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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: RobReece on October 09, 2017, 02:41:18 AM
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I just watched the Salt Lake City video and have a couple of questions/observations
1) at one point (24:10) when talking about future books, Jim says that the wrestling book will come about because Harry has come to the gods attention when he "knocked over Ares' woodshed"... ok I'd always assumed it was when he had his interview with Hades... when has/is he intruding on Ares' territory? Assuming he hasn't already, will it be PT or MM?
2) timeline for the next three releases, @ about 21 minutes in he says that Brief Cases should be released "Junish" and PT about 12 weeks after that then the next Cinder Spire about 6-8 months later. So let's look forward to possibly three releases within a twelve month period.
3) a question was raised about Thomas wielding one of the Swords again.
A) I'm trying to remember when he wielded one the first time...
B) Jim says "maybe, if he still has his fingers? That this book is being rough on Thomas..." with the healing he gets from his demon, what would keep him from regenerating fingers, assuming they get removed in the first place.
Thoughts?
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Well he technically triggered a war with the Red Court (Ares is god of war). Harry ended that war, killing the Red Court. I'd say that if Ares is the god of war, Harry kind of one upped him in the present day. Maybe that's what Jim meant?
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Doesn't he hide in a woodshed on DR in SmF from Magog?
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Doesn't he hide in a woodshed on DR in SmF from Magog?
Well I'm pretty sure he was being figurative, not literal, and that was the remains of a wooden building, not a shed.Well he technically triggered a war with the Red Court (Ares is god of war). Harry ended that war, killing the Red Court. I'd say that if Ares is the god of war, Harry kind of one upped him in the present day. Maybe that's what Jim meant?
I guess that's possible, but you'd think that if a Greek God was upset with him, Harry might have heard about it by now, what 2 years since he ended the RC and the war?
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Well I'm pretty sure he was being figurative, not literal, and that was the remains of a wooden building, not a shed.I guess that's possible, but you'd think that if a Greek God was upset with him, Harry might have heard about it by now, what 2 years since he ended the RC and the war?
Well Harry has been a little detained... Was dead, and then not dead.. Vadderung mentioned people taking notice of that too I believe. Now he's Mab's Knight. Also the Greek God's aren't the power's they once were, that's why they do the wrestling.
They might not be upset with Harry, he grabbed their attention.
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I just watched the Salt Lake City video and have a couple of questions/observations
1) at one point (24:10) when talking about future books, Jim says that the wrestling book will come about because Harry has come to the gods attention when he "knocked over Ares' woodshed"... ok I'd always assumed it was when he had his interview with Hades... when has/is he intruding on Ares' territory? Assuming he hasn't already, will it be PT or MM?
2) timeline for the next three releases, @ about 21 minutes in he says that Brief Cases should be released "Junish" and PT about 12 weeks after that then the next Cinder Spire about 6-8 months later. So let's look forward to possibly three releases within a twelve month period.
3) a question was raised about Thomas wielding one of the Swords again.
A) I'm trying to remember when he wielded one the first time...
B) Jim says "maybe, if he still has his fingers? That this book is being rough on Thomas..." with the healing he gets from his demon, what would keep him from regenerating fingers, assuming they get removed in the first place.
Thoughts?
I am guessing that the Hades heist involved taking the God of War's tools. Because that is what a woodshed is often used for, maybe?
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The only thing I'm familiar with, regarding woodsheds, is storing wood in them, and getting/giving a beating behind one. For the former, wood is kept in a separate shed because of the potential danger storing such materials.
The idiom for "knocking over" is in regards to stealing from a bank.
So, I'm siding with WF on this one. I think Ares' woodshed was the store of weapons in the vault, which Harry knocked over. As the god of war, Ares probably considers all weapons as his domain. Even if they're from a different pantheon.
(Also, Ares wasn't very popular, so I could totally see him being some asshat that would take offense even if it's not his to take)
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I am guessing that the Hades heist involved taking the God of War's tools. Because that is what a woodshed is often used for, maybe?
