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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: cander891 on May 20, 2025, 06:35:23 PM
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In my current reread, I was digging into Grave Peril, and after Harry gets bit by the nightmare, Bob explains how humans become ghosts. Is there any possibility that Murphy becomes a ghost, meets her dad, or haunts Harry? Or does the Valkryie / Odin stuff make that not possible.
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In my current reread, I was digging into Grave Peril, and after Harry gets bit by the nightmare, Bob explains how humans become ghosts. Is there any possibility that Murphy becomes a ghost, meets her dad, or haunts Harry? Or does the Valkryie / Odin stuff make that not possible.
She isn't a Valkdryie, she has become an Einherjar. According to Gard she cannot come back until all those who remember her are gone... So according to the rules, Harry should not see her anymore. However we all know Jim will find a way around that, even if Harry sees her in the alternative universe in Mirrormirror, and then it won't be like it was so more pain for Harry. Which may explain the wisdom of the rule in the first place.
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"The rules" being something which distinctly sounded made up on the spot by Gard to me. We never heard of this rule before Gard mentioned it and how firm it is, is a thing of complete speculation.
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"The rules" being something which distinctly sounded made up on the spot by Gard to me. We never heard of this rule before Gard mentioned it and how firm it is, is a thing of complete speculation.
I doubt that Gard made it up, you forget that she also lost her lover in the battle for Chicago. She understands and accepts the rule, if she could get her lover back in any form, I think she would. If we do see Murphy again I think it will be in the alternate universe of Mirrormirror. I also think because of this, Harry will also come to understand the why of the rule and accept it.
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I doubt that Gard made it up, you forget that she also lost her lover in the battle for Chicago. She understands and accepts the rule, if she could get her lover back in any form, I think she would. If we do see Murphy again I think it will be in the alternate universe of Mirrormirror. I also think because of this, Harry will also come to understand the why of the rule and accept it.
Gard is a Valkyrie. She can go visit Hendricks any time she likes in the golden hall of Valhalla.
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So, how does someone become a Valkyrie? Doing a little research about Norse mythology the evidence needed to answer this question is somewhat sketchy and some of it comes from Roman stories about Amazons and some of it is from the post-Viking age, both of which are questionable.
There is some talk about female warriors; shield maidens, who became Valkyries. According to Gard, the Maiden idea; as in being a virgin, is nonsense. I think that conversation is in one of the short stories.
With that in mind, I could see Murphy becoming a Valkyrie, if she didn’t get that status immediately. I could even see Jim doing a Conan the Barbarian movie reference that has Valkyrie Murphy asking / telling Harry, “Do you want to live forever?”
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So, how does someone become a Valkyrie? Doing a little research about Norse mythology the evidence needed to answer this question is somewhat sketchy and some of it comes from Roman stories about Amazons and some of it is from the post-Viking age, both of which are questionable.
There is some talk about female warriors; shield maidens, who became Valkyries. According to Gard, the Maiden idea; as in being a virgin, is nonsense. I think that conversation is in one of the short stories.
With that in mind, I could see Murphy becoming a Valkyrie, if she didn’t get that status immediately. I could even see Jim doing a Conan the Barbarian movie reference that has Valkyrie Murphy asking / telling Harry, “Do you want to live forever?”
Somehow I don't think it will be that simple. If it is, I think it will amount to poor writing, if we do see Murphy again, it will either be in Mirrormirror or the final reel of the BAT.
Gard is a Valkyrie. She can go visit Hendricks any time she likes in the golden hall of Valhalla.
Can she? If she could or knew that, why was she grieving so hard for him? Because if what you say is true, then Hendricks would now be immortal like her, they could be lovers forever.
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Somehow I don't think it will be that simple. If it is, I think it will amount to poor writing, if we do see Murphy again, it will either be in Mirrormirror or the final reel of the BAT.
How would that be poor writing? Jim has set up Murphy to be kind of a living Valkyrie since about book two, where it was first mentioned that Harry perceived her as such. I just re-read the early books a few weeks ago (in preparation for Twelve Months) and was quite surprised to find that reference in there so early.
Can she? If she could or knew that, why was she grieving so hard for him? Because if what you say is true, then Hendricks would now be immortal like her, they could be lovers forever.
