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The Dresden Files => DFRPG => Topic started by: Mindflayer94 on July 07, 2010, 12:19:02 AM

Title: The Future of the Line
Post by: Mindflayer94 on July 07, 2010, 12:19:02 AM: I was wondering if when later books are released, will we get new splatbooks to reflect the added changes to the series?
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Deadmanwalking on July 07, 2010, 12:23:35 AM: Web supplements are likely, but not anything beyond that. Probably, anyhow.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Nyarlathotep5150 on July 07, 2010, 12:34:17 AM: Yeah. They seem to have decided to only release the 2 corebooks for it. I hope they change their minds though.

While I think the Books are incredibly well done, and you could probably build anything with it, I would like to see the occasional supplement.
Not necessarily a running line like D&D or WoD (that would be too much), but maybe just one or two a year.
Among things I'd like to see are...
A GM Screen
A White Council book (or just a book of Wizardry)
A Denarian Book
A Vampire book (could probably do all 3 courts as one book, but I'd pay for 3 smaller books if it came to that)
And eventually

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A Black Council book (assuming they exist)

I'm sure I could think of more ways to give them my money, but that's just off the top of my head.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: TheMouse on July 07, 2010, 01:27:56 AM: I'm actually sort of glad that Evil Hat doesn't subscribe to the supplement treadmill theory of game design. I'm not saying that I don't want any future material for the DFRPG, but I'm totally fine waiting a while before we see more.

Basically, I don't want to see splat books. I don't want a wizard book, and a vampire book, and a Denarian book. That's very old World of Darkness, and that's played out.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Tbora on July 07, 2010, 01:43:48 AM: I'd like see a book that expands on summoning,binding,conjuring, and pets in general as the current set up doesn't handle them very well (So few games do) and perhaps a guidebook to the Nevernever to reference
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Tush Hog on July 07, 2010, 02:12:26 AM: I would love to see a grimoire of every spell and item from the books along with new example spells. I suppose this could be handled as a web enhancement, though.

A GM screen would be great.

Oh, and Dresden themed fudge dice and fate chips :)
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Nyarlathotep5150 on July 07, 2010, 02:18:00 AM: Quote from: Tush Hog on July 07, 2010, 02:12:26 AM
Oh, and Dresden themed fudge dice and fate chips :)

Black Chips with silver pentacles, sized to fit on the character sheet would be awesome!
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: JustinS on July 07, 2010, 02:58:14 AM: I think it is rather clear that Evil Hat is not interested in trying to add things to the Dresden Universe, which most of the supplements would describe. If Jim wanted to write more, I'm sure they would be happy to publish it, but there is a reason they do a lot of 'as far as we have seen so far' and not 'this is what it is' for the in game stats and such.

As they do other fate games, there are more things to draw from. I know I've pulled out my copy of spirit of the century for some discussed game ideas (minions = constructs and such)
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Mindflayer94 on July 07, 2010, 04:35:31 AM: Quote from: TheMouse on July 07, 2010, 01:27:56 AM
I'm actually sort of glad that Evil Hat doesn't subscribe to the supplement treadmill theory of game design. I'm not saying that I don't want any future material for the DFRPG, but I'm totally fine waiting a while before we see more.

That's exactly what I mean. I'm wondering if in 6-7 years will we get an update to the rules. (I ask because it seems like we're bout to get a lot of info in Ghost Story)
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: EldritchFire on July 07, 2010, 11:50:22 AM: Quote from: Nyarlathotep5150 on July 07, 2010, 02:18:00 AM
Black Chips with silver pentacles, sized to fit on the character sheet would be awesome!

Just like the "Current Fate Points" area on the character sheet, hey? That would be sahweet!

-EF
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Nyarlathotep5150 on July 07, 2010, 02:57:49 PM: Quote from: EldritchFire on July 07, 2010, 11:50:22 AM
Just like the "Current Fate Points" area on the character sheet, hey? That would be sahweet!

-EF

Yeah. Sized just to fit on that spot, it would be awesome.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Da_Gut on July 07, 2010, 03:39:05 PM: I LIKE splat books - especially fluffy ones, with discussions of the mechanics behind the game. I would LOVE to see a yearly splat book.

