The Dresden Files => DF TV Series => Topic started by: Priscellie on February 04, 2007, 04:53:01 PM
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I am painfully predictable (http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/index.php/topic,1592.msg28695.html#msg28695). :D
We don't have many dates or much of a coherent timeframe yet, so this will be much less orderly than the Book Series Timeline (http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/index.php/topic,1592.0.html) I maintain. At the moment, it's organized by character, because it just makes more sense to me that way. Additionally, all episode numbers I use will be in reference to their production order, as opposed to the order in which they were aired. I realize I'm pretty much the only person in the fandom that uses this convention, but I enjoy being stubborn.
I'd appreciate any additions, clarifications, or corrections you guys have to offer! However, this is NOT the place for "discussing" the changes, positive or negative. There are a dozen other threads for that. This is also not the place for book timeline discussion. Please keep this thread restricted to TV series timeline-related discussion ONLY. I'd like to thank Shiggy in advance for her awesome Transcript-Fu, without which this process would be a lot more painful.
For those curious about the show production timeline, check out this post (http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/index.php/topic,679.msg24948.html#msg24948) by Robert. It details the chronology of the show's development.
Harry Dresden
(do we know if his middle names are kept for the show?)
(1971) His mother, Maggie, dies in childbirth, but Harry is aware at an early age that hers was not a natural death.
1981: Harry is given his mother's shield bracelet. Soon after, during one of Colm's shows in Atlantic City, Harry uses his abilities publicly. He quickly comes to the attention of his uncle, Justin Morningway. We're led to believe Harry is about 10 year old.
1982: Colm dies of a heart attack, and Harry goes to live with Justin, his next of kin. It was Bob, and not Justin, who taught Harry his magical basics--Justin being far too busy and important for such things. He let Bob do the dreary part, and then took over once Harry got his magical black belt. --Jim (http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/index.php/topic,1595.msg28698.html#msg28698)
(2001/2): (Five years before the events of the show) Harry uses black magic to "self-defense [Justin] to death." The High Council rules that Harry did it in self-defense, but his probation officer Morgan suspects otherwise. He would be only too happy to catch Harry in another transgression.
Harry burns Bob's first Grimoire.
In the wake of Justin's demise, the High Council apparently judged that Bob would be a good Jiminy Cricket for Dresden--and, the way their twisty minds work, they probably planned to use him as a snitch/informer/witness for the prosecution if Dresden started getting out of line again. --Jim (http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/index.php/topic,1595.msg28698.html#msg28698)
Robert notes: (http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/index.php/topic,1589.msg31898.html#msg31898) Since we've simplified the backstory a bit and since we have Dresden kill Justin much later in life than in the books, there's not much room for Ebenezar. In some ways we cannibalized the book version of Ebenezar into Justin and a bit into Morgan and a bit into Mai.
2007: The events of the show! Hopefully we'll get some dates to better pin down the episodes.
Constanza ("Connie") Murphy
Date Unknown: She becomes a Lieutenant in the Chicago Police Department. (The S.I. department does not exist in the show's mythology)
Dates Unknown: She gets married, then divorced. We don't know how this corresponds to the dates of when she became a Lieutenant. The only date we have to deal with is:
1997-8: Daughter Anna is born. She is 9 years old at the time of the show.
Bob, aka Hrothbert of Bainbridge
"Hrothbert" is old English for "Robert"
A thousand years or so ago: The wizard Hrothbert wrote his first Grimoire, which includes a nasty little device called a "Doom Box."
Hrothbert went warlock, and wound up taking an axe blow to the back of the head as a result. Now he's essentially a ghost, cursed to haunt his own skull for all eternity.
When it comes to magic, he can't do it himself any more, and he can't interact with anything physically, but he bears a certain amount of professional pride. Oh sure, some of the stuff he did was black as hell, but it was frickin' elegant, dammit. Just look at those formulae! Sure, he was a fool to go down that road, but since he was going down it anyway, he did it in style!
