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Title: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on October 23, 2006, 09:56:52 PM
Ok, if I set up an invite-only BB for the authors here to write stories and post for each other, would people be interested?

This is nothing Jim-Official, just us getting together.

Phil Boswell has given us an unintentional challenge:
" How much mileage could you realistically get out of a protagonist who is good at reducing themselves to dripping goo?"

While the board would be open to helping anyone with any story, I was thinking about having writing assignments, to push people...that could be the first one
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Belial on October 24, 2006, 02:18:00 AM
Sounds like it could be fun, now I just had a thought, but since I'm not really very good at the sciences, I thought I'd check it (yes, this does pertain to this by the way).

I know that matter cannot be destroyed, only changed, now, since this goo would be less dense than a human being, the area that he/she covered in goo form would be greater would it not? I'm having ideas of drowning people in goo...
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Kiriath on October 24, 2006, 05:47:27 PM
Twould rock!

Goo? Think Alucard's smoke cloud from Symphony of the Night.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: WonderandAwe on October 24, 2006, 11:42:42 PM
I'd be interested.  A pile of goo?  Hmmm....  Have to think on that one. 
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Danielle/Evie on October 25, 2006, 11:41:52 PM
I've got some ideas rolling around in that mysterious noggin of mine....

goooooo
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on October 27, 2006, 03:30:57 PM
I'm working on setting up a board. Bear with me. It'll probably be about 10 days or so.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: waywardclam on October 27, 2006, 04:02:11 PM
Yayyyyy!  ;D
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: terioncalling on October 27, 2006, 04:09:07 PM
Huzzah!  Yay writing board!

Also...

Phil Boswell has given us an unintentional challenge:
" How much mileage could you realistically get out of a protagonist who is good at reducing themselves to dripping goo?"

...I am reminded of both Alucard from Hellsing and a character I once created for an X-Men RP by the codename of Quicksilver who could - guess what - turn himself into goo (with other varying he could do with that power).  If this is the first writing assignment, I may have to pull that character out of the depths of my brain where he's been buried for about 5 or 6 years and dust the poor dear off.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Lord Arioch on October 27, 2006, 04:15:40 PM
Don't know how active I could be, but sounds like fun.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Tersa on October 29, 2006, 06:18:24 PM
*Happy Dance*   ;D  Even more reason to write!  I'm all up for that, though I'll probably look like a little dork next the experienced writers on the board.   ;)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Corina on October 31, 2006, 12:10:56 AM
How do we start?
Getting valuable opinons on my stories is an exciting thing! You can only force your family to read so much!
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on October 31, 2006, 12:45:15 AM
I have to build the board, first, and I'm in training the next two weeks...I'm going to try to sneak one in.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: blgarver on November 01, 2006, 04:16:45 PM
Three words.

Yes. Yes. 

and, oh yeah...YES.

I'll take one writer's board with a side blunt feedback please.

:)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on November 03, 2006, 04:08:17 PM
It's going slow, guys, sorry. Between training and a nasty bug that's going around, I'm abit on the exhausted side.

But I WILL get this up and running. I just want to do it right, which includes typing up an email everyone who gets a pw will have to agree to before they get that password (stuff like "I will not pilfer other's ideas, I understand that if my idea is pilfered, it's not the board's fault, ect"...stupid semi-legal stuff).
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: pathele on November 03, 2006, 05:22:37 PM
It's all good Mickey Finn.

We would rather you do it right. If there is anything we can do to help out...

-paul
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: terioncalling on November 03, 2006, 10:29:31 PM
Yeah, definetly rather you'd do it right.  And, also yeah, if we can do anything to help you out, fairly sure a bunch of us would be willing to do so however we can.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Danielle/Evie on November 04, 2006, 03:22:22 PM
I'm probably completely useless, but I'm willing to try and help
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: waywardclam on November 04, 2006, 04:47:38 PM
I'll help with whatever can be helped with, too...
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Tersa on November 05, 2006, 01:23:09 AM
Same here.  Don't push yourself too hard and make yourself sicker.  *gives Mickey virtual chicken soup*
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on November 09, 2006, 05:16:28 PM
Ok...two things...taking suggestions for what the board will be known as. Rule #1: No references to specific authors. No "butcher boyz" or such.

Two...this is frustrating. I can't find a free board that's worth anything anymore. Iboard's dead. EZBoard's on crack these days. Bravenet's board sucks.
What I'm looking for is something similiar to this board, with password protection for members to log in to even see anything. The idea is to have two major sections...one to talk about writing, and one for sub-boards for each author member, so they have their own section post stuff where others can comment on it.

Wordpress has been suggested...it's a blog site, so I'm not sure it would work right.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: terioncalling on November 09, 2006, 07:30:57 PM
Uh...no name suggestions right now.  Will come back if I think of anything.  Randomly started looking up Latin phrases for a name and found this one the best out of what I found:

verba volant, scripta manent    "spoken words fly away, written ones remain"

Or maybe not as the title...perhaps as a subscript under the title?



On the board:
a friend of mine hosts two roleplaying message boards (one created by me, one by her) on her website.  You download the stuff from here (http://www.phpbb.com/) then upload it to your website.  I haven't figured out how yet but the instructions may be somewhere on the site...or easy to figure out for someone that knows coding and such better than I do.  Board is very similar to this one with a few minor differences.


One (http://starrgraphics.com/VampireDust/index.php) of the two boards I mentioned 'cause I dunno if they have anything you can look at to get a glimpse on the website.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Aethon on November 09, 2006, 11:53:40 PM
Have you ever tried and IF board?  I've managed about two or three myself, mainly for RPs and whatnot, but they are a lot like this and quite useful.  http://www.invisionfree.com  You can create a section that can be run by specific members and you can create different groups.  Personally, I love them.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on November 10, 2006, 01:57:28 AM
Thank you! That's exactly the type of thing I was looking for.

(Terion, thanks as well. I was trying to avoid setting up the board on my own like that, due to not wanting to screw up while people are posting their work ;) )
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: terioncalling on November 10, 2006, 03:12:55 AM
Thank you! That's exactly the type of thing I was looking for.