He still just died, probably before her eyes, so grief would be a natural reaction. Or maybe she sensed it beforehand (like she did with Harry, before Marcone intervened many books ago) and felt overcome when it finally happened.
Or maybe Santa Claus is running a big con on Harry and she was faking it under his orders. I am, in retrospect, actually kinda surprised how things went down, with Murphy being a devout catholic. One would think Uriel would have something to say to Odin about taking someone who wielded one of the three swords as an Einherjar. Unless they both want Murphy to power up in preparation for what is coming down the line. Just saying.
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So, how does someone become a Valkyrie?
In the Norse mythology that we know, nothing is that clear, you're right.
But in the Dresden Universe, we have this little passage in Aftermath:
Gard nodded, her eyes steady, and she looked back at the warehouse again. “There’s another position you might consider. Monoc Securities is always hiring. My boss is always pleased to find those with “the proper”—she pursed her lips—“frame of mind. Considering your experience and skill set, I think you could do very well as one of our security consultants.”
“And work for guys like Marcone?” I asked.
“You should bear in mind that this is the second such incursion of the fomor,” Gard said in a level voice. “And there have been a half-dozen others nosing at the city in the last eight months alone. All of them have been turned away, courtesy of Marcone.”
“He’s swell,” I said.
“He keeps his word,” Gard replied, “which puts him a step above most of your own superiors, in my opinion. Like him or not, he has defended this city. It’s no minor thing.”
“Every predator defends its territory,” I said. “Pass.”
Her eyes glittered with amusement, and she shook her head. “Vadderung would definitely find you interesting. You’ve even got the hair for it. Don’t be surprised if you get a call sometime.”
“It’s a free country,” I said.
I think the insinuation here is that becoming a valkyrie is a thing that is possible in the dresdenverse, we already know that they're not Odin's daughters.
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He still just died, probably before her eyes, so grief would be a natural reaction. Or maybe she sensed it beforehand (like she did with Harry, before Marcone intervened many books ago) and felt overcome when it finally happened.
Personally, I believe Gard has lost a bit of her touch. And she doesn't really know everything either.
One would think Uriel would have something to say to Odin about taking someone who wielded one of the three swords as an Einherjar. Unless they both want Murphy to power up in preparation for what is coming down the line. Just saying.
I think this is exactly what it is about. First, never in the books we saw Murphy being more catholic than she was shown to be than in Battle Ground, that's your first clue. Second, she reached Harry thanks to the Knights, they helped her get to the battlefield, the knights are ALWAYS where they're supposed to be, where the white god wants them to be. Third, we know that Odin and Uriel are at the very least friendly (don't they have an annual meeting over coffee or something like that?). Four, we have word of Jim about people just waking up in Valhalla, being "lent" to Odin's preparing army. Five, it makes a hell of a lot of sense, that Murphy who was compared time and again through the series to an warrior angel, and who's accompany Harry to every battle he's won, to be protected for now, preserved for later on in the series when Harry needs her the most, that she shows up to accompany him in battle again, maybe pick him up from the field and save him, you know, like some versions of the myths about valkyries, or hey, guardian angels. Also, it's an excellent piece of leverage in Odin's favor. IMO, there is a plan in motion here...
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Or maybe Santa Claus is running a big con on Harry and she was faking it under his orders. I am, in retrospect, actually kinda surprised how things went down, with Murphy being a devout catholic. One would think Uriel would have something to say to Odin about taking someone who wielded one of the three swords as an Einherjar. Unless they both want Murphy to power up in preparation for what is coming down the line. Just saying.
Considering how big a deal free will Murphy had to be given a choice. Go in to the light, or join be Odin crew.
Does anyone one still have the quote about Odin having Soul fire. Im not sure but it seems to be used in the creation of einherjar and valkyries.
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How would that be poor writing? Jim has set up Murphy to be kind of a living Valkyrie since about book two, where it was first mentioned that Harry perceived her as such. I just re-read the early books a few weeks ago (in preparation for Twelve Months) and was quite surprised to find that reference in there so early.
I don't remember his ever saying that about her in the early books. He saw her as a cop. He did see her with his wizard's sight and saw her as kind of an angel, but not as a Valkyrie.
He still just died, probably before her eyes, so grief would be a natural reaction. Or maybe she sensed it beforehand (like she did with Harry, before Marcone intervened many books ago) and felt overcome when it finally happened.
