Personally, I don't think so. There is nothing to indicate that he is a signatory to the accords. Also, his realm is kind of separate from the others, and as such he wouldn't need to be a member.
Then again, if he holds another mantle, he could be there but not be there.
The people who will show up to peace talks are those who are already involved - or those who want a strong say in what happens AND can create a legitimate excuse to be there. Hades does not get involved -- and is not currently involved - so why would he be there.
Even parties need an invite and the peace talks are bound to be more selective than that.
Wouldn't it be funny if Hades sent Deirdre as his representative?
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Other factions might watch or attend, but simply not officially. They could have unofficial envoys, to act sub rosa.Eh, I dont really see that happening, attendance on the sly I mean. Either they are interested enough to attend and participate by the rules, or else they abstain from the proceedings. Id view that sort of sneaking around to be a Disrespect to the Accords, which Mab would not tolerate.
Pretty sure he is a signatory... He upheld the rules of hospitality.Hospitality has nothing to do with the Accords.
Eh, I dont really see that happening, attendance on the sly I mean. Either they are interested enough to attend and participate by the rules, or else they abstain from the proceedings. Id view that sort of sneaking around to be a Disrespect to the Accords, which Mab would not tolerate.I don't know. The Accords seem to have a rather bureaucratic element to them, so I could see something similar to the Robert's Rules of Order and Parliamentary Procedure in play, meaning one group could offer another group their proxy. That way they can avoid attendance without offense because they followed the rules. Just surmise, mind, but as complex as any treaty/contract is likely to be - particularly one created by a high-ranking Fae - I can't help but see work-arounds like that being common.
I don't know. The Accords seem to have a rather bureaucratic element to them, so I could see something similar to the Robert's Rules of Order and Parliamentary Procedure in play, meaning one group could offer another group their proxy. That way they can avoid attendance without offense because they followed the rules. Just surmise, mind, but as complex as any treaty/contract is likely to be - particularly one created by a high-ranking Fae - I can't help but see work-arounds like that being common.Oh, sure, sending your vote by proxy would be fine. But then you'd "Not Be There." What I dont see them doing is saying Im Not Coming and then trying to skulk about in the background of the proceedings or otherwise retain any access. Either you are their in person (and participate or abstain as normal) as per the Respect due of you peer members, or you cannot and so send a properly empowered Proxy. But I think that you cannot have it both ways, you cannot still participate in the conclave after having bartered off your vote (though you could probably take if back from a vassal proxy like a handmaiden).
/shrug
Sure you can, Q.Sounds like needless, pointless theater. So of course you must be correct. ;D
And then at the right time, reveal yourself to large effect.
If he does show up, he can pass those two coins from his vault to the warden of demonreach. The one prison that could truly keep it contained.
Not even DR could... When asked about them Jim always responds "they are supposed to be in circulation". My guess is a Fallen Archangel can get them out of anywhere, even DR.Since DR is proof against Anduriel's rather broad and blanket powers, I have to think it's strong enough to block any individual actions by an imprisoned Fallen. I suspect The Balance would end up requiring outside intervention of some kind (from subtle fate-twisting to an outright Jailbreak), but it would be a force on the scale of Universal Balance rather than the individual power-levels of the Fallen themselves (and especially "hobbled as the are").
Somehow I think that the only way DR could contain a coin is if it imprisons a coin bearer as well. Just seems like that would be a way around the "Needs to be in circulation" requirement.Hmmm, I dont know...Wouldnt that be the same sort of thing that would trigger the general One Ring Abandonment mechanism some (me at least) mostly picture? Im not sure I get how the Mortal Host would be a significant difference; their Free Will Choices would normally be paramount, but I dont know if it would be any different than the Free Will Choice of whomever was trying to lock up the coins in the first place (which apparently is not strong enough to keep them out of circulation).
Silly thought....I've long thought Harry needs to host a BBQ on DR. Invite Hades and Spot to play with Mouse, invite Ivy to get to know (and Love) Maggie (and play with spot and mouse), invite McCoy to meet his granddaughter, invite Eldest Gruff for that beer Harry owes him, etc, etc, etc.
Hades -- if he comes --- brings Cerberus.
Image 1 -- Cerberus and Mouse playing (and destroying) a conference room playing Frisbee tag
Image 2 -- there is an entire "pet sitting" room where all sorts of monstrous pets/mounts are "in doggie day care".
