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Title: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Bludrose on June 06, 2010, 08:25:52 PM
Okay - not to sound too serial killerish - how do you remove someone's arms, legs, eyes and jaws without killing them? I've probably been flagged by numerous FBI and government agencies through my searches on the web and coming up with bupkiss.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Starbeam on June 06, 2010, 08:33:02 PM
Painkillers to keep them docile and not have their heart go into shock, surgical removal, then cauterize the wounds.  And likely not all at the same time.  My b/f's read a lot about serial killers and watches a lot of forensics shows.  I would think some kind of medical knowledge would be necessary to know the best ways to cut/cauterize, and what drugs would be best to use.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Aakaakaak on June 06, 2010, 09:52:06 PM
Gross stuff under the black.

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Yes, to do all this some medical knowledge would be required.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: BobForPresident on June 06, 2010, 10:08:33 PM
I strongly suggest you pick up a book called: Trauma - A Writer's Guide to Injuries. It gives you realistic answers to what happens when stuff like what you're discussing goes down.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Cajun Guy on June 06, 2010, 10:13:26 PM
Just standard surgery. I work at a VA hospital and we are whacking things off all the time.  If we are dealing with magic, I supposed you could give them some supernatural form of gangrene. If that were the case things could drop off without surgery or risking shock, it would just take a while and smell really nasty. That's a smell you never forget, let me tell you.

 I can't think of a way a non-medically trained person could do something like that without magic. You might get away with fingers and toes and maybe a hand or foot, but chances are the victim would die of shock pretty early on.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Vash the white on June 06, 2010, 10:51:29 PM
Gross stuff under the black.

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Yes, to do all this some medical knowledge would be required.
I think i may have just lost my lunch
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Bludrose on June 07, 2010, 12:19:10 AM
Thank you all - very good resources. My character will have medical knowledge to make it more believable. I do asure everyone that I will use this knowledge for good only....


MUAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA... oops  :D
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Aakaakaak on June 07, 2010, 03:16:57 AM
I think i may have just lost my lunch

Sorries. I did give warning.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Vash the white on June 07, 2010, 05:16:19 AM
What ever, just because i lost my lunch doesnt mean i didnt enjoy it deep down for the knowldege. MWhahahahaha...just kiddding
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Enjorous on June 07, 2010, 05:22:52 AM
I don't think sedation is needed considering all I've read about civil war surgeries rarely if ever involved something more than a shot of whiskey. You'd definitely need to have the "patient" strapped down if you opt out of drugs.

my $2 (adjusted for inflation)
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Vash the white on June 07, 2010, 05:32:53 AM
Enj,.. while this is true, sometimes i do worry,
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: svb1972 on June 07, 2010, 04:18:37 PM
And the mortality from Shock of Civil War Surgery was /crazy/ high.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: meg_evonne on June 07, 2010, 04:26:55 PM
I'd go with aakaakaak  with an  aaaaakkkkkk gag.  LOL 

Except for the eyes.  Melon baller much more efficient.  One with a serrated edge.  You could also research 'drawn and quartered'.  Since (Wallace from Scotland - ie BraveHeart was famously drawn and quartered with the parts spread across the UK) they usually began with a man's privates, I'd think they would have bled out, but those guys have such a sense of humor that I'm sure they kept the entertainment value going as long as possible before actually losing the victim... 

Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Aakaakaak on June 07, 2010, 05:02:06 PM
Ooooh, melon baller! I like it! If you do it right you don't even have to snip the stalk!
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: shades of grey on June 07, 2010, 05:51:11 PM
and i still cant believe after the blacked out stuff i carried on reading

sometimes i truly scare myself
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Thaumologist on June 07, 2010, 07:00:31 PM
lightsaber.

Or failing that, something hot and sharp. You need to ensure the "patient" is heavily sedated, as too much stimulation of any nerve is going to cause shock.

If you have a while, just go inch by inch. That way the blood loss at one point should be controllable, and the nerves would become desensitised, so sloppy work could be more forgiven.

But still, cauterise EVERYTHING
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Aakaakaak on June 07, 2010, 07:34:14 PM
Thinking about this a bit more....

I remember that liposuction is limited to a maximum of 10% body mass at a session. Anything more threatens shock and can cause death. The legs probably would have to be done piece by piece.

On the more grotesque end of things:
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Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: svb1972 on June 07, 2010, 08:25:59 PM
Aak3
You are most disturbing.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Sihaya on June 07, 2010, 08:53:59 PM
Aak, have you tried some more antique treatises on surgery?  I think you're starting to get into a grotesque version of something that an anatomist might have done in days of yore, like putting a window into an animal's stomach or periodically surveying an internal wound heal through an incision.  For all I know, somebody really tried to see what happened to a (possibly four legged) body when a femoral artery or vein was isolated.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: meg_evonne on June 07, 2010, 09:57:21 PM
Aak, have you tried some more antique treatises on surgery?  I think you're starting to get into a grotesque version of something that an anatomist might have done in days of yore, like putting a window into an animal's stomach or periodically surveying an internal wound heal through an incision.  For all I know, somebody really tried to see what happened to a (possibly four legged) body when a femoral artery or vein was isolated.
antique???  We have several cows that are out on pasture perfectly content to eat away their lives with the window, hand scoop for samples of the various stomachs.  Quite modern and up to date!  he he

And aak3, I agree.  I'm never going to search through your garbage with the FBI!  Yuck!  The melon baller also leaves the eyeball in tact... so much more fun to taunt the other eye that is still working.  Now I'm getting myself grossed out.  I'm sure I stole that idea from Ludlum or someone!  Maybe it was a Mission Impossible so they could use it for retina scan?  It's not original.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Aakaakaak on June 08, 2010, 12:11:48 AM
I believe it was a Saw movie. The one where they took the eye out when they were unconscious, stuck a key behind the eyeball and stuck the eye back in. When they woke up they had some bear trap contraption around their neck with a lock, a timer, instructions and a melon baller.