Hey, if she knew for sure about Hendricks, that he'd be with her forever, and she would know because she hauls these warriors off to Valhalla, she wouldn't be sad. Also Gard wouldn't have a reason to lie about it, she says it's one of the rules.
Or maybe Santa Claus is running a big con on Harry and she was faking it under his orders. I am, in retrospect, actually kinda surprised how things went down, with Murphy being a devout catholic. One would think Uriel would have something to say to Odin about taking someone who wielded one of the three swords as an Einherjar. Unless they both want Murphy to power up in preparation for what is coming down the line. Just saying.
I was surprised as well. Murphy rejected being a Holy Knight after Changes, remember? She felt she was a better judge than God, then she got a Holy Sword broken. Not saying that was enough for her not to go to Heaven and work for her father, but that might be why she went to Valhalla instead.
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I don't remember his ever saying that about her in the early books. He saw her as a cop. He did see her with his wizard's sight and saw her as kind of an angel, but not as a Valkyrie.
Death Masks, chapter five, page 55 of the softcover. "That said, Murphy was a monster-hunting Valkyrie. She was the only person I'd ever heard of who killed one with a chain-saw". So, yeah, book five. It all blurs together a bit when you read them sequentially.
Hey, if she knew for sure about Hendricks, that he'd be with her forever, and she would know because she hauls these warriors off to Valhalla, she wouldn't be sad. Also Gard wouldn't have a reason to lie about it, she says it's one of the rules.
Yeah, she says it's one of the rules. And I find that statement sus as hell, for reasons enunciated above. The rule sounds made up on the spot for me, because we never heard of anything of the like before in-universe.
I was surprised as well. Murphy rejected being a Holy Knight after Changes, remember? She felt she was a better judge than God, then she got a Holy Sword broken. Not saying that was enough for her not to go to Heaven and work for her father, but that might be why she went to Valhalla instead.
She also used the holy sword at Chitzen Itza and was used directly by God as a vessel to deliver his verbal message. Heaven owes her a bit, IMO. So, I suspect shenanigans from both Uriel and Odin to keep her in the game.
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Death Masks, chapter five, page 55 of the softcover. "That said, Murphy was a monster-hunting Valkyrie. She was the only person I'd ever heard of who killed one with a chain-saw". So, yeah, book five. It all blurs together a bit when you read them sequentially.
Just checked my paperback copy of Death Masks, and that line isn't on page 55. Lots of talk about demons and such, and it is a conversation with Murphy, but her being a monster hunting Valkyrie wasn't mentioned. And yes, I remember killing the chloromons
ter with the chainsaw, bad assed to be sure, but that doesn't mean she will become a Valkyrie.
Yeah, she says it's one of the rules. And I find that statement sus as hell, for reasons enunciated above. The rule sounds made up on the spot for me, because we never heard of anything of the like before in-universe.
Jim makes up a lot of rules, that is why it is fiction. The argument against what you are saying is there is no motive for Gard to make up that rule. She has no reason to want to be mean to Harry, which telling him that sounds mean if it wasn't true. She has been taking dead warriors to Valhalla for a very long time and should know the rules. Actually it sounds more like she is trying to comfort Harry, telling him that Murphy has earned her rest.
She also used the holy sword at Chitzen Itza and was used directly by God as a vessel to deliver his verbal message. Heaven owes her a bit, IMO. So, I suspect shenanigans from both Uriel and Odin to keep her in the game.
Yes, she was a Holy Knight for one night, then she took matters into her own hands. Since when does Heaven owe anyone anything? Taking Murphy to Valhalla keeps her in the game, it's just you won't see her till the final BAT.
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Just checked my paperback copy of Death Masks, and that line isn't on page 55. Lots of talk about demons and such, and it is a conversation with Murphy, but her being a monster hunting Valkyrie wasn't mentioned. And yes, I remember killing the chloromonster with the chainsaw, bad assed to be sure, but that doesn't mean she will become a Valkyrie.
It's on page 55 of my softcover, I might have a different version than yours. Just check the chapter, I found it there this morning and it's a direct quote.
