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Author Craft / Re: Help with my religion!
« on: February 04, 2012, 10:17:36 AM »
Reminds me of Raven Strike by Patricia Briggs.  where her gods were split asunder into multiple pieces of themselves never to be recombined again for fear dark forces would enter the world.  all the deities except one did this voluntarily.  The others weren't sure he'd say yes and if he had time to prepare could resist and the world would fall.  So while there were lots of pieces of certain gods floating around as Mages or Bards or Healers etc and whenever someone with a mantle died it would pass to a new born child.  This warrior god was only in like 7 peices and the people carrying his mantle had a disturbing tendency to go insane.

So I guess the question is,  do your noble families only decend by blood line or does the mantle pass outside the family and thus someone who would otherwise be peasant born become part of house Swahili instead.  And is there prejudice against outsiders joining hte family.  Plus what would happen if a child of a noble born didn't recieve a mantle.  Would he be half noble?  A trusted famiily retainer?  Part of a secret league of retainers who felt they were wronged and a subversive element out to topple the nobles from power and install themselves?


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Author Craft / Re: Villain discussion - Justified
« on: February 04, 2012, 09:55:48 AM »
I watch the show, but don't have the DVD set.  I'll have to see if any of my friends have it.  They do have interesting and nuanced characters on that show, which is why I watch it.  Walton Goggin's character of Boyd Crowder is particularly interesting.

Nuanced, three dimensional villains are just as important to a good story as well developed heroes.  Better yet, characters who are neither hero nor villain, but alternatingly allies or opponents, can make for a great story.  Jim's Marcone character is one such.

[edit: fixed Walton Goggin's name]


I must warn you against viewing Marcone as anything other than a Villanous Ally at best.  And a subversive interest out to kill you and warp your ideology at worst.

That said. I liked Justified season 1.  Season 2 isn't out here yet so I'm still waiting.

I think a good villain can be as important as a good hero in many cases.  Its nice to knock down a few straw men but nothing gives a reader more satisfaction than kicking the butt of someone who's bedeviled them at every turn and given the character a stream of unending grief.  Especially if the opponent is smart, sophistocated and organzied.



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Author Craft / Re: Author In Progress
« on: February 04, 2012, 09:49:53 AM »
Update while I'm waiting for the first editing pass.  I'm not sitting by idle.  Yesterday I wrote the first 1.8k of the second book in the series Admiral's Gambit.  Today the total word count is now up to 10K!

So here goes nothing.  Who knows how long I can maintain this furious pace but I aim to keep it up until I burn out or have to go get another job.


Have a blast guys and gals.


Remember to always follow the dream,


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Author Craft / Re: Getting the juices flowing
« on: February 04, 2012, 06:09:59 AM »
I've found that if you can convince yourself that you have no where to go but down unless you can write your book, it can work wonders for the word production.

Also I've found that if you get yourself on a laptop or computer without internet access or other distractions like e-books and nothing but a word processor, that this can also motivate you.  when the best option to distract yourself is to write.  A man tends to do that instead of nothing at all.

Also set yourself a target for word count on a day when you have nothing else to do.  don't let anything distract you.  i know if you have kids this can be hard but do your best.

In addition, if you are homesick and tired of writing while you're depressed or angry.  Why not try to channel some of that homesickness into your characters.  It doesn't have to overwhelm the book but if you are focused into getting to the scene where you have one of the main characters going through some homesickness, then focusing on writing it well, without letting your own situation bleed over too much, will help inspire you.

In the end until you're ready to shackle yourself to your word processor and not leave your computer desk until you've got X word count, its far too easy to give in to the troubles of the world.  Especially when real life stuff intrudes on your muse time.  worrying about a job or relationships can distract you.  You have to do your best to focus on what's really important.  (hehehehe)  Meaning you put whatever you put first and deal with it, refusing distracton, then the second thing on your list.  when you hit writing, you give it the same respect and don't let other things intrude.

Easier said than done  I know.


