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Title: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: CGinCA on February 03, 2007, 12:39:39 AM
Is there anyway to get a list of the order the shows were shot in and the order they are being shown in.     I know that there was something like that on here briefly but I am either missing it or not searching for it right.

Thanks

Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Priscellie on February 03, 2007, 12:47:20 AM
This thread (http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/index.php/topic,1515.0.html) is probably what you were thinking of.  Anyway, here's all we know so far:

Production Order:
1x01: Storm Front
1x02: Rules of Engagement
1x03: Birds of a Feather
1x04: The Boone Identity
1x05: Hair of the Dog
1x06: Walls
1x07: Bad Blood
1x08: Soul Beneficiary
1x09: What About Bob? -- features a cameo by Jim!
1x10: The Other Dick -- guest-stars Claudia Black of Farscape!
1x11: Things That Go Bump
1x12: Second City

Airing Order:
1/21: Birds of a Feather (1x03)
1/28: The Boone Identity (1x04)
2/11: Hair of the Dog (1x05)
2/18: Rules of Engagement (1x02)
2/25: Bad Blood (1x07)
3/04: Soul Beneficiary (1x08)
3/11: Walls (1x06)
3/18: Storm Front (1x01)
3/25: The Other Dick (1x10)
4/01: What About Bob? (1x09)
4/08: Things That Go Bump (1x11)
4/15: Second City (1x12)
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: CGinCA on February 03, 2007, 12:59:06 AM
Yes it was Priscellie, that was the thread I was thinking about.    *LOL*   

Thanks for this one.    It will help me when I get them all taped to try and both watch them in order shown and in order shoot.   


Thanks
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Priscellie on February 03, 2007, 01:01:16 AM
Yes it was Priscellie, that was the thread I was thinking about.    *LOL*   

Thanks for this one.    It will help me when I get them all taped to try and both watch them in order shown and in order shoot.   


Thanks

Hee, welcome!  I feel like I'm the only person on the entire internet consistently using the production order, rather than the airing order.  It's a lonely, uphill battle, but one worth fighting!
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: TedR on February 03, 2007, 01:30:21 AM
Good grief, they bumped Storm Front back to March??????   >:( >:( >:( >:(

Show the doggone show, already!!!!!

I must confess to being utterly mystified about the airing order.  I don't know what Sciffy is thinking.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: CGinCA on February 03, 2007, 04:25:27 AM
Would it be possible to get this stickered, Priscellie?   If you have that power?

Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Priscellie on February 03, 2007, 05:28:25 AM
Would it be possible to get this stickered, Priscellie?   If you have that power?

Alas, I am but a lowly mortal.  Only mods have such powers!  Try poking Mickey or Fred or Ashton about it.


Good grief, they bumped Storm Front back to March??????   >:( >:( >:( >:(

Show the doggone show, already!!!!!

I must confess to being utterly mystified about the airing order.  I don't know what Sciffy is thinking.

Skiffy is thinking that they recast three prominent characters (Bob, Justin, and Ancient Mai) and also significantly cut down the length of the episode so it was in an actually airable format.  Pickups plus post production plus the Superbowl and the Oscars equals March.  It'll be here before you know it!
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Mickey Finn on February 03, 2007, 02:47:38 PM
Wait...they recast Mai from the bug-girl that was in Andromeda's pilot? Robert was so hyped to be working with her, before....
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: TedR on February 03, 2007, 04:47:53 PM
Well that would surely explain it.  For some reason I thought that Storm Front was already "in the can", so to speak, and that they were just choosing to delay it for some other reason.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Mickey Finn on February 03, 2007, 05:07:11 PM
Well, I know they had to do re-shoots on Bob....this is the first I've heard of Justin & Mai
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: CGinCA on February 03, 2007, 05:27:21 PM
Thanks for the Sticky on this post.   This will help me as I watch this later.   

*smiles*   I am also sad though that the "Storm Front" episode is so far down the line.   But things like this happen.   
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: CarolM on February 03, 2007, 05:33:27 PM
I've been reading this thread and I have to ask, do US TV executives usually make sensible decisions that their viewers can understand? Ones that are not governed by financial restraints and things like recasting? I've seen no sign of this phenomena in the UK, and judging by the cancellation of Angel  :'( :'( :'(, I'd assumed the same applied in the US.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Priscellie on February 03, 2007, 07:40:11 PM
Well, I know they had to do re-shoots on Bob....this is the first I've heard of Justin & Mai

It's from this post from Jim (http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/index.php/topic,1692.msg31634.html#msg31634), which Robert seemed to confirm here (http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/index.php/topic,679.msg32014.html#msg32014).  At least, he didn't call me on it and tell me I was mistaken, but then he's a very busy man.

