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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Linnemir on July 19, 2020, 06:29:15 PM
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While weve been talking about the next wizard to wield the Blackstaff, I had an odd thought. We've assumed that it's Granny Winter's missing walking stick. What if Harry to get possession of of it for whatever reason .... and she reqiured the Winter Knight to return it to her?
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Then Granny Winter is suddenly mobile again. That certainly couldn't go bad for anyone. Whoever would think that?! ;D
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That's a very real possibility, I think. Unless, Harry loses the mantle beforehand.
But, you sparked a thought in my head(that poor, tired, fat hamster...). Black Staff. Two words. The same number of letters. Does anyone think this might be a future book title?
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I do not think the white council would have mother winters walking stick for so long if it was not meant to be that way.
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Then Granny Winter is suddenly mobile again. That certainly couldn't go bad for anyone. Whoever would think that?! ;D
Actually I don't think that would be a bad thing, considering climate change, of course we don't need an ice age.
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I don't think she'd take it back until the Apocalypse.
But I just had a thought. We said in another thread that it'd be cool if the Council voted to keep Harry, which would be big for him. He'd feel wanted and valued and appreciated.
But what if instead, Eb does die, and gives Harry the Blackstaff. Then he finds out that the Council voted him out, but they have to keep him against their own wishes or risk losing the staff.
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If Granny Winter being active again was necessary in the BAT, it neatly solves the dilemma of not having an obvious successor to Eb. Like Grifter said, I don't think it would happen until the BAT, though.
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I don't think she'd take it back until the Apocalypse.
But I just had a thought. We said in another thread that it'd be cool if the Council voted to keep Harry, which would be big for him. He'd feel wanted and valued and appreciated.
But what if instead, Eb does die, and gives Harry the Blackstaff. Then he finds out that the Council voted him out, but they have to keep him against their own wishes or risk losing the staff.
That'd be ackward for the Senior Council because I'm pretty sure the office and actual staff aren't common knowledge among members of the Council. Harry still doesn't know what it is.
That's a very real possibility, I think. Unless, Harry loses the mantle beforehand.
But, you sparked a thought in my head(that poor, tired, fat hamster...). Black Staff. Two words. The same number of letters. Does anyone think this might be a future book title?
I don't think the double meaning of black staff will play too well these days. Speaking of double meaning, what's the double meaning of peace talks. There's the obvious talks that happen. What's the other meaning? The "talks" between Harry and Eb, Harry and Lara, or maybe Molly and her parents (because those were supposed to happen when it was all one book)?
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I think the answer is the word play. Peace Talks was always meant to be the most violent book to date, and I think the double meaning could be that the Talks are in Pieces (shattered by the machinations of the Black Council etc).
The obvious answer is merely that at the Peace Talks nothing of the sort happened, but I like mine better.
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I think the answer is the word play. Peace Talks was always meant to be the most violent book to date, and I think the double meaning could be that the Talks are in Pieces (shattered by the machinations of the Black Council etc).
The obvious answer is merely that at the Peace Talks nothing of the sort happened, but I like mine better.
Agreed, I was hoping for the politics behind the Talks, and why suddenly everyone was out for Harry. I think the book would have been better served if we had more about that and less about the attempt to spring Thomas.. Or at least Harry getting a handle on the why of it. As I said there were a few chapters that were written very well, the one where Marcone sounds more like Harry. I find it odd that the gouls were signers of the Accords, when ever they have shown up in the stories, it has been on the other side. When did that happen?
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Agreed, I was hoping for the politics behind the Talks, and why suddenly everyone was out for Harry. I think the book would have been better served if we had more about that and less about the attempt to spring Thomas.. Or at least Harry getting a handle on the why of it. As I said there were a few chapters that were written very well, the one where Marcone sounds more like Harry. I find it odd that the gouls were signers of the Accords, when ever they have shown up in the stories, it has been on the other side. When did that happen?
The red court was also a member. The Fomor too. The denarians at one time.
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Also, it was just the LaChaise ghoul clan. Presumably there are other weaker clans out there.
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Peace Talks...Lots of family stuff happening. Maybe the peace talk is more about finding peace between Eb, Harry, Thomas, et al. Murphy finds peace with herself and her injuries. Just think it's more than the accorded nations. (My obvious statement for the day)
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Peace Talks...Lots of family stuff happening. Maybe the peace talk is more about finding peace between Eb, Harry, Thomas, et al. Murphy finds peace with herself and her injuries. Just think it's more than the accorded nations. (My obvious statement for the day)
Perhaps, but it seemed more like declaring war than making peace.
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Perhaps, but it seemed more like declaring war than making peace.
Agreed at this point. Gotta find resolution afterwards. Make Peace with those you love even if it's difficult.