Jim makes up a lot of rules, that is why it is fiction. The argument against what you are saying is there is no motive for Gard to make up that rule. She has no reason to want to be mean to Harry, which telling him that sounds mean if it wasn't true. She has been taking dead warriors to Valhalla for a very long time and should know the rules. Actually it sounds more like she is trying to comfort Harry, telling him that Murphy has earned her rest.
Might be my bias, but it sounded less genuine to me. Also, I enumerated my reasons why I think Uriel and Odin might be working together on this in my last posts.
Yes, she was a Holy Knight for one night, then she took matters into her own hands. Since when does Heaven owe anyone anything? Taking Murphy to Valhalla keeps her in the game, it's just you won't see her till the final BAT.
You might want to check on Michael in regards to heaven owing people stuff, like all the angels posted around his house to keep his family safe, even after he left active service. And I highly doubt it'll be until the BAT we see her again. Although it's not that far away anymore in terms of number of books, so you might well be right, too.
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"The rules" being something which distinctly sounded made up on the spot by Gard to me. We never heard of this rule before Gard mentioned it and how firm it is, is a thing of complete speculation.
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Why in the world would we ever have seen or heard of it before that moment?
It's an Odin thing, and Harry actually knows very little about Odin's specific rules & dealings.
We're regularly learning new stuff about the Dresdenverse... Harry's early magical education (by Justin) was abominable, and (later) Eb was trying to teach something more fundamental than reams of per-mythology Elder-Lore, so Eb didn't add very much of this (outside of the White Council fundamentals, mostly amounting to "how interact with the Council and not get Damocles-chopped by Warden Snicker-snack").
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It's on page 55 of my softcover, I might have a different version than yours. Just check the chapter, I found it there this morning and it's a direct quote.
What is the direct quote?
"That said, Murphy was a monster-hunting Valkyrie. She was the only person I'd ever heard of who killed one with a chain-saw".
Sorry but that doesn't make sense, because if it a direct quote from Harry, it wouldn't begin as you wrote it. Also killing one monster neither makes her a hunter of them, since it was attacking Harry at the time in the Lowes plant department and she happened to be there, and she surmised that a chain saw was the best way to kill a plant beast.
Might be my bias, but it sounded less genuine to me. Also, I enumerated my reasons why I think Uriel and Odin might be working together on this in my last posts.
Could be that they are, but that doesn't change that Odin is a god in his own right and has his own set of rules reguarding the warriors he has brought to Vallalha.
You might want to check on Michael in regards to heaven owing people stuff, like all the angels posted around his house to keep his family safe, even after he left active service. And I highly doubt it'll be until the BAT we see her again. Although it's not that far away anymore in terms of number of books, so you might well be right, too.
Michael is different from Murphy, he has never broken the rules regarding the Swords or being a Holy Knight. Michael doesn't have that kind of arrogance, Murphy openly displayed it believing she knew and could apply human law to Nic rather than God's Law.
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Why in the world would we ever have seen or heard of it before that moment?
It's an Odin thing, and Harry actually knows very little about Odin's specific rules & dealings.
We're regularly learning new stuff about the Dresdenverse... Harry's early magical education (by Justin) was abominable, and (later) Eb was trying to teach something more fundamental than reams of per-mythology Elder-Lore, so Eb didn't add very much of this (outside of the White Council fundamentals, mostly amounting to "how interact with the Council and not get Damocles-chopped by Warden Snicker-snack").
Yeah, and therefore it came out of nowhere and somehow now needs to be accepted as absolutely ironclad canon? For me, the whole deal of making Murphy an Einherjar is suspect from the outset, since she was a devout catholic and that did not change by the time of her death. So a "yep, we took her and now you can't see her" from the norse faction seems just a tad sus to me.
What is the direct quote?
I'll extend the quote a bit to make it easier to find. But I posted it a few posts ago. :)
"You look pensive" Murphy said. We walked down an empty hospital corridor toward the Cook County Morgue. We'd have to go the long way around so that I could avoid any areas with important medical equipment. My leather duster whispered around my legs as I walked. My blasting rod thumped against my leg rhythmically, where I'd tied it to the inside of the duster. I'd traded in my slacks for blue jeans and my dress shoes for hiking boots.
Murphy didn't look like a monster-hunting Valkyrie. She was five nothing, a hundred and nothing, and was built like an athlete, all springy muscle. Her blond hair hung down over her blue eyes, and it was cut close in back. She wore nicer clothes than usual - a maroon blouse with a grey pantsuit - and she had on more makeup than was her habit. She looked every inch the professional businesswoman.