I like that idea, they are weapons. But then why would they have been stored in Hades' vault? Is there a conflict between Hades and Ares on their disposition? Hades seemed fairly encouraging, so I'm not sure.
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Well, Hell is a sort of prison and they had to go through Hell to get those weapons. So, I would say Hades was performing a courtesy.
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The only thing I'm familiar with, regarding woodsheds, is storing wood in them, and getting/giving a beating behind one. For the former, wood is kept in a separate shed because of the potential danger storing such materials.
The idiom for "knocking over" is in regards to stealing from a bank.
So, I'm siding with WF on this one. I think Ares' woodshed was the store of weapons in the vault, which Harry knocked over. As the god of war, Ares probably considers all weapons as his domain. Even if they're from a different pantheon.
(Also, Ares wasn't very popular, so I could totally see him being some asshat that would take offense even if it's not his to take)
People wear many hats. Jim said they became interested when he knocked over Ares wood shed, not that Ares was mad. Hades, and Ares can be the same person, with different Mantles. However they may be interested because Harry has some bad ass weapons now... And Demonreach... and Excalibur...
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Well I'm pretty sure he was being figurative, not literal, and that was the remains of a wooden building, not a shed.I guess that's possible, but you'd think that if a Greek God was upset with him, Harry might have heard about it by now, what 2 years since he ended the RC and the war?
It was probably figuratively but I could totally see Ares showing up and demanding Harry help him the repay a debt because "Remember that wood shed you knocked over - it was mine "
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People wear many hats. Jim said they became interested when he knocked over Ares wood shed, not that Ares was mad. Hades, and Ares can be the same person, with different Mantles. However they may be interested because Harry has some bad ass weapons now... And Demonreach... and Excalibur...
Have you read anything about Ares? He's mad.
Mars had personality. Ares, by comparison, was just a god of war and battle. He had no gentle, noble side, at least as far as any sources I've seen have mentioned.
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Have you read anything about Ares? He's mad.
Mars had personality. Ares, by comparison, was just a god of war and battle. He had no gentle, noble side, at least as far as any sources I've seen have mentioned.
As was pointed out in Hades vault, history is not always accurate.
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As was pointed out in Hades vault, history is not always accurate.
As was pointed out in Hades' vault, the truth is there within the legend, if one reads between the lines.
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I don't think Hades is Ares. They have different temperaments. That said they can have different mantles that have different temperaments.
Anyways, there is WOJ that the gods ask Hades for someone to help with their godly problem, and Hades having interacted with Harry suggests Harry to them. They then proceed with his advice and go with him to solve it.
I didn't watch the video so I may be mistaken, but it may be that Harry has yet to knock over Ares' woodshed. So, perhaps it hasn't happened yet.
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I could see it as Hades is protector of the weapon's and Are's is more directly concerned with testing those who have them, as holders of War's greatest weapons on earth?
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I don't think Hades is Ares. They have different temperaments. That said they can have different mantles that have different temperaments.
Anyways, there is WOJ that the gods ask Hades for someone to help with their godly problem, and Hades having interacted with Harry suggests Harry to them. They then proceed with his advice and go with him to solve it.
I didn't watch the video so I may be mistaken, but it may be that Harry has yet to knock over Ares' woodshed. So, perhaps it hasn't happened yet.
that was in part my original question, was whether or not people thought it had happened already, or was still to come, maybe in PT?
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Can you link the video in the OP. Maybe also shoot a post of the link to some 'report new WOJ thread'.
The order of the books per WOJ are:
Peace Talks
Mirror Mirror
(Fight Night)* My title for wrestling book that Murphy alluded to in telling Harry "save it for fight night big guy."
1) at one point (24:10) when talking about future books, Jim says that the wrestling book will come about because Harry has come to the gods attention when he "knocked over Ares' woodshed"... ok I'd always assumed it was when he had his interview with Hades... when has/is he intruding on Ares' territory? Assuming he hasn't already, will it be PT or MM?