(Terion, thanks as well. I was trying to avoid setting up the board on my own like that, due to not wanting to screw up while people are posting their work ;) )

Ah, okay.  Good point on that.  Yay for Aethon pointing out the other board!
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Lord Arioch on November 10, 2006, 05:49:33 PM
I am on a lot of different xsorbit (http://www.xsorbit.com) boards.  you can password the whole thing so only members can see stuff.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: waywardclam on November 11, 2006, 10:32:50 PM
"Writers Bloc"?  ;D
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Aethon on November 12, 2006, 05:03:25 PM
Glad I could help.  IFs always been useful for me.   ;D
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on November 12, 2006, 10:30:09 PM
Wordsmith sounds both apropos & bland.

I'm thinking of calling the board Cogni. (Latin root for Know)

Because Cogniceres might be a little much ;)

Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: terioncalling on November 12, 2006, 10:53:57 PM
Cogni sounds good to me.   :)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Aethon on November 13, 2006, 12:03:34 AM
I like it.  If ya need any help with the skinning or stuff, just ask.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Lady Geektastic on November 15, 2006, 04:33:28 PM
*beam beam beam beam*

I'm all a-tingle. Cogni...hm, I could just feel superior all day belonging to a board like that.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on November 15, 2006, 09:57:23 PM
Right now, I'm waiting for a confirmation from the Invion team that their Terms of Use say that we will not sue them for posting posts (since that what's they're there for), and not that "anything you post belongs to us," which would defeat the point of us using a board.

Strangely, their ticket system seems to be down, so I can't check it right now.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on November 20, 2006, 02:08:14 PM
Ok.
It's been over a week since I put in the support ticket, no response.

Do we want to wait, or does someone want to host the board on their own machine or service?
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: terioncalling on November 21, 2006, 02:51:16 AM
Wasn't there someone that offered to host?  I looked back to try and find it but wasn't able to.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on November 21, 2006, 04:28:08 PM
So that wasn't my imagination.

Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: jtaylor on November 22, 2006, 08:38:25 PM
So why can we make this a child board off this board, similar to the reading group board? Or is that actually hosted elsewhere?
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: waywardclam on November 22, 2006, 09:07:53 PM
I may be able to arrange a private subforum at another existing site, with good terms of service,  if people are willing to migrate.  Should I check into this?
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on November 23, 2006, 02:52:49 PM
I was originally shying away from a child board here, because I don't want this to be misconstrued as "Jim Butcher's writing group," but that's a good point. I'll run it past Iago.

Clam, that's another possibility (although there's no migrating, it's just joining another board ;) )

Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: waywardclam on November 23, 2006, 06:41:38 PM
I'll keep watching then, let me know if it turns out to be the option to go with, and I'll get an official answer for ya...
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on November 23, 2006, 07:59:51 PM
Ok, Iago's out, due to hosting reasons (he thinks it's a great idea, though).

Here's what we're looking for:
Three main sections :1) The Writing tips and assignments board 2) The Author's board, where each author gets a sub-board they can post their materials, & 3) a general discussion area, where people can post random stuff, like we have on this board.
 
All authors retain the rights to everything they write. The boards are pw protected, so only people who write or want to help the writers* are let in. People do not have to read everything everybody writes...it's up to the writer to draw them in. There will be assignments to get the juices flowing, but the assignments are not mandatory. We're here to help, not to cause stress.


*You need not be a participating writer to have a board membership, if you want to help as a beta reader. There are no requirements that need to be met on what you have to read.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: waywardclam on November 23, 2006, 08:14:26 PM
Ooga.  I dunno whether I can do all of this or not.  I'll check, and hopefully have an answer within a day or two.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on November 26, 2006, 01:25:43 PM
Of course, we could also just go ahead with Invision. The lack of response from tech support suggests the likelyhood of them noticing what's actually ON the board to be nil. ;)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: terioncalling on November 27, 2006, 04:42:13 PM
I'd say go forward with Invision if Clam can't find anything.  I would offer up hosting on my own website and ask my friend to teach me how to get that type of board up 'n running but my site appears to be down for the moment.  And I'd ask her but she's already got two or three up on her site and dunno if she'd want more.

Then again, if I tell her my writing will be on it, she just might agree.

Anyway, whatever works.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on November 27, 2006, 05:41:28 PM
This is the part that caused me to raise an eyebrow:
Quote
3.4 Rights to Posted Content:
Any content uploaded or posted to InvisionFree may be displayed on a board by InvisionFree. You grant InvisionFree the right to display and store the Content you provide.

Now, I *know* they have that in there as a "if you post it, we can display it" thing and not "all your words belong to us," but I wanted to make sure.

What do folks think? Go with Invision, or find another way?
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: pathele on November 27, 2006, 05:47:45 PM
I'm with you Mickey Finn.  Is there some way we can get clarification as to their intent before we start? 
Other than that, I'm cool with it.

-paul
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on November 27, 2006, 05:55:31 PM
That's what the untouched ticket since Nov 13th has been for. :(
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Elanel on November 27, 2006, 06:43:24 PM
This sounds like an awesome idea. I was adding to my never ending story today as well. May well take this opportunity for C&C. I know I could use it! Good idea. Hope it gets off.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: James on November 28, 2006, 02:16:47 PM
Are you currently only looking for forum software or server space and domain name aswell ?
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on November 28, 2006, 03:29:44 PM
The whole kit and kaboodle. I suck at coding, so while I can run it and use GUI configuration tools, I can't host or set up the software.

Or, again, we could just run with Invision.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: James on November 28, 2006, 06:00:54 PM
The whole kit and kaboodle. I suck at coding, so while I can run it and use GUI configuration tools, I can't host or set up the software.

Or, again, we could just run with Invision.

Well as for the server space and domain name I can ask my mate who runs a hosting company what deal he can do us. Tell me if you want me to ask him.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Tannu on December 02, 2006, 01:30:19 AM
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http://www.jconserv.net/

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It might work for your needs.... :)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on December 03, 2006, 03:20:27 PM
Cool, I'll check that out, thank you! :)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Aethon on December 04, 2006, 12:51:30 PM
Quote
Of course, we could also just go ahead with Invision. The lack of response from tech support suggests the likelyhood of them noticing what's actually ON the board to be nil.
My experiences with IF agree that they are likely not to notice too much.  Their TOS says that the boards are PG-13 or 14, but I've seen boards that are R and up.  So long as one doesn't bring attention to themselves or anything, they really won't notice or care.

Quote
This is the part that caused me to raise an eyebrow:

Quote
3.4 Rights to Posted Content:
Any content uploaded or posted to InvisionFree may be displayed on a board by InvisionFree. You grant InvisionFree the right to display and store the Content you provide.

Now, I *know* they have that in there as a "if you post it, we can display it" thing and not "all your words belong to us," but I wanted to make sure.