I am going to sit in the corner and hyperventilate until these thoughts go away. :)
I've long thought Harry needs to host a BBQ on DR. Invite Hades and Spot to play with Mouse, invite Ivy to get to know (and Love) Maggie (and play with spot and mouse), invite McCoy to meet his granddaughter, invite Eldest Gruff for that beer Harry owes him, etc, etc, etc.would you really invite Ivy back to the island where she was tortured and abused?
Since DR is proof against Anduriel's rather broad and blanket powers, I have to think it's strong enough to block any individual actions by an imprisoned Fallen. I suspect The Balance would end up requiring outside intervention of some kind (from subtle fate-twisting to an outright Jailbreak), but it would be a force on the scale of Universal Balance rather than the individual power-levels of the Fallen themselves (and especially "hobbled as the are").
would you really invite Ivy back to the island where she was tortured and abused?Ohhh....Right. :-[
I wasn't talking about that Fallen.. I'm talking about the Fallen Archangel who put them in the Coins.Oh, ok, because I definitely thought we were talking about the actual fallen in Coins and whether they could escape DR themselves. Are you saying you credit the continued "Circulation" of the Coins to Lucy? Or do you think he has a coin of his own?
Oh, ok, because I definitely thought we were talking about the actual fallen in Coins and whether they could escape DR themselves. Are you saying you credit the continued "Circulation" of the Coins to Lucy? Or do you think he has a coin of his own?Yeah, I think Lucy helps keep them out there. Well maybe I dunno. Jim suggested the Coins can reach out, and influence people into releasing them. Perhaps it would be similar to when Lasciel was in Harry's head, giving him a suggestion he wasn't able to ignore.
Yeah, I think Lucy helps keep them out there. Well maybe I dunno. Jim suggested the Coins can reach out, and influence people into releasing them. Perhaps it would be similar to when Lasciel was in Harry's head, giving him a suggestion he wasn't able to ignore.You know, I dunno. I always attributed it to a more impersonal Balancing Force of the Universe, though in retrospect I was probably actually just giving TWG credit. But if the answer is "God is doing it" then logically an equally valid answer should be "God's Adversary is doing it".
While I don't doubt the coins can influence others and the world around them, I am betting the whole meant to be in circulation must have been bolstered and inflated by nicodemus efforts.fwiw, Anduriel (specifically, not jsut Nic) seems far more afraid of /Mouse/ than anything. His reactions to Mouse have always been unusually severe
The thing is while they are fallen, the denarians can be counted. We know they can be messed with using soulfire, and they seemed vulnerable in the presence of sword of the cross. Also, I wonder if they might have a similar vulnerability on demonreach, due to the fact they were slain there and it's protections are at least able to interfere with some abilities of the fallen.
We know they can be messed with using soulfire, and they seemed vulnerable in the presence of sword of the cross. Also, I wonder if they might have a similar vulnerability on demonreach, due to the fact they were slain there and it's protections are at least able to interfere with some abilities of the fallen.
While Kincaid did shoot the fallen, it was done in the presence of a knight of the cross. I figure that adds to his chances. Other wise it seems the fallen are easy to take out.
I have no doubt that angels can be killed - including fallen angels. But I doubt there is much a mortal -- even a wizard - can do to achieve that outcome. But i am certain a being like Hades or Mother Winter can do so if they were so motivated (and not otherwise prohibited by their mantle)
Can destroy a fallen angel - certainly. Uriel is a lot more powerful than an ordinary angel.
Is permitted to - probably not.
I don't know about that. Michael is an Archangel, yet he didn't just destroy Lucifer's legions.
That being said, Uriel can destroy a galaxy with a thought ... could he destroy a fallen angel?You know, Now that I think about it, I dont think so. He probably could act as the Tool to allow TWG destroy a fallen if that were the route to be taken, but I dont think he'd be capable on his own Power (even f her were willing to risk a possible Fall to try it). If an Archangel could destroy a Fallen I would have expected Lucy to take that route rather than locking up only his worst 30 rivals in such a way that they arguably got /more/ powerful...
You know, Now that I think about it, I dont think so. He probably could act as the Tool to allow TWG destroy a fallen if that were the route to be taken, but I dont think he'd be capable on his own Power (even f her were willing to risk a possible Fall to try it). If an Archangel could destroy a Fallen I would have expected Lucy to take that route rather than locking up only his worst 30 rivals in such a way that they arguably got /more/ powerful...