Weird, because the press release my source snagged last month still lists Elizabeth Thai as Ancient Mai.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: robinsage on February 07, 2007, 12:29:45 PM
I find this re-ordering completely mystifying. Feather was not a stronger episode, it was throwing you into the middle of the series without explaining much of anything. There's a reason Storm Front was going to be the premiere, and two hours. It was the first book in the series, so I imagine it would have done what any good series premiere would, which was to set the stage, explain the basics, and open the world of the show to the viewer. You'd think the network execs would have figured out after Firefly that it doesn't work to pick a "stronger" episode from the middle of the season, and show it first, completely out of context, chronological and otherwise.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Priscellie on February 12, 2007, 05:45:59 AM
The schedule post (2nd in this thread) has been updated to reflect the change in Sci-Fi's schedule.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on February 12, 2007, 08:07:12 AM
I just noticed when playing the preview for next weeks episode (ROE) on the SFC site they list it as episode #106.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Priscellie on February 12, 2007, 03:25:24 PM
I just noticed when playing the preview for next weeks episode (ROE) on the SFC site they list it as episode #106.

That's bizarre.  It flies against what was said in the press release a few months ago.  I'll have to check it out.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: kimluvs2read on February 12, 2007, 08:13:20 PM
I find this re-ordering completely mystifying. Feather was not a stronger episode, it was throwing you into the middle of the series without explaining much of anything. There's a reason Storm Front was going to be the premiere, and two hours. It was the first book in the series, so I imagine it would have done what any good series premiere would, which was to set the stage, explain the basics, and open the world of the show to the viewer. You'd think the network execs would have figured out after Firefly that it doesn't work to pick a "stronger" episode from the middle of the season, and show it first, completely out of context, chronological and otherwise.

It seems Sciffy just didn't learn from the FOX fiasco. I wish they would have! I am enjoying the show though.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: iago on February 12, 2007, 09:17:41 PM
Here's what I realized recently.  While the first two episodes weren't nearly as strong as the third, they did the heavy lifting necessary for us to understand who the core characters of the series are and what they do. 

The third episode, Hair of a Dog, was very strong by comparison -- and that strength was in part because it didn't have to stop to explain itself.  It benefitted from those first two episodes, even if those two meant the series didn't open as strong as it could have.

I'm getting pretty happy with the show's order of things when I think about this.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: BigMama on February 12, 2007, 10:36:06 PM
There is also a feeling of escalating tension. The magic seems to be more complex and the characterizations a bit more intense.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Soulless Mystic5523 on February 12, 2007, 10:42:41 PM
Although, I personally am a fan of the extra long premiere. It worked for Eureka, and other series in the past. By having that extra time, you can get your heavy hitting in, and still have time to explain everything. But with out having seen that origianl 2 hour pilot, we don't know how good a job they did doing that.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on February 13, 2007, 12:22:07 AM

That's bizarre.  It flies against what was said in the press release a few months ago.  I'll have to check it out.

I would love to know the answer to this, as well. It could just be a mixup on the site with who ever posted the preview just going off the numbers previously used for the last 3 episodes BUT...

Was the original pilot a single, two-hour episode (101) or was it two episodes (101,102) simply shown together. This would explain why "Birds..." was 103 as I've never heard any reason for Rules Of Engagement to be held back if it indeed is the 2nd episode in production order.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on February 13, 2007, 12:25:09 AM
Here's what I realized recently.  While the first two episodes weren't nearly as strong as the third, they did the heavy lifting necessary for us to understand who the core characters of the series are and what they do. 

Yes, for all the knocks it takes I thought "Birds..." worked exceptionally well as a pilot (and the flashbacks just added to that feeling). of the 3 we've seen so far it's the only one that really works well in that position, imo. Some people say it doesn't hand out enough of a 'starting point' but it doesn't seem radically different to the pilots for Buffy or the 2005 revival of Doctor Who (and it compares favoriably with those episodes, as well).
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on February 13, 2007, 12:27:06 AM
Although, I personally am a fan of the extra long premiere. It worked for Eureka, and other series in the past. By having that extra time, you can get your heavy hitting in, and still have time to explain everything. But with out having seen that origianl 2 hour pilot, we don't know how good a job they did doing that.

Well, it's just my assumption but... given that they're going to the extra lengths to cut it down to a single hour, I'd guess it had more problems than just recasting...
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on February 14, 2007, 08:36:49 AM
That's bizarre.  It flies against what was said in the press release a few months ago.  I'll have to check it out.

Priscellie, do you have any verifiable sources for the production codes? I've been adding them to the Wikipedia listing for the show but they get continually removed by other editors due to not having a valid source (and urls to web forums are apparently unfit.)
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Priscellie on February 15, 2007, 05:49:50 AM
That's bizarre.  It flies against what was said in the press release a few months ago.  I'll have to check it out.

