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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: jamescagney22 on August 29, 2017, 08:04:38 PM
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So I saw this thread in the Dresden Files Reddit about the nature of Drakul and I have my own theory that has its origin in Grave Peril. In that book Michael calls Mavra "blood of the Dragon that old Serpent." Now Drakul was known as the dragon, as for the serpent, well in the bible there was a serpent who tricked Eve into eating the apple, and contrary to popular belief the serpent was not Lucifer, and as Drakul is trapped in human form it seems logical what his punishment is if you take it as a metaphor. Be a curse to humans and being hunted by them in turn seems to fit and it ties vampires in the demonic hierarchy as well.
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Is mavra the sort to take power for her self, or ensure the rise of her own court? I am leaning to her wanting to be large and Incharge, using her efforts to empower herself.
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Pretty sure that WON is that the serpent is Crowley, An Angel who did not so much Fall as Saunter Vaguely Downwards.
Wait, which book series were we talking about again?
Anyways, that connection is one that I never made before. But of course, Michael referring to "that old serpent" is of course a reference to King James version Revelation 12:9. You might be onto something.
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As far as Michael is concerned, it's quite possible that ALL monsters are 'blood of the dragon'.
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As far as Michael is concerned, it's quite possible that ALL monsters are 'blood of the dragon'.
Narm? Now this is why I always connect it to Lucifer himself, he mentions Dragon and serpent in the same breath. A wingless dragon is what? A fallen angel looses what?
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Well in hindsight I forgot that he was referring to Revelations but my line of thinking was that since in the Dresdenverse everything is like the blind man and the elephant and Lucifer was not in the Old testament, and since Dracula was the creator of the Black Court I thought why not.
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I really can't say why, but I'm doubtful of Drakul being the Serpent in the Garden. Possible, but I just don't think EVERYTHING is that tightly tied together.
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Well at the very least he has some demonic origin maybe one of the first demon lords. Wonder why he is stuck on earth?
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Well at the very least he has some demonic origin maybe one of the first demon lords. Wonder why he is stuck on earth?
Considering one overlooked scene in GS where Bob offhandedly mentions Uriel conned the father of lies himself, and the fact I can find no biblical reference for that, I think Uriel tricked him into a human host because it would give him more 'power' in the choice category, but he failed to see he wouldn't keep his true power and would thereafter be stuck? Either way the reference was to an event pertaining to the DF itself.
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It could be he sent one of his most powerful lieutenant and Uriel trapped him on the mortal plane limiting him to one realm but this is all conjecture we should glimpse more in the coming books.
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What's interesting is that the earliest reference to an identity for the serpent of the garden is the angel Gadreel. That name means "wall of God".
So, we've got a corruption of the Wall of God leading to humanity's knowledge that would introduce death and suffering to reality as we know it.
Not really relevant to this conversation, but interesting none the less.
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What's interesting is that the earliest reference to an identity for the serpent of the garden is the angel Gadreel. That name means "wall of God".
So, we've got a corruption of the Wall of God leading to humanity's knowledge that would introduce death and suffering to reality as we know it.
Not really relevant to this conversation, but interesting none the less.
Cool.. can I do that too? Cause randomly researching other things I came across And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he comes, he must continue a short space.
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes into perdition.
Which ya know, I saw a theory here couple years back that was not well received at all, on how Harry shall return from MM using a pentagonal shaped time travel spell that touches two spots twice entertwining six Dresden timelines with the one already there(MM one). Well... this little biblical snippet(if you consider king and magus the same article as per the 3 wise men/3 kings/3 magus who visited TWC in his manger, ect, ect). Based on the idea Kemmler used the pull duplicates from other timelines 6 times to cheat his death those 6 times but on the seventh, seven being a magical number and all, it actually summons the equal or greater version of themselves and Harry is MM Harrys sixth try at it, making Harry magical #7 there. The 'continue a short space' line as it pertains to Rosenburg bridge theory of connecting points across vast distances, ect, ect. Pretty sure he even talked about the one who wasn't, about how all the versions that didn't happen coalesce into one or something? making the eight accounted for to..
Bottom line, really wish that theory was still around, cause I accidently found an outside reference to it. Anyway..
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Considering one overlooked scene in GS where Bob offhandedly mentions Uriel conned the father of lies himself, and the fact I can find no biblical reference for that, I think Uriel tricked him into a human host because it would give him more 'power' in the choice category, but he failed to see he wouldn't keep his true power and would thereafter be stuck? Either way the reference was to an event pertaining to the DF itself.
I find this interesting. Isn't the Father of Lies, Lucifer? The ruler in Hell?
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Well depriving him of a being on Mab's power level could be considered getting the better of him. Although considering the hierarchy of hell that might be a plus in Lucifer's eyes as the Denarians have shown.
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I find this interesting. Isn't the Father of Lies, Lucifer? The ruler in Hell?
Well, officer/leader by Woj description, but ya.
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Wasn't it Lucy who powered the beams in Small Favor? I don't supposed it would be impossible for it to have been Drakul/Lucy, but I'm thinking Harry would have gotten some kind of heads-up if Drakul had been in Chicago.
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Wasn't it Lucy who powered the beams in Small Favor? I don't supposed it would be impossible for it to have been Drakul/Lucy, but I'm thinking Harry would have gotten some kind of heads-up if Drakul had been in Chicago.
Spells, thaumaturgy, calling power, ect, ect.
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There are very few true dragons left, I don't think Drakul is one of them, but I could see him making a play for the position/power.
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Didn't someone have a theory once that Drakul was a creature trying to assume one of the mantles vacated with the demise of a great dragon?
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Haven't heard that theory in a while.
Though I agree the fact that Drakul and historically he was the founder of an Order of Knights known as The Order of the Dragon, would suggest theirs some sort of link. Though the common theory is that he's part Outsider.
Here's the direct WOJ about Drakul and Dracula.
And also what is Drakul a scion of?
Drakul wasn't a scion of anything! He was something entirely unhuman that got trapped in human form. Dracula was his half-human child, who naturally had enormous paternal issues, and wound up creating himself as the first Black Court Vampire in an effort to win his father's approval.
It didn't work out so well.
There is another woj that we will "Indeed" be seeing Drakul in the future.
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Dracula becomes a vampire that feed on death to impress Drakul. Does that give a clue as to the nature of Drakul's original form?
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Dracula becomes a vampire that feed on death to impress Drakul. Does that give a clue as to the nature of Drakul's original form?
Maybe, maybe not. JB has joked about how Harry had to die and come back to get to all the good stuff. It's also said that dying and coming back gets the attention of powerful creatures.
Dracula might have been attempting something similar, but might have botched the coming back part. He was still a little too dead. Which wouldn't necessarily have anything to do with his father's abilities.
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Dracula becomes a vampire that feed on death to impress Drakul. Does that give a clue as to the nature of Drakul's original form?
Interesting thought. Could Dracul be a Grim Reaper?
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Dracula becomes a vampire that feed on death to impress Drakul. Does that give a clue as to the nature of Drakul's original form?
IS death and feeds on life... They are a perfect mirror to the being's they replace in a way.
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I figure Dracula attempted to access somehow Drakul power, that was sealed away when bound in human form. But the BCV was a failure. I just keep wondering say someone used an altered dark hollow ritual, but using the bcv remaining elders as fuel. I figure that somehow Drakul and the BCV are tied together, so if done right, affecting one will affect the other.