That said, Murphy was a monster-hunting Valkyrie. She was the only person I'd ever heard of who killed one with a chain-saw. "
Sorry but that doesn't make sense, because if it a direct quote from Harry, it wouldn't begin as you wrote it. Also killing one monster neither makes her a hunter of them, since it was attacking Harry at the time in the Lowes plant department and she happened to be there, and she surmised that a chain saw was the best way to kill a plant beast.
Well, I just quoted the section from the start of chapter five and Harry calls her a monster-hunting Valkyrie twice. ^^
Could be that they are, but that doesn't change that Odin is a god in his own right and has his own set of rules reguarding the warriors he has brought to Vallalha.
Yeah, but you'd think that God is a step above him and frown on that. Since it's metaphysical stuff of the souls kind, I think the whole hands-off approach Uriel normally takes would apply here. But we'll see.
Michael is different from Murphy, he has never broken the rules regarding the Swords or being a Holy Knight. Michael doesn't have that kind of arrogance, Murphy openly displayed it believing she knew and could apply human law to Nic rather than God's Law.
"God's Law" is also a bit indeterminate here. He had no problem smiting all the vampires, but every time Nic plays the "Yup, I'm totally giving up here, teehee" card, everybody wielding one of the swords needs to take some stupid pills? In any case, even if Murphy erred in this particular instance, that doesn't just invalidate what she did at Chitzen Itza and that she was used as a direct conduit to deliver a message. In my eyes, that means the G-man owes her one.
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Murphy didn't look like a monster-hunting Valkyrie. She was five nothing, a hundred and nothing, and was built like an athlete, all springy muscle. Her blond hair hung down over her blue eyes, and it was cut close in back. She wore nicer clothes than usual - a maroon blouse with a grey pantsuit - and she had on more makeup than was her habit. She looked every inch the professional businesswoman.
That said, Murphy was a monster-hunting Valkyrie. She was the only person I'd ever heard of who killed one with a chain-saw. "
Thank you for the quote, it still doesn't make Murphy a Valkyrie in the future. It is a good way to describe a female warrior, especially when one doesn't know that much about Valkyrie, which Harry didn't at the time. It also could describe an Einherjar, or one of Odin's warriors that were brought to Valhalla until the time when Odin needs them in the final battle.
Yeah, and therefore it came out of nowhere and somehow now needs to be accepted as absolutely ironclad canon? For me, the whole deal of making Murphy an Einherjar is suspect from the outset, since she was a devout catholic and that did not change by the time of her death. So a "yep, we took her and now you can't see her" from the norse faction seems just a tad sus to me.
Actually making Murphy an Einherjar doesn't come out of nowhere. After she left the police force, Murphy worked for Odin and trained extensively with the Einherjar. As far as her being a devout Catholic, that has mainly been an assumption that we the readers have had, on the written page the evidence really isn't that clear that she was. Catholic, yes, but devout when compared to say Michael? Not so much, she might have been raised Catholic, but she can't be described as a practicing Catholic, Murphy has never mentioned attending Mass or going to Confession.
"God's Law" is also a bit indeterminate here. He had no problem smiting all the vampires, but every time Nic plays the "Yup, I'm totally giving up here, teehee" card, everybody wielding one of the swords needs to take some stupid pills? In any case, even if Murphy erred in this particular instance, that doesn't just invalidate what she did at Chitzen Itza and that she was used as a direct conduit to deliver a message. In my eyes, that means the G-man owes her one.
Maybe the payback is letting her go to Valhalla? A couple of things don't quite compute here. If Murphy was really a devout Catholic do you think she'd be overjoyed about drinking ale with the rest of the dead warriors in Valhalla instead of Heaven working with her father? Yes, she did well in C I, so instead of putting her in purgatory she gets to go to Valhalla. So a better fit since she trusts in her will and judgement and not the Almighty's will and judgement, not a punishment exactly, but not really a reward either if she was indeed a woman of faith..
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Thank you for the quote, it still doesn't make Murphy a Valkyrie in the future. It is a good way to describe a female warrior, especially when one doesn't know that much about Valkyrie, which Harry didn't at the time. It also could describe an Einherjar, or one of Odin's warriors that were brought to Valhalla until the time when Odin needs them in the final battle.
