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Title: White court feedings
Post by: deathwombat on January 02, 2011, 04:56:17 AM
For the Whampires that feed on despair,some nursing homes and other similar  institutions would be well stocked buffets.
Thoughts?
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Mal_Luck on January 02, 2011, 08:23:50 AM
I think you are thinking too small.  ;)

Yes retirement homes are probably goods, hospitals of any sort, prisons.

Probably the most despicable one I can think of is schools. Despair Eaters posing as students or faculty and pushing people to suicide.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Drashna on January 02, 2011, 08:41:56 AM
The books mention jails at one point. But dood, that school janitor is totally going to get you. Lead by the Principal, naturally. :)
But malls would be a good place too. And Starbucks. :)
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: deathwombat on January 02, 2011, 09:38:14 AM
Starbucks I can see but malls?
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: deathwombat on January 02, 2011, 09:42:03 AM
Nursing homes are filled with people waiting to die basically
Schools?? Like  high school drama despair would be anything but empty calories.
Prisons maybe. Death row for sure.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Doc Chaos on January 02, 2011, 09:49:58 AM
Starbucks I can see but malls?


Despair in the face of all the shiny things you will never be able to afford, maybe?
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Mal_Luck on January 02, 2011, 09:59:28 AM
Schools?? Like  high school drama despair would be anything but empty calories.

Think of it this way, most people don't tend to find despair until they are older. Young people feeling despair might be like veal to them. Plus it explains the often pointless teenage/early 20s suicides.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: bibliophile20 on January 02, 2011, 04:21:15 PM
Schools, yes, but as the insanely hard math teachers who like to see the students fail.  Or, in this day and age of high stakes testing, how's this for an occasional buffet instead of a constant meal: the standardized test proctors.  200-300 students, all crammed into a large space, all sweating on how they don't know this. 
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Praeceps on January 02, 2011, 05:46:53 PM
Think of it this way, most people don't tend to find despair until they are older. Young people feeling despair might be like veal to them. Plus it explains the often pointless teenage/early 20s suicides.
That is blatantly false, many young people feel despair and the young are more susceptible to depression.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: danthehut on January 02, 2011, 05:54:20 PM
In my game, set in philadelphia, we are using the downtown sports complex as a despair whampire feeding area.

People's despair from their losing teams... Philles, Eagles, Sixers, Flyers, etc.

I know I was feeling depair last year when the Phils lost the NLCS at home. Could almost see the white court vampires in their luxury box soaking it all in.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Drashna on January 02, 2011, 06:42:57 PM
The reason schools are a good place, is because they are a place to start.  Yes, they wouldn't necessarily be an all you can eat buffet, but they'd be close.  Teenagers are much more emotionally fragile, think that every minor thing is the "End Of Their World" and react accordingly. A handful of whampires would find great feeding there, and more importantly, be able to set patterns of behavior in many kids before they fully cement their behavior.  They'd be creating new generations of prey more susceptible to influence.

Malls are typically filled with those same kids, and generally filled with their share of mall-rats (who would be good meals).  And it depends on the mall.  The one close to me, is highly teen-centric.  And you should see the looks of disgust that a lot of the adults have.  A good feeding place for lust too. 

Sports complex would definitely be a good place, which reminds me: Bars.  Why do a lot of people go to them?  Because they're desperate/lonely/insert negative emotion here. :)

Not to mention, any big office building would probably be a cesspool of despair and hopelessness. It's not called the "Daily Grind" for nothing. :)
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Mal_Luck on January 02, 2011, 09:13:19 PM
That is blatantly false, many young people feel despair and the young are more susceptible to depression.
I am of course talking in game terms and plot ides, not in real life. I know kids can feel depression in real life.

Though I could have worded it better. My example was treating kids like veal, because they feel the emotions more so than an older person.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: easl on January 03, 2011, 12:04:59 AM
Sports complex would definitely be a good place, which reminds me: Bars.  Why do a lot of people go to them?  Because they're desperate/lonely/insert negative emotion here. :)

Not to mention, any big office building would probably be a cesspool of despair and hopelessness. It's not called the "Daily Grind" for nothing. :)

I'm surprised no one has mentioned casinos, horse tracks, sports betting areas, etc...  If your game is set in Philadelphia, I might be tempted to locate the center of local despair whampire power in Atlantic City, its pretty close.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Wolfwood2 on January 03, 2011, 08:53:49 PM
I see all this talk about finding good places to feed, but actually why should White Court vampires bother?

You want to feed off despair?  Find a random human, slap a hand on his shoulder, and he'll feel all the despair you could ever want.  Or lust, or greed, or whatever your Incite Emotion is.  With Incite Emotion, all a White Court needs is a steady supply of humans.  If he wants to be discrete, ideally he wants circumstances where there's some excuse for them feeling the emotion (so nobody thinks it's too weird).  But an excuse will suffice.

