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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: groinkick on May 23, 2018, 03:49:49 AM
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What do you think? Could he reanimate a body and use it to run around?
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If it was possible then Evil Bob would be the one to do it. Also, I think that even if Bob had the notion to do it, Butters wouldn't let him, and the longer Bob remains with Butters the more of Waldo's personality will rub off on Bob. So no, I don't see this scenario ever happening.
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He already did Susan the Dinosaur in Dead Beat. Harry commented that he took the T Rex's body when he could have done so with any of the zombies.
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He already did Susan the Dinosaur in Dead Beat. Harry commented that he took the T Rex's body when he could have done so with any of the zombies.
I think you mean Sue... But technically she was zombie animated at the time by Harry's spell. I think it possible, but it might break more laws of magic and nature than even Bob would be willing to break.
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Since Evil Bob didnt do it, I suspect he can possess a Zombie but not personally animate them (which is more than just a spell, requires an active Drummer, etc). He can possess animals and do Ride Alongs with humans, so he could possess the form, I just dont think he can give it the Animating Energy it would need for a fresh corpse, and/or call the Ectoplasm he'd need for Sue.
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We've seen both of them create bodies to use (and fight each other with) in the Never-never. They're not incapable of making their own ectoplasmic forms; they either can't pull it across into the real world, or don't bother.
Assuming the former, I still think Bob would be more inclined to possess a false body rather than a corpse. Given the latter, and he could use a skeleton as a frame for an ectoplasm-covered body.
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We've seen both of them create bodies to use (and fight each other with) in the Never-never. They're not incapable of making their own ectoplasmic forms; they either can't pull it across into the real world, or don't bother.
Assuming the former, I still think Bob would be more inclined to possess a false body rather than a corpse. Given the latter, and he could use a skeleton as a frame for an ectoplasm-covered body.
except for sunlight
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except for sunlight
Just superglue his Skull to the rest of a skeleton, and BAM! Instant SkeleBob.
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Just superglue his Skull to the rest of a skeleton, and BAM! Instant SkeleBob.
But could he animate a whole skeleton? He cannot animate his skull, just his eyes flash..
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But could he animate a whole skeleton? He cannot animate his skull, just his eyes flash..
I don't see why not. He jumps into a stone lion statue with little trouble.
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But could he animate a whole skeleton? He cannot animate his skull, just his eyes flash..
No, it's fully animated; there's often mention of how he manages to whistle without lips or over-act a yawn, even rotate himself on the shelf. Plus he's telekinetically moved his books on stage at least once. The eyelights are the main bit for actual expression but he's got some amount of mobility. Though he cant move the skull itself without aid, so Im curious if thats a real limit or just a restraint placed on him since ownership of the skull is so significant to his whole Deal.
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except for sunlight
Don't we see Bender's ectoplasm-based creatures during the day in Turn Coat?
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Don't we see Bender's ectoplasm-based creatures during the day in Turn Coat?
Yup, but those are Circle-Summoned creatures bound to him, summoned with his power, and quite possibly something more like a fae or demon than a pure spirit. Bob, specifically, cant survive the Sunrise or daylight at all without and actual Sanctum; just possessing a vehicle body isnt protection enough (at least a cat or a gun, as specific examples)
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Don't we see Bender's ectoplasm-based creatures during the day in Turn Coat?
I'm referring to Bob's form being vulnerable. Was your idea that he'd be protected within the skeleton?
You know this gives me an idea. Even if Bob doesn't have the kind of power to sustain a form as described, Harry may be able to create a type of battery that would require recharging while Bob isn't running about.
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Yup, but those are Circle-Summoned creatures bound to him, summoned with his power, and quite possibly something more like a fae or demon than a pure spirit. Bob, specifically, cant survive the Sunrise or daylight at all without and actual Sanctum; just possessing a vehicle body isnt protection enough (at least a cat or a gun, as specific examples)
I'm referring to Bob's form being vulnerable. Was your idea that he'd be protected within the skeleton?
You know this gives me an idea. Even if Bob doesn't have the kind of power to sustain a form as described, Harry may be able to create a type of battery that would require recharging while Bob isn't running about.
Yeah. He'd have a sanctum (the skull) enclosed in an ectoplasm shell. He'd be mobilizing the skeleton inside the shell. The body wouldn't be sensitive to sunlight, and would cover him. Maybe there'd be a problem with his power empowering the shell? The only exposed part would be the eyes, which could be under sunglasses or a hat.
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I think someone will have to make him the corpse/body, inscribed with runes with the skull as a sanctum/CPU. But it's pointless anyway, Butters was stupid to have Bob out in the open and fighting. Too vulnerable, and if a wizard of Cowl's calibre could separate the skull and lay a hand on it, he'd possess all of Bob's knowledge, which even without Evil Bob's portion is considerable.
If it has to be like this however, a failsafe should be inscribed in the runes, to destroy the skull if it were ever separated from the body, preferably violently enough to kill whoever steals it. RiP Bob.
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I think someone will have to make him the corpse/body, inscribed with runes with the skull as a sanctum/CPU. But it's pointless anyway, Butters was stupid to have Bob out in the open and fighting. Too vulnerable, and if a wizard of Cowl's calibre could separate the skull and lay a hand on it, he'd possess all of Bob's knowledge, which even without Evil Bob's portion is considerable.
If it has to be like this however, a failsafe should be inscribed in the runes, to destroy the skull if it were ever separated from the body, preferably violently enough to kill whoever steals it. RiP Bob.
That's why I mentioned (I'm not sure if it was in this thread or the other one) that they should make charms that are linked to the skull. Harry and Butters can each possess one. The mobile sanctum would be the "backup", and the ownership wouldn't be so cut and dry as who has the skull he's in. He could just vacate at night.
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That's why I mentioned (I'm not sure if it was in this thread or the other one) that they should make charms that are linked to the skull. Harry and Butters can each possess one. The mobile sanctum would be the "backup", and the ownership wouldn't be so cut and dry as who has the skull he's in. He could just vacate at night.
Imo if Bob gets a body it will be from a "deal" and kind of a happy thing because Bob will no longer be in servitude. He will be free, and have Choices. Now my guess is he'd make a Choice that results in his destruction and leaves fans with tears rolling down their cheeks (because Jim wants to torture us)... I hope there is a mega happy ending but who knows.