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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: K.L.O.E. on February 02, 2021, 11:00:11 PM
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I was reflecting on the whole prophecy of King Corb not dying until "the sun lights the bottom of the ocean" and I realized there are several ways that he could bite the bullet:
- Someone pulls a Morgan and drops a Hydrogen Bomb on him.
- Harry masters gravity magic and combines it with his heat rearranging skills to start nuclear fusion at the bottom of the ocean
- A Sun God kills him personally (Apollo, Ra, Ekhi, Lugh, someone up that alley)
- Harry learns how to shapeshift becomes a Giant Mantis Shrimp and punches him in the face. Killing him with Sonoluminescence (this is the least likely but also the funniest to me)
So what do you think? In an era where Mortals can make a backpack lightsaber that gets to 73% of the heat of the sun something tells me this is a situation like the Judge from Buffy. Your invulnerability was impressive but we've moved past that.
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In a world where Harry can put the sun in a hankie and his use of fire is intimately tied to summer, anything is possible as far as the sun's light reaching the bottom of the ocean.
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I totally took it as a reference to mortal kind sub launching a nuclear torpedo on him at some point.
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I totally took it as a reference to mortal kind sub launching a nuclear torpedo on him at some point.
Probably? But given that he just let the mother of a Sun God get taken by Demonreach I felt like Jim may be more creative than that especially given that Morgan did it to a Naagloshi. Plus it would be funny for a "Deep Sea King" to be taken out in One Punch.
In a world where Harry can put the sun in a hankie and his use of fire is intimately tied to summer, anything is possible as far as the sun's light reaching the bottom of the ocean.
So your take is Summer Fire counts as sunlight? Maybe Luccio or Hannah Ascher could get make plasma at 5778K but have we seen anyone else get that hot?
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I was reflecting on the whole prophecy of King Corb not dying until "the sun lights the bottom of the ocean" and I realized there are several ways that he could bite the bullet:
- Someone pulls a Morgan and drops a Hydrogen Bomb on him.
- Harry masters gravity magic and combines it with his heat rearranging skills to start nuclear fusion at the bottom of the ocean
- A Sun God kills him personally (Apollo, Ra, Ekhi, Lugh, someone up that alley)
- Harry learns how to shapeshift becomes a Giant Mantis Shrimp and punches him in the face. Killing him with Sonoluminescence (this is the least likely but also the funniest to me)
So what do you think? In an era where Mortals can make a backpack lightsaber that gets to 73% of the heat of the sun something tells me this is a situation like the Judge from Buffy. Your invulnerability was impressive but we've moved past that.
I've decided to go with the WAG that not only will the Fomor get nuked but it will happen because Listen chooses to bail on the Fomor and arrange for a nuclear strike.
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So your take is Summer Fire counts as sunlight? Maybe Luccio or Hannah Ascher could get make plasma at 5778K but have we seen anyone else get that hot?
invariably so. Your making a thematic mistake though, it's light of the sun, not light equal to the surface of the sun. It doesn't have to be Sunfire per se. That warm sunny day without clouds.. that sunshine in the cooling rain, can also be sunlight.
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Harry goes down there and kills him.
From SmF
Molly: Did my face look like that when you did that little-ball-of-fire thing to me?
Harry: I prefer to think of it as a little ball of sunshine.
I rest my case. 8)
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invariably so. Your making a thematic mistake though, it's light of the sun, not light equal to the surface of the sun. It doesn't have to be Sunfire per se. That warm sunny day without clouds.. that sunshine in the cooling rain, can also be sunlight.
This isn't thematic. It's Mechanical. There are two ways we know of to destroy magical protections:
A) Unravel it using some form of transition that pulls away the magical energy. For example: running water or daylight. If it's the daylight that undoes his protection (which could be part of why Corb was team killing to get to Lake Michigan) than it's the mechanics, not the themes.
B) Overwhelm the protections with a type of energy they can't handle or more energy than they can handle. Fire has been used to great effect both for and against our protagonists, just think about Murphy and the Jotun or the Renfelds with flamethrowers.
Also, if we are talking about themes then what of the theme that "sometimes you are the bad things that happen to bad people" given that Corb is certainly some form of immoral monster you've got to assume that Jim has a more Karmic Death than just a little light.
I'd crack up at that exchange.
Harry goes down there and kills him.
From SmF
Molly: Did my face look like that when you did that little-ball-of-fire thing to me?
Harry: I prefer to think of it as a little ball of sunshine.
I rest my case. 8)
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Summon King korb on Halloween. Y'all can figure out the summoning I don't care how you want to word it. Bring your dream team don't overdo it. Molly Kincaid Goodman Grey River shoulders hell throw in Marcone. Now take Mab at her word that Kirby will live for a long time so this bind his ass and send him to the island.