What do folks think? Go with Invision, or find another way?

Again, even if they do notice, they're not trying to take rights of what's written, just show that they're allowed to do what the board was intended to do.  Let the stuff on it be shared.  Not the rights to it.

At least, that's my understanding and it's proven true so far.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on December 04, 2006, 02:30:43 PM
Jconserv's statement:
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•Copyright and Licenses

The entire contents of this website, including but not limited to: Text, graphics, logos, button icons, Flash movies, images, audio clips, digital downloads, data compilations, and software, are the property of Jconserv, its content suppliers or it's clients and are protected by Domestic and International copyright and trademark laws. You may not modify, copy, reproduce, republish, upload, post, transmit, or distribute any portion of the website contents without the prior express written consent of Jconserv or our noted affiliates.

You may print or download portions of the materials from various areas of this website solely for your own non-commercial use provided that you agree not to change or delete any copyright or proprietary notices from the materials. If you believe any content appearing on our network constitutes a copyright infringement of another parties rights, please contact us immediately at legal@Jconserv.com to notify us of this infringement.

Your submissions of files including, but not limited to: Resumes, e-mail, flash movies, images, logos, audio loops, documents, and other software hereby constitutes your agreement to grant Jconserv a non-exclusive, royalty-free, worldwide, sub-licensable, perpetual license, to reproduce, distribute, transmit, modify, adapt, sub-license, and publicly display any such submissions. You also grant Jconserv the right to utilize your name in connection with all advertising, marketing and promotional materials related thereto.


I love legalease...on one hand, they seem to say anything on the site belongs to them. On the other, they say that you're just giving them non-exclusive rights so they can post it. I think the first mention is refering to their own stuff, but they're not specific.

The only reason I'm being paranoid about this stuff is that I don't want you guys (and me) to be screwed over when we try to publish.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: terioncalling on December 05, 2006, 02:54:13 AM
http://www.instantmessageboards.com


Found this browsing around.  Maybe it could work?
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on December 05, 2006, 04:23:02 PM
It looks good until we get to:
"G. You acknowledge and agree that INSTANTMESSAGEBOARDS.COM shall retain all title, copyright and other proprietary rights in its software and all aspects of the Service. You shall not acquire any rights, express or implied, in the Service, other than those specified in this Agreement."

Again, not designed to steal anyone's work, but the wording is problematical.

We may just have to forge ahead. It appears all boards have weird wording issues.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: WonderandAwe on December 05, 2006, 04:56:00 PM
Perhaps we can use the board for discussion and have the actual work stored elsewhere?  Instead of posting the writing to the board itself, we can post it to a website somewhere and link it to the board?

You can easily convert documents to HTML in word.

I don't know how feisable that would be but it is an idea...
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: terioncalling on December 05, 2006, 05:17:05 PM
Well, it seems to have the least problematic wording jargon of all of them.  Might be our best bet.


Yeah, a website would work but what free hosting site?  Bravenet, maybe?  'Cause all the other old one's that I used to use before I actually got my own site have gone down the tube (Geocities, Tripod, Angelfire...).  And how exactly would that be done?  All us of get the password to it or e-mail it to one person who keeps track of everything?
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: WonderandAwe on December 05, 2006, 07:17:40 PM
I was thinking something much less organized. 

For example, I just finished chapter one for my novel.  I upload it to my prefered webhost.  I post a topic on the Writer's board.  In the topic, I link to the chapter on my webhost.  Discussions and critques occur on the Writer's board. 

I assume we can find a suggested webhost out there, but everyone would be responsible for their work.  Micky would be responsible for the board. 
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: terioncalling on December 06, 2006, 12:26:22 AM
Okay.  I thought you were suggesting one website for us all to upload our stuff to, not each getting their own.

Blar, confusion...  XP
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: firesaynt on December 06, 2006, 12:35:51 AM
*Happy Dance*   ;D  Even more reason to write!  I'm all up for that, though I'll probably look like a little dork next the experienced writers on the board.   ;)

This SOOOOOOO goes for me too..........but wisdom is born of huniliation...or is that pain? hmmmm....oooold song...im soo crusty. :-\
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Aethon on December 09, 2006, 06:27:05 AM
Mickey, the support ticket guys must like registered board owners better.  I don't know, but I got a reply.

Quote
Quote
 
3.4 Rights to Posted Content:
Any content uploaded or posted to InvisionFree may be displayed on a board by InvisionFree. You grant InvisionFree the right to display and store the Content you provide.