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Author Craft / How do you go about finding a Cover/Cover-Artist
« on: February 04, 2012, 12:43:16 AM »
Hey there guys.  This is your very favorite and most despised The Deposed King.

Got my first book completed and so I'm dipping my toes into the water and looking for resources for finding a good cover artist.  I already looked up Deviant Art.  The one artist I saw was with a three month waiting list and it cost anything from $150 up to $250 for a single figure with an additional 50 bucks for every extra figure.

Is this industry standard.  Are there other places to go or people you recommend.  Right now I'm kind of on the fence.  I'm in Cebu Philippines for this month and maybe the next, not sure.  The local talent I've seen here isn't great and its harder to find.  However for $100-$150 I could hire a person for a month to just sit and draw until I found something I liked.

Any advice anyone?  Obviously I'm on a bit of a budget and i'm looking to go the amazon route so assuming I'm going to make 30$ a month or less i don't want to blow a whole years worth of income.  On the other hand a cover can be the the visual cue that makes or breaks you.  So for later on where do I go, what's the standard and my options.


thanks,

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Author Craft / Re: Test Readers - Limits
« on: February 04, 2012, 12:23:54 AM »
Whoa nelly, lots of replies. I don't think I can sort thru them all specifically.

I think of beta reader is there to test such things as plot, characters, continuity, and action scenes, grammar. Which pretty much agrees with most of the comments here. As a writer gains in skill, they should be able to fix most things on the first draft or maybe even the zero'th draft. Grammar issues should drive towards zero, but another set of eyes always helps.

Thanks for all the replies.


You know if you go to Baen's Bar you can get test readers that post pretty much whatever hits them.  And its a varied bunch.  If they like or hate you you'll get a comment.  ITs might be utter drek that does nothing but drag you down.  It might be the most wonderful piece of helpful advice you've ever seen.

That's what i'd call the open form.

then there is a more closed circut.  Its where you take people you select.  You family, brother/sister, friend or what have your.  Or like with shecky.  You invite people you know a little bit about online and you have a select group.  It can be anywhere from 1+.  And they really help you.

Back in 04-06 I had the best test reader I've ever met.  I lost her e-mail and haven't seen her on the Bar since.  But I've got to say I wish I still had her number.  I would beg her on bended knee, to help me finish my Military Insect Story she was so helpful.  Sometimes when you're just starting you don't realize what you had until its gone. I knew she was awesome but now looking back I am appreciating her even more.

Alas work, family and general discouragement slowed me to a stop.

I'm back on the saddle as of now.  And hope to bang out book two in my Spine-Ward Sector's series.  Or whatever the end name turns out to be.  I had last month and I hope to have this month just for writing.  I might need to get a new job which would cut in to my free time but as of right now I'm in the saddle.

I'm trying to give what advice I can on my blog, where you can follow me as I first write my books and then later chronicle my process of going through amazon:  http://aspiringauthor1.blogspot.com/


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Author Craft / Re: How Do I Start As An Author?
« on: February 04, 2012, 12:10:58 AM »
My advice is you can't let anyone stop you.  On top of that the worst enemy in this battle is not anyone on the outside.  Your worst enemy is yourself.

As I started wanting to be a writer.  My first enemy was my inability to write fast enough.  My mind would race ahead and my twenty words a minute couldn't keep up.  I'd get discouraged and stop.  Then I was blessed to meet my future wife and cursed to be separated for a year while we worked on the fiance visa.  My writing speed improved.

Then my enemy became all the people who'd just say I couldn't get through the first chapter it was so roughly written but didn't actually help me fix it.  But really the problem was with myself.  I needed to focus on my inability to write cleanly.  I was discouraged and stopped again.  That is still a failing of mine but I'm both better at it and able to cope and find work arounds.  For instance my brother is helping me and I'm focusing more on books from established authors.  I open them not to read but to see how they constructed their dialog and paragraphs.