--Jim (http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/index.php/topic,1595.msg28698.html#msg28698)
The 16th Century: Hrothbert learns some showtunes.
Time Unknown: Hrothbert comes into Justin Morningway's possession. He serves him well.
See Harry's entry for their chronology together.
Other:
1996/1997: Scott Sharp is born and given to Sheryl Sharp and her husband. The boy is followed by ravens from day one--we later learn these Ravens are mercenaries, hired the to protect the boy for the Council. The husband soon leaves. Scott is ten years old at the time of "Birds of a Feather" (1x03).
Late 2005/Early 2006: Gus Boone serves five years for aggravated assault, gets out, and kills 17-year-old Lisa Harding the next day in the process of stealing the Lock of Anubis. He then steals the body of wealthy stockbroker and very eligible bachelor, Edward Miller. One year later, the girl's father, Charles Harding, brings Harry in on a case of haunting in "The Boone Identity" (1x04).
2007: The events of "Storm Front" (1x01) actually happen first in terms of episode continuity, regardless of viewing order.
2007: The events of "Birds of a Feather" (1x01). Melissa and the real Whitney Timmons are killed. According to Robert (http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/index.php/topic,1589.msg31442.html#msg31442), Melissa was a records keeper for the High Council. A middle class type operator with limited abilities. She could access the Council records from anywhere with a thought. Pretty much a one trick pony.
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(On the off chance I exceed the character limit of this post as well, I'm leaving this empty post as a placeholder. That way, I can expand the timeline without creating a new thread!)
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Priscellie...you rock! And, um, 'Transcript-Fu'? It's a martial art now? Does this mean I get another Black Belt to put beside my other one?
Oh, and the Grimoire was destroyed at the time of Justin's death.
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Priscellie...you rock! And, um, 'Transcript-Fu'? It's a martial art now? Does this mean I get another Black Belt to put beside my other one?
Oh, and the Grimoire was destroyed at the time of Justin's death.
That's what I figured, but since they didn't say so explicitly, I chose to put it slightly afterward. *shrug* Though it'd probably make more sense to move it to before Harry's trial...
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It may have been before Justin's death. But you're right, this isn't very clear:
Bob: My first Grimoire. Your uncle had a copy of it. I believe you burned it.
Harry: Pretty nasty stuff in there Bob.
Bob: Yes, well, it served him well, as did I, right up until you self-defenced him to death.
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Bob, aka Hrothbert of Bainbridge
The 16th Century: Hrothbert learns some showtunes.
I love your attention to detail. One hopes that Bob's threat may be realized in a future episode.
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I was under the impression that Bob was only about 500 yrs old, not a thousand...where'd the thousand come from?
Also, if it helps, I believe (could be wrong) that he died in the 16th century.
Maybe showtunes drove him to be a warlock?
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*Gasp!* How did you learn our deep, dark, secret? No matter; one day we shall RULE THE WORLD! AHAHAHAHA
I mean, uh, what a silly idea!
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Harry Voice Over: Not all ghosts are spooky or have unfinished business, some are just annoying. Especially when the ghost has 1,000 years of supernatural knowledge he feels compelled to share. Constantly.
Priscellie, I hope this quote from The Boone Identity didn't make you think that Bob was 1k old. Just that he has that much knowledge. I think book!Bob also has more years of knowledge than his actual years of existance.
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I was under the impression that Bob was only about 500 yrs old, not a thousand...where'd the thousand come from?
I think it was in the second episode that Harry said Bob had 1,000 years of magical knowledge.
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Harry Voice Over: Not all ghosts are spooky or have unfinished business, some are just annoying. Especially when the ghost has 1,000 years of supernatural knowledge he feels compelled to share. Constantly.
Priscellie, I hope this quote from The Boone Identity didn't make you think that Bob was 1k old. Just that he has that much knowledge. I think book!Bob also has more years of knowledge than his actual years of existance.
That's the bunny. We may have to pester Robert, though 16th Century makes a lot more sense.