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Peace Talks was always meant to be the most violent book to date, and I think the double meaning could be that the Talks are in Pieces (shattered by the machinations of the Black Council etc).
I like that.
Also, it was just the LaChaise ghoul clan. Presumably there are other weaker clans out there.
They might be the dominant clan or just the clan chosen to attend. Kind of like how if Harry didn't know a lot about the White Court and just said Lara Raith of House Raith was at the talks.
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I like that.
They might be the dominant clan or just the clan chosen to attend. Kind of like how if Harry didn't know a lot about the White Court and just said Lara Raith of House Raith was at the talks.
There's also Peace = Piece, as slang for a firearm, so weapon-talks if we allow word play.
I'm more inclined to believe that the LaChaise clan is separate in the Accords from other ghouls (either as members of some other nation or non-members). Officially it's the White Court, not the Raith Court.
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But what if instead, Eb does die, and gives Harry the Blackstaff. Then he finds out that the Council voted him out, but they have to keep him against their own wishes or risk losing the staff.
I can't see him trusting Harry enough to make a final choice to pass it on to him, at this point. I suppose Harry could take it up of his own initiative if Eb just died in front of him and dropped it, though. But if an excommunicated member had possession of the blackstaff, they're eminently capable of just killing him to recover it.
I think it much more likely that his role in the fighting is going to swing the vote in his favour or get it quashed. He's going to be rolling up with a couple of KotC backing him, and it would be hard to go through a major battle without having to show soulfire and probably the heavenly weapons in front of the warden / senior council contingent. A public display of Heaven's endorsement would make it pretty hard to carry on a proceedings based on arguing he's a bad guy.
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There's also Peace = Piece, as slang for a firearm, so weapon-talks if we allow word play.
That's good too.
Officially it's the White Court, not the Raith Court.
That's my point. Harry probably knows very little about the internal structures of Ghoul politics, culture, and society. But my point of why the LaChaise clan is there as opposed to the Ghoul High King or whatever is entirely speculation.
But if an excommunicated member had possession of the blackstaff, they're eminently capable of just killing him to recover it.
Authorized. Not necessarily capable. ;)
He's going to be rolling up with a couple of KotC backing him.
Again. Having a Knight or two backing him has never seemed to lessen the Council's judgment of Harry. A Knight helped him kick off the war with the Reds, and three Knights helped him finish it. If I was a wizard and I knew half of the things we know about Harry, I'd be scared of kicking him off the Council. Depending on which half I knew, my position would be either be keep him or keep him or kill him outright. Making him an enemy seems foolish.
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Again. Having a Knight or two backing him has never seemed to lessen the Council's judgment of Harry. A Knight helped him kick off the war with the Reds, and three Knights helped him finish it. If I was a wizard and I knew half of the things we know about Harry, I'd be scared of kicking him off the Council. Depending on which half I knew, my position would be either be keep him or keep him or kill him outright. Making him an enemy seems foolish.
I'm not sure how open he was in his reports to the Council of Michael's involvement in GP. And the mainstream Council doesn't know the details of what went down at Chichen Itza - it's not like Eb or the Grey Council members are going to testify to what they say. They're busy pretending they don't exist and were never in the area.
Waving the evidence that an archangel trusts him with Soulfire and the Spear of Destiny under the noses of half the senior council and some of the most important wardens left standing is a little harder for them to ignore.
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They're wizards. They should know all about it. For example, we know they're were plenty of survivors at Chichen Itza because Nicodemus said so.
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They're wizards. They should know all about it. For example, we know they're were plenty of survivors at Chichen Itza because Nicodemus said so.
Because Nicodemus said so? ;D
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I can't see him trusting Harry enough to make a final choice to pass it on to him, at this point.
I think it's pretty possible Eb will 'see the light' in BG - quite possibly while dying. Harry's apparent "death" in PT might have been enough of a shock to make him reconsider, anyway.
But if an excommunicated member had possession of the blackstaff, they're eminently capable of just killing him to recover it.
In general, yeah.
But there might be two issues in this case.
- If the Blackstaff is Mother Winter's walking stick (as seems likely) the Council killing the Winter Knight to recover it might be politically risky. Winter probably has a better right to it than the Council.
- Harry is Warden of Demonreach. It would be one thing to assassinate him, quite another to publicly announce that he was expelled from the Council and *then* come after him, since he could take refuge on Demonreach. Their best bet would be to take someone Harry cares about hostage... but after the Red Court, that might not feel very safe.
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Because Nicodemus said so? ;D
I think you see why I phrased it that way, but I do think we can be fairly certain that one was true. It might not actually be how he learned what happened at Chichen Itza. It could very well have been a plausible way he would have learned it. He needs to have obvious ways for people to think he learned things if he wants to keep the truth of Anduriel's ability secret. Nic didn't (and maybe still doesnt') know Harry knows.
