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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Griffyn612 on October 06, 2020, 07:34:39 PM
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It probably doesn't matter, but did Harry ever use Murphy's gun? He made a point to grab her Sig and the extra magazines, but then I don't recall him ever using it. Even at the end when Marcone asks if he has a gun, Harry doesn't say he does (or doesn't). Did he use it or lose it somewhere along the way?
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I don't think it's ever mentioned again. He even named it. Talk about Chekov's gun not going off.
Given his state, I wouldn't be surprised if he forgot he had it. I know I did. Maybe that's why Marcone didn't go for the spear and eye. Harry told Marcone he didn't have a gun, but Marcone knew he did. Marcone thought Harry was baiting him. We've seen Denarians taken out with a single bullet before, so we know it was a threat.
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I'm also not sure where the coach gun went. He had it still in chapter 16, and didn't mention it again. It was in its holster, and then poof.
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I don't think it's ever mentioned again. He even named it. Talk about Chekov's gun not going off.
Given his state, I wouldn't be surprised if he forgot he had it. I know I did. Maybe that's why Marcone didn't go for the spear and eye. Harry told Marcone he didn't have a gun, but Marcone knew he did. Marcone thought Harry was baiting him. We've seen Denarians taken out with a single bullet before, so we know it was a threat.
I think Marcone did not go for the Eye because a) Harry had the Spear b) deep down, Marcone don't want to risk a Denarian near the Eye, he thinks Harry is a better keeper.
I wondered about "backup" too, as I was sure he was going to use it against someone trying to catch the Eye. Now, Harry told Murph that he was borrowing it. He planned to give it back to her body, but when he was back to see her, she had been taken by Odin. So, I guess he still have it. Perhaps he will use it in future books. Of course, foreshadowing would be that he would use it against Rudolph, this time in self defense.
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I think Marcone did not go for the Eye because a) Harry had the Spear.
Harry didn't have the spear at that point. It was as far from him as the eye.
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Same difference, if Marcone went for the Eye he would expose himself to Harry grabbing the Spear.
I also have a suspicion that perhaps the Spear can actually kill a Fallen.
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Same difference, if Marcone went for the Eye he would expose himself to Harry grabbing the Spear.
I also have a suspicion that perhaps the Spear can actually kill a Fallen.
from how it's described I think it can kill anything if it has the chance. It creates its own reality around it defining it as a spear. It's a spear to anything, anything at all. It's not a huge powerful weapon, (which was slightly disappointing) but a weapon that cannot be ignored by anything for what it is. It makes sense at least. Though I would have preferred something more flashy.
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Same difference, if Marcone went for the Eye he would expose himself to Harry grabbing the Spear.
I read it as they were next to each other or close. I'm going to have to read it again, at least once, before I can just remember that level of detail.
from how it's described I think it can kill anything if it has the chance. It creates its own reality around it defining it as a spear. It's a spear to anything, anything at all. It's not a huge powerful weapon, (which was slightly disappointing) but a weapon that cannot be ignored by anything for what it is. It makes sense at least. Though I would have preferred something more flashy.
Yes.
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So, even when Marcone has been his composed self, the Fallen must have been terrified and trying to force him to just leave Harry alone. Because if Harry could gather an ounce of his power to throw the Spear to him he would not even need to walk to it. The risk was too high.
Which again, reminds me that the Spear is not mentioned at the end, we don't know what happened to it. Perhaps Justine took it. Perhaps a Denarian. Perhaps Harry took it for a secret purpose and does not tell the readers.
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It's mentioned, harry takes it apart and puts the dagger back in it's sheath.
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Yes, and then...? He gave the pokeball back at Alfred but he never mentioned to do the same with the Spear.
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Yes, and then...? He gave the pokeball back at Alfred but he never mentioned to do the same with the Spear.
this... Reminds me of his pentacle in CDs. If anything important happened to it I'm sure it would have been mentioned, Jim likely just didn't think to specify beyond harry took it back apart.
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My honest feel, is this was Dresden getting a new "primary carry" so that Murph is always with him on the battlefield in a very round about way... but that it needed to be said when it was so that he *still* had it it when Murph's body was taken/gone. It's still a Chekhov's Gun moment, but it's pay off wasn't for this book. I imagine there will be some pay off with Mirror Murphy in Mirror, Mirror and perhaps with real Murph somewhen down the line.
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Forget Murphy’s gun, where was Sasha hiding a Kalashnikov?