Speaking of showtunes, who else is utterly convinced that duty-obsessed book!Morgan is a closet Gilbert and Sullivan fan?
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Harry Voice Over: Not all ghosts are spooky or have unfinished business, some are just annoying. Especially when the ghost has 1,000 years of supernatural knowledge he feels compelled to share. Constantly.
Priscellie, I hope this quote from The Boone Identity didn't make you think that Bob was 1k old. Just that he has that much knowledge. I think book!Bob also has more years of knowledge than his actual years of existance.
That's the bunny. We may have to pester Robert, though 16th Century makes a lot more sense.
Speaking of showtunes, who else is utterly convinced that duty-obsessed book!Morgan is a closet Gilbert and Sullivan fan?
He is the very model of a modern magic general.
He has information vegetable, animal, and ethereal
He knows the Queens of Faerie, and He quotes the fights fantastical
He is the very model of a modern magic general.
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Oh, hey! Could it be possible that wizard!Bob was a few centuries old when he died, and he was offed in the 16th Century? I feel like that would satisfy all criteria.
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How long do wizards typically live?
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Book Wizards can live a hell of a long time. I think both Ebenezar and The Merlin are over 300. They don't call Ancient Mai Ancient for nothing... We don't know if TV wizards live as long with magic being generally lower powered than in the books.
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Yeah, because of the 'unnaturally' long lifespan, Harry is just a spring chicken.
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..and just because he says a thousand years of knowledge does not mean that is is a thousand years of knowledge; just that he said it was.
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It could very well be 1000 years of knowledge. Just not Bob's knowledge.
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Yeah, because of the 'unnaturally' long lifespan, Harry is just a spring chicken.
Do they prolong their lives using magic? Or is it just an inherent part of being a wizard?
I wondered why Justin looked like he hadn't aged.
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Wizards in the books naturally live longer than normal humans, to the count of 300 to 400 years. They also heal a little bit faster and a lot better than normal people, which is why Harry can repeatedly get the ever-living crap beat out of him and, barring particularly grievous injuries, be good to go by the start of the next book.
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Wizards in the books naturally live longer than normal humans, to the count of 300 to 400 years. They also heal a little bit faster and a lot better than normal people, which is why Harry can repeatedly get the ever-living crap beat out of him and, barring particularly grievous injuries, be good to go by the start of the next book.
Of course, nearly an entire year elapses between each book!
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Of course, nearly an entire year elapses between each book!
True, but as Butters says, Harry's injuries aren't cumulative. If they were, Harry would have quite a few mobility problems, aches and twinges by now. Instead he's more or less good as new by the time the next book starts (so he can get the crap kicked out of him yet again.) :)
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Speaking of showtunes, who else is utterly convinced that duty-obsessed book!Morgan is a closet Gilbert and Sullivan fan?
He is the very model of a modern magic general.
He has information vegetable, animal, and ethereal
He knows the Queens of Faerie, and He quotes the fights fantastical
He is the very model of a modern magic general.
Somewhat late, but this post makes me wish to bear your internet children. And what address should we deliver your shiny new internets to?
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(2003/4): (Three years before the events of the show) Harry uses black magic to "self-defense [Justin] to death."
You probably already noted this, but just in case: According to "Bad Blood" last night, he self-defensed him to death five years ago. :)
He is the very model of a modern magic general.
He has information vegetable, animal, and ethereal
He knows the Queens of Faerie, and He quotes the fights fantastical
He is the very model of a modern magic general.
Somewhat late, but this post makes me wish to bear your internet children. And what address should we deliver your shiny new internets to?
I, too, love the parody! :D But I shall never bear anyone's children, sorry.
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Speaking of showtunes, who else is utterly convinced that duty-obsessed book!Morgan is a closet Gilbert and Sullivan fan?
He is the very model of a modern magic general.
He has information vegetable, animal, and ethereal
He knows the Queens of Faerie, and He quotes the fights fantastical
He is the very model of a modern magic general.
Somewhat late, but this post makes me wish to bear your internet children. And what address should we deliver your shiny new internets to?