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@kloe,
A, it's not a magical protection, it's a prophecy..
B, see A. Also fire magic under literally metric tons of water, probably not too effective.
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Adding in my idea:
So it is said that he wont die until the sun touches the bottom of the ocean, which to me reads: when our sun dies and in its last stages of yellow sun, it expands into a red sun, thus enveloping all the way out to mars' orbit (or 'roundabouts). Making that about a couple billion years from now.
My solution?
Throw King Corb into a pocket dimension of the Nevernever and lock him away there until such time passes and he's released right as the sun expands. To him it's like no time has passed, yet billions of years go by on the mortal plane. This has been discussed in the DF about the fae doing this to mortals, but only in chunks of a few years to several dozen.
Removes the asshat King Corb from everyones lives, and follows the prophecy.
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So pretty much it could be word play or something that's mess with the property like Nicodemus did. Maybe King Korb himself altered the prophecy to make people think twice about attacking him....
Or it could mean that he won't die till somebody attacks and kills him when the sun sets on the ocean and maybe he has to be in view of it..
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it's not a magical protection, it's a prophecy..
I know I was making a bit of a joke with my overly simple argument, but I do think it has some merit based on what The_Sibelis is pointing to here. There's a lot of prophecy and prophecy related tropes out there. One I've seen over and over is when prophecies are "entirely in metaphor, riddles, vagueries, and oblique poetry," as TV Tropes puts it. There's also the trope we've seen Harry adopt, Immune to Fate. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImmuneToFate
If it comes up, I can see it going a number of ways. Harry objects to the concept of binding prophecies, so he kills Corb anyway. Harry kills Corb in some fashion that meets the requirements of the prophecy in an "unexpected" way. Harry imprisons Corb in Demonreach where he shall remain until the Sun engulfs the Earth, killing Corb as a result.
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Ohhhh f@#$... You know what has the light of the sun? A nuclear fricken submarine that's what..hadn't even considered the reality behind that until reading your response.
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The White God brings Moses in for the deed. Problem solved.
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Korb thinks the prophecy protects him, but what if it is his punishment?
What if he ends up trapped at the bottom of the sea in the Marianas Trench in the cold and dark in perpetual torment and pain, no hope of rescue until the Sun goes red gas giant and boils off the oceans in their entirety, finally ending him.
Sounds like a VERY Mab to me.
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Korb thinks the prophecy protects him, but what if it is his punishment?
What if he ends up trapped at the bottom of the sea in the Marianas Trench in the cold and dark in perpetual torment and pain, no hope of rescue until the Sun goes red gas giant and boils off the oceans in their entirety, finally ending him.
Sounds like a VERY Mab to me.
Oh that is a good take. Karmic to the max. Possibly one of the worst ways to suffer eternity and Mab would enjoy it.
Ohhhh f@#$... You know what has the light of the sun? A nuclear fricken submarine that's what..hadn't even considered the reality behind that until reading your response.
Right? What was impossible in the past sort of becomes moot once we master Nuclear Fusion. It will still be something we haven't thought of.
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Jim likes playing with prophecy, you think it means one thing, and actually it’s something totally different. Free will is a big thing in the Dresdenverse, and prophecy badly circumscribes free will, unless it’s cryptic nature actually aids free will by providing for a drastically different yet still accurate result.
Basically anyone seeking to rely upon prophecy in the Dresdenverse is screwed, it does not mean what you think it means, especially concerning Harry.
Corb thinks death is the worst that can happen, he really needs to meet the ghost of Lloyd Slate. Death can be a blessed relief around Mab.
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Jim likes playing with prophecy, you think it means one thing, and actually it’s something totally different. Free will is a big thing in the Dresdenverse, and prophecy badly circumscribes free will, unless it’s cryptic nature actually aids free will by providing for a drastically different yet still accurate result.
Basically anyone seeking to rely upon prophecy in the Dresdenverse is screwed, it does not mean what you think it means, especially concerning Harry.
Corb thinks death is the worst that can happen, he really needs to meet the ghost of Lloyd Slate. Death can be a blessed relief around Mab.
Yeah the darkest part of the sea seeing the sun could mean Korb being locked up on Demonreach for most of eternity.
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/dd454/Paulette72/(edited)_KingCorb.jpg?width=450&height=278&fit=bounds&crop=fill)
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/dd454/Paulette72/(edited)_KingCorb.jpg?width=450&height=278&fit=bounds&crop=fill)
LoL
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/dd454/Paulette72/(edited)_KingCorb.jpg?width=450&height=278&fit=bounds&crop=fill)
This is perfection.
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This is perfection.
LoL
:P :P :P
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Basically anyone seeking to rely upon prophecy in the Dresdenverse [around Harry] is screwed.
FIFY.
@Dina: ;D