Might it be possible to clarify so as the legal rights to the posted information are presented clearer. I just want to make sure that the user who posted it has the rights to the information posted.

~~~~~~~~~~~
Ben
You have the right to the content, yes. It doesn't become our intellectual property or anything like that.

All that says is basically we have the right to store it on our servers (which is rather necessary, since storing message is what a message board does) and display it back. You still own the content. 

That just got back to me today and I submitted it the day before yesterday or so.  That's all you were looking for, right?
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on December 09, 2006, 03:17:26 PM
Cool! Invision it is, then. Estimated time of going up: around the first of the year (either shortly before or shortly after...we have a huge party for New years that goes from about Dec 29th to Jan 2 or 3rd with guests from all over the world. I'll be a bit distracted then. But traditionally, the next few weeks are slow at work. If this remains true, then I'll be able to get the boards set up and get the rules email written that everyone has to agree to before they get the password...things like "Thou shalt not steal other's work" and "neither Invision nor the board moderators are responsible for other people being jerks are trying to rip off your ideas."  While I don't see this happening, as this will be a private community, well...you never know.)

PS: Thanks! :)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: terioncalling on December 10, 2006, 03:43:47 AM
SWEET.

*dances happily because the board shall be up 'n running soon*
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Aethon on December 10, 2006, 03:51:49 AM
If you need any help, you know where to look.   ;D
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Tersa on December 10, 2006, 04:10:17 AM
Eeee!!! You rock for doing this for us, Mickey.  Many virtual chocolate chip cookies for you. *Gives Mickey a plate of said cookies*  ;D
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: waywardclam on December 10, 2006, 04:10:32 AM
Awesome.  I'm also on board to help in any way I can.  ;D
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: blgarver on December 10, 2006, 03:46:20 PM
Hey everyone.

I've been kind of in and out.  My little cousin was killed in a car wreck about a month ago, so that kind of threw off my creative chi.  Now I'm regrouped and back into it.

Just wondering how the group was coming along.  I'm excited about it! 

Garver
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on December 10, 2006, 05:03:38 PM
Gah. My sympathies.

Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: resurrectedwarrior on December 10, 2006, 11:41:26 PM
Hey everyone.

I've been kind of in and out.  My little cousin was killed in a car wreck about a month ago, so that kind of threw off my creative chi.  Now I'm regrouped and back into it.

Just wondering how the group was coming along.  I'm excited about it! 

Garver

Holy cow. I'm so sorry!

The writing group sounds awesome (*kicks self for coming on here so seldom*). I'm in as soon as it's up (I'll be more of a reviewer at first, though, since the group'll start about the same time I begin to conquer the wonderful world of microbiology).
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: trboturtle on December 11, 2006, 08:49:24 AM
Okay, I'm still in for a writer's messageboard.....

Craig
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: blgarver on December 11, 2006, 02:34:38 PM
Gah. My sympathies.



Thank you.  But it's cool.  He's visited me and several of my family members in our dreams and said he was okay, that he was getting used to Heaven. 

I tell you, I believed in God before, but i REALLY believe in the guy now.  A bunch of stuff happened within a week of Chris's funeral that suggested that he was coming around and tying up lose ends.  I'm thinking about writing a little collection of stories about everything that happened.  They're pretty awesome occurances.

So, the group should be up around the first of the year, did I read that somewhere? 
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on December 11, 2006, 04:18:56 PM
That's what I'm aiming for. Depends on work, really. Normally, we're slow this time of year, but they're finding ways to make us busier than normal.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Aerhen on December 11, 2006, 09:32:10 PM
I am very interested in the idea of a board for writers.. i am a long time role player and have been kicking around a few ideas ... one was stolen.. and it turned out well.. so i really want to get this other one going..

i have the synopsis and major ideas for the progression.. have the main protagonists.. and antagonists.. and have roleplayed through the entire course of the book many times.. but now i am finally ready to write it...

hopefully this time will be the charm...

thanks
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: trboturtle on December 20, 2006, 06:34:36 PM
This bord has been quiet for a while. Anything new, or is the proposed board still in limbo?

Craig
(Who can't limbo)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: WonderandAwe on December 20, 2006, 06:53:17 PM
Going to be set up by the beginning of the year hopefully...
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on December 22, 2006, 07:19:16 PM
Yeah, I have to have enough time at work to throw it together. USUALLY, we're slow this time of year at work, but this year, we're not.
Grr. Argh.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Paige on December 23, 2006, 09:21:18 PM
write...write...write...write...write...write...write...write...write...write...write...write...

*raises hand* ahem... Can I play too?

A writer's board sounds like a great idea and I'm always up for anything having to do with learning, practicing and improving the craft.   :)

I'm guessing it'll be announced on here when it's up and running and people can join. ???

Thanks for going to all this trouble Mickey! You da' Man!  ;D

write...write...write...write...write...write...write...write...write...write...write...write...
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on December 28, 2006, 04:17:56 PM
Bumped into a minor problem that's just a user error...I'm not used to this interface and I'm missing something. Emailed Aethon, but I think he's on vacation.
Just wanted to let you know it's coming along, just slowly ;)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Abstruse on December 29, 2006, 03:24:26 AM
This sounds great.  My biggest problem has always been getting honest, useful feedback on my writing.  My only problem is the "members only" idea.  It seems a little exclusionary.  Is it going to be a "Joe sent me" sort of thing where you have to know someone or is the membership idea just to try to keep people from hopping on and either soaking up the material or plain flat stealing ideas without contributing anything?  It's just that sort of thing always gets my knee-jerk anti-authority going into overdrive...

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on December 29, 2006, 02:12:52 PM
It's the latter. If it's open to anybody, then anybody can wander in. If it's limitted to people who vouch for other people (and agree to a list of basic rules...and I do mean basic here, things like "I shalt not steal." Unlike most writing groups, I'm not going to say you have to read everything to post, or anything like that...that's a nightmare, imho, when there's more than one person you're critiquing), it's safer for the authors.
Some people who aren't writers but want to help may have accounts.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: fjeastman on January 01, 2007, 01:15:53 AM
I'd probably at least try to give it a run.

Humdrum has been keeping me from the pen recently, rethinking the basic idea of what I'd been writing.  It wasn't ... fun ... enough. 

That and I keep getting my scifi in my supernatural.  Someplace to workshop would be ... entertaining. 

Unfortunately, I've had some cruddy experiences with online workshopping groups. 

It would be ... nice ... if there were some participation from one or more published authors.  Just because it's nice to hear some words on craft from the folks where the rest of us wish we were.

If the problem getting the board set up is hosting space or software, I do have a webhost and domain.  Pretty much the wife and I use it for tinkering around and hosting our resumes.  I use about 1/100th of the bandwidth I pay for and it has several ready-set BB programs I could dump on it and set up.  Just an offer, not trying to step on toes or anything.

--fje
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on January 01, 2007, 05:48:47 PM
I'll keep that in mind, should we run into weirdness with Invision, thanks! :)

