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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: groinkick on March 11, 2021, 07:10:25 AM
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So there is a difference in opinion about Harry, and his magical talent, and how it's evolved (or lagged) as the series has progressed. So instead of going on about his skill, or lack there of I wanted to talk about what magic you would like to see him using, or improving on.
I think at BG it really sounded like he was going to be making a new, and better shield bracelet. So maybe something there could be interesting. Like instead of just protecting him, why not be able to redirect what's coming at him?
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So there is a difference in opinion about Harry, and his magical talent, and how it's evolved (or lagged) as the series has progressed. So instead of going on about his skill, or lack there of I wanted to talk about what magic you would like to see him using, or improving on.
I think at BG it really sounded like he was going to be making a new, and better shield bracelet. So maybe something there could be interesting. Like instead of just protecting him, why not be able to redirect what's coming at him?
I think we will see Harry working on being able to teleport. When he sees Marcone/Namshiel do it he mentions that he saw books about it in the library at Edinburgh, but when he inquired they wre forbidden to him. He also says it is a skill that can take years and years to master if ever. I think Jim is setting the ground work for Harry to perhaps master that very skill but it may take a couple of books.
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I have the impression, he will go for shape shifting first. He already had a guess, how to increase mass, while riding on horse Grey in Skin Game, he admired LTW's shapehifting in Turn Coat while he was fighting the Naagloshi.
There was the conjuritis in PT/BG, and I can totally imagine him developing something like that on purpose, knowing now how it feels to conjure involuntary.
And of course improved items like the shield bracelet.
And I hope, he will improve his fire/ice/force magic without items like the blasting rod or his staff. I liked how Mab made him do magic without focus. IMHO he should work on that, too.
The teleporting stuff... Yes, that would be cool, but I think there is a shortage of teachers and accessable information. Now how should he get the books in the council's library now as an outcast, when he was denied access even as a member. Somehow I think Marcone wouldn't be helpful with that either.
So the teleporting would have to wait until he has mastered the shape shifting.
I definitely want so see shape shifting. River Shoulders already said he would teach him more.
Edit: and oh, I forgot:
Potions! I want potions.
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The teleporting stuff... Yes, that would be cool, but I think there is a shortage of teachers and accessable information. Now how should he get the books in the council's library now as an outcast, when he was denied access even as a member. Somehow I think Marcone wouldn't be helpful with that either.
So the teleporting would have to wait until he has mastered the shape shifting.
I agree about the shape shifting stuff.. But don't dismiss the ability to teleport. The fact that earlier in his career Harry wanted access to the books shows an interest. All is not lost just because he
is forbidden, it appears he has access to Bob once again, as well as Bonea if she matures enough to get her information straight, I believe between the two of them it would be enough. I think a lot depends on what Harry finds out about the true meaning of "stars and stones," and his role in the coming BAT as a star born, this influence what new skills he thinks he will need and what ones he needs to improve upon.
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I agree that upgraded gear and shapeshifting will come in the coming book or books, but I also want to see some more support type magic. Harry hates seeing his friends hurt, so some healing magic would make a lot of sense. Building his network of informants (through magical means or otherwise) would be another great skill. Unlocking the Castle's magical workings would be great as well. As far as elemental/battle magic is concerned, I want to see Harry get more refined. He constantly says he is a powerhouse but lacks the fine control that comes with age and experience. I think it's time Harry moves past the over-the-top explosions and moves onto slightly more controlled explosions. This would show Harry's abilities increasing but would also make sense become he is becoming more responsible, and he has more responsibilities (with Deamonreach, Wizard of Chicago, and as a father).
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Another thing to consider. Harry for the first time has become aware that something is coming.... The Stars and Stones. He might not know what exactly it is, but he knows that it's coming. So he will hopefully begin preparing for it. He will be creating his magical tools, practicing his magic, and coming up with new ways of using his magic. He saw Drakul, and Marcone using teleportation, and even if he cannot do it himself he could come up with ways of defeating it. Harry has a real goal now.... Be ready, because the clock is ticking.
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Another thing to consider. Harry for the first time has become aware that something is coming.... The Stars and Stones. He might not know what exactly it is, but he knows that it's coming. So he will hopefully begin preparing for it. He will be creating his magical tools, practicing his magic, and coming up with new ways of using his magic. He saw Drakul, and Marcone using teleportation, and even if he cannot do it himself he could come up with ways of defeating it. Harry has a real goal now.... Be ready, because the clock is ticking.
Like he quietly took the Spear and the Placard to the party for the battle for Chicago. He didn't advertise, he just kept it quietly under his coat.
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I think we will see Harry working on being able to teleport. When he sees Marcone/Namshiel do it he mentions that he saw books about it in the library at Edinburgh, but when he inquired they wre forbidden to him. He also says it is a skill that can take years and years to master if ever. I think Jim is setting the ground work for Harry to perhaps master that very skill but it may take a couple of books.
Teleporting is probably on the agenda since he'll need it or a counter to survive a rematch with HWWB but I expect it'll be real lategame stuff.
Personally I want shapeshifting into a lizard for the brick joke and horse to continue that trend (and give a new way to hurt Harry).
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When fighting, he tends to favour direct manipulation of Energy (Specifically, Force and Heat). There's a lot that he can do with just those two- for example, we've seen him pull off Luccio's Laser beams exactly once before, he should work on that.
Another good idea would be to try and refine his force Magic- try and see if he can pull off more then just bursts of kinetic energy. If that two-bit Sorcerer in Ghost Story can give himself Super-Speed, the Winter Knight and the Wizard of Chicago ought to have the chops for it (this especially would be a good idea, since Harry seems to insist on charging in with his stick like a caveman a lot more these days).