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I think you see why I phrased it that way, but I do think we can be fairly certain that one was true. It might not actually be how he learned what happened at Chichen Itza. It could very well have been a plausible way he would have learned it. He needs to have obvious ways for people to think he learned things if he wants to keep the truth of Anduriel's ability secret. Nic didn't (and maybe still doesnt') know Harry knows.
It just sounds funny to bring Nicodemus words as proof for anything ;)
We know there were survivors. The grey council freed some of the prisoners and any half vampire young enough to survive turned human. Some of them might have fled before the freed prisoners started to kill them.
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Nic observes from the Shadows (isn't it technically one of Anduriel's capabilities?). It wouldn't be completely ludicrous to think he observes the Red Court throne enough to catch wind and the build up of metaphysical power for that spell was probably a solid tip-off as well.
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Nic observes from the Shadows (isn't it technically one of Anduriel's capabilities?). It wouldn't be completely ludicrous to think he observes the Red Court throne enough to catch wind and the build up of metaphysical power for that spell was probably a solid tip-off as well.
I'm wondering, if both survive the coming battle if Nic is going to offer Harry the Grail to heal Thomas in exchange for the Spear? No doubt Nic through Anduriel knows all about what happened with Thomas.
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I'm wondering, if both survive the coming battle if Nic is going to offer Harry the Grail to heal Thomas in exchange for the Spear? No doubt Nic through Anduriel knows all about what happened with Thomas.
Not all. He does not know what happened on the island.
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Not all. He does not know what happened on the island.
That is assuming that Anduriel cannot penetrate the island's shielding. However he'd know where Harry was headed with Thomas on the boat, and he knows that Thomas did not come back on the boat. He also knows the kind of shape Thomas is in and what Lara was trying to do. I wouldn't be totally shocked if he knew what the purpose of the island was as well.
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That is assuming that Anduriel cannot penetrate the island's shielding. However he'd know where Harry was headed with Thomas on the boat, and he knows that Thomas did not come back on the boat. He also knows the kind of shape Thomas is in and what Lara was trying to do. I wouldn't be totally shocked if he knew what the purpose of the island was as well.
Kringle said so and if you can not trust Father Christmas who can you trust?
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Kringle said so and if you can not trust Father Christmas who can you trust?
Said so what? Not know what's going on on the island? That part more or less makes sense, the Denarians set up shop there when they grabbed Ivy and Marcone... Had there been a Warden at that time they'd all be doing time. However Andruiel would know everything that went on in Chicago and on the boat between Chicago and the island and going back from the island to Chicago. Also Murphy asked Harry on the boat on the way back if it hurt to lock up Thomas... So yeah, Nic knows if not all, most of it..
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There are places Anduriel cannot reach—your friend Carpenter’s home, for example, or your island, now that you have awakened it.
He also must pay attention. He can not spend all his time watching Harry if he has other things to do and other people to watch.
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He also must pay attention. He can not spend all his time watching Harry if he has other things to do and other people to watch.
He is a fricking angel, or at least a fallen one... Harry is priority one with his host, Nic.. You can bet that Nic has a good idea that Harry got the goodies that he wants.
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He is a fricking angel, or at least a fallen one... Harry is priority one with his host, Nic.. You can bet that Nic has a good idea that Harry got the goodies that he wants.
He has his limits:
“No,” Kringle said. “That’s why Mab remains here, to secure this conversation against Anduriel. But you must exercise extreme discretion for the duration of this scenario. There are places Anduriel cannot reach—your friend Carpenter’s home, for example, or your island, now that you have awakened it. And the Fallen must know to pay attention to a given shadow, or else it’s all just a haze of background noise—but you can safely assume that Anduriel will be listening very carefully to your shadow during this entire operation. Anything you say, Nicodemus will know. Even writing something down could be compromised.”
He must pay attention and the rest is background noise.
He does not automatically knows everything.
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Anduriel can’t look into Hades vault either, it was Nicky who surmised Harry had scooped the pool on superweapons, not Anduriel.
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Anduriel can’t look into Hades vault either, it was Nicky who surmised Harry had scooped the pool on superweapons, not Anduriel.
Either way, Nic knows about them, that was the reason he went to the vault in the first place, except
Harry beat him to the punch and double crossed his double cross..
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Then Granny Winter is suddenly mobile again. That certainly couldn't go bad for anyone. Whoever would think that?! ;D
pretty sure that's why the council stole it to begin with. If we identify the staff and traveling stone as her mortal and pestle it gives her the mask of Baba Yaga, go anywhere, eat anything... Literally anything cause who can fight off a hungry MW?(Harry doesn't count, she gave it up after he passed her test/rebuke)
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The info on the vault was leaked to Nicky, he was set up.