I guess we'll see. :)
Actually making Murphy an Einherjar doesn't come out of nowhere. After she left the police force, Murphy worked for Odin and trained extensively with the Einherjar. As far as her being a devout Catholic, that has mainly been an assumption that we the readers have had, on the written page the evidence really isn't that clear that she was. Catholic, yes, but devout when compared to say Michael? Not so much, she might have been raised Catholic, but she can't be described as a practicing Catholic, Murphy has never mentioned attending Mass or going to Confession.
I'm pretty sure she was described as such in the books, but it's hard to track down such quotes, unless you come along them by chance. As I advance in the books towards the current one, before the release of Twelve Months, I'll try to find one.
Maybe the payback is letting her go to Valhalla? A couple of things do quite compute here. If Murphy was really a devout Catholic do you think she'd be overjoyed about drinking ale with the rest of the dead warriors in Valhalla instead of Heaven working with her father? Yes, she did well in C I, so instead of putting her in purgatory she gets to go to Valhalla. So a better fit since she trusts in her will and judgement and not the Almighty's will and judgement, not a punishment exactly, but not really a reward either if she was indeed a woman of faith..
I don't think Murphy deserves a punishment in the first place. We'll see how things develop in the coming books, because if Jim would have wanted to write her out completely, she'd be gone completely.
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I'm pretty sure she was described as such in the books, but it's hard to track down such quotes, unless you come along them by chance. As I advance in the books towards the current one, before the release of Twelve Months, I'll try to find one.
It isn't that hard really, if a quote sticks in your head that helps to prove your point or where you think the story is going, you usually remember chapter, verse, and book. Sometimes all Jim gives us is a line or two of foreshadowing, sometimes none, sometimes it feels like there is foreshadowing all over the place, and Jim does nothing with it.
I don't think Murphy deserves a punishment in the first place. We'll see how things develop in the coming books, because if Jim would have wanted to write her out completely, she'd be gone completely.
Gard didn't see Murphy going to Valhalla as a punishment because it's what she believes in. Since I doubt that Murphy was a devote Catholic, she may not see it as a punishment either. The one being punished here is Harry, especially if Gard is right about the rules, it will be a very long time before he sees Murphy again. And if he does, it may be even crueler because she may have changed to the point where he doesn't know her anymore. Which I think it the point of the rule that cannot be broken, it is meant to be a kindness, not just for the living left behind, but for the dead as well.
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Thank you for the quote, it still doesn't make Murphy a Valkyrie in the future. It is a good way to describe a female warrior ...
Technically true, but IMHO a bit hair-splitting. Since we can be sure Odin & Gard & the Einherjaren were already in his planning, Jim using the term casually/accidentally seems awfully unlikely. If he didn't mean "Valkyrie" he could easily have gone with "skjaldmær" (shieldmaiden), who's the non-supernatural version. Or "Amazon" and get it entirely away from the whole Norse schtick.
Jim loves to drop his easter-eggs and foreshadowing; and he used "Valkyrie" twice.
There's obviously no certainty for us whether Jim meant the quoted passage to specifically foreshadow "Karrin becomes a Valkyrie," more generally as some form of "Karrin's fated to continue Fighting the Good Fight, just with a Norse flavor," or just "Karrin is a badass fighter."
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Einherjaren
Jim used Einherjaren and Murphy together a heck of a lot more. Murphy spared with them, lived with them, and I wouldn't be shocked to find out she went on missions with them. Also after she died, her body followed the classic pattern for the Norse Warrior, it wasn't Gard maybe, but one of her sisters picked up the body and took it to Valhalla, so Murphy could party and spar with the rest of the Einherjaren until needed by Odin in the final battle.
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So, how does someone become a Valkyrie?
In universe? I'd guess they accept Vadderung's job offer prior to physical death. Ms. Gard delivered such an offer to Murphy and referred to the "health plan" - ie Valkyrie healing factor - as a perk.
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In universe? I'd guess they accept Vadderung's job offer prior to physical death. Ms. Gard delivered such an offer to Murphy and referred to the "health plan" - ie Valkyrie healing factor - as a perk.
Since she is dead, why would she need a health plan?
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Since she is dead, why would she need a health plan?
