Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - DonBugen

Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 ... 13
31
DF Spoilers / Re: Cowl's Identity [FPOTM2 11.2016]
« on: March 08, 2019, 10:04:49 PM »
Hey, it's me.  That guy who dropped a way too long theory back in 2017 on page 10, then wandered off for a while.

Anyways, I was re-listening to Dead Beat for the bajillionth time, and there was a thought which struck me that I couldn't account for.

Bob's loyalty and services belong to the person who possesses the skull.  Right about when the dominoes start falling toward the final dramatic conclusion, Cowl grabs the skull, and Bob's loyalties shift.  Dresden doesn't get Bob's loyalty back again, until Cowl puts the skull down.

So, two questions.

1.  How does Harry get Bob's loyalty back?  He talks to him, sure, mentions that he named Bob.  But would calling him by name give him access to his loyalty?  Not on its own, I don't think.  The true name establishes a magical connection between the namer and the one being named, but nothing more - and it's not like Harry does any magic to get Bob to switch sides.  However, if Harry and Cowl were arguably, magically the same person, the relinquishment of the skull, the loss of physical contact could have meant that both Cowl and Harry had equal claim to Bob.

2.  How does Cowl know that Harry had Bob?  This is worth thinking about.  The wardens and council knew that Kemmler had an air spirit within a skull, but believed it to be destroyed.  Bob's the kind of thing that you keep under wraps, in any case, simply because of who might be after it.  Neither Corpsetaker nor Grevane ever consider going after the little air spirit that Kemmler possessed.  But Cowl does.  He considers the pursuit of the numbers unnecessary; never tries once to look into Tony or try to get Butters - because he doesn't need to.

I mean, seriously.  If  Cowl is nothing more than the first version of Dresden, a version who had to make a lot more hard, questionable choices and went down the wrong path, essentially screwed up the future royally, and went back in time to change things...  literally, everything in Dead Beat makes sense.  Everything.  I mean, consider the surprise that Kumori showed when finding out that Harry had burned his hand.  Why surprise?  Because perhaps in the original timeline, Dresden hadn't burned his hand because he hadn't gotten into a feud with Mavra.  Why, in any case, would Kumori even entertain the idea that Dresden could shelter her, help her, and consider going against Cowl when she confronts him after leaving Sheila's apartment?

Because Harry Dresden helped her before, and she trusts him.

If it's not Harry, then who else do we have?  We have Elaine, who has some actual merit, but does not handle power in the same way that Cowl does.  Maybe Elaine could be Kumori, but honestly, she was hiding in Summer until book 4; it's doubtful that she went for a jaunt to a vampire ball just a year earlier.

Simon?  I'm sorry; Simon has had absolutely no plot significance for the majority of the series.  He's a footnote in Ebenezer McCoy's story, and little more.  It's true that he *could* have done it, but there's been almost no buildup.  In fact, when Ebenezer fights at Chichen Itza, he shouts, "Remember Archangel!"  Not "Remember Simon!"  Perfect opportunity to drop hints for the future and remind the readers that Simon is a relevant person, and Butcher doesn't.

But Butcher's been dropping hints, again and again, about how time travel works, the effects of it, showing evidence of it, and dropped one pretty big Chekhov's Gun in the form of the Law of Conservation of History.  Harry's conversation with Vadderung makes absolutely no sense at all, plot-wise, unless it's true.  There's far, far more evidence for this being a time-traveled Harry Dresden than it being anyone else.

32
DF Spoilers / Re: Who fixed Little Chicago?
« on: August 23, 2018, 01:58:52 PM »
Those four points are exactly why I believe it's a previous version of Dresden.

There's one other possibility that no one has explored.

Having just formed the Za Lord's Guard, Toot Toot and company have one of their first epic battles against the mice and rats and ugly spiders that might crawl into Harry's bed.  One battle with such a dread creature takes them down to the basement, where the gang land in Little Chicago.  There, they have an epic Kaiju-style Godzilla battle, leaving much of Little Chicago in ruins.