You needn't go out of your way to find a nursing home where humans already despair.  Instead a WC can go to any old nursing home at all, and soon enough there will be plenty of despair.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Richard_Chilton on January 03, 2011, 09:45:30 PM
I'm thinking that honest emotions 'tastes' better than invoked ones.  No real game effects but something that the characters react to.

It's like drinking a fine single malt verses drinking Colt 45.  Have enough of either and you'll be drunk (same effect) but the getting there is completely different journey.

I'm basing this off Thomas and his salon.  Mechanically he was feeding his hunger but from a RP perspective he was going on bread and water while surrounded by a great feast that was his for the taking.

Richard
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Wolfwood2 on January 03, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
I'm thinking that honest emotions 'tastes' better than invoked ones.  No real game effects but something that the characters react to.

I'm basing this off Thomas and his salon.  Mechanically he was feeding his hunger but from a RP perspective he was going on bread and water while surrounded by a great feast that was his for the taking.

But arguably doesn't Thomas suggest the exact opposite?  He felt like he was on bread and water because he restricted himself to taking only the honest, already-there emotions of his clients.  If he had been willing to use his powers to drive them into a frenzy of lust, he could have fed all he wanted.

Also, I'd suggest that's why White Court vampires are as dangerous and destructive as blood-drinking vampires.  If all they did was wander around feeding of existant emotions, they wouldn't be as big a deal.  But a lust vampire goes in and uses his powers to excite people into a frenzy of lust they neither want nor can control.  A despair vampire can turn a mentally healthy individual into a depressive on the verge of suicide.  Can and does regularly, as part of his feeding, because it's more satisfying.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Richard_Chilton on January 03, 2011, 10:05:39 PM
But arguably doesn't Thomas suggest the exact opposite?  He felt like he was on bread and water because he restricted himself to taking only the honest, already-there emotions of his clients.  If he had been willing to use his powers to drive them into a frenzy of lust, he could have fed all he wanted.

Sorry, I should have been clearer.

I'm using Thomas as an example of how emotions can have different tastes, but it's not a true comparison because Thomas was only tasting the shadow of lust.

Now that I think of it, it's really a bad example to use sense it really just shows that a WCV can survive on something that's close to what the WCV needs.

But I still feel that there is a huge difference between invoked emotions and honest ones.  It might just be the difference between a hooker who can act and an enthusiastic one night stand.

Also, I'd suggest that's why White Court vampires are as dangerous and destructive as blood-drinking vampires.  If all they did was wander around feeding of existant emotions, they wouldn't be as big a deal.  But a lust vampire goes in and uses his powers to excite people into a frenzy of lust they neither want nor can control.  A despair vampire can turn a mentally healthy individual into a depressive on the verge of suicide.  Can and does regularly, as part of his feeding, because it's more satisfying.

We differ here.  I think that if there's at least a base of that emotion to build on the WCV will get more satisfaction.  That the truer the emotion the better the taste.

Richard
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Sitrein on January 04, 2011, 01:16:59 PM
Buffet they may be but a cheap one that will leave you sick and wishing you hadn't touched that damn fish. Yeah, I lost my metaphor somewhere.

Only problem I see is that, from the sounds of it, Skavis wouldn't care for heard feeding like Malvora or Raith would. Despair seems like it would be much more intimate in a 1 on 1 sense. I mean, sure, there's always group suicides but those are rarely motivated by just despair and organizing one would seem to be more trouble than it's worth. I mean, if I were a Skavis I would probably just single someone out, be it an aging, well-to-do house wife who's kids don't need her anymore and who's husband is probably having an affair with his "Younger than me" secretary. Maybe one of the sods from my local comic book store. 20-30 and some older than that yet still living off their parents without decent jobs or girlfriends (or boyfriends for that matter. It is, after all, the 21st century) or anything too look forward to in life, other than their next superhero comic escape. Perhaps one of them would like to try flying. They have nothing to live for if it doesn't work but their only real chance for escape would be if it did. The despair right before they hit the ground would HAVE to be dizzyingly sweet.

Then again, perhaps I'm thinking too small. The older Skavis would probably take MUCH more pleasure out of destroying something beautiful. Finding something close to true happiness but not quite there yet. Someone very close to it and then destroying them. Breaking them apart slowly. Something like the Book of Job. Taking everything away from them, maybe even inciting despair in just the right ways to cause them to tear apart their own lives so that in the end, before I have them finish it, they can know that they had everything in the world before them and they destroyed it all. They have no one to blame but themselves. And then I take the last of them.

At least that's how I imagine a Skavis would like it. Much more personal. Hell, even the other houses seem to prefer 1 on 1 feeding than herd feeding. They still do the herd feeding but usually only as a means to another end.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Wolfwood2 on January 04, 2011, 02:52:01 PM
I guess it also depends on how central producing tasty emotions is to a particular vampire's life.  All that stuff about carefully selecting the right target and carefully destroying them sounds awfully time-consuming.  Time spent doing that is time that can't be spend running businesses, watching football, getting drunk, betting on horses, reading comics, and any other thing that the vampire might find enjoyable in life.