I've talked to Aethon, and will start up on this again later this week, after the party guests go home.

BTW, the board will have some minor authors on board for sure, myself and Claudia Smith. We've both done editing work as well, and have our hands sunk deep, deep into the world of talking to authors and getting real world advice, which we'll pass on.

Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Abstruse on January 03, 2007, 12:05:09 AM
Most of what I write is screenplays, though I do have a novel or two I tinker with now and then.  Would that be a problem?  I guess this would be a community decision more than anything else...would these boards be strictly for prose or would any type of fiction be allowed?  Or non-fiction for that matter?

Also, what if any would be the restrictions of file formats for uploading?  I use either Word or Open Office for my prose, but I use Final Draft for screenplays which I can export as a .pdf file preferably, but also .doc Word and .htm but the formatting goes to hell and it gets hard to read sometimes.

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on January 04, 2007, 02:38:50 PM
Screenplays should not be a problem, although you may have less people with proper knowledge of format.

Same goes for poetry.


As for uploads...I'd say whatever floats your boat that the board will support. I'll probably actually post mine in pieces, and take them down as needed. (IE, when I've gotten enough comments)


Suggestions for things to put in the EULA?

(I shall not steal other people's ideas, I realize that if someone steals my own ideas that the moderators and Invision shall not be held responsible, I will play nice, etc)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: pathele on January 04, 2007, 02:59:15 PM
Suggestions for things to put in the EULA?
(I shall not steal other people's ideas, I realize that if someone steals my own ideas that the moderators and Invision shall not be held responsible, I will play nice, etc)

1. If you can't provide constructive criticism, don't say anything (ie, no personal attacks on the author)
2. Constructive criticism should be accepted in the spirit it was intended, even if you don't agree
3. Have fun

ok, that's all I got.
-paul
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Abstruse on January 08, 2007, 02:26:43 AM
Careful with wording or at least enforcement of that...I'm very defensive about my writing and when someone points out flaws, I tend to want to explain why I did something a certain way.  This really helps me because it will make me think about exactly WHY I do something the way I do it.  So I think that constructive debate should be encouraged rather than discouraged.  However, making sure that the debate is constructive and doesn't go into personal grudges would be important too.

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: pathele on January 08, 2007, 02:13:05 PM
As long as it's constructive, I don't think its bad. It's when someone reads your stuff and just tells you "it sucks" 
I think the key is that it is constructive.  debate / dialog is always helpful as long as it doesn't start getting into
"your writing suck" 
"well, your stupid"
"am not"

You know what I mean?

-paul
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Aethon on January 08, 2007, 02:15:59 PM
To keep the criticism constructive, I think they have to also explain the reason why they don't like it if they don't, or why they feel it doesn't work.  I like having people say they don't like certain parts of it so I a) know what I need to work on and b) have a chance to explain to both them and myself why I did what I did there.  Which is basically what you've both said.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Paige on January 08, 2007, 03:04:14 PM
On the other hand, you can’t lay everything at the critiquer’s feet. If every time someone tells you something about your writing didn’t work for them, or didn’t flow well or might work better another way, you “debate” them or insist they’re just not seeing the masterful glory of your plan, then there’s really no reason for you to post your stuff. You’re not learning anything, you’re not growing and you clearly don’t care whether anyone besides you thinks you can write.

The whole point is to try to improve your craft by seeing your work through other’s eyes. If you’re just looking for a place where people will praise your blinding talent and then storm the streets of New York publishing demanding they offer you a contract...uh, asking other writers for their opinion probably isn’t the thing for you.

There WILL BE people who don’t like your writing, no matter how much you “debate” or “explain”. That doesn’t make them stupid, or no-talent, right, or wrong.  There will also be people who love your writing, and of course that means they’re uniquely gifted at spotting genuine genius.  ;D

If you are overly sensitive or defensive when it comes to your writing there’s a good chance you’re not ready for critiques or public readings. If you’re seeking publication, you HAVE to develop a tough skin. Editors, agents, and reviewers can be brutally blunt. You have to learn how to take criticism, and how to decide what to do with the criticisms.

For the most part, a critique is someone’s opinion. And they are entitled to it. Trying to “debate” them into changing their opinion is what causes things to deteriorate into flame wars and hurt feelings. If you can it’s best to just thank them for their time and decide on your own whether you’ll take or ignore their advice. Debating them won’t make you a better writer.

There should be a limit in the number of back and forth posts. 1) the initial critique. 2) the response by the author 3) the critiquer’s response. And that’s it! If they didn’t “get it”, they’re not going to, either way. Move on.

As an end thought...if there is something about your work that needs “explained” it’s not exactly reasonable to believe once you’re published you’ll be able to go to every person’s house who’s reading your stuff and “explain” it. So if you need to explain, maybe there’s a problem you’re not seeing.

Just a thought.

Also, we won’t be posting in a vacuum. Mean spirited critiques will be seen and dealt with I’m sure. ;)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on January 10, 2007, 04:39:49 PM
Paige, excellent points. Seriously. However, I think they actually belong on the board themselves, rather than the EULA, because they're more specific than I intended to be. (And, on a side note, some folks can miss something while others totally get it, so it's a weird balance.)

Rough draft:
Welcome to the Cogni Writer’s Group.
This is a private board, the purpose of which is to aid its members with the production of and marketing of prose. This is a board of peers, and any account hierarchy is strictly due to the administration of the board.
To be a member of this group, you agree to the following:
1)   I shall respect the other members of this board, including respecting their intellectual property…in short, I shall not steal ideas or prose from other members, and they shall not steal from me.  I also understand that if this does happen, only the thief is responsible and accountable, not the administrators of this board, or the host (Invision.)
2)   I shall be courteous and offer constructive criticism to other’s prose. This does not mean I cannot be brutally honest, but my intention must be to aid the other authors, not to belittle them. Likewise, I should not just say that their work is the best thing since sliced bread unless I really mean it…authors cannot hone their craft without constructive criticism. I understand that others will be expected to treat me in the same fashion. I understand that constructive debate is encouraged, not just one-off criticism, because it can delve further into a subject and open up new avenues. I understand that this concept should not lead to flame wars, however. I understand that this is a conceit within this board, and that Real Life Editors ™ can be harsh and not prone to debate.
3)   There are no requirements on this board for members to read/review a certain amount before they can post their own work. It is therefore my own responsibility to let people know I have new work posted if I want people to review it. I understand that some authors may receive more attention from readers than others, because of this lack of structure. The reason for this board lacking such requirements is to encourage a stress free, creative environment. I do understand that despite this, I will be expected to comment on other’s work and participate in the community, rather than just post my prose and wait for the comments to flood in.
4)   I understand that there may be the occasional non-writer on the boards who is here to help. Likewise, it is possible that there may be authors who help, but don’t post their prose.