Not wanting to displease their new lord before he even knows of the organization's existence, Toot Toot and company quickly repair all of the damage done to the table, completely by accident also repairing the transition coupling.  'Cause you know, Faeries, they just live and breathe magic and so it's totally possible that was done unintentionally.

It seems at least as probable as any other idea to me.

33
DF Spoilers / Re: Who fixed Little Chicago?
« on: August 22, 2018, 10:04:50 PM »
Heck, I was just diagnosed with sleep apnea.  Spent my first night on the CPAP and it's like night and day.

I strongly believe that either time traveled or universe-displaced Dresden fixed it, but that's a theory on top of a theory on top of a theory on top of vague hints.  The book itself flags Rashid as the most likely suspect, so I'm willing to go with that as most unlikely, as the rule of inverse literary probability means that the longer a mystery has gone unanswered, the more improbable the outcome will be.

34
To be honest, the only character who I really think there’s a chance, thematically, of coming back with Dresden is Molly.  She’s been the only character who we’ve repeatedly seen tied to multiple potential futures; the reader has already been trained to think of her as having a number of different potential futures, and it seems fairly clear to me that she’ll feature prominently in Mirror Mirror, judging from Dresden’s dream sequence in Skin Games.

But for Molly 2 to come over, it wouldn’t be because the first Molly died in Peace Talks.  No; Winter Lady Molly’s death would be a slow, metaphoric one; a death of the old self as she slowly but surely succumbs to have her personality and soul overwritten by the power of Winter, until she’s nothing but a cruel, sadistic shell of her former self.  Alternate Molly then serves as a counterpoint: this is what I could have been, Harry, if you had only chosen differently.

35
DF Spoilers / Re: Who was the real target of the bloodline curse at CI?
« on: October 12, 2017, 06:15:11 PM »
Watch - Jim's just stringing us along, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Harry or Eb. Its later revealed that Susan is a descendant from the same family that Mab, Titania, and Maeve came from, and doing the curse will put a reset on 2/3 the Winter Court and put Lily the Airhead on the Summer throne. Chaos ensues.

36
DF Spoilers / Re: Changes battle, we only saw the surface?
« on: October 08, 2017, 12:58:21 AM »
Quote
they were not even particularly secretive about the fact that they were all gathering there.  With the senior councils information gathering ability its almost a sure thing that they would find out.


What makes you say that? The council didn't know; Eb was shocked to learn it, no more than a half hour before Dresden appeared on the scene. Dresden petitioned every one he knew to find the info out, and had to get it from a literal god. The Fellowship of Saint Giles had no idea, and it seems like they're the ones who track the courts activity most closely. Everything all points to that they arranged it and organized with great secrecy and took out all potential observers.

37
DF Spoilers / Re: Changes battle, we only saw the surface?
« on: October 04, 2017, 07:32:34 PM »
Well, we clearly know from the words uttered through Murphy's lips that there were angelic forces at work, forces that had likely gently influenced events in order that the Red Court would be destroyed. TWG works that way, manipulating one group of people to be the executors of judgement for another.

Yes, the gray council was there. And if you believe that they're made up of a group of good people fighting for good and right things, then it's pretty surface. On the other hand, if you believe they're more than what they appear, it becomes an act of removing one patsy who wasn't toeing the line and replacing it with another, and a desperate attempt to save the life of their leader.  Or, if you believe that Dresden has other living family, it becomes, I dunno, an effort to save Merlin trapped in Demonreach and clearly being the keystone that holds it all together.

Or something.

Mab's the interesting one. The Reds are signatories of the accords, and you wouldn't think that Lea could indulge herself if the Reds hadn't offered them any insult.  Either the act of Harry being Winter Knight meant that the past-tense act of kidnapping his daughter became a declaration of war, or it's a "if you're not alive to complain, I can get away with it" sort of deal.

38
DF Books / Re: Will Butters keep his word and train with Vikings?
« on: October 02, 2017, 03:53:35 PM »
I dunno; training with a light saber kind of gets head-choppy if the other person doesn't have one as well.