Also magic - I could use more spell examples. I haven't grokked that yet.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Nomad on July 07, 2010, 05:16:55 PM: On top of the current 2 books, I would like to see some side products (DM screen, Dice, Chips and odds and ends)
I would also like updates (Pdf?) after each book and maybe a paperback after enough material has accumulated.

I don't think we need DnD style army of books but some decently constructed and intresting errata/expanded Dresdenverse would be very nice as time goes on.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: luminos on July 07, 2010, 05:28:32 PM: Now that we have the core system, there is no reason why the fans themselves can't make whatever updates are needed to go with the new books. Its not like Evil Hat will actually be changing anything.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Saedar on July 07, 2010, 06:26:16 PM: Quote from: luminos on July 07, 2010, 05:28:32 PM
Now that we have the core system, there is no reason why the fans themselves can't make whatever updates are needed to go with the new books. Its not like Evil Hat will actually be changing anything.

No, but systems do get revised and improved upon. This could probably be handled through web-articles or somesuch but I can see why people would want "official" support for their games.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Simon Hogwood on July 08, 2010, 04:51:57 AM: Personally, I'm thinking an "Our World: Part II" book wouldn't be out of the question a few years down the line.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: gaelvin on July 08, 2010, 05:26:27 AM: Quote from: Simon Hogwood on July 08, 2010, 04:51:57 AM
Personally, I'm thinking an "Our World: Part II" book wouldn't be out of the question a few years down the line.

Now that would be pretty cool, and just about all that I'd need. If anything in the later books didn't fit in with what was laid out in "Your Story", "Our World: Part II" could also present new supernatural powers and/or new trappings to existing powers.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Darkling on July 08, 2010, 07:11:05 AM: Quote from: Tush Hog on July 07, 2010, 02:12:26 AM
I would love to see a grimoire of every spell and item from the books

Ooh, I think I want that too.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: mime64 on July 14, 2010, 04:58:58 PM: I want maps. I thought we would be getting maps with Nevermore or Our World but I am disappointed.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: CleverName on July 14, 2010, 07:17:11 PM: If DFRPG makes good money, there will be more. I plan on selling as many copies to my friends as possible.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: TheMouse on July 14, 2010, 08:05:49 PM: Quote from: mime64 on July 14, 2010, 04:58:58 PM
I want maps. I thought we would be getting maps with Nevermore or Our World but I am disappointed.

I'm assuming you mean the Nevernever when you say that.

My impression is that the Nevernever would be really difficult to map. A lot of things don't seem to be in any particular direction from anything other places.

Look at Arctis Tor. It's at the center of Winter. I don't think that means that if you drew a big map of the terrain held by Winter, you could draw lines that crossed at the center, and there'd be Arctis Tor. Instead, it seems to be a metaphor. It's a little difficult to draw out metaphors in a way that would go over well as a map.

Even worse, if you could map out the Nevernever in a way that was useful as a map, it wouldn't correspond to Earth in any way. You couldn't pop over there, walk a mile, and then pop back here and be able to guess at all where you might show up.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Kordeth on July 14, 2010, 08:11:43 PM: Quote from: TheMouse on July 14, 2010, 08:05:49 PM
I'm assuming you mean the Nevernever when you say that.

Pretty sure he meant Nevermore, the sample setting of Baltimore in the back of Your Story.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: TheMouse on July 14, 2010, 09:19:22 PM: Quote from: Kordeth on July 14, 2010, 08:11:43 PM
Pretty sure he meant Nevermore, the sample setting of Baltimore in the back of Your Story.

*slaps forehead*

You ever have one of those days? I'm having one of those weeks.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: theDwarf on July 14, 2010, 10:31:11 PM: Well, if they are not planning to publish more books then "the future of the line" would be entirely in the hands of the fans.

So far I have not been able to locate a Dresden Files FRPG web ring, which would be the next logical step IMHO.

:)
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Remy Sinclair on July 15, 2010, 02:44:59 AM: Quote from: theDwarf on July 14, 2010, 10:31:11 PM
Well, if they are not planning to publish more books then "the future of the line" would be entirely in the hands of the fans.

So far I have not been able to locate a Dresden Files FRPG web ring, which would be the next logical step IMHO.