Thanks, but I'll have to pass on the internet children. :D My gf has an account here and while she isn't active I never know if she may be lurking. :P
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I was under the impression that Bob was only about 500 yrs old, not a thousand...where'd the thousand come from?
Also, if it helps, I believe (could be wrong) that he died in the 16th century.
Maybe showtunes drove him to be a warlock?
Haha. I think that was put in there to deliberately make reference to Terrence Mann's theatrical past. Terrence is a well known name on Broadway. I saw him in The Rocky Horror Show six years ago. He's Dr. Frank on the official Broadway revial cast album for The Rocky Horror Show, Javert in Les Miserables, Beast in Beauty and the Beast and Rum Tum Tugger in Cats, not to mention he sang Power of the Night in the movie Critters
He has an incredible voice. They would have to be stupid not to exploit it at some point on the show.
And yes, I am also laughing at the above mentioned parody. Too bad I'm not that witty.
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... not to mention he sang Power of the Night in the movie Critters
OH
MY
GOD
"We're here for the Crites".
I'd never have guessed.
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... not to mention he sang Power of the Night in the movie Critters
oooohhh I love his VOICE. Damn.
Powers That Be, please let Bob sing next season!
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... not to mention he sang Power of the Night in the movie Critters
OH
MY
GOD
"We're here for the Crites".
I'd never have guessed.
Yes, he was Ug / Johnny Steele in Critters. By the time you get to the fourth Critters movie he starts to resemble Bob as we know him but before then it's very hard to tell it's the same man. That man's gone under as many changes as David Bowie or more presicely Tim Curry.
Now I get a little obsessive conpulsive when I discover something new that I like. Being a Broadway fan and born New Yorker (though now I live in Upstate New York) I already had the albums for The Rocky Horror Show (which I saw live when Terrence / Bob was Dr. Frank N. Futter) and Les Miserables on CD but after I got into Dresden Files I found myself downloading Beauty and the Beast's Broadway cast album and Cats (I don't even like Cats) and I found Power of the Night on a Terrence Mann message board in Mp3 format and I burned that to disc.
Now I want Bob to sing!
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Off topic but he's also the voice of Oberon on the animated series Gargoyles. I found this particularly funny because someone told me Bob of the books (though an entirely different entity and I haven't finished reading them yet) pissed off the faery Queen. In folk lore Oberon is Mab's son and he becomes the Faery king and marries Titania. They appear in Shakespeare's A midsummer Night's dream.
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Bob of the books ... pissed off the faery Queen. In folk lore Oberon is Mab's son and he becomes the Faery king and marries Titania.
And Oberon regularly pisses off Titania. :D
*waves at Darkling* Glad you found your way here. :)
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Bob of the books ... pissed off the faery Queen. In folk lore Oberon is Mab's son and he becomes the Faery king and marries Titania.
And Oberon regularly pisses off Titania. :D
*waves at Darkling* Glad you found your way here. :)
Hello, ButMad. Glad you lead the way. ;)
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(2003/4): (Three years before the events of the show) Harry uses black magic to "self-defense [Justin] to death."
You probably already noted this, but just in case: According to "Bad Blood" last night, he self-defensed him to death five years ago. :)
Fixed! Stupid episode synopsis from the press pack was inaccurate.
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Priscellie...you rock! And, um, 'Transcript-Fu'? It's a martial art now? Does this mean I get another Black Belt to put beside my other one?
I thought I was the only one nutty enough to try to transcribe a TV show.
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Priscellie-- What About Bob let us know that Colm died in 1982.
I'm watching it again, just in case we can pin down any more dates. yeah... that's why... ;D
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Priscellie-- What About Bob let us know that Colm died in 1982.
In San Francisco, if that makes any difference. :)
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In San Francisco, if that makes any difference. :)
He died of a heart attack. In San Francisco.
I believe there's a song....
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Directly after the self-defensing, Harry is found and sheltered by Bianca, who refuses to suck his blood even when he begs her to...