Quote
Also, Jim, I know you're only a mortal man but please write a couple books in the series and release a year apart. You can do it. The series got me hooked from the very first paragraph. I know it's a lot to ask of you, yet the suspense is getting unbearable.
Great, now Jim gets to kill off another Stark.

39
I think that you all are vastly overestimating what Harry is able to do. I know that TC said that Harry is willing to go all-out, presumably even breaking the laws of magic. However, if his goal is information, he wouldn't just be immediately blasting Marcone to powder.

There is a reason that Harry is more afraid of Marcone than most anything else Supernatural. He has an incredible level of planning, preparation, and resources. He's also incredibly smart. And Harry, despite all his power, is still a glass cannon. One unexpected bullet ends him, like anyone else.

Is it possible at all that Marcone entered into this meeting with Dresden without a way to get out if the worst case scenario happened?  Very unlikely. They're going to treat a Dresden on assault with the maximum level of threat, which means that there's no holds barred. Their goals are to have Marcone break contact in order to escape.  And thinking that Marcone doesn't have other guards nearby ready is just foolish.

Harry and Molly going against Marcone is like two Queens trying to take on a chessboard with one King and a full assortment of Rooks, Bishops, Knights, and Pawns. No, individually they're not as powerful. But they'll out-maneuver him.

40
DF Spoilers / Re: Blackstaff and the Hat
« on: September 29, 2017, 01:51:31 AM »
Then I'm afraid Harry''s getting sorted into Slytherin.

41
Marcone, no contest. Hendricks pulls his gun on an old couple and they use them as hostages to get some safe distance. In doing so, Marcone or Hendricks pushes a little button which alerts all troubleshooter in range that Harry is an immediate target. While Gard stalls, the troubleshooter gets in place and picks off Harry with a sniper rifle.   

42
DF Spoilers / Re: Does Molly still have her soul?
« on: September 28, 2017, 07:01:13 AM »
Quote
That is what he thinks he is. But they were sure Harry was just a ghost as well, that ghosts often deluded themselves in thinking they were something else. Stuart does not want to delude himself that he is more than he is. What the story shows about people is more important than what they say about themselves.

I will agree that there certainly could be more to Sir Stuart than meets the eye, and that he could be a self-deluded shade in the other way - convinced that he is a shade when he really is a free soul.  I just don't see the evidence, though, myself.


Quote
Uriel is talking about rebuilding Stuarts spirirtual essence and Stuart is talking about his spiritual weakness. His spirit is still stronger than what most men have when they die. And it can be rebuild. But what Stuart needs to rebuild it is a soul.

I'm not quite following you there.  What evidence do you have to state that Sir Stuart needs a soul in order to rebuild himself?

Throughout Ghost Story, we see that memories are what makes up a shade.  Sir Stuart spends a memory to fire his pistol, and regains back part of himself when he absorbs that musket shot back.  Dresden was attacked by lemurs who  were gorging on his memories, and after Bob attacked them, Harry re-absorbed his memories and healed himself.  But when Sir Stuart had his memories burned -  fire is, after all, a cleansing force - there was nothing to re-absorb.

Quote
"Come on," I said. "Don't talk like that. We'll get you patched up."

Sir Stuart let out a small laugh. "Nay, wizard. Too much of me has been lost. I've only held together this long so that I could speak to you."

"What happened to our world being mutable in time with our expectations? Isn't that still true?"

"To a degree," Sir Stuart said affably, weakly. "I've been injured before. Small hurts are restored simply enough." He gestured at his broken body. "But this? I'll be like the others when I restore myself."

"The others?"

"The warriors who defended Mortimer's home," he said. "They faded over time. Forgetting, little by little, about their mortal lives."

The evidence is that Sir Stuart's memories are what makes him who he is.