Of course she does. Do you want to have any idea how much visiting the dentist when you're died would cost. Kkk
Uriel is no saint people....
He is an angel and a spy seems shady to me....
Having said that. Murphy was raised catholic, but is clearly not devout. Especially with what she has seen. The deal Mr sunshine probably offered was carefully worded to imply she would rest , wait for judgment, while stuff happened or she could go on fighting the good fight and wait for judgment. But Mr Sunshine was involved in this . One eye did not act alone on this
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Of course she does. Do you want to have any idea how much visiting the dentist when you're died would cost. Kkk
Uriel is no saint people....
He is an angel and a spy seems shady to me....
Having said that. Murphy was raised catholic, but is clearly not devout. Especially with what she has seen. The deal Mr sunshine probably offered was carefully worded to imply she would rest , wait for judgment, while stuff happened or she could go on fighting the good fight and wait for judgment. But Mr Sunshine was involved in this . One eye did not act alone on this
No, I think Odin did, or he took advantage of the crisis of faith, if you want to call it that, that Murphy went through when she thought that Harry was dead. Consider the games she played with the Swords after she thought Harry was dead. While she talked a good line to him about him not being a suitable Custodian of them after he returned, her own attitude was merely lip service. As Michael pointed out, Murphy was never made Custodian of the Swords though she acted like she was to Harry. Her attitude not just about being a Holy Knight again but towards the Swords was that they were mere tools. If she still had her faith like Michael had, or even Sanya though he claims to be an atheist, she would have understood their role and a Holy Knight's role in the possible redemption of a Denarian. She rejected all of that, which led to the breaking of a Holy Sword. It is what it is, she died a brave warrior woman, one selected by and retrieved by one of Gard's sisters and brought to Valhalla. No, I doubt that Uriel had anything to do with that, she may have had a choice, to work for Uriel and help her father and gain her own redemption. Or go to Vallhalla fight for Odin and gain her own form of freedom. I am thinking it is just another twist, the better to rule in hell verses being a servant in Heaven kind of thing.. Only she didn't deserve Hell, so consider Valhalla a form of Purgatpory for her.
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I've wondered how we might ever see Murphy again. A few things I've thought of
- Harry will pull a move from Skin Game. There he hired Goodman Grey before Nichodemas could when they went to plunder Hades vault. When he goes back in time in some upcoming book (breaking one of the laws) he somehow runs into Goodman and hires him before the other version of him. (When hehires him to watch Justine in Peace Talks -or- Battle ground). Goodman then doubles Murphy like he did with the Accountant in Skin Game and it's really him who was shot in the neck and he has her hidden until he returns from the past to not cause a paradox....etc Since he's a Negloshi (sp?), the shot to the neck won't kill him..
- Something ghost related. After Ghost story I think it was maybe Odin or someone says how he "has crossed the boundary of life and death, opening himself up to options/things that will take notice of him..." Or something similar to that. So maybe in 12 months while in his new castle he has learned things related to that which allows him to talk to her. He did make the comment in Battle Ground about maybe it was time for him to start learning some new things after River Shoulders (Bigfoot) offers to teach him..
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Harry will pull a move from Skin Game. There he hired Goodman Grey before Nichodemas could when they went to plunder Hades vault. When he goes back in time in some upcoming book (breaking one of the laws) he somehow runs into Goodman and hires him before the other version of him. (When hehires him to watch Justine in Peace Talks -or- Battle ground). Goodman then doubles Murphy like he did with the Accountant in Skin Game and it's really him who was shot in the neck and he has her hidden until he returns from the past to not cause a paradox....etc Since he's a Negloshi (sp?), the shot to the neck won't kill him..
Except do you really think a Valkyrie would be fooled by this? A body was carried away and Odin's mark was left behind. Harry also would have been on it, he didn't appear to be. I also doubt that Murphy would have gone along with it.
Something ghost related. After Ghost story I think it was maybe Odin or someone says how he "has crossed the boundary of life and death, opening himself up to options/things that will take notice of him..." Or something similar to that. So maybe in 12 months while in his new castle he has learned things related to that which allows him to talk to her. He did make the comment in Battle Ground about maybe it was time for him to start learning some new things after River Shoulders (Bigfoot) offers to teach him..
So Murphy becomes the new Lash? Don't think this would be very satisfying for Harry.