:)

I suck at webdesign or I would make a page on my game for that.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Sh33p on July 15, 2010, 09:32:07 AM: Would be pretty bitchin' if there was an expanded settings and/or campaign book. I'm a semi-newbie looking to GM, a little bit lazy, and pretty overworked. Would be nice to see how the pros plan things out with this system.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: theDwarf on July 15, 2010, 04:04:30 PM: Quote from: Sh33p on July 15, 2010, 09:32:07 AM
Would be pretty bitchin' if there was an expanded settings and/or campaign book. I'm a semi-newbie looking to GM, a little bit lazy, and pretty overworked. Would be nice to see how the pros plan things out with this system.

What you mention above is EXACTLY what fan sites can handle. As long as they post appropriate copyright and don't copy text from the books they are generally OK. Having posts here about cities and settings are nice and all, but websites can gather things together, have multiple pages people can link between, and so forth. If I had time I would consider doing it, but alas I am booked for the nonce. :(
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: finarvyn on July 18, 2010, 02:20:18 PM: Some good ideas here. I certainly would love a GM Screen, FATE dice, and Chips (all customized to the Dresdenverse).

I agree that an "Our World, Volume II" would be neat, but seriously we wouldn't want something like this for several years. I mean, each of Jim's novels will have some new material but the core rulebook covers roughly a dozen books and you wouldn't want too many little 1-2 book addon volumes. (Unless they were short PDF updates.)
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: finnmckool on July 18, 2010, 02:43:45 PM: I don't see much of a need for a GM screen...heck they sort of send one with the books. it's a bookmark. the system is fairly elegant and streamlined. There are two pages in the back of the book that pretty much are a GM screen, as it has I think, every single table in the entire game.

really i concur that just some web supplements are all that's needed with this particular system. I mean what's left to say about vampires that's not been said or isn't in the books themselves? what more rules do you need for them? And the magic system is so brilliantly open ended that idea is that there really aren't any "spells" mechanics wise, as everything is personal to the caster, so any spells in the book are just applications of the rules for you to build off of, and really...why pay for that? you get more dynamic help here, and it's free.

the only thing i can think of is as new monsters appear, or someone does something in the books that the rules don't cover (or can be covered but only after a really awkward and byzantine application).

A Never Never guide would be good too, especially with a "map" (which isn't so much about spatial relationships, as relative visual comparisons of the courts, and other known demesnes). bundle with it an abstract of the Accords.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Remy Sinclair on July 20, 2010, 04:33:36 PM: Quote from: finarvyn on July 18, 2010, 02:20:18 PM
Some good ideas here. I certainly would love a GM Screen, FATE dice, and Chips (all customized to the Dresdenverse).

I agree that an "Our World, Volume II" would be neat, but seriously we wouldn't want something like this for several years. I mean, each of Jim's novels will have some new material but the core rulebook covers roughly a dozen books and you wouldn't want too many little 1-2 book addon volumes. (Unless they were short PDF updates.)

Disagree, Jim Butcher has many locations other than Chicago that are in his short stories that take place in the Dresdenverse that were not mentioned in Our World that deserve to be expanded. Same with many of the creatures and villains that were not mentioned in the first two RPG books.

Also the RPG only covers up to Small Favor events, creatures, and location, The Post Small Favor Books (Turncoat, Changes as well as the upcoming Ghost Story) and short stories were not covered. These is enough for an update book here.
Title: Re: The Future of the Line
Post by: Doc Nova on July 22, 2010, 02:09:53 AM: I've actually whipped up a GM screen by turning the two pages of portrait-oriented tables in the back of Book I into landscape-oriented layout for use with a tri-fold, landscape-oriented screen that has clear plastic for paper inserts. I think I got it from Pinnacle for Savage Worlds...I think. Anyway, it wasn't that hard. Just a bit of time on Illustrator and voila.

As for Dresden-esque Fate points and FUDGE dice, yeah, I am totally behind that.

Beyond those, though, as far as supplemental books go...I am torn. Sure, I'd love to fill a bookshelf (or an entire bookcase) with nothing but Dresden-related titles, both novel and game...but there is a point of market saturation. Granted, with two books we're nowhere near the over-saturation point, but there is a balance. Plus, as has been stated, so many of the various things mentioned are completely within the realm of fan-stating simply with the rules as presented. Give it another two months and I am sure we'll see several enterprising fan-driven websites pop up with an abundance of material.