I could see Harry in climactic fight or escape from -MirrorMirror knocking over Ares' woodshed near the end either in Harry's or -Harry's reality. It most likely will be collateral damage with Harry like so much other things.
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Perhaps Ares was one of the depositors in Marcone's vault that they went through? It's possible he inflicted some property damage while fighting Tessa and was too preoccupied with staying alive to notice whose holdings he made a mess of.
In that case I can see Ares taking it sort of along the lines of "I'm impressed, but you still owe me for that".
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Nah, I want more story of an event that hasn't happened yet. Just my preference.
I'm still waiting for Larry Fowler to be a god on the talk show circuit. :) Or he is at least some supernatural entity.
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As was pointed out in Hades' vault, the truth is there within the legend, if one reads between the lines.
Well Ares, and Mars are at least in mythology one in the same. He's not only the god of war but also considered a guardian deity. Also an agricultural guardian, and considered second, only to Jupiter. So Ares may be a savage god with no redeeming qualities, or possibly if he is also Mars which he's supposed to be in mythology he may have redeeming qualities.
"Although Ares was viewed primarily as a destructive and destabilizing force, Mars represented military power as a way to secure peace,"
"the myths of Ares were reinterpreted by Roman writers under the name of Mars"
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Well Ares, and Mars are at least in mythology one in the same. He's not only the god of war but also considered a guardian deity. Also an agricultural guardian, and considered second, only to Jupiter. So Ares may be a savage god with no redeeming qualities, or possibly if he is also Mars which he's supposed to be in mythology he may have redeeming qualities.
"Although Ares was viewed primarily as a destructive and destabilizing force, Mars represented military power as a way to secure peace,"
"the myths of Ares were reinterpreted by Roman writers under the name of Mars"
That's the problem with simplification of pantheons. Because they were both gods of war, they're considered equivalents, or even the same. But they're not. They have different origins, personalities, and roles within their pantheons.
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I always interpreted Ares as Violent Conflict and Mars as War—both bloody, but not identical.
Some of the stuff in Hades's Vault (his actual vault, not the one Marcone operates) might've belonged to Ares. The woodshed might also have been the Red Court itself; they've always struck me as a bunch of tools (*rimshot*).
Good to hear a timeline about the book releases, if nothing else; just one more year...
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That's the problem with simplification of pantheons. Because they were both gods of war, they're considered equivalents, or even the same. But they're not. They have different origins, personalities, and roles within their pantheons.
Yeah. At the end of the day, Jim will decide how it's done. Because there are Mantles, and in most cases it appears that powerful being's have multiple Mantles, I'm thinking that Ares/Mars may be distinct Mantles worn by the same person.
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Maybe Mars is Ares 2.0, a new guy with the mantle and more into agriculture.
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Just guessing this is figurative. Dresden started a huge war, perhaps leading the war god to take note of him.
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If you'll think back to the fight in Hade's vault, there was also a bit of destruction.
There is a compelling reason to believe that Ares' woodshed was "knocked over" during the battle and we just didn't pick up on it.
Also, I like the thought that Harry's manner of ending the war with the Rampires would have been a figurative way for him to have knocked over Ares' woodshed (war).
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I've narrowed it down to basically 4 primary options and added a poll (my first). I'd be interested in seeing where people stand on it.
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Went with Red court War, Ares in the Hercules/Xenaverse always keeps a bunch of noob would be world conquerers around to keep the action hot. I could see Fight Night as Ares challenging Harry for his actions. Testing his Mettle.
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I went with Hades vault, mainly because of the phrase "knocking over."
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Here's another thought (thanks Jonas) ...
We know that Hades' vault was a test of worthiness to get the items.
Maybe a challenge by Ares/Mars in Fight Night will be another test to see if Harry has what it takes to lead the war against the Outsiders in the BAT?
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Goes along with Campbell's Hero's Journey.