Backup is important, he had something personal of Murphy’s when her body disappeared. Thats the significance of it.
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My honest feel, is this was Dresden getting a new "primary carry" so that Murph is always with him on the battlefield in a very round about way... but that it needed to be said when it was so that he *still* had it it when Murph's body was taken/gone. It's still a Chekhov's Gun moment, but it's pay off wasn't for this book. I imagine there will be some pay off with Mirror Murphy in Mirror, Mirror and perhaps with real Murph somewhen down the line.
Forget Murphy’s gun, where was Sasha hiding a Kalashnikov?
Backup is important, he had something personal of Murphy’s when her body disappeared. Thats the significance of it.
I agree with both of you, it will be significant later, but stil I feel disappointed is not mentioned again in the aftermath of BG. Even to say that Harry throw a mournful glaze at it or something. It's not a major problem anyway, just something I would have liked to see in print.
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My honest feel, is this was Dresden getting a new "primary carry" so that Murph is always with him on the battlefield in a very round about way... but that it needed to be said when it was so that he *still* had it it when Murph's body was taken/gone. It's still a Chekhov's Gun moment, but it's pay off wasn't for this book. I imagine there will be some pay off with Mirror Murphy in Mirror, Mirror and perhaps with real Murph somewhen down the line.
Heck, that's a point isn't it? Murphy is, after all, someone that names her guns. No way that she wouldn't recognise Backup. Good way to convince her that he's from another earth.
Especially since iirc Mirror Mirror should be what, 1-2 Books away?
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Here's an idea. Do you remember that Lara has a burn for a wedding ring, right? I can see that for some reason she takes the gun and gets burned by it.
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Same difference, if Marcone went for the Eye he would expose himself to Harry grabbing the Spear.
I also have a suspicion that perhaps the Spear can actually kill a Fallen.
Yeah, actually I watched a show the other night about the Knights Templar, anyway one of the very relics they were looking for in the Holy Land was the Spear of Destiny, the main thing about is, the holder of it can defeat any and all enemies, I'm not sure but I think the expert said it makes the holder pretty invincible. So bottom line, if any or all of that is true, that explains why Marcone/Namshiel was so obliging as far as the Eye was concerned. Because he knows exactly what the implications are of being the holder of that Spear, and he didn't desire to get his ass kicked. He will wait and try other more round about methods to try and get it from Harry.
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Forget Murphy’s gun, where was Sasha hiding a Kalashnikov?
He said he found it. But my question is why would he need to find one? He's usually brought his own. He had every other time we've seen him.
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I like the idea that every time we've seen him he just randomly found one off-screen. He doesn't keep one of his own with him, because he'll trip over one in a random back alley if it's required.
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At least once he ended up in Chicago on a layover. (SmF). It can be difficult to travel with a firearm on planes. Especially internationally.
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I kind of get the idea it’s an aspect of his role as a Knight, smoothing the way for him. It’s clear Butters was navigating via game iconography in BG, and to great effect so does Sanya randomly root around in the first trash can he sees coming out from the airport and finds a fully loaded Kalashnikov? Is that what he did? lift up a log in the park and find a fully loaded Kalashnikov under it?
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I kind of get the idea it’s an aspect of his role as a Knight, smoothing the way for him. It’s clear Butters was navigating via game iconography in BG, and to great effect so does Sanya randomly root around in the first trash can he sees coming out from the airport and finds a fully loaded Kalashnikov? Is that what he did? lift up a log in the park and find a fully loaded Kalashnikov under it?
It is the USA. Guns everywhere. Someone just accidentally dropped one. ;D
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Or maybe Butter's isn't the only Knight to be a video game character:
Sanya: "why do all the monsters I kill have gemstones, gold coins, or weapons inside them?"
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It is the USA. Guns everywhere. Someone just accidentally dropped one. ;D
Lol. They are in the middle of a battle in a city that's had 3,204 shootings this year as of Monday, so maybe.
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He's a Knight who operates on the principle of "When I need something, it happens." Seems pretty simple. Remember how Michael just opened the door and Father Forthill was standing there, about to knock? Why can't Sanya inexplicably discover a crashed gang-banger's car that happens to have an AK in the back?
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He's a Knight who operates on the principle of "When I need something, it happens." Seems pretty simple. Remember how Michael just opened the door and Father Forthill was standing there, about to knock? Why can't Sanya inexplicably discover a crashed gang-banger's car that happens to have an AK in the back?
As the saying goes, "The Lord will provide.." That is the mantra the Holy Knight live by.