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Title: All those other Coins...
Post by: groinkick on June 28, 2021, 06:55:55 AM
There are 30 Coins but we've only seen a few of them, and they all seem to grant their host unique abilities.  Marcone had a Coin and nobody knew, not even Mab.  So it has me wondering if any on the Senior Council have a Coin.  Jim said that all of them have a secret ability that they haven't let anyone else know about.  A Coin would be a pretty good secret weapon to use.  If Marcone could keep it secret I imagine a wizard with hundreds of years of knowledge, and experience could to.

Of the Senior Council members, who do you think would be most likely to have a Coin?

What unique ability would you like to see a Coin give it's user?
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: Mira on June 28, 2021, 10:12:04 AM


  I doubt that most of the Senior Members could be tempted, they already pretty much have the power they want.
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: Snark Knight on June 28, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
They'd have to have come by them fairly recently, since as of SmF all 30 were accounted for as either in custody, active, or in the bag Tessa and Rosanna grabbed.
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: groinkick on June 28, 2021, 07:08:29 PM
They'd have to have come by them fairly recently, since as of SmF all 30 were accounted for as either in custody, active, or in the bag Tessa and Rosanna grabbed.

Possibly...  Remember as wizards they can keep a connection to the Coin the way Harry did with Lash.  They could summon the Coin the same way Harry could have if he chose. 
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: Arjan on June 28, 2021, 07:21:49 PM
Possibly...  Remember as wizards they can keep a connection to the Coin the way Harry did with Lash.  They could summon the Coin the same way Harry could have if he chose.
I don’t think that works if the coin has another host.
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: Snark Knight on June 29, 2021, 01:05:56 AM
Possibly...  Remember as wizards they can keep a connection to the Coin the way Harry did with Lash.  They could summon the Coin the same way Harry could have if he chose.

Isn't the whole point of the Church's blessed handkerchiefs and warded lockboxes to prevent the other side from teleporting them back into circulation?

Though the Church has been leaking them out of safekeeping faster than they should. I suppose it's possible one of the ones the Knights and Forthill think is on ice actually got into a wizard's hands. Perhaps the window might extend back a bit before SmF.
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: groinkick on July 04, 2021, 06:42:25 PM
I don’t think that works if the coin has another host.

I was referring to the ones without a host.  Also it may have to do with the Fallen itself.  Harry's connection was severed because the Shadow was destroyed.  Who knows if the shadow still would have been there if another took up the Coin.  Harry could possibly have summoned it, and if the Fallen chose to be summoned, would have.  Kind of like trading up.
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: Arjan on July 04, 2021, 07:13:22 PM
I was referring to the ones without a host.  Also it may have to do with the Fallen itself.  Harry's connection was severed because the Shadow was destroyed.  Who knows if the shadow still would have been there if another took up the Coin.  Harry could possibly have summoned it, and if the Fallen chose to be summoned, would have.  Kind of like trading up.
When Harry negotiated with Mab in changes he claimed he could still go for it.
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: groinkick on July 04, 2021, 07:28:12 PM
When Harry negotiated with Mab in changes he claimed he could still go for it.

Wasn't the Coin in his basement at the time though?  I don't recall.  Is that what he meant?
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: Arjan on July 04, 2021, 07:37:54 PM
Wasn't the Coin in his basement at the time though?  I don't recall.  Is that what he meant?
He gave it to the church after white night.
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: Mira on July 04, 2021, 08:38:48 PM
He gave it to the church after white night.

Yup, at the end of White Night, the clincher was when he tried to play the guitar and though supposedly she was dead, he heard Lash whisper in his head.  He then called Father Forthill to come over, dug up the coin and gave it to him.
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: BrainFireBob on July 07, 2021, 02:07:33 PM
There are 30 Coins but we've only seen a few of them, and they all seem to grant their host unique abilities.  Marcone had a Coin and nobody knew, not even Mab.  So it has me wondering if any on the Senior Council have a Coin.  Jim said that all of them have a secret ability that they haven't let anyone else know about.  A Coin would be a pretty good secret weapon to use.  If Marcone could keep it secret I imagine a wizard with hundreds of years of knowledge, and experience could to.