Priscellie, do you have any verifiable sources for the production codes? I've been adding them to the Wikipedia listing for the show but they get continually removed by other editors due to not having a valid source (and urls to web forums are apparently unfit.)

The numbers for the first five episodes in production order (Storm Front through Hair of the Dog) come from a press release from SciFi and NBC.  Unfortunately, I can't furnish you with a link.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Phil Boswell on February 19, 2007, 08:01:09 AM
Although, I personally am a fan of the extra long premiere. It worked for Eureka, and other series in the past. By having that extra time, you can get your heavy hitting in, and still have time to explain everything. But with out having seen that origianl 2 hour pilot, we don't know how good a job they did doing that.

Well, it's just my assumption but... given that they're going to the extra lengths to cut it down to a single hour, I'd guess it had more problems than just recasting...
Quite a lot of extra effort is required because Bob has changed from the face-in-the-fire concept to the walking-around-ghost, so they've had to reshoot those scenes.

Or to take your question in a different sense, the fact that they are going to these extra lengths to fit the "original two-hour pilot" into the new one-hour format would indicate that that original episode was worth saving, which bodes well ;)
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on February 19, 2007, 09:08:57 AM

Quite a lot of extra effort is required because Bob has changed from the face-in-the-fire concept to the walking-around-ghost, so they've had to reshoot those scenes.

Yes, very true but I'm not sure how that would have an effect on the editing of length, unless of course they opted to excise some of Bob's scenes rather than reshoot them all.

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Or to take your question in a different sense, the fact that they are going to these extra lengths to fit the "original two-hour pilot" into the new one-hour format would indicate that that original episode was worth saving, which bodes well ;)

My mention of problems was actually in direct reference to the pacing of the original. I just got the impression that the original might have been a bit 'slow' in the pacing department which is why they finally opted to cut it down rather than saving it all for a later 'super-sized' showing. I would indeed hope it was worth saving (and I have no reason to think otherwise as I've enjoyed every episode I've seen so far) but I just hope they don't have to cut out too much of the main plot or we may end up with something a bit clunky. I know a couple of the normal 43 minute episodes have had a few scenes removed that could have helped with the finer details here and there, it must be really tough to cut 50% of an episode and make it work.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on February 26, 2007, 06:02:08 PM
I just noticed when playing the preview for next weeks episode (ROE) on the SFC site they list it as episode #106.

That's bizarre.  It flies against what was said in the press release a few months ago.  I'll have to check it out.

Update on this, the episode as released through iTunes confirms that RoE is, indeed, #102. The editor at the SFC site just wasn't on the ball, I guess.  ;D

ALSO: Bad Blood has a Production ID of 107, not 106, according to the same source.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: dawnsister on February 27, 2007, 03:13:38 AM
AND Robert said we were going to get the two hour Storm Front at some point.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Zol. on February 27, 2007, 09:53:32 AM
AND Robert said we were going to get the two hour Storm Front at some point.

but not as part of the series, possibly on DVD.

The Storm Front episode when it airs will most likely still be cut down to fit into the series.

Personally, I think a nice thing that could be done is that when the series comes out on DVD that the Storm Frony Pilot could be included on that as an extra - I couldn't see many non-fans buying it.

Darin (Zol.)
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Valorclast on February 28, 2007, 09:33:14 PM
AND Robert said we were going to get the two hour Storm Front at some point.

but not as part of the series, possibly on DVD.

The Storm Front episode when it airs will most likely still be cut down to fit into the series.

Personally, I think a nice thing that could be done is that when the series comes out on DVD that the Storm Frony Pilot could be included on that as an extra - I couldn't see many non-fans buying it.

Darin (Zol.)


yes, when I heard that the airing order would be drastically different from production, Firefly leapt to mind. Firefly DVD has the whole pilot and the correct order. Considering other series that have been canceled and then released wholly on DVD, it would seem that the 2-hour Storm Front will appear on DVD.

and now onto something completely different: Who was originally cast as Justin?
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Watcher19 on March 01, 2007, 07:29:41 PM
I noticed during episode 1 of the marathon they advertised a different episode of DF for Sunday. Instead of the one where Dresden gets "married" it was one featuring Bob (I'll leave off the more specific description from the promo since there aren't any spoiler tags here). I wonder if they had to pull the "married" episode for some reason.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on March 01, 2007, 08:06:53 PM
I noticed during episode 1 of the marathon they advertised a different episode of DF for Sunday. Instead of the one where Dresden gets "married" it was one featuring Bob (I'll leave off the more specific description from the promo since there aren't any spoiler tags here). I wonder if they had to pull the "married" episode for some reason.

