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The Dresden Files => DFRPG => Topic started by: Hick Jr on January 18, 2013, 01:33:02 AM

Title: Rote target clarification
Post by: Hick Jr on January 18, 2013, 01:33:02 AM
This probably doesn't merit it's own topic, but can a Rote spell be split up into a spray attack?
Title: Re: Rote target clarification
Post by: Deadmanwalking on January 18, 2013, 01:34:09 AM
Depends on your GM. The rules are somewhat unclear.

I'd allow it.
Title: Re: Rote target clarification
Post by: Hick Jr on January 18, 2013, 01:39:50 AM
A flawless segue into a secondary topic- The current GM for Disaster on the West Coast is...dodgy. I know you're busy, but would you at least consider stepping in?
Title: Re: Rote target clarification
Post by: Deadmanwalking on January 18, 2013, 02:43:45 AM
Oooh...you're right I am busy, and have gotten busier recently...but perhaps not too busy. I don't have time to check up on the game and see if I'd be interested right now...but I should sometime over the long weekend. I'll PM you.
Title: Re: Rote target clarification
Post by: Richard_Chilton on January 18, 2013, 02:52:50 AM
A rote spell is the same spell cast the same way every time.

If it's a spray, it's always a spray (even if it's only spraying one target).  If it's not a spray, then it's never a spray.

That said, there's nothing wrong with you casting something very similar as a normal spell, only as a spray that you need a control roll to cast.

Richard
Title: Re: Rote target clarification
Post by: Deadmanwalking on January 18, 2013, 03:01:30 AM
If it's a spray, it's always a spray (even if it's only spraying one target).  If it's not a spray, then it's never a spray.

A spray at one target is identical to a normal attack. With this ruling why wouldn't every Wizard just define all spells as spray attacks?
Title: Re: Rote target clarification
Post by: LeviathanZero on January 18, 2013, 04:32:53 AM
A spray at one target is identical to a normal attack. With this ruling why wouldn't every Wizard just define all spells as spray attacks?

Collateral damage? :)
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Title: Re: Rote target clarification
Post by: blackstaff67 on January 18, 2013, 04:41:54 AM
I believe that using that rote Earthquake spell that belongs to Donald Morgan, you can choose to spray a rote spell.  Not only that, it doesn't even have to be the same number of targets each and every time.
Title: Re: Rote target clarification
Post by: Tedronai on January 18, 2013, 05:13:25 AM
I believe that using that rote Earthquake spell that belongs to Donald Morgan, you can choose to spray a rote spell.  Not only that, it doesn't even have to be the same number of targets each and every time.

You shouldn't base your rules claims on examples which, at best, ignore the rules whenever it's convenient.
Title: Re: Rote target clarification
Post by: Theonlyspiral on January 18, 2013, 03:58:35 PM
You shouldn't base your rules claims on examples which, at best, ignore the rules whenever it's convenient.
Well then, there goes most of the examples in the books.
Title: Re: Rote target clarification
Post by: Mr. Death on January 18, 2013, 04:15:00 PM
I believe that using that rote Earthquake spell that belongs to Donald Morgan, you can choose to spray a rote spell.  Not only that, it doesn't even have to be the same number of targets each and every time.
The example spells aren't Rote examples, just examples of spells.

I made that same mistake in an earlier discussion around here.
Title: Re: Rote target clarification
Post by: JDK002 on January 18, 2013, 04:27:27 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you roll for control before you decide if you want to make a spray attack?  I honestly can't remember, spray attacks have rarely come up in my game.

If that is the case then I have no idea.  You could make a good arguement either way.

I would probably allow it at my table.  Spray isn't literal in it's narrative, it could be described as doing a weaker version of the rote spell 3 times in rapid succession on 3 different targets.