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Author Craft / Re: The Snowflake Method
« on: September 19, 2010, 10:37:06 PM »
I'm a huge fan of the Snowflake Method and have used it, or a variation of it, for most of my stories. I've added some bits, like more worldbuilding sections, and sometimes I don't get as involved with minor character sheets and all. But I do a spreadsheet of scenes and such and get to a 3-4 page writeup of the plot. It helps me to have guideposts along the way, a way to at least vaguely know what direction I should be heading in. Building up a plot from a kernel of an idea, that original sentence description, into a fleshed-out plot is a great investment before I start any writing.

The one thing I don't do, though, is force myself to stick to the original outline or plot if something better comes up along the way. I give myself the freedom to adapt when characters or plot twists surprise me. So that mixture of setting a foundation and then discovering new things along the way works exceptionally well for me. Not for everyone, I know, but I always recommend this method.

In a potential answer to your question, neurovore, I've actually interacted with Randy Ingermanson some and read his books. They're great, but he published several science fiction series and novels through the Christian Booksellers Association, and speculative fiction genres, unfortunately, just don't sell too well in CBA. I haven't seen any new releases from him lately, but he has lots of great advice for writers which has helped me get where I am.

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Author Craft / Re: Query that Worked (or, How I got my agent)
« on: September 16, 2010, 12:44:45 AM »
You'll find Donald Maass' books on his agency website as well as Amazon.com.

Here's his book link: http://www.maassagency.com/books.html

Here's the link to the Fiction Writer's Virtual Toolbox: http://www.jrvogt.com/writerresources.htm

At the bottom of the page, you'll find Amazon links to all these books we've been talking about.

As for a website/blog, I don't have a central link for that (though I think I should track some down for the Toolbox, thanks for the idea!). But if you look up some of your favorite authors, you'll likely find the majority of them have websites--some more professionally designed than others. A friend helped set mine up years ago, and I've fleshed it out a little since, adding the blog and all. You'll commonly see things like a welcome/home page, a blog page, a bio page, maybe some writing samples or free chapter reads from published authors.

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Author Craft / Re: First steps in writing
« on: September 15, 2010, 08:47:45 PM »
What are you wanting to write? Short stories? Novels? Is your goal to keep it "just for fun" or do you wonder about trying to get published someday?

A few of my goals when I first set out were (keep in mind, this was with the intent of eventually making a career out of writing):

1. Write a little bit each day. Make a habit out of it.
2. Read as much writing advice as I can and figure out what works for me and what doesn't. You can find tons of advice in places like this forum, or in many of the books out there for writers. For a list of excellent books, check out the bottom of the Fiction Writer's Virtual Toolbox on my site.
3. Set goals for yourself. When do you want to have your story drafted by? What's the word count you want to hit? What do you want to do with it? Who will you get feedback from? Answering these types of questions and setting goals will help you gain focus.

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Author Craft / Re: Query that Worked (or, How I got my agent)
« on: September 15, 2010, 05:09:17 PM »
Meg: I'd rather folks didn't want to kill me, if I have a choice in the matter. Donald Maass is a great guy, and it's easy to feel comfortable around him. The one good thing was, I'd practiced the pitch enough times, it wasn't too hard to slip in the natural course of a conversation. The funny thing was, once I'd pitched, the rest of the writers at the table all piped up as well, encouraged by Maass' positive response. He asked for a couple other manuscripts as well.

Kali: The Maass Agency is excellent, yes. Maass' books on writing have also been some of the most formative in my writing. If you haven't read them already, I highly recommend them. Most are listed at the bottom of the Fiction Writer's Virtual Toolbox on my site, along with other writing books I've enjoyed.

Liz: Thanks!

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Author Craft / Re: Would you finish then edit, or backtrack then finish?
« on: September 14, 2010, 04:08:29 PM »
I definitely get a first draft done before going back for any major edits. Along the way, though, I will certainly take notes about issues I recognize, inconsistencies I need to go back and fix, etc. That way, once I get to the end and let it sit for a bit, I can mull over how to fix things when the time comes. But yes, if I get too bogged down in editing along the way, it hurts my writing momentum.

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Author Craft / Query that Worked (or, How I got my agent)
« on: September 14, 2010, 04:06:55 PM »
At meg_evonne's suggestion, I figured I could provide a bit more detail and background to my signing on with an agent this summer.

So it all started long ago...back in February of this year, that is. It seems a while back, though in the perspective of the publishing industry in general, it wasn't that bad a turnaround time.