NOTE: Don't worry all. I just have a vivid imagination. No furbies were harmed in the making of these ideas. No kittens were killed either.

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Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Nickeris86 on July 10, 2010, 02:49:33 PM
there is a movie that goes into great detail on how i guy dismembers they guy that killed his family its rather brilliant. the movie is called A Law Abiding Citizen staring Jamie Foxx and Gerard Butler. its a very interesting movie.
 
First he entraps the guy by paralyzing him with puffer fish venom that holds him still while keeping able to feel.

Ties him to a table and puts tourniquets on his limbs so he won't bleed to death.

Pumps him with a huge amount of drugs like adrenaline to keep him awake and alert and so his body doesn't go into shock.

Then he slowly and calmly explains to the guy what he is going to do to him and with which tools.

Gerard Butler can be down right scary when he wants to be.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Biffy Pyro on July 10, 2010, 11:53:49 PM
Gross stuff under the black.

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Yes, to do all this some medical knowledge would be required.

epidural or spinal block yeah, and you would need a LOT of arterial clamps, and probably the most gruesome way to do it would be to cauterise the wound to stop them throwing fatty embolisms
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Snowleopard on July 11, 2010, 08:01:49 AM
Along with heavy sedation, you could try lowering the person's body temp.  Slows the bleeding, slows the heart and tends to keep them sleepy and docile.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Nickeris86 on July 11, 2010, 07:33:21 PM
Along with heavy sedation, you could try lowering the person's body temp.  Slows the bleeding, slows the heart and tends to keep them sleepy and docile.

why would you sedate them then they wouldn't be in as much pain. kind of defeats the reason of dismebering them while they are still alive.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Snowleopard on July 12, 2010, 07:08:51 AM
As someone pointed out earlier if you don't sedate them they will go into shock and die fairly quickly.  So if keeping them alive is the game then sedatives are called for.  Besides, if the person knew that such damage had been done to them - the threat of the sedatives wearing off would be a really nasty form of torture.  (Brrrr, I just creeped myself out by thinking of that!  Gack!)
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Aakaakaak on July 12, 2010, 06:27:10 PM
epidural or spinal block yeah, and you would need a LOT of arterial clamps, and probably the most gruesome way to do it would be to cauterise the wound to stop them throwing fatty embolisms

alright so...

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Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: shades of grey on July 12, 2010, 08:23:01 PM
This thread is possibly one post away from being evidence in a court of law.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Aakaakaak on July 12, 2010, 09:44:22 PM
...or a really good thriller....maybe both...
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Biffy Pyro on July 13, 2010, 11:21:28 AM
alright so...

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sounds positively delectable! *makes hannibal noise*
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Aakaakaak on July 13, 2010, 03:44:41 PM
<.<

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I guess if I ever want to get into the whole Killer/Thriller type books I know I can write the good/bad/dirty stuff.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: shades of grey on July 13, 2010, 07:48:17 PM
I can see it on the shelves now:

Thread of death!
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Aakaakaak on July 14, 2010, 01:47:28 PM
I can see it on the shelves now:

Thread of death!

Oh, that's a thought....
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Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Jaeh on July 14, 2010, 04:28:52 PM
Interesting thread.

Is it horrible that I feel a little frustrated right now that I can't dismember any human beings in what I'm writing because the setting isn't right? we, in this country, unfortunately, don't have any serial killers. as far as my googling knowledge and my news knowledge goes.

that said, do you guys think I should invest in reading tabloids with gruesome deaths just to see if I could spot any pattern/inspiration, and take it from there?
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Aakaakaak on July 14, 2010, 04:32:11 PM
You can get your inspiration from anywhere it comes from. There is no "right place". If you're writing a horror type book I'd suggest watching movies.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Jaeh on July 14, 2010, 04:42:37 PM
well, yeah. I get that. but I'm more concerned with the setting than the inspiration - I don't phrase statements and questions right. Erm, yeah, the setting. I should look into the setting by reading gruesome stuff on the tabloids, I guess. I need to know what's happening in the wee gross criminal underworld of this country.

as for what I'd love to write, I was thinking of the whole serial killer type thing, so I'll probably look into books. and tv shows. movies are good too, but i'll see, thanks for the tip on horror, btw. I may do a little horror short story on the side.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: shades of grey on July 14, 2010, 10:00:50 PM
Interesting thread.

Is it horrible that I feel a little frustrated right now that I can't dismember any human beings in what I'm writing because the setting isn't right? we, in this country, unfortunately, don't have any serial killers. as far as my googling knowledge and my news knowledge goes.

that said, do you guys think I should invest in reading tabloids with gruesome deaths just to see if I could spot any pattern/inspiration, and take it from there?

Come stay with me for a while, we have lots to choose from.
Title: Re: Questions not for the feint of heart
Post by: Snowleopard on July 17, 2010, 10:19:42 PM
Come stay with me for a while, we have lots to choose from.

Not exactly something the tourism board would want to hype.