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The Site => Site Suggestions & Support => Topic started by: meg_evonne on July 01, 2007, 04:31:07 PM
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As the election is just now warming up out in the heartland and based on the immediate and strong opinions on the Iraq War thread, perhaps we need a special topic catagory. I suggest the name Corner Table, (from Mac's of course!).
The war thread seems to be getting into several topics that each could hold their own thread. Central location seems reasonable.
Candidates
War in Iraq
Supreme court decisions
Women's issues
Stem Cell
etc....
Could even have a hot seat area where two opposite sides (mono on mono) for a pre-set time period could take each other on to the amusement of the adult community.
Just a thought! Have a super summer. Don't forget to pick your candidate and stomp the pavement for them. Every little bit helps!
Meg in IA (It took long enough for an active Iowan, but I've just set my hopes on Hillary.)
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What are you electing?
Before anyone shoots me, may I remind you that I'm English and have never really worked out what you do in the US with your elections or what/who exactly you are electing to what.
i already know that elections can be fixed. I don't need to be reminded or to know your evaluations of the validity of previous elections.
THANK YOU.
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I dunno, I think having the Politics thread is making people get heated up in here in stead of relaxing. Of course, I self censor by not going...
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I dunno, I think having the Politics thread is making people get heated up in here in stead of relaxing. Of course, I self censor by not going...
Makes two of us who stay away from it. To quote Bertolt Brecht:
"Drink your silvovitz,
Drink your beer,
But talk no politics in here.
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If Iago wants to create a sub-thread board for it, in an effort to push all talk of politics over there (with the rule of what happens in Vegas....), I'll moderate it.
I figure it's going to get talked about, better to have a thread (or board) to keep it contained.
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I dunno, I think having the Politics thread is making people get heated up in here in stead of relaxing. Of course, I self censor by not going...
yup yup.
too often it goes real bad real fast. and with the elections coming it's only gonna get more volatile. i get mad enough following things on the news.
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I dunno, I think having the Politics thread is making people get heated up in here in stead of relaxing. Of course, I self censor by not going...
I don't know. For me its kind of fun. A corner table would be fine... but it seems like the two political threads are going good so far. No one's really started throwing any names around yet.
Although I do wonder what'll happen when Ballplayer and Uncle Draggi eventually go head to head. They both seem to get a bit excited over their points... and they do seem on opposite end of the spectrum from eachother :))
The Deposed King
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The following is (for the moment) a statement of preference and not a confirmation of policy.
In the past, when this was a mailing list, politics were off-limits. There were reasons for that.
I would prefer politics to be absent from the board alltogether.
Why? It never does good things for a board. Political (and, honestly, religious) discussions lead to:
a) Thread bloat
b) Bad feelings
c) Banned users
All of which I hate seeing happen on my boards.
If folks are ready to risk that, well, Mickey's in charge there.
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I'm against it, so I've been staying away from those threads all together.
I come here for the discussion about "Jim Butcher and things his fans think are cool".
I'm sure that there are plenty of other places where people can go talk about religion & politics.
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I come here for the discussion about "Jim Butcher and things his fans think are cool".
I'm sure that there are plenty of other places where people can go talk about religion & politics.
So did I to begin with, but it seems that religion and politics are cool to some people. The religion thread got through 200+ postings without war breaking out, and I learned a lot. The political threads so far have been models of thoughtful discussion and mutual respect--partly because we know we have something important in common (Jim's books & the series).
And, yes, there are other places, but this feels like home or a great coffee shop, it's the best forum I've ever found, I like the other people here--all of them--and I don't want to screw it up.
On the other hand, if politics gets banned, it won't ruin my day. But I need something meaty to think about while waiting for the renewal decision to come down. A girl can only take so many Xanax in a day. ;)
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What are you electing?
Before anyone shoots me, may I remind you that I'm English and have never really worked out what you do in the US with your elections or what/who exactly you are electing to what.
Right now we're working up to the party primaries and caucuses. There are debates being televised as the hopefuls try to secure enough support for each party's nomination for the 2008 presidential election. There are also the websites, television appearances, editorials, and talking heads vaporing endlessly. Part of the heightened tension comes from a change in the scheduling of some of the more important votes: they're having the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primaries earlier than ever before. They make everyone nervous because historically they've been almost infallible predictors of the nominees and even the next president.