5)   I understand that I may recommend someone to join these boards, and that to do so, I need to tell the administrators…and have my recruit say that I sent them.

Comments?
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: pathele on January 10, 2007, 08:19:56 PM
That sound good, to the point and covers everything important.
I say cool, go with it.

-paul
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: blgarver on January 10, 2007, 09:33:57 PM
Paige, excellent points. Seriously. However, I think they actually belong on the board themselves, rather than the EULA, because they're more specific than I intended to be. (And, on a side note, some folks can miss something while others totally get it, so it's a weird balance.)

Rough draft:
Welcome to the Cogni Writer’s Group.
This is a private board, the purpose of which is to aid its members with the production of and marketing of prose. This is a board of peers, and any account hierarchy is strictly due to the administration of the board.
To be a member of this group, you agree to the following:
1)   I shall respect the other members of this board, including respecting their intellectual property…in short, I shall not steal ideas or prose from other members, and they shall not steal from me.  I also understand that if this does happen, only the thief is responsible and accountable, not the administrators of this board, or the host (Invision.)
2)   I shall be courteous and offer constructive criticism to other’s prose. This does not mean I cannot be brutally honest, but my intention must be to aid the other authors, not to belittle them. Likewise, I should not just say that their work is the best thing since sliced bread unless I really mean it…authors cannot hone their craft without constructive criticism. I understand that others will be expected to treat me in the same fashion. I understand that constructive debate is encouraged, not just one-off criticism, because it can delve further into a subject and open up new avenues. I understand that this concept should not lead to flame wars, however. I understand that this is a conceit within this board, and that Real Life Editors ™ can be harsh and not prone to debate.
3)   There are no requirements on this board for members to read/review a certain amount before they can post their own work. It is therefore my own responsibility to let people know I have new work posted if I want people to review it. I understand that some authors may receive more attention from readers than others, because of this lack of structure. The reason for this board lacking such requirements is to encourage a stress free, creative environment. I do understand that despite this, I will be expected to comment on other’s work and participate in the community, rather than just post my prose and wait for the comments to flood in.
4)   I understand that there may be the occasional non-writer on the boards who is here to help. Likewise, it is possible that there may be authors who help, but don’t post their prose.
5)   I understand that I may recommend someone to join these boards, and that to do so, I need to tell the administrators…and have my recruit say that I sent them.

Comments?


Sounds good.  I'm ready!
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: terioncalling on January 12, 2007, 04:05:02 AM
Sounds good to me!
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Paige on January 12, 2007, 11:11:31 AM
Paige, excellent points. Seriously. However, I think they actually belong on the board themselves, rather than the EULA, because they're more specific than I intended to be. (And, on a side note, some folks can miss something while others totally get it, so it's a weird balance.)

Uhm, K.  ::)

Rough draft:
Welcome to the Cogni Writer’s Group.
This is a private board, the purpose of which is to aid its members with the production of and marketing of prose. This is a board of peers, and any account hierarchy is strictly due to the administration of the board.
To be a member of this group, you agree to the following:
1)   I shall respect the other members of this board, including respecting their intellectual property…in short, I shall not steal ideas or prose from other members, and they shall not steal from me.  I also understand that if this does happen, only the thief is responsible and accountable, not the administrators of this board, or the host (Invision.)
2)   I shall be courteous and offer constructive criticism to other’s prose. This does not mean I cannot be brutally honest, but my intention must be to aid the other authors, not to belittle them. Likewise, I should not just say that their work is the best thing since sliced bread unless I really mean it…authors cannot hone their craft without constructive criticism. I understand that others will be expected to treat me in the same fashion. I understand that constructive debate is encouraged, not just one-off criticism, because it can delve further into a subject and open up new avenues. I understand that this concept should not lead to flame wars, however. I understand that this is a conceit within this board, and that Real Life Editors ™ can be harsh and not prone to debate.
3)   There are no requirements on this board for members to read/review a certain amount before they can post their own work. It is therefore my own responsibility to let people know I have new work posted if I want people to review it. I understand that some authors may receive more attention from readers than others, because of this lack of structure. The reason for this board lacking such requirements is to encourage a stress free, creative environment. I do understand that despite this, I will be expected to comment on other’s work and participate in the community, rather than just post my prose and wait for the comments to flood in.
4)   I understand that there may be the occasional non-writer on the boards who is here to help. Likewise, it is possible that there may be authors who help, but don’t post their prose.
5)   I understand that I may recommend someone to join these boards, and that to do so, I need to tell the administrators…and have my recruit say that I sent them.

Comments?


Yup! Works. I likes.  ;)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: resurrectedwarrior on January 14, 2007, 02:15:31 AM
Paige, excellent points. Seriously. However, I think they actually belong on the board themselves, rather than the EULA, because they're more specific than I intended to be. (And, on a side note, some folks can miss something while others totally get it, so it's a weird balance.)

Rough draft:
Welcome to the Cogni Writer’s Group.
This is a private board, the purpose of which is to aid its members with the production of and marketing of prose. This is a board of peers, and any account hierarchy is strictly due to the administration of the board.
To be a member of this group, you agree to the following:
1)   I shall respect the other members of this board, including respecting their intellectual property…in short, I shall not steal ideas or prose from other members, and they shall not steal from me.  I also understand that if this does happen, only the thief is responsible and accountable, not the administrators of this board, or the host (Invision.)
2)   I shall be courteous and offer constructive criticism to other’s prose. This does not mean I cannot be brutally honest, but my intention must be to aid the other authors, not to belittle them. Likewise, I should not just say that their work is the best thing since sliced bread unless I really mean it…authors cannot hone their craft without constructive criticism. I understand that others will be expected to treat me in the same fashion. I understand that constructive debate is encouraged, not just one-off criticism, because it can delve further into a subject and open up new avenues. I understand that this concept should not lead to flame wars, however. I understand that this is a conceit within this board, and that Real Life Editors ™ can be harsh and not prone to debate.
3)   There are no requirements on this board for members to read/review a certain amount before they can post their own work. It is therefore my own responsibility to let people know I have new work posted if I want people to review it. I understand that some authors may receive more attention from readers than others, because of this lack of structure. The reason for this board lacking such requirements is to encourage a stress free, creative environment. I do understand that despite this, I will be expected to comment on other’s work and participate in the community, rather than just post my prose and wait for the comments to flood in.
4)   I understand that there may be the occasional non-writer on the boards who is here to help. Likewise, it is possible that there may be authors who help, but don’t post their prose.