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I found Power of the Night on a Terrence Mann message board in Mp3 format and I burned that to disc.
Now I want Bob to sing!
OO I've been looking for that track for ages. I don't suppose you'd feel much like sharing?
Edit: never mind. I found it.
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Whoopse, didn't realize you already found it.
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Just for reference... from "what about bob" you find out that Harry did know his mother but she left at an early age cause she couldn't take his father's constant moving around. In "birds of a feathers" the flashback to when he's in the room and the closet opens, he says, when his father gives him the shield bracelet, that he will find the monster that killed his mother and kill it. It's like he knew his mom but not very well.
I need to find the exact reference or let Darkling list it ;)
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Just for reference... from "what about bob" you find out that Harry did know his mother but she left at an early age cause she couldn't take his father's constant moving around.
You're mistaken. It's sad (I have no life) but I have this episode, line for line, memorized. She did not leave Harry and his father. In fact during the argument with Justin Harry asks him if he's the one who killed his mother. 'Did you kill her?!' 'No. I. Did. -Not-!' Dresden then looks to Bob and asks 'Is he telling the truth?' Bob stammers and then notices the piece of broken table flying for Harry and shouts to warn him. Harry drops on the voodoo doll, Justin dies.
Please don't misquote me.
I don't like finding out months after the fact that someone has been misquoting me to claim the show version of Harry's mother was alive and or that Harry knew her. No. He knew about her. In What about Bob Harry asks Bob if he knew his mother. This is because Harry, himself, has no actual memories of her. Bob replies that he did not know her very well but knew her well enough to know she was a force to be reckoned with.
When Harry's father gives him the shield bracelet in Birds of a Feather Harry asks 'Why wasn't she wearing it?' (he's talking about when she died) and Malcolm says 'I don't know.'
I never claimed the show version of Harry's mother left him and Malcolm and I would fiercely argue anyone who would claim such a thing. There were only twelve episodes but certain things were firmly established for it's mythos.
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Please don't misquote me.
I didn't quote you. I just said I remember hearing in one of the episodes that he said his mother couldn't take the moving around and had left. I never said YOU said that. I just said if there is that quote, you would remember and list it.
Please read things before you freak out on people and send them private msgs saying things they didn't say.
Thanks! :P
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I didn't quote you. I just said I remember hearing in one of the episodes that he said his mother couldn't take the moving around and had left. I never said YOU said that. I just said if there is that quote, you would remember and list it.
Please read things before you freak out on people and send them private msgs saying things they didn't say.
Thanks! :P
That line is never said. (And it contradicts very important parts of Birds of a Feather and What about Bob). You must have really misheard a piece of dialogue and I think I know which one. I've been part of the weekly view in for two years having only missed it maybe five times, that means I've watched Dresden Files once a week for two years. You got it mixed up. And I think I know where your mistake is. In the Bad Blood episode, Harry's drunk and a little slurry, he mentioned complaining as a child because of all the moving around. Bianca tries to console him by saying that's what children do, they complain. I think you misheard him in that scene. If you have trouble with how he sounded in that scene the closed captions are pretty accurate.
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I'd just like to point out one tiny mistake - in Second City, when Murphy's dad is discussing Harry's family, he says Harry's mother died when he was three, not in childbirth like in the books. (He also calls her a gypsy, which I found really cool.)
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I'd just like to point out one tiny mistake - in Second City, when Murphy's dad is discussing Harry's family, he says Harry's mother died when he was three, not in childbirth like in the books. (He also calls her a gypsy, which I found really cool.)
I think it was to imply that his research was inaccurate.
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I think it was to imply that his research was inaccurate.
Okay, but was it ever mentioned elsewhere in the show that his mother died in childbirth? Not to nitpick, but I'm just a stickler for details. ;)
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Okay, but was it ever mentioned elsewhere in the show that his mother died in childbirth? Not to nitpick, but I'm just a stickler for details. ;)
There's a vague reference to her death in birds of a feather.