I suppose the closest parallel to the UK experience would be having both parties electing new leaders at the same time.
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I come here for the discussion about "Jim Butcher and things his fans think are cool".
I'm sure that there are plenty of other places where people can go talk about religion & politics.
Firstly it would seem that some of Jim's fans do think about religion & politics.
Secondly, most of the forums I've seen ban the discussion of religion and politics.
Thirdly I can I find out what people on the other side of the world think, or eventually get to find out just what the difference between Republicans and Democrats is. I don't agree with all I read, but at least I can sometimes see where the ideas are coming from.
Thank you Buttersfly, (As a child I call butterflys, Flutterbys, so ever time my eyes see your screen name part of my brain scrambles it. ;D )
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Firstly it would seem that some of Jim's fans do think about religion & politics.
Secondly, most of the forums I've seen ban the discussion of religion and politics.
Thirdly I can I find out what people on the other side of the world think, or eventually get to find out just what the difference between Republicans and Democrats is. I don't agree with all I read, but at least I can sometimes see where the ideas are coming from.
Thank you Buttersfly, (As a child I call butterflys, Flutterbys, so ever time my eyes see your screen name part of my brain scrambles it. ;D )
Or how 'bout seeing what's up with the Libertarians? Bicameralism is so... dull, to me at least. I'd rather sit on the fence.
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In the US, we have a two party system. Republican/Democrat, and everybody else.
(Sorry, every now and then, I channel Mark Twain.)
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In the US, we have a two party system. Republican/Democrat, and everybody else.
(Sorry, every now and then, I channel Mark Twain.)
see i think we need more party's
2 can not represent an entire nation.
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see i think we need more party's
2 can not represent an entire nation.
Heartily seconded. Two parties alone simply can't adequately represent the diversity of this nation.
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Heartily seconded. Two parties alone simply can't adequately represent the diversity of this nation.
Heartily waffling. While, on the one hand, I'm almost as frustrated with my own party as I am with the other bunch, I would hate to see the US fall into the kind of mess they have in Italy and Israel, where there are numerous parties, so numerous that none can gain a majority on its own. Every election, they have to form multi-party co-alitions just to come up with a government. The coalition members all demand concessions and compromises. Whether they get them or not, the coalitions are always falling apart or threatening to fall apart. It's not very stable or efficient.
On the other hand, we've seen ourselves how dramatically both parties can change. Clinton dragged the Democrats to the center. Bush II adopted the neo-con agenda. Neither party is what it was twenty years ago.
The problem for us is to take control of our parties back to the grass roots and make them what we want them to be, not what they think they have to be to get elected. We have to stop them focusing on divisive fake problems and force them to address the elephants and donkeys in the living room: abiding by the Constitution, making our healthcare #1 instead of #37, eliminating the national debt, educating our children, recovering our productivity, preserving and improving our environment, and doing government business in real time and the light of day. I refuse to accept that we cannot; I'm tired of accepting that our parties will not.
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Iago wants to hold off on this til August, and then see if it's still a good idea.
He's con-hopping this month, and is focused on that. (For those that don't know, he runs a gamming company...the very one producing The Dresden RPG, as well as FATE and Spirit of the Century)
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Okay, I will agree with you that politics are a topic that Jim's fans find cool. It is just not why I come to this forum. My reaction then is to continue to avoid those threads.
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Fine by me.
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Iago is planning on making a sub-board for "touchy topics" soon. This board will likely have more policing and thread closures than the other boards by its very nature, as a matter of course. (Or...maybe it won't. You guys are unnervingly polite) It will also have the rule of what happens in there, stays in there...no leaking onto other boards.
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I don't know. For me its kind of fun. A corner table would be fine... but it seems like the two political threads are going good so far. No one's really started throwing any names around yet.
Although I do wonder what'll happen when Ballplayer and Uncle Draggi eventually go head to head. They both seem to get a bit excited over their points... and they do seem on opposite end of the spectrum from eachother :))
The Deposed King
Oh cmon we aint that bad ;D
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I'd like to say thanks for this; I've enjoyed the general calibre of discussions on potentially touchy topics here over the past few months, but it does feel easier to be relaxed about engaging with them when they're in a space set aside for the purpose.
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The fact that everyone tends to have relatively calm and thoughtout discussions is kinda cool. ;)