Of the Senior Council members, who do you think would be most likely to have a Coin?

What unique ability would you like to see a Coin give it's user?

Jim said they each have a powerup; that's different.

We know LtW's shapeshifting isn't just skill related
Rashid has his eye
Ebenezer has the Blackstaff
One, IIRC, is a saint/has access to faith magic. Martha Liberty is very tight with the loa; between that and her name, Santeria priestess is quite possible.

That leaves Christos, Merlin, and Ancient Mai.

Ancient Mai can identify a Foo Dog on sight; I would be surprised if she could conceal such. Plus she's ancient- she's aged, and the coins work against that.

Merlin and Christos are your two real possibilities.
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: Avernite on July 11, 2021, 05:15:44 PM
Merlin would make a nice mirror for Harry, I guess.

Presumably if he has it, he didn't use it much. That mirror is already taken by Marcone. No, if it's the Merlin, he got the coin safely, he stashed it in a box without being Shadowed, and he keeps it around for when he needs power more than reason. And when disaster strikes, he will pick up the coin and find out it's one of the thugcoins, and be none the stronger for it (though a bit less killable).
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: Yuillegan on July 12, 2021, 03:45:25 AM
Merlin, or Christos. But I doubt Christos at this stage as we haven't seen many hints for it. I am not sure the Merlin needs such a thing tbh.

If the Merlin did have one though I would expect it to be one that is unexpected. More like Anduriel. Not a battle form as such. Maybe a light around him plus the demonic eyes and sigil. Something that helps bring out the worst in him. Something that brings order and zealotry. Maybe it would help him control others like Saruman. Or perhaps it would conceal him and his activities. Illusion and wonder.

Christos would be totally different. I can see it being a Mr Hyde type of situation. He might turn into a giant rage monster that shakes the earth.

Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: Snark Knight on July 12, 2021, 09:37:58 PM
Merlin, or Christos. But I doubt Christos at this stage as we haven't seen many hints for it. I am not sure the Merlin needs such a thing tbh.

If you're not going to draw upon enhanced durability when you're batted around and set on fire, what are you holding it for?
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: Yuillegan on July 13, 2021, 12:29:05 AM
If you're not going to draw upon enhanced durability when you're batted around and set on fire, what are you holding it for?
Agreed. It isn't like Christos hasn't had opportunity. And surely other wizards would recognise signs of demonic influence. The brimstone smell alone...let alone subtler things.

I just can't see it being any of the Senior Council to be honest. I did hypothesise based on the OP question though. Maybe Ancient Mai just for the reveal factor...but why would she bother? Also it wouldn't add up with any of them having a Coin considering earlier things in the series. The Gatekeeper seems to trust them all and points out that while the Council is harsh it can be necessary at times.
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: BrainFireBob on July 13, 2021, 03:11:43 PM
Impressing people at parties. Cristos is totally that guy.
Title: Re: All those other Coins...
Post by: KurtinStGeorge on July 17, 2021, 02:03:24 AM
Jim said they each have a powerup; that's different.

We know LtW's shapeshifting isn't just skill related
Rashid has his eye
Ebenezer has the Blackstaff
One, IIRC, is a saint/has access to faith magic. Martha Liberty is very tight with the loa; between that and her name, Santeria priestess is quite possible.

That leaves Christos, Merlin, and Ancient Mai.

Ancient Mai can identify a Foo Dog on sight; I would be surprised if she could conceal such. Plus she's ancient- she's aged, and the coins work against that.

Merlin and Christos are your two real possibilities.

I believe Jim has said that Ancient Mai is some kind of expert with magical constructs.  Also, if she had a coin; which I seriously doubt, I would bet it could keep her internally young and give her the ability to project an older version of herself to maintain her image and change to a much younger appearance whenever she wished.  The later wouldn't happen very often.