Sure a particular White Court might act that way (selecting particular targets), but I don't think it should be taken as default behavior anymore than Red or Black Court spend all their time trying to find a particular person's blood to drink.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Blackblade on January 04, 2011, 07:00:40 PM
I've got a feeling that the Skaavis would have liked life in the Eastern Bloc. 
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: devonapple on January 04, 2011, 07:08:06 PM
Is any of this feeding preference already covered in the "Our World" description of the White Court?
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Paynesgrey on January 04, 2011, 07:27:47 PM
Rehab facilities, halfway houses, methodone clinics, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, strip clubs, psych wards, VA hospitals, or any other hospital for that matter. 
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Lawgiver on January 04, 2011, 10:06:30 PM
I've set my game where I live (Austin Texas) and our A.S.H (Austin State Hospital) is where people with serious mental problems get cached. People having nervous breakdowns, Down Syndrome cases with major violent tendencies, homeless vets havign frequent PTSD outbursts, people threatening/attempted suicide... basically anyone with mental issues short or long term. They generally get committed by a Judge and don't get out until someone (like said Judge) says so. Not a pretty place at all. A veritable smorgasbord for any White Court Vamp (or any vampire for that matter... after all, they're not running far).
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Paynesgrey on January 04, 2011, 10:41:46 PM
What better job for one than as an orderly or other staff member, or even as a shrink.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: jadecourtflunky on January 04, 2011, 10:46:53 PM
I've got a feeling that the Skaavis would have liked life in the Eastern Bloc. 
I've got a feeling that they did. And in the black plague. And in every major disaster known to man. These are immortal vampires man.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Paynesgrey on January 04, 2011, 11:49:32 PM
Things like the Plague would be a feast, but to the smart ones at least it's more like "The power's gone out and everything in the freezer will spoil if we don't eat it now... but later we might be getting pretty hungry."  Controlled, measured, institutionalized misery and despair would be what the smart ones shoot for.  Societies where they don't even need to rely on maskirovka because the socioeconomic conditions and even the government itself provide them with a 'target rich environment' while also ensuring that suicide, disappearances or just plain old low life expectancy numbers give there more camouflage. 

You can pretty much go around the world and all through history if you're looking for places to root this or that member of the Misery Nomming White Court.  The KGB and it's ancestors like the NKVD and Cheka would have provided a fine table, and if one doesn't mind the cold, a dacha from which they lived as overseer to a gulag would have been country dining house.  During the age of european colonialism, Africa, Asia, the subcontinent would have been another prime feeding ground, moreso anywhere there was an active slave trade.  Ireland under the rule of the English, England under the rule of the Normans, etc.  Feudal Japan and China.  Any place where the commoners had little or no recourse to having their food taken or their family members disappeared to "serve" in local lord's household.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: danthehut on January 05, 2011, 02:12:13 AM
I still think large scale sporting events would be a great location for scale. While the emotion may not be as intimate or 1 on 1, the sheer scale of 46,000 people sharing in the defeat of a team (especially on large scale evens like world series, playoffs, super bowls, etc) would be a magnitude that would provide a decent feeding.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Paynesgrey on January 05, 2011, 02:46:51 AM
Possibly, but it would depend upon if they can feed off of multiple targets, or have to concentrate on one.  Given their malicious nature though, I think it for them it would be like licking the seasoning off of every item at the buffet, with a nibble here and there... compared to sitting down to a steak dinner and finishing it off.  With both Red and White courts, "just enough" isn't enough, there seems to be a psychological need to actually kill, to feed off of one victim until they die.  We've seen it with Bianca and the Reds who didn't bother taking just enough blood to meet their needs unless they had some other use for the cattle, we've seen it with Lara's crew as well.  Maybe the kill gives them a bigger juice, maybe they just get off on it, but I think they'll generally prefer to ride their victims all the way down when they can.
Title: Re: White court feedings
Post by: Sitrein on January 05, 2011, 08:43:38 AM
Possibly, but it would depend upon if they can feed off of multiple targets, or have to concentrate on one.  Given their malicious nature though, I think it for them it would be like licking the seasoning off of every item at the buffet, with a nibble here and there... compared to sitting down to a steak dinner and finishing it off.  With both Red and White courts, "just enough" isn't enough, there seems to be a psychological need to actually kill, to feed off of one victim until they die.  We've seen it with Bianca and the Reds who didn't bother taking just enough blood to meet their needs unless they had some other use for the cattle, we've seen it with Lara's crew as well.  Maybe the kill gives them a bigger juice, maybe they just get off on it, but I think they'll generally prefer to ride their victims all the way down when they can.

The kill does give bigger juice according to the novels. The whole "Drinking Deeply" thing. I mean, sure, no one's going to say that Skavis aren't going to like hanging around these places, they'd likely be very tasty, but while sating yourself or even filling up on hors d'oeuvres might be nice once in a while, I don't think anyone would want to live like that.
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