Another neat trick could be for him to learn to start using his enemies force and heat. In Changes he was able to turn Rampires into Popsicle's and then use the stolen heat to immolate the next once during the attack on Chicken Pizza. That feels like something to expand upon- we know for example that he can make items capable of holding energy like his Force Rings, or storing Stamina like his Belt Buckle. Try doing something with that Harry- Your enemies want to shoot at you? Who cares, you've got a spell/item that lets you steal the Force from their bullets and use it to charge up your next Forzare!
That said, that kind of stuff would mean that Harry was trying to fight smarter, not harder, instead of the reverse, so I don't see it happening.
Most likely at best he'll have a proper shield bracelet and blasting rod by the next book.
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Earth magic is another, he has used it a time or two and it is very powerful. I believe Eb uses it quite often as well.
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Shapeshifting, water magic, earth magic.
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Earth magic is another, he has used it a time or two and it is very powerful. I believe Eb uses it quite often as well.
In fact, he shows a substantial talent for it (possibly greater than his talent with fire).
His intense-gravity spells, and "vulcanomancy" in the Raith Deeps were both major workings, and impressed the hell out of Warden Ramirez (who was actively fighting in the Ramp-war more than Harry -- Harry needs to find out how things are going from Ramirez), and the entire millenia-old Red Court, LoONs and all. And so far as we can tell, he did them from basic theory and an intuitive "feel" for the Art.
Given that Eb is his grandfather, maybe it's a talent that runs in the family...
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Mostly I like Harry's Shield Progression the most. Purely Kinetic from Baseballs as a 12 year old to fending of half a dozen Black Court Elders.
The Soulfire and Will combination is good as well. I just reread BG and he combines both those with Winter as well.
His offense is progressively more powerful but that's more about his power growth than any distinct skill he works on.
Binding Ethniu was great and all but felt like a standard fight against WILL at this point, has done since Changes.
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Harry going full Winter Knight / Starborn
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Oh right I forgot to add this.
I really really want Harry to come up with a strategy for huge enemies, beyond trying to trip them, or relying on the fact they can't bank or turn and leading them into a trap.
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Oh right I forgot to add this.
I really really want Harry to come up with a strategy for huge enemies, beyond trying to trip them, or relying on the fact they can't bank or turn and leading them into a trap.
I was thinking of something like his kinetic rings but instead he has one stored up with another energy source.
I'm also wondering if using Hellfire would be bad for him? I think if he could wield both Soulfire, and Hellfire it would be pretty cool, and a big baddie getting hit with a hellfire spell would catch them off guard since he's not using a Coin.
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How can Harry use Hellfire? I thought that was a trait only those in possession of a Coin could use?
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How can Harry use Hellfire? I thought that was a trait only those in possession of a Coin could use?
I mean, According to WoJ, the difference between having Soulfire and Hellfire is "The kind of angel you are"
So, if the Soulfire Harry has is more because Uriel just sorta 'showed him the way' then a straight-up gift, Harry going all Black-Hat like the Fallen could maybe give him Hellfire.
On the other hand, if it being Soulfire flavoured instead of Hellfire flavoured is because of the Angel giving it, making Uriel Fall should cause Harry to get Hellfire instead.
Third Option would obviously be Harry patching things up with his disgruntled ex Lasciel
In either Case, I'm not sure I see much Benefit, since Soulfire can do the same thing as Hellfire, just with more then purely destructive spells
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how about a way to store soulfire and then experiment with for a more variety of spells rather than more powerful. that way at the end he's just exhausting himself until whatever he uses to contain it grows empty. gives him more punch with the tools he already has. also, if you can convert your own soul into soulfire, can you convert someone else's?
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I want Harry to be able to talk with Mouse. The chapter in Changes where Harry and friends can understand Mouse is great and I want more.
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I want Harry to be able to talk with Mouse. The chapter in Changes where Harry and friends can understand Mouse is great and I want more.
Agreed, that would be fun, I want to see Harry delve deeper into what Soul Fire is. We caught a hint when he broke Mother Winter's bonds in Cold Days that there is more to it than what Bob told him. I think it can enhance his abilities big time, I believe it was the game changer on Demonreach and why he is Warden now. I also think it will help him with the Artifacts..
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Three things that I would love to see Harry work on:
1. Shapeshifting/getting lessons from River Shoulders
2. Becoming extremely familiar with his new magical smart castle. I'd love to see harry smack surprise someone from the White Council trying to poke their nose in his business. :)
3. Now that Bob and Harry have both the Island, the Castle and the prison to study, it'd be awesome to see Harry develop some kind of surprise trap to transport baddies *to* the Island rather than just trick them into showing up on the lake. It has to have been done before, right? I mean, how did all those bad guys get tricked to the Island? After the first few hundred, word would get out, wouldn't it?
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Personally I'd like to see Harry get to point where he can use the fiery beam o' death outside of the Nevernever, it's been years since it was teased.
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Fire, Air, Force -- Harry's already good at these
Earth, Water -- needs some work.
I think Shapeshifting is next on the menu. He already has some experience with shape shifting, way back in Full Moon (via the wolf-belt). He's seen LTW get some good use out of it, he has some experience with Gray and how he changes mass, etc.
Now that River Shoulders is willing to teach him, I think it's only a matter of time.
I'm hoping that Dresden shape-shifts into ... a Wendigo. Very wintery.