Anyways, I attended one of my favorite writing conferences in the area, the Pike's Pike Writer's Conference (my other favorite is the Rocky Mountain Fiction Writer's Conference). My goal this year was to network hard, and I had a list of agents and editors who all represented speculative fiction. I wanted a chance to talk to each one and give a 30-second pitch, at the very least. It started off well with the chance to sit at a dinner table with agent Donald Maass the first night, who heard my pitch, gave me his card and asked me to send the manuscript his way. So that helped put me in a good mood for the rest of the conference, to say the least.

The next morning, I had a pitch session with Scott Hoffman, of Folio Literary Management. I took a few pages of my manuscript along with me, though I didn't plan on showing them to him. While pitching the story concept, though, he pointed at the pages and asked to see them. Then he speed-read them, handed them back and told me to send the manuscript to him, saying he liked what he saw so far. By the end of the conference, I had managed to talk to every agent and editor on my list, with several more materials requests, and left the conference exhausted but exhilarated.

So I sent the manuscripts and partials out to the various folks. Two months went by. At that point, I'd heard back from a few with the usual "Thanks but not quite right for us..." After another week, I decided to drop a line to Scott, just to make sure he'd received the manuscript and it hadn't gotten lost in a spam folder somewhere. He replied almost immediately, saying he had it and enjoyed it, and had also passed it to another agent he worked with (Rachel Vater) to get her opinion on it as well. As soon as she finished reading, they'd be in touch. Another week passed, during which I did everything possible to distract myself. At last, Scott emailed to setup a time he could call, and when the call came, he offered representation--which I gladly accepted.

Here's the basic way I pitched my story, and a generalization of what I told the agents and editors at the conference. "The working title is Enter the Janitor. It's an urban fantasy about a janitor employed by a supernatural sanitation company called the Cleaners, which works to keep reality safe and clean from things like dust devils, toilet snakes and other forces of Corruption. The main plot revolves around the janitor training up a new recruit, whose recently discovered powers could burn down an entire city."

In fact, Scott asked me some questions like, "What's the audience for this, and what other series would you compare it to?" I did draw a quick reference to the Dresden Files, saying, "Well, what if Harry Dresden had decided to become a janitor rather than a P.I.?" I think that comparison helped show some market appeal while also sticking to the original idea.

A few questions from meg_evonne:
Did you write the dreaded synopsis? - Yup. Synopses are almost harder than queries for me, but I try to do one for each manuscript. Also, Scott asked me to draft up a synopsis for a sequel to be sent along to publishers with the proposal for the first one, and at this point, I'm 3/4s through a first draft of the sequel manuscript, tentatively titled The Maids of Wrath.

Had you met the agent previously? - No. This was my first time meeting Scott, but he is a great guy with a good sense of humor. At the same time, he's blunt in his opinion and will let you know what he really thinks, which I find to be great, as I'd rather be told the direct truth about my work than be led along to eventual disappointment.

Just how many manuscripts did you write before this successful one? - Let's see. I've got about six trunk novels which I consider my "apprenticeship" manuscripts. Ones that are extremely flawed and will never be published unless I rewrite the concepts from scratch. I've got a couple other fantasy novels that I believe have potential, and Scott and I have discussed which ones might be worth working with down the line.

And JUST how many revisions did you agonize through before being accepted- I'd say two major redrafts, mostly focusing on the first third of the novel, and then smoothing out consistencies with the rest based on those. Feedback came from several beta readers I've worked with, as well as a community of writers from the Online Writing Workshop (which I highly recommend).

-and then what about that 'revisions the agent requested' go? - Rachel and Scott gave me a first round of overarching revisions, yes. Nothing serious, like changing a character's gender or turning the urban fantasy into a historical romance. Just things like making a scene more tense, making a character more consistent, etc. Scott is now working on a line edit to help punch up the text, and then the plan is to send it out to publishers.

Whew. Hope this isn't information overload. I'm happy to answer any other questions if folks have 'em!

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Author Craft / Re: Author In Progress
« on: September 14, 2010, 03:48:38 AM »
Hi Meg! Thanks so much for the warm welcome. Yes, it'd be marvelous if I got to put a post in the Published Author board. Maybe, if all goes well, that'll be updated in the next few months. Who knows?

In the meantime, I will get over to the Query that Worked section and provide some more detailed info on how the whole agent things came about.

I do have a blog, which you can either access through www.JRVogt.com or JRVogt.blogspot.com. I'm also on Twitter most days, and would love to make some new connections and answer any questions folks have.

Lastly, my website also has a recently updated Fiction Writer's Virtual Toolbox, which, as you can see in my signature, includes 150+ links to writing craft and business resources I've collected over the years (a couple links to Jim's writing posts are included). I hope all that is some help to start.

