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Title: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: wardenferry419 on November 07, 2017, 11:33:11 PM
Who was everyone involved in attacking Arctis Tor?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Talby16 on November 08, 2017, 02:09:21 PM
I think there are too many unsolved mysteries in this book to count. My new favorite question: What happened to Sandra Marling and is she spooky?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Rasins on November 08, 2017, 05:07:20 PM
wasn't it pretty much confirmed that Thorned Namcial was there?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Talby16 on November 08, 2017, 07:54:19 PM
Were the fetches sent after Molly to A) kill her or B) Lead to Harry's training of her.
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Rasins on November 08, 2017, 08:02:24 PM
Quote from: Talby16 on November 08, 2017, 07:54:19 PM
Were the fetches sent after Molly to A) kill her or B) Lead to Harry's training of her.

Aren't the Fetches Mabs wet-works guys?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: wardenferry419 on November 08, 2017, 11:04:43 PM
Thorny was there; but, who else? Alot of damage was done and there were some very big bones left behind.
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Rasins on November 09, 2017, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: wardenferry419 on November 08, 2017, 11:04:43 PM
Thorny was there; but, who else? Alot of damage was done and there were some very big bones left behind.

Dinosaurs?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Talby16 on November 09, 2017, 07:33:22 PM
We just don't have enough to go on. We suspect Thorny because of the brimestone smell. Other then that we can guess a big bruiser or two and some wizards (possibly Cowl or other WC wizards).

Another question: were the fetches present during the attack and survived, came along after the attack with Molly, or take part in the attack and come back later with Molly?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Rasins on November 09, 2017, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: Talby16 on November 09, 2017, 07:33:22 PM
We just don't have enough to go on. We suspect Thorny because of the brimestone smell. Other then that we can guess a big bruiser or two and some wizards (possibly Cowl or other WC wizards).

Another question: were the fetches present during the attack and survived, came along after the attack with Molly, or take part in the attack and come back later with Molly?

I'm of the opinion that the Fetches were busy tracking and getting Molly and came to AT after the battle.

No, that's not right.  Weren't the bodies piled in front of the door up the tower?  That means that Eldest Fetch and Molly were up there during their deaths, and thus while the battle was going on.
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Talby16 on November 09, 2017, 08:07:20 PM
I believe there were fetches hidden in the bones so they could have moved them against the door once Eldest and Molly went up the tower.
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: wardenferry419 on November 09, 2017, 11:24:34 PM
I think there were fetches in the bones; but my memory ain't what it used to be.
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Rasins on November 10, 2017, 02:42:23 PM
Right, but how did the bodies get piled up in front of the door leading to the tower?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: wardenferry419 on November 10, 2017, 11:45:58 PM
Windy day?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Rasins on November 13, 2017, 06:02:28 PM
Or maybe magic?



Quote from: wardenferry419 on November 10, 2017, 11:45:58 PM
Windy day?

That actually made me guffaw.
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: wardenferry419 on November 13, 2017, 06:15:36 PM
I live to serve.
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Rasins on November 14, 2017, 06:40:18 PM
Okay, okay, okay ... I give in ...

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Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: wardenferry419 on November 14, 2017, 08:31:07 PM
Somebody is too naughty for their own good. ;)
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 15, 2017, 09:17:11 PM
Quote from: Rasins on November 08, 2017, 05:07:20 PM
wasn't it pretty much confirmed that Thorned Namcial was there?

Harry leaps to that conclusion from a standing start and Mab says nothing either way.

Harry then sfaicr, never mentions that again in any book after SmF, even ones crawling with Denarians or set largely in Winter.

Considering that the other conversation Harry has with Mab in SmF turns out to have involved her messing with his memory, I suspect she's got something going on there. (Hiding that whichever Denarian blew the doors off Arctis Tor killed all the trolls and goblins to open a pathway for Harry and company to get in and take out the Scarecrow without them realising they were being played is still my favourite notion here.)
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: wardenferry419 on November 15, 2017, 11:00:37 PM
While Thorny seems to be a strong possibility; I am wondering who else assisted him in the attack. Was it members of only one supernatural group or was it an alliance of members from multiple groups?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Rasins on November 21, 2017, 07:40:04 PM
Well, let's approach it the other way ... who besides Thorny could it have been?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Talby16 on November 21, 2017, 08:09:22 PM
Quote from: Rasins on November 21, 2017, 07:40:04 PM
Well, let's approach it the other way ... who besides Thorny could it have been?
Rosana and Tessa both displayed magic power. Perhaps one of them?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: wardenferry419 on November 21, 2017, 08:23:24 PM
Good chance, any non-Denerian combatants likely?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Arjan on November 24, 2017, 04:34:17 PM
Quote from: Rasins on November 14, 2017, 06:40:18 PM
Okay, okay, okay ... I give in ...

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More plausible than some other theories here. Do you have a coin?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: wardenferry419 on November 25, 2017, 12:28:54 AM
Well, I do have some funny looking coins in a bowl that don't look American or Canadian.
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Arjan on November 25, 2017, 06:42:14 AM
Quote from: wardenferry419 on November 25, 2017, 12:28:54 AM
Well, I do have some funny looking coins in a bowl that don't look American or Canadian.
Something like this?
https://www.google.nl/search?q=denarius+silver+coin&client=firefox-b&dcr=0&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjxrqSwltnXAhVMY1AKHQaiC7kQ_AUIEigB&biw=1024&bih=694
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: wardenferry419 on November 26, 2017, 12:58:20 AM
Nah, not so ritzy. But. thanks for looking out.
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Arjan on November 26, 2017, 01:06:20 PM
There are a lot of fakes around, modern counterfeits without the original spirit. :)
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Rasins on November 29, 2017, 03:31:22 PM
Quote from: Arjan on November 24, 2017, 04:34:17 PM
More plausible than some other theories here. Do you have a coin?

Why, no, Mr. Knight
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Arjan on November 29, 2017, 03:52:04 PM
Quote from: Rasins on November 29, 2017, 03:31:22 PM
Why, no, Mr. Knight
Hmm... Do you need a coin to use hellfire?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 29, 2017, 08:42:47 PM
Quote from: Rasins on November 21, 2017, 07:40:04 PM
Well, let's approach it the other way ... who besides Thorny could it have been?

Nicodemus, working for Mab. Hence her owing Anduriel the favour in SG.
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Arjan on November 29, 2017, 09:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rasins on November 21, 2017, 07:40:04 PM
Well, let's approach it the other way ... who besides Thorny could it have been?
Any of the fallen or a wizard connected to them. But the little evidence we have points to thorned namshiel.
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: wardenferry419 on November 29, 2017, 11:28:41 PM
Thorny couldn't have done all that damage himself. I am guessing Rosanna, Polonius, Magog as muscle. Could they have gotten any non-Denerians to work with them?
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: Arjan on November 30, 2017, 03:22:34 AM
Quote from: wardenferry419 on November 29, 2017, 11:28:41 PM
Thorny couldn't have done all that damage himself. I am guessing Rosanna, Polonius, Magog as muscle. Could they have gotten any non-Denerians to work with them?
I assume it was a Nemesis inspired attack to get to Lea to either free or kill her before she could talk. So it could have been a very diverse coalition. Maybe Cowl was involved.
Title: Re: Unsolved Mystery Book8 Tor party
Post by: wardenferry419 on November 30, 2017, 09:15:47 AM
Cowl is a possible. I mean he has to be doing stuff that Harry isn't seeing.