5)   I understand that I may recommend someone to join these boards, and that to do so, I need to tell the administrators…and have my recruit say that I sent them.

Comments?


Here's a big, fat ditto to what everyone else has said. This looks fine to me!
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on January 15, 2007, 12:49:58 AM
Ok, we're real close. So close I'm going to start creating accounts for interested folks.
IM me with the following:
A) Your requested board name (I recommend either your nom de plume or a variation of it, but you don't HAVE to do that)
B) Your email address you want to register under.
C) A statement that you have read and understand the EULA listed above (it's on the site as well).

Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: trboturtle on January 16, 2007, 12:03:40 AM
Ok, we're real close. So close I'm going to start creating accounts for interested folks.
IM me with the following:
A) Your requested board name (I recommend either your nom de plume or a variation of it, but you don't HAVE to do that)
B) Your email address you want to register under.
C) A statement that you have read and understand the EULA listed above (it's on the site as well).



IM or Pm?  ??? ???

Craig
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: terioncalling on January 16, 2007, 07:01:33 AM
Ok, we're real close. So close I'm going to start creating accounts for interested folks.
IM me with the following:
A) Your requested board name (I recommend either your nom de plume or a variation of it, but you don't HAVE to do that)
B) Your email address you want to register under.
C) A statement that you have read and understand the EULA listed above (it's on the site as well).



IM or Pm?  ??? ???

Craig

PM.  He has no IM listed in his profile.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on January 16, 2007, 01:06:15 PM
Sorry, PM. We use IM at work, and it just came out wrong when I was typing it (at work).
Planning on opening sometime between Sun & Weds. ;)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: etoiline on January 19, 2007, 10:04:34 PM
Wow, this is exciting. I've always read about authors and their writing groups, so it would be great to get that kind of help for us not-so-experienced writers.

Count me in!

~Cal
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Aerhen on January 22, 2007, 09:30:36 PM
Mickey i sent u an email with what u said u wanted.. and i didnt get a response or an invite to the writers BB... did i do something wrong??

Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on January 24, 2007, 01:12:45 PM
Try it again? I either didn't get it, or I did and my response never made it to you (when I see what you want for a user name, I'll know)

Technically, the board is open. My girlfriend and I caught the flu this past Sunday, and with that and the barrage of posts to moderate since Dresden aired, I haven't touched the board since then, but it's open if people wanna poke around and post about themselves (or their stuff).

Fairly soon, there will be writers exercises people can join in if they want to ;)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: trboturtle on January 24, 2007, 01:38:29 PM
Try it again? I either didn't get it, or I did and my response never made it to you (when I see what you want for a user name, I'll know)

Technically, the board is open. My girlfriend and I caught the flu this past Sunday, and with that and the barrage of posts to moderate since Dresden aired, I haven't touched the board since then, but it's open if people wanna poke around and post about themselves (or their stuff).

Fairly soon, there will be writers exercises people can join in if they want to ;)

It is? I didn't know that...... :o

Craig
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: terioncalling on January 24, 2007, 02:04:25 PM
It is?  And I also did not get a response.  PM with info again, I guess?
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Aethon on January 25, 2007, 12:31:40 PM
If you guys are having trouble getting through to Mickey's PM for any reason, my AIM Mail box is open as well as PMs.  The latter would be easier, but I can set up accounts as well.  So send me the same information Mickey listed above and I'll set up your accounts.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: trboturtle on January 25, 2007, 03:08:49 PM
It is?  And I also did not get a response.  PM with info again, I guess?

Same here....

Craig
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Kali on February 03, 2007, 10:02:48 AM
Y'know, I wasn't originally interested, but I could use a little "enforced" fun in my life right now.  Writing prompts would do that...

I may even throw in a critique or two, though I really don't like to do them.  Maybe I'll keep a list this time of people who take critiques well and those who don't, and only respond a second time to those who do?
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on February 03, 2007, 02:40:24 PM
Right now, I just need time to actually read and critique people's works at all...starting with those who did mine ;)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: swalizer on February 16, 2007, 12:55:30 AM
I'm definitely interested and PM'ed the illustrious Mr. Finn ;)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Maiafay on February 19, 2007, 12:06:48 AM
Are you guys still doing this? I would be interested...
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Aethon on February 19, 2007, 11:22:21 PM
Yes we are.  Feel free to send a PM to either Mickey or myself and we'll get you set up with an account the first chance we get.   ;D
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Maiafay on February 20, 2007, 03:08:42 AM
Yes we are.  Feel free to send a PM to either Mickey or myself and we'll get you set up with an account the first chance we get.   ;D

I sent a PM to Mickey...thanks for letting me know!
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Fade on March 13, 2007, 11:58:10 PM
this sounds great i sent a pm to mickey i cant wait to post some of my work i hope you guys will help me become a good writer



(god i need the help)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: The Deposed King on March 20, 2007, 04:28:24 AM
I want to join.  I sent a message already, I hope it got through.


The Deposed King
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on March 20, 2007, 05:38:16 PM
It did, I'm working on it now. Work's been exploding ;)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: skaoi on April 07, 2007, 03:30:07 PM
*waves*  hi everybody.  i write in the fantasy genre and haven't been writing long.  i sort of backed into this, actually.  i've always been a voracious reader and my husband gave me a book last christmas by an author who i was following for quite some time.  i was all excited and creased the binding in eager anticipation of the treasure waiting for me inside...after trying to read the first chapter, put it down in disappointment.  it wasn't that it wasn't good, but i had that same awful feeling you get when you go out and spend an obscene amount of money on a meal, only to realize you can do better than that in your own kitchen.

so...i started writing.  since then, i've met someone to write with and we are working on a story together.  i'm a little shy of self-promotion, but am happy to share the link if anyone is interested.  since giving in to this heretofore unrealized need to write, i seem to be continuously taking transcription from the voices in my head.  i tend to be a bit of a detail monster and spend a tremendous amount of time editing.  it's like breaking out massage oils and giving our characters a good rub-down.  i love it.  it's fun to see so many people here who seem to share my particular brand of insanity.   ;D

of course i'm here because i'm a fan of jim's books.  i actually have richelle mead's book, too, and it's wonderful. 
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Xenith on April 10, 2007, 04:45:56 AM
Okay, how do I join the "by invitation only" writers' group? I'm an unpublished writer, although I've written bunches of fan fiction in the X Files genre. (Don't worry, Jim, I won't touch your world or Harry either!) I want to learn how to develop my own characters and am interested in a general supernatural/detective genre. My big problem is sitting down, or actually running fast, to write it. Traditionally I 'write' while running on a treadmill or doing some other activity, then sit down to decant what I've written into a computer.

So how do I go about it?

Xenith
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: skaoi on April 14, 2007, 05:00:42 AM
Traditionally I 'write' while running on a treadmill or doing some other activity, then sit down to decant what I've written into a computer.