Think of it like Lara Raith and Harry. Harry is a threat to Lara, but if she can consistently point him at her enemies, why would she kill him? Likewise, why would Lucifer kill his lieutenants when he can force them to be no threat to himself while still fighting against Luci's enemies?Good point, I suppose we dont know that he /hasn't/ killed a fallen along the line that challenged him or something, just that he chose to use the coins for those particular ones.
I totally see the coin collection ending up in the well, not only due to its epic image. The warden has soulfire. His pseudo nephlim spirit of intellect daughter likely has the knowledge of a shadow of the fallen. The knowledge, combined with soul fire, backed by the well has the best chance at permanently containing the coins. Want to bet Bonnie knows all the sigils and names for the nickel heads?
What's more, want to bet she also knows how to summon each one?Perhaps it's better to say that somewhere in there she likely knows a bunch of summoning rituals and likely one of the would work on the coins. But if she's still at the stage of "Guess what? Pancakes are /inanimate/!" then I dont know that she'll yet have built too much context around that odd set of 30 special coins. Or the actual practice of Magic, for that matter.
Perhaps it's better to say that somewhere in there she likely knows a bunch of summoning rituals and likely one of the would work on the coins. But if she's still at the stage of "Guess what? Pancakes are /inanimate/!" then I dont know that she'll yet have built too much context around that odd set of 30 special coins. Or the actual practice of Magic, for that matter.
Wouldn't it be funny if Hades sent Deirdre as his representative?
I've long thought Harry needs to host a BBQ on DR. Invite Hades and Spot to play with Mouse, invite Ivy to get to know (and Love) Maggie (and play with spot and mouse), invite McCoy to meet his granddaughter, invite Eldest Gruff for that beer Harry owes him, etc, etc, etc.you know harry to made that much powerplay so casualy will make some one wet his pants for sure. we are talking god, girl with enough info to remove you from face of earth, the f ing black staff,assasin of summer court, posibly winter lady and white court princess, chicagos mafia boss, couple of knights of cross may be fix as well. thats to much power to put in same place.
you know harry to made that much powerplay so casualy will make some one wet his pants for sure. we are talking god, girl with enough info to remove you from face of earth, the f ing black staff,assasin of summer court, posibly winter lady and white court princess, chicagos mafia boss, couple of knights of cross may be fix as well. thats to much power to put in same place.Oh, only about half those, the ones he actually considers friends. Certainly no Marcone.
What other mantles could Hades have than the lord of the underworld?
I've been thinking about this, and given his nature, I don't think he has any other Mantles.At the very least I think he's had an expansion of Duties. Hades was a Psychopomp and ruler of the underworld, both nominally Death as well as some amount of Supernatural prison. But later towards the roman age, he became conflated with Plutus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutus), the greek god of Wealth. Thus his Roman name Pluto, the god of Treasures, mineral Wealth, and often the keeper of misc Quest Items in various tales. In light of SG, this all makes perfect sense.
Gotta remember, he's the responsible one. Sure, Hades (the place) may be run smoothly, but it could also depend on his regularly monitoring things. And he is absolutely the one who would not shirk that responsibility. Having other mantles could interfere with that job.
At the very least I think he's had an expansion of Duties. Hades was a Psychopomp and ruler of the underworld, both nominally Death as well as some amount of Supernatural prison. But later towards the roman age, he became conflated with Plutus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutus), the greek god of Wealth. Thus his Roman name Pluto, the god of Treasures, mineral Wealth, and often the keeper of misc Quest Items in various tales. In light of SG, this all makes perfect sense.
It almost sounds like a Saint. As in a Patron Saint of (insert subject).Well, if Hecate can be Mother of Angels and Vadderung can be St Nicolas, I dont see why Hades couldnt have a Sainthood somewhere.
(which I doubt as he's most likely gonna show up in the Wrestling Book which I'm majorly apprehensive about )
I was slightly dissapointed in Peace Talks we didn't get to see a fight between Cererus and the Chupacabra. I hope if Hades does show up (which I doubt as he's most likely gonna show up in the Wrestling Book which I'm majorly apprehensive about) in Peace Talks we get to see Cerberus in action eating some Fomor.