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Author Craft / Re: Tools for Writers
« on: September 13, 2010, 08:40:20 PM »
If anyone is interested, I've updated the writer's resources section of my site to be a Fiction Writer's Virtual Toolbox: http://www.jrvogt.com/writerresources.htm. It's got 150+ links to writing craft and business resources, covering everything from developing novel plots to querying literary agents and more. My hope is it can be a decent hub for writers in various stages of their careers.

If anyone has suggestions for links to add to the mix, please let me know. Thanks!

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Author Craft / Re: Author In Progress
« on: September 13, 2010, 08:37:26 PM »
Josh Vogt here, fantasy author who has recently signed on with Folio Literary Management. My agent and I are prepping an urban fantasy novel called Enter the Janitor to send it around to publishers in the coming month.

Great to be here!

JRVogt.com
The Fiction Writer's Virtual Toolbox - 150+ links to tools and resources for writers
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Author Craft / Re: Plot Helpers
« on: February 08, 2008, 02:20:08 PM »
If you have characters in some form, ask yourself this: "What is the worst thing that could happen to this person/these people?"

Then make it happen and force them to deal with it.

Then, just as they're climbing out from under that boiling waterfall of tar, hit them with something worse.
Interview them, figure out what they'd absolutely hate and abhor dealing with, whether physically, emotionally, etc. and then slap it in their face. Sometimes the character motivations will be a great thread to snag on and draw a plotline out of.

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Author Craft / Re: Vampires, Werewolves, and Elves as Evil Beings
« on: January 29, 2008, 02:35:59 PM »
Terry Pratchett did a good job of turning elves evil, making them vicious, malicious creatures that take people over through their glamor and basically bring wreck and ruin to the world. Lords and Ladies is a good book of his with that as the storyline.

Vampires and werewolves...I've seen them being evil baddies plenty of times, more in the traditional sense. I guess the modern stories, especially the paranormal romantic type have been casting them in tortured hero type of molds, or sympathetic outcasts, but you should find plenty of source material in folklore and myth that shows their bestial sides.

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Author Craft / Re: Grim Vision of Things to Come
« on: January 11, 2008, 02:22:10 PM »
Funny thing, Craz. My mother also managed to get published this last year, also nonfiction. There's that advice saying to never show your work to family members, especially the mother, because they won't give good editing advice, right? Wrong. Any page sent to her comes back streaked with red.

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Author Craft / Re: Grim Vision of Things to Come
« on: January 10, 2008, 03:43:54 PM »
This sort of mood hits every writer at some point. I'd say it goes beyond writers...anyone with a big dream is going to feel this way. And writing, especially with a professional career in mind, is a big dream. The odds are stacked. It takes a ton of work, and even if you plug away at it your entire life, nothing is guaranteed. I've even gotten to the point of having an agent, and then got sent back to square one when that agent left their agency for personal reasons. That can feel wprse than never having an agent at all. How long will it take, you wonder. How much do I have to improve? Why does publishing have to be so subjective, when I see the "crap" that gets published while my amazingly genius story flounders in rejection after rejection?

Yes, it's disheartening. But a dream wouldn't be so bright unless it contrasted with a few shadows every so often. To abuse a cliche...there may be light at the end of the tunnel, but no one said that tunnel wouldn't be a few light years long, and you have to walk the whole way.

A lot of people feel this way.

Some give up when they get to this point.

Some don't.

Those who do will never get published, whether they loving writing or not.

Those who don't...there's still no guarantee that they'll get published, but at least they're still trying, and it is that perseverance that makes all the difference.

I believe, from my own experience and what I hear of others', that the dark hound keeps panting at your heels your whole life. Sorry, but it's true. The howling may change its tune. Those who get published may start believing they're hacks, or don't have a second story worth telling. Maybe you get an agent, but the story doesn't get a contract for a few years. That's a long time to put up with the howling, but if you learn to ignore it now (and ignoring it, I claim, is really the only cure) then you'll be better prepared for those future bouts of self-confidence. You will always have doubts and demons whispering on your shoulders, but whether you listen to them or not is up to you. Just like whether you actually sit down and write the story is up to you. Action makes up the difference between wanting to write and writing, and wanting to get published and getting published. If it's never taken, it'll never happen, no matter how good you are or how much you enjoy it.

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Author Craft / Re: Ah hell..
« on: November 12, 2007, 02:45:17 PM »
I've got a six gig usb drive that I use to backup all my documents weekly. I started doing this after a similar situation struck my computer out of the blue and wiped out several weeks worth of writing. It always wrenches the gut when that happens. The only thing one can do though is hope that stuff is stuck in the subconscious, and that when you produce it the second time around, it'll be improved...maybe a little refined.

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Author Craft / Re: Who uses novel writing software?
« on: November 08, 2007, 02:16:54 PM »
Here's one (and it's free!)

http://www.spacejock.com/yWriter.html

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