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The Dresden Files => DFRPG => Topic started by: Chrono on September 01, 2012, 06:46:19 PM
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I know there are several mythologies in the Dresdenverse, including Greek, Norse, Irish, Egyptian, and English. I was wondering, since demons and fairies and apparently dragons live in the Nevernever, do the old dieties have their own pocket of the nevernever? Or do they have their own plane of existance?
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When we play, the Nevernever is EVERYTHING that isn't the mortal world. Even the afterlife is in there somewhere, but it is as far from the mortal world as you can get.
We just finished a romp through Greek mythology, hunting down Hipolyta's Girdle so the Amazons would direct us to the Temple of Orpheus and we could plead with him to ask his father to allow us to travel through Dream and return home. In the meantime, we got lost in the primordial forest and helped Reynard the fox escape the wild hunt whilst simultaneous pissing off Monoc by killing a Gullinbursti which we thought was a Caledonian boar.
Now I have to make Detroit more exciting.
But this is just in our game.
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Yeah, it seems that in the DV 'all myths are true' to the extent that if it's in mythology, it's probably in the NeverNever.
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Unless there's a Law pertaining to it, or it's found in the mortal realm, then it's probably found in the Nevernever.
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In one of the earlier books I know Harry states that heaven, hell, Valhalla, tartarus, olympus can all be found somewhere in the nevernever. It's a common writing mechanic that let's the writer do pretty much whatever they want. This crossed over to GM's in game. If you want something to be in the nevernever, it's there somewhere.
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In theory tulpas exist there also : beings created by pure thought or belief.
Any construct made by thoughts of mortals. If enough people beleive in an entity or fictional character it is likely somewhere in the nevernever. This includes comic book heroes, horror movie monsters, video game characters... and much more.
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As I understand it, if it exists in Myth, it exists in the Nevernever. I think at one point Harry even speculates that Heaven and Hell are out there somewhere.
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Does that mean that Narnia and Neverland are in there somewhere if people believe in them hard enough? Or even the version of Disneyland that kids dream about?
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Does that mean that Narnia and Neverland are in there somewhere if people believe in them hard enough? Or even the version of Disneyland that kids dream about?
I was pretty sure Neverland is where Jim got the name for the Nevernever.
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Could very well be, although it is quite different from the island of pirates, indians, and ticking crocodiles I remember from the movies.
So EVERYTHING fantasy is in the nevernever? Just thinking about that is starting to hurt my brain. All those pocket dimensions...
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Does that mean that Narnia and Neverland are in there somewhere if people believe in them hard enough? Or even the version of Disneyland that kids dream about?
There's an interesting conversation Harry has with Uriel. Harry mentions that Star Wars and Spider-Man aren't real, and Uriel's response is essentially to shrug and say they might be real somewhere.
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There's an interesting conversation Harry has with Uriel. Harry mentions that Star Wars and Spider-Man aren't real, and Uriel's response is essentially to shrug and say they might be real somewhere.
Is this in GS?
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There's an interesting conversation Harry has with Uriel. Harry mentions that Star Wars and Spider-Man aren't real, and Uriel's response is essentially to shrug and say they might be real somewhere.
Spoiler.
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I'd forgotten which book it was from, but still I hardly think that bit of conversation is a such a big plot point that it has to be spoiler tagged, unless you think it's foreshadowing that Harry's going to run into Parker in a later book.
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A man can dream
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There's an interesting conversation Harry has with Uriel. Harry mentions that Star Wars and Spider-Man aren't real, and Uriel's response is essentially to shrug and say they might be real somewhere.
I dare say that this may be going into Slider (the TV show) territory with a dash of comic sci-fi. ;D
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Maybe. So if I wish really REALLY hard enough...well, I suppose that is what dreams are for.
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I'd forgotten which book it was from, but still I hardly think that bit of conversation is a such a big plot point that it has to be spoiler tagged, unless you think it's foreshadowing that Harry's going to run into Parker in a later book.
He does have the Parker luck...Chuck.
Could very well be, although it is quite different from the island of pirates, indians, and ticking crocodiles I remember from the movies.
So EVERYTHING fantasy is in the nevernever? Just thinking about that is starting to hurt my brain. All those pocket dimensions...
Yes. Absolutely.
At the very least theose things could exist in Demenses or within parts of the Nevernever that merge with dreams of critters/people.
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Quote from: Chrono on September 06, 2012, 11:22:28 AM
Could very well be, although it is quite different from the island of pirates, indians, and ticking crocodiles I remember from the movies.
So EVERYTHING fantasy is in the nevernever? Just thinking about that is starting to hurt my brain. All those pocket dimensions...
Yes. Absolutely.
At the very least theose things could exist in Demenses or within parts of the Nevernever that merge with dreams of critters/people.
So, if i understand this logic, the Nevernever is basically a crossroads nexus where each part of it can lead to a different place/dimension. Cool concept. 8)
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So, if i understand this logic, the Nevernever is basically a crossroads nexus where each part of it can lead to a different place/dimension. Cool concept. 8)
Close. It's not so much a nexus of dimensions as it is the single infinite dimension of wierdness that itself includes all of those 'different places' jutting up against each other.
The 'nexus', from a humanocentric view, would probably be Faerie, because that's, usually, the closest place in the Nevernever to a given place in the mortal world, forcing most mortal practitioners to travel to whatever destination in the Nevernever by first stepping into Faerie (again, usually; there are, obviously, places in the mortal world where stepping into the Nevernever would take you to someplace other than Faerie).
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So you have to cross through Faerie to get to everywhere else in most circumstances, but you might get to the home of the greek deities by crossing into the Nevernever from Mount Olympus for example?
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Mount Olympus, maybe any given well-used shrine (to appropriate deities), a few places that resonate well with a particular deity's predilections...
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One thing to consider:
Some places that are found in stories might not actually exist in the nevernever, but are stories retold and refurbished to sound better from actual places in the nevernever. It could be pretty fun to take a "real" mystical place and warp it to a nightmare of nightmares.
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Ooo. I do so love warping things that my party will have to deal with. Just to change things up, I had an ogre warped so that it was immune to physical attacks but vulnerable to mortal magic. It was the party's first time encountering one. The poor spellcaster wasted 3 fate points trying to burn ogre 2, which was not warped.
I would love to twist the jade orchid to some nightmarish horror forest. Then have them visit the river styx, which is like the Small World ride on a river of rose petals.
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Eh, usually things are quite darker than the stories about them. Nice will be nasty and nasty will be a certifiable nightmare.
Then again, the guy carrying the souls of the dead to the afterlife might not have any real enemies, so he might have spread rumors so not everyone would try to get past him to free the dead.
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I'd forgotten which book it was from, but still I hardly think that bit of conversation is a such a big plot point that it has to be spoiler tagged, unless you think it's foreshadowing that Harry's going to run into Parker in a later book.
Well Jim Butcher did write the Spider-Man: The Darkest Hours novel. So maybe Pete will show up sooner rather than later.