Then my next enemy was all those cheap kindle books out there I could read for less than a buck.  Who wants to take the laborious time needed to write a book when there was all this fun stuff to read out there.  But you guessed it again.  I'm the problem.

I think its the same thing with editors and agents and all that.  Its not that blasted editor who won't give you a chance or people online who won't tell you what to do.  All of that can either be found on the internet from a few hours of searching or honestly your work isn't worthy yet.  Self-domination is the key.  You must master yourself and refuse to let your discouragement, your lack of inspiration or any discouraging comments from others slow you down.  And in this day and age there is no excuse for blaming the editor, or agent or cover artist, for the reason you can't publish a book.  Any yahoo with a lap top can post their book on Amazon for 'free' and then your works aren't in the hands of some (dirty so and so _____ insert name) its directly in the hands of your readers.  And son if you want to blame the consumers for not liking your works, then you are looking at the wrong business and need to rethink things.


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Author Craft / Re: Question for outliners...
« on: February 03, 2012, 11:58:49 PM »
I frequently outline each chapter, mostly because I have complicated plots that I can't remember otherwise (I often end up changing things, though.)  How much detail really depends on what I'm trying to do with a particular scene, though--for a mostly action scene, I might write something like "Big fight in bar, Bill injured, taken to hospital.  Cops called.  Laura unnerved.  Bartender says man in fedora came in yesterday--what mean for Our Heroes??  We get some of Laura's backstory here--she recalls incident at summer cottage."  Or whatever.  Usually my chapter outlines end up running 1/2 a page to a page, single spaced, which might cover about 20 pages of manuscript, but that's just a very rough estimate.


With my first completed book (rough draft just finished the 31st of last month) I had a firm background for the first character and I knew his personality.  then I set up a series of major events he was going to be involved in.  Most he caused, several he was swept up in.  Then I decided my starting place and the series of events as they were going to transpire.

It was like this:

Starting Point: Dreadnaught Class Heavy Cruiser, in small cabin.

Events:  Imperials Abandon Sector and Turn ship over to formerly figureheaded leader.

Sub-Event: Organize crew

Sub-Event: Arrest Attempt on main character

Event: Pick up Prize ships before Imperials get them

Event: Answer distress call

Event: destroy or run off pirates and save Settlers

Event: Go to Native world with intent to get marines and future base  (charter thinks he's saving Settlers from broken ship and finding a safe temporary location)

Event: Bug Menace

Sub-Event: save native bug prisoners

Sub-Event: go down to the planet to secure permission for settlers to land

Sub-Event: former settler escort catches up with the Heavy Cruiser, due to engine troubles

Event: Return to Confederation Space

Co-Event: Mutinous or Piratical former Fleet Mates spotted

Sub-Event: go to deal with them

Co-Event: Imperial Cruiser are seizing Constructor ships that don't belong to the Empire under the auspices they are imperial assets.

Sub-Event: stop those piratical Imperial pirates!

Event:  Main Battle with Imperial Medium Cruiser


Its wasn't quite as official looking as all that.  However all the Main Events were in my mind.  Most of the sub-events were notions of things I wanted to do if I was a good enough writer to fit them into the story.  But how I got there was entirely up to me.  Which allowed for my sense of fun and adventure to break free without queering the deal with me losing my way from lack of a clear sense of what was going to happen next.

But that's just me and its not yet finished editing yet.

Hope it helps.


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Author Craft / Re: Author In Progress
« on: February 03, 2012, 11:40:16 PM »
I have found i love wighting more than reading
my second draft of the first book is being profred by my amazing frined who checks things like gamer and that my plot makes sens to other humans
my second book has about two chapters but i am working on it
my frined wants me to publish the first book but i am kinda nurves about letting her read it let aloune the rest of the wourld and don't have mutch nolige about how one would do such a thing

I just completed my very first novel.  Tentatively Titled Admiral Who  Its between 116K-133K depending on the right cut off point since its intended to be the first book.