i actually do this a lot as well.  i'm a cyclist and find that 'writing in the saddle' is a great way to work things out.  i also find it's the only place i can do poetry, but i have to get that down as soon as i get home or i forget it.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Princess of Pique on April 17, 2007, 09:09:24 PM
I hope you all don't mind if I add to your discussion. I've been a member of an online writers' group on Kelley Armstrong's web site for the last 2 and a half years.

Reading some of the comments on the last page here has prompted me to give you a bit of advice.
It's nice to have people give you critiques on your work; but by far, you learn more about writing, and become a better writer, by critiquing the work of others.

When you are doing a critique of someone else's work, your mind is open, looking for what makes the work good, and what needs to be improved; so you are actively thinking about the elements of good prose.  That active thinking sooner or later penetrates the cerebral cortex, and is adopted by the creative side of your brain.

One more bit of advice, if I may. When someone critiques your work, there are basically three responses you will have to their input:
1) "Holy cow, batman, why didn't I think of that?"

2) "Mmm. That's interesting. I'm going to have to think about that one."

3) "Well, this person obviously has no clue whatsoever."

And that's as it should be. Because only you are the creator of your story.

 :D

Susan

 
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: redneckwitch18 on May 25, 2007, 06:28:57 PM
How do we start?
Getting valuable opinons on my stories is an exciting thing! You can only force your family to read so much!

This is so cool. My friends are thoroughly tired of hearing me read something to them. *whispers* I think they're planning a revolt
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Efawhs on May 31, 2007, 11:46:27 PM
I am new to the boards and would like to join this writer's group.  I haven't figured out how to send a PM yet so any advice would help.  I've read quite a bit so far and was wondering...  Has anyone thought about taking a collection of stories from everyone and putting them all together in a book?  Maybe that would be a way to get some of us noted among the published. 

Just a thought.  (we can even blame Jim Butcher in the credits of the book for inspiring us to get together and create such a hodgepodge (sp?) of styles and genre.)  hehe.  Might have to ask him if he MINDS getting credit though. :)

Just a thought.  Be strong, be safe and let your heart flow through your hand.

Ef.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on June 20, 2007, 05:27:31 PM
That's self publishing, essentially. I'm not a fan of that, as first publication rights are then whoosh out the window.

There's an icon under people's avatars you can hover your mouse over, and it'll show an option to send a PM.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Valkryst on July 31, 2007, 04:22:42 PM
Ok, if I set up an invite-only BB for the authors here to write stories and post for each other, would people be interested?

This is nothing Jim-Official, just us getting together.

Phil Boswell has given us an unintentional challenge:
" How much mileage could you realistically get out of a protagonist who is good at reducing themselves to dripping goo?"

While the board would be open to helping anyone with any story, I was thinking about having writing assignments, to push people...that could be the first one

I just joined this website and am very interested in the writing aspects, I would normally say that I am an aspiring writer but that is not precisely true. I write all the time, so I suppose it's the having other people read what I write that I aspire to. :)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Masuri on August 01, 2007, 08:19:52 PM
I've lurked on the board for awhile and just registered today. 

This idea is an excellent one.  The part about pushing people is key, I think.  As my career as a computer engineer progresses, I find myself writing technical documents, training materials and SOP manuals - and nothing else.  I was an English major, back in the day, and somehow I seem to have lost all the creative writing I used to do.  It feels like it's been so long since I tried to actually create something that I'm not sure I remember how.  It's sad, truly.

Good on you for putting this together, sir.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: prophet224 on August 20, 2007, 08:58:43 PM
Hey Masuri... Just wanted to say 'I feel your pain'.  Used to write constantly, started working as a technical trainer doing software documentation and training docs, now as a programmer...

where did the life in writing go?
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: belgarion on October 19, 2007, 03:47:01 AM
Something to look forward to and do in retirement.
Life in writing gravitated to being able to feed the family, pay the mortgage, pay the car payments, pay the utility bills, ........

Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: meg_evonne on October 19, 2007, 04:16:35 PM
Hate to be PollyAnna, but think how much "life" you will have to put into writing once you do!
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: prophet224 on July 23, 2008, 03:00:16 PM
LOL
Very nice... PollyAnna.

So yes, I am intentionally ressurecting this thread.  What happened to Cogni?  There doesn't seem to be any life at this point.  Is there anyone else out there interested in getting back in.  I will admit right now that I am at fault, as I didn't devote the time to critique or post, but wouldn't mind bringing it back.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: meg_evonne on July 23, 2008, 10:18:12 PM
Maybe we need a new start on a new thread.  Is there anyone out there who has actually taught creative writing, or scripting, or editing?  Raise a hand, you won't have to be the only one to help put something together... 

please???  :-)
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Anduriel on July 24, 2008, 03:45:35 PM
I'd be intereted in joining such a writers BB. Haven't taught, but have been taught screenwriting, if that couints at all...
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Guardian 452 on July 24, 2008, 06:14:15 PM
No teaching experience here, but I would love to be involved in such a group!

Truth be told, I haven't done the amount of writing I should have over the past little while...having a group like this would be motivation to produce!
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: polarglen on July 26, 2008, 04:55:28 PM
Add another one to group, if possible.  Have a degree in journalism, but never worked at it.  Did a fair amount of unsuccessful creative writing over the years, but nothing recently.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Starbeam on July 26, 2008, 09:10:42 PM
I haven't taught, but apparently I'm good at giving advice/constructive criticism.  My friends always ask me for any kinda grammar/English related help. 
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Mickey Finn on July 26, 2008, 10:10:48 PM
Cogni just sort of petered out. I told someone late last week to give me a bit, between work, break-in, moving, unpacking, work getting bought out by EDS and all the orientation, I haven't had a chance to look into the possibility of ressurection.

I did see this recently, but have not been able to investigate:
http://www.webook.com/?gclid=CNuXn8Wi25QCFScuagodgiehlg

Should it turn out that we could form a community there, and the rights issue is solid (ie, like Cogni, where they don't claim rights to anything), that might be a good alternative.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: Cooper on July 27, 2008, 01:23:00 AM
WEbook looks interesting.  It might help getting research and riticism for my book and stories coming up.  Oh and I agree to the writer's group.
Title: Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
Post by: prophet224 on July 28, 2008, 06:33:53 PM
Ok, so it looks like there is at least some desire on this.  Now, as far as WEbook, I saw that recently too, and it gives me the heeby-jeebies.  It's a publishing company.  That doesn't mean it's bad, but I'd like to get some other opinions first too.

Here's a link to their faq (specifically the rights section):
http://www.webook.com/faq#own-rights

Here's a popular online site for this sort of thing.  LOTS of people and submissions:
http://critters.org/index.ht

Here's one for pay (why use with Critters around?):
http://sff.onlinewritingworkshop.com/

Or we could always restart something like Cogni.  I'd be willing to set it up as a public site.  We have lots of options.

Side note: here is a new Fantasy writer's social network.  Don't know how worthwhile it is:
http://wonderlands.ning.com/