Quote
"Aye," Sir Stuart said. "'Tis a muzzle-loading pistol, boy. You have to reload them like a proper weapon." Idly, he reached out a hand toward the last remnants of a deceased wraith, and flickers of light and memory flowed across the intervening space and into his fingertips. When he had it all back, Sir Stuart sighed and shook his head, seeming to recover a measure of strength. "Very well, then, lad. Help me up."

As for your arguments...


Quote
I is the complete sir Stuart including his soul. His weakness is weakness of spirit.

That's certainly one interpretation...  however, I think that when Sir Stuart says that he's not what he once was, he's still referring to the massive injury that he sustained.  Sir Stuart might have remembered a little bit about himself by fighting again, but he's still far away from being whole.  There's a gigantic difference between the cool, collected, professional Sir Stuart of the beginning of Ghost Story and the confused, somewhat vacant shell left at the end.

Quote
Quote
"There's more than enough left to rebuild on," Uriel said. "Trust me. The ruins of a spirit like Sir Stuart's
The difference between spirit and soul again but nowhere is said that the soul is not there as well, it is just not weakened. It is there to rebuild the spirit.
Quote
are more substantial than most men ever manage to dredge up. I'd be very pleased to have you
You is the essential Sir Stuart, the soul to be saved.
I don't see it.  You're dividing up Uriel's speech and saying that he isn't saying what he's saying.  You're claiming that Uriel is really talking about the soul and using as evidence that he's not saying Sir Stuart doesn't have a soul.  That's like me stating that Andi is a great transgendered hero of the story, and using as evidence the fact that she never explicitly states that she wasn't born a little boy named Andrew.

You need something more substantial than that.  You can't use as evidence the fact that someone doesn't mention something unless the fact that the information is missing is conspicuous.  If 99.9% of creatures appearing to be ghosts are simply created spirits, it doesn't cast sudden suspicion that Uriel doesn't call out the fact that Sir Stuart doesn't have a soul.  Can you point to somewhere in the books that state that a spirit like Sir Stuarts' must have a soul, or that Uriel would only work with deceased mortals and not with spirits?  I mean, I can point to sections of the Christian Bible which suggest that there are spirits who DO serve God, but that's our world, not Dresden's.

Besides, you sort of sidestepped the fact that when Uriel speaks to Sir Stuart, he refers to the original in the third person.  If Sir Stuart was the soul of the real Sir Stuart, and not an impression created upon death, there would be no reason for Uriel to say "The remains of a spirit like Sir Stuart's.  Sir Stuart would be right there, and Uriel wouldn't be talking of him in the third person.  Instead, the phrasing would naturally be, "The remains of a spirit like yours are more substantial than most men ever manage to dredge up."

Quote
I do not think Uriel has mere ghosts working for him and I do not think even Uriel can rebuild a spirit if there is no soul to work with. or would be interested in doing so.
What makes you disregard the one piece of evidence that Uriel does have mere ghosts working for him as untrue?

Furthermore, what makes you believe that a being that can destroy solar systems without a second thought, and works for a being who is beyond time itself, cannot recreate the memories that Sir Stuart lost?  What makes you so certain that a soul is necessary?

43
DF Spoilers / Re: "Conjure by it at your own risk."
« on: September 28, 2017, 03:21:25 AM »
Quote
I always took that as, if you conjure Harry, you'll have to deal with him.  Probably an unhappy Harry at that.
I'll make sure to have a cold can of Coca-Cola and some Burger King ready as an offering next time.

44
That is some awesome prose/free-form poetry.  Yours?

45
DF Spoilers / Re: Does Molly still have her soul?
« on: September 28, 2017, 12:40:19 AM »
Yes, though Uriel still identifies him as a spirit; just a far greater one than most.  And he also refers to the original Sir Stuart as a separate being.

Quote
I went back over to Uriel to find him conversing with Sir Stuart.

"Don't know," Sir Stuart was saying. "I'm not . . . not as right as I used to be, sir."

"There's more than enough left to rebuild on," Uriel said. "Trust me. The ruins of a spirit like Sir Stuart's are more substantial than most men ever manage to dredge up. I'd be very pleased to have you working for me."

Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 ... 13