Got my brother doing the first pass for basic grammar and word repeats.  With every possible hint of facetiousness intended I should be called The Comma King instead of The Deposed King.  That said after the first pass I'm taking it straight on over to http://baenbar.com for a chapter by chapter review.

For other hopefuls looking for people you don't know to tell you if your manuscript is the bomb or something closely resembling dog feces.  Here's direct link to their slush pile http://bar.baen.com/categories.aspx?catid=48.  Remember this is a members only site sponsored by the Baen Books Publishing house.  Now despite it being called the Slush Pile, the Publishers don't actually look at it.  This is just a place for like minded individuals, aspiring authors, and voracious readers to comment and help point you in the direction each individual thinks best.  You can post as little or as much of your book as you want.  I've never heard of anyone having a problem with anything they posted being 'pirated' or 'stolen'.  And that's in the 9 or 10 years I've been there.

For hopefuls needed advice and encouragement I think on the Jim Butcher website nothing speaks more directly to that than the words of the man himself.  Here's the link:  http://jimbutcher.livejournal.com/4217.html

As for me.  Once its gone through my first volunteer editor.  (I've found maybe a third to 40% can't stand to read your work if its too poorly formated with bad grammer and punctuation)  I'll run it through the Bar and then if I think its good enough its off for a test run of the Amazon Kindle.  I'll let you guys know when its available in snippet form on either my blog http://aspiringauthor1.blogspot.com/ or the Baen site.  You can follow my progress on the self publishing front as well as the writing of my second novel, Admiral's Gambit on my blog.

Have a blast guys!!!  And remember to always follow the dream.


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Site Suggestions & Support / Re: Chatroom... is it gone?
« on: August 16, 2011, 02:38:28 PM »
... and they need to be rectified by an external party, not me -- the module just doesn't install properly right now under the latest version of the forum software.

Thank you Shecky and Iago for the update.


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Site Suggestions & Support / Chatroom... is it gone?
« on: August 15, 2011, 10:52:49 AM »
Is the chatroom gone for good or am I just too oblivious to find the link to it?

thanks for your consideration.



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I dunno, I think having the Politics thread is making people get heated up in here in stead of relaxing.  Of course, I self censor by not going... 

I don't know.  For me its kind of fun.  A corner table would be fine... but it seems like the two political threads are going good so far.  No one's really started throwing any names around yet.

Although I do wonder what'll happen when Ballplayer and Uncle Draggi eventually go head to head.  They both seem to get a bit excited over their points... and they do seem on opposite end of the spectrum from eachother :))

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Author Craft / Re: Question for authors: Have you written lately?
« on: June 25, 2007, 07:28:22 AM »
I've been having a bit of a hard time finding the time to write lately.  The wife wants me to help out with a lot of yard projects.  Between that work and some reading time, I haven't been writing as much as I know I should.

By the way... Its been pretty quiet over there at the Congi site.  (cough cough)  I hope some people start droping in to post and comment and such.

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Author Craft / Re: New Writer's Group from this Board
« on: March 20, 2007, 04:28:24 AM »
I want to join.  I sent a message already, I hope it got through.


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Author Craft / Re: Author In Progress
« on: March 12, 2007, 12:49:19 PM »
Hey all (waves his hand in the air) No urban fantasy over here for me.  Besides I'm a rural country boy and keeping all that urban stuff internally consistant sounds like too much work for me.  Nope.  That stuffs fun to read but its not for me as a writer.

Instead I'm currently 50k words into a space story involving a Noble Insect Lordling and his effective exile to the outer rim of the insectoid empire, which takes place soon after returning from a small victorious battle, at the massive Hoth Front, to reinforce his troop of warriors.  The space station he soon arrives on is about to go to heck in a hand basket and its up to him to kick butt, cut off heads and take names in a courteous fashion or else all is lost in this little piece of the empire.

Unfortunately I am currently bogged down.  But!  Our side has hope and I will soon start the word count march march marching along!!

Have fun guys and gals

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