More likely they were simply advertising a different sub-plot of the same episode.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: ButMadNNW on March 01, 2007, 08:48:09 PM
I noticed during episode 1 of the marathon they advertised a different episode of DF for Sunday.

More likely they were simply advertising a different sub-plot of the same episode.

*nods* I noticed the new promo, myself. If you watch both of the promos, they feature the same line uttered by Bob about "someone of tremendous power."

EDIT: Woot! I'm a Wizard! ;D
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on March 06, 2007, 05:12:02 AM
Update:  Soul Beneficiary is listed as having a Production ID of 108 according to Lionsgate/iTunes.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Sway on March 06, 2007, 10:49:26 AM
Update:  Soul Beneficiary is listed as having a Production ID of 108 according to Lionsgate/iTunes.

I read somewhere is was 1x06?
Oh well.. there goes my screencaps numbering.

Thanks for sharing though :D
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on March 06, 2007, 06:59:09 PM
I read somewhere is was 1x06?
Oh well.. there goes my screencaps numbering.

Thanks for sharing though :D

Ooops.  ;D

I think people were just half-assuming it might be 106. Bad Blood was assumed to be 106 at one point, as well. Given the way this series has been shown one can never tell what's coming up next.

...and given that Robert Wolfe has stated the episodes have been edited based on the order they're airing in I'm not too sure the Production ID's are quite as important as we once thought. For example, even if Storm Front started out as 101, I have a feeling it now wouldn't fit so well in that slot.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Sway on March 06, 2007, 07:42:18 PM
Ooops.  ;D

I think people were just half-assuming it might be 106. Bad Blood was assumed to be 106 at one point, as well. Given the way this series has been shown one can never tell what's coming up next.

...and given that Robert Wolfe has stated the episodes have been edited based on the order they're airing in I'm not too sure the Production ID's are quite as important as we once thought. For example, even if Storm Front started out as 101, I have a feeling it now wouldn't fit so well in that slot.

I guess you're right. It's not really that important since there wasn't much continuity stuff so far.
It's just bothering me a little when I try to set up a decent episode order for my site, you know? The first couple of episodes were pretty clear and now, nobody knows.

But that's just me, being a little anal about these things ;)
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Lord Khym on March 06, 2007, 09:04:11 PM
I am assuming that eventually we will all convert over to one set production order.  Most series are listed that way.  But is is confusing for us at the moment to be stuck with the airing order.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Zol. on March 06, 2007, 09:08:27 PM
Unfortunately the production order is not listed in the press pack - if someone studies the end credits, it should be listed there.

Darin (Zol.)
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on March 06, 2007, 09:41:31 PM
I am assuming that eventually we will all convert over to one set production order.  Most series are listed that way.  But is is confusing for us at the moment to be stuck with the airing order.

If you see Robert's comments in the Soul Beneficiary thread, you'll find that the episodes have been edited so as to fit better in airing order BUT that it shouldn't matter too much either way. It sounds like Storm Front would no longer fit very well at the beginning, though.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on March 06, 2007, 09:42:19 PM
Unfortunately the production order is not listed in the press pack - if someone studies the end credits, it should be listed there.



I looked at one and didn't see it but since Lionsgate provides that info via iTunes, it's all good.

Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: SaraCollins on March 11, 2007, 07:20:09 AM
If you watch the promos on the Sci-Fi channel website, they list the original production number at the bottom of the episode name (oddly enough). Walls is 1x06.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on March 11, 2007, 10:15:38 AM
If you watch the promos on the Sci-Fi channel website, they list the original production number at the bottom of the episode name (oddly enough). Walls is 1x06.

I've noticed this before...  but, believe it or not, the SFC website is not always correct either. If you look back in this thread, they previously identified Rules Of Engagement as 106, as well.  ::)

However, in this case, it's probably true...
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Zol. on March 11, 2007, 12:03:43 PM
I've just checked on the rough cut, it is labeled as Ep. 108 for 'Soul Beneficiary'.

Darin (Zol.)

Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: Priscellie on March 11, 2007, 08:35:19 PM
Update:  Soul Beneficiary is listed as having a Production ID of 108 according to Lionsgate/iTunes.

Thanks!  I updated the main listing.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on March 13, 2007, 01:33:43 AM
Update:  Soul Beneficiary is listed as having a Production ID of 108 according to Lionsgate/iTunes.

Thanks!  I updated the main listing.

...and today I can confirm that Walls is indeed listed as 106.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on April 03, 2007, 06:53:48 AM
Update: The Other Dick is listed as 110 and What About Bob is confirmed as 109 via Lionsgate/iTunes.
Title: Re: Shooting Order Vs Airing Order
Post by: John T. Folden on April 09, 2007, 03:58:54 PM
..Things That Go Bump is confirmed as 111 via Lionsgate/iTunes. 

Only one episode left.  :o :'(