WCV DO NOT engage directly if they aren't absolutely forced into it.
So, my next case file I intend to devote to a white court vampire coming after 2 of the party who killed his brother in Paris. Here's the thing though: One, seems very unlike a WCVamp to kick in the door and try and rip their heads off. So first, he's going to try and use the party's WCVirgin to find them. Once that's up, I want to have him start using Raith political connections to try and ruin the party's lifes/make their day to day stuff more difficult. I decided to go with this cause of the high level of social skills the party generally has, and I wanted to give the socials a chance to shine and a WCVamp seems like a great opportunity, with a finale where they shoot/stab/bite the WCV to death.
HOWEVER, the other thing is... I figure if the WCV does try and directly kill one of the party members, i have to at least sorta roleplay it out. And where that gets really akward is one of his 2 primary targets is played by my ex-fiancee. We broke up about a 15 months ago, and we've been doing a pretty good job on keeping everything friendly (and most of the time succeeding). However, I think for pretty much everybody (me, my current girl-I'm-dating, and my ex) is SUPER uncomfortable with the idea of me roleplaying seducing her, ESPECIALLY given the supernatural level of arousal that a white court can trigger (Actually, even if my ex was my current gf, I think she would find roleplaying that somewhat akward, she's very shy about sex). To get around this, I'm thinking I may just have the WCV be gay (or more likely bi, as the majority of Raith seems to be), but I still feel like that's going to be really awkward, and I have no idea how to roleplay seducing a guy without just saying "Okay, you feel super turned on when this guy gets near you... and moving on". Suggestions?
Oh, and the other female player, the midget werewolf, is the WCVirgin's RL girlfriend, so I'd prefer not to have to RP seducing her, but at least in her case it wouldn't be near as bad.
You are afraid of seducing people with your NPC because the person behind it is your ex?
Okay, dude it is a game. I have ran WoD for most of my gaming life. Meaning Vampire: TM, Werewolf: TA, and Mage: TA. For my NPCs I use pictures and say X looks like this. Vampire seducing is an art form unless you run Sabbat games.
This is a game and it is not real. You are playing a woman and he is playing a guy. Seducing him is part of the game. Roleplaying out the scenes are a must in a game like the Dresden Files. If you are feeling awkward about this then just use straight die rolls following the Social Combat Rules in the game.
But if you have an issue running a simple scene like this. Is this the right game for you? Is your group mature enough to play a game with these kind of social aspects? Why do your WCV have to be Raiths there are other families that do not use Lust and if you do not like any of them. Make up your own so you do not have to seduce.
One of the female players is the wife of one of the players.
Now this one is tricky and I understand completely. My wife is in our gaming group. l do a lot of the running so I have to make things very clear that I treat her like a player. That if you backstab her. Kill her etc if that is part of the game I have no issues. You do not have to like her character etc.
Now in our current game, I have made it clear to my GM go nuts do what you think is right with my wife's character. She is playing a Raith WCV and the character is a sexual deviant to boot.
I am playing the lowly geeky wizard who wants nothing to do with her character's sex life. I know her character will make the other players nervous. I have no issue if one of their characters sleep with my wife's character it is a GAME!
It does make things awkward but if they are gamers. They like you have to separate in the game playing from real life. If none of you do. Then this is not the game for any of you and your group.
From your issues my impression is you are learning an new skill GMing and why we are here.
Could this have come across as more condescending? Who are you to tell people what they should and should not feel comfortable with?
As for the issue at hand, does it have to be a lust vampire? If it's feeding habits have not already been determined you could always make it a less awkward emotion.
Could this have come across as more condescending? Who are you to tell people what they should and should not feel comfortable with?
As for the issue at hand, does it have to be a lust vampire? If it's feeding habits have not already been determined you could always make it a less awkward emotion.
HOWEVER, the other thing is... I figure if the WCV does try and directly kill one of the party members, i have to at least sorta roleplay it out. And where that gets really akward is one of his 2 primary targets is played by my ex-fiancee. We broke up about a 15 months ago, and we've been doing a pretty good job on keeping everything friendly (and most of the time succeeding).
However, I think for pretty much everybody (me, my current girl-I'm-dating, and my ex) is SUPER uncomfortable] with the idea of me roleplaying seducing her, ESPECIALLY given the supernatural level of arousal that a white court can trigger (Actually, even if my ex was my current gf, I think she would find roleplaying that somewhat akward, she's very shy about sex).
To get around this, I'm thinking I may just have the WCV be gay (or more likely bi, as the majority of Raith seems to be), but I still feel like that's going to be really awkward, and I have no idea how to roleplay seducing a guy without just saying "Okay, you feel super turned on when this guy gets near you... and moving on". Suggestions?
Oh, and the other female player, the midget werewolf, is the WCVirgin's RL girlfriend, so I'd prefer not to have to RP seducing her, but at least in her case it wouldn't be near as bad.
This is a game and it is not real. You are playing a woman and he is playing a guy. Seducing him is part of the game. Roleplaying out the scenes are a must in a game like the Dresden Files. If you are feeling awkward about this then just use straight die rolls following the Social Combat Rules in the game.
But if you have an issue running a simple scene like this. Is this the right game for you? Is your group mature enough to play a game with these kind of social aspects? Why do your WCV have to be Raiths there are other families that do not use Lust and if you do not like any of them. Make up your own so you do not have to seduce.
So once again is this the right game for his/her gaming group? Is it constructed the way to not create conflict. Right now it is sounding like it is and that can cause major issues. If the players cannot separate IRL and Gaming. Start from Scratch or run a different game.
Harsh but hey I have GMed for 20 years and sometimes as the GM you have to make those hard choices like this. The least thing you want is to tear your gaming group apart.
. But instead, you come off sounding like a stuck up Cam LARPer whose been playing his fantasy WoD self for too long and thinks that because he hooked up with some Cam LARP girls IC once, that he is a master of in game seduction.
I'm not sure about your ability to do a female voice, but mine is on the far side of ridiculous sounding falsetto. So having a villain with a Warner Brothers Cartoon voice just doesn't really seem like a great choice, thus, male villains. It's not that it makes me particularly uncomfortable, it just sounds absurd to be threatened by Bugs Bunny's female voice. You are correct I don't know how to run a believable seductive NPC. My personal method of seduction involves utilizing small physical contact, flirting, and a other subtle things, and doesn't play well to a tabletop style game where the players are sitting around a table.
Not helping your case any to make broad generalizations about other gamers. Just sayin`Agreed, I just got annoyed and countered with a sterotype. My apologies to any Camarilla Larpers I may have offended.
I`ve never once in my nearly 30 years of GMing tried to do a female voice. Some people are great at voices, dialects, accents, etc. I know I`m not one of them. That doesn`t stop my NPCs from being memorable or distinct. Its about word choice, speaking cadence, whether or not they make bad puns, if they use double entendres. Silly voices are distracting, its what the NPC says and how they behave that`s important and giving them distinct voices and personalities will do far more than any falsetto ever will.I'm fine with accents and voices, as long as they fall in the tenor-bass range. Occasionally I can do a more upper pitch male voice, but it's often a bit squeaky. I just find doing a female voice impossible for my range without going full falsetto.
My question is though, what is the 'killing' factor for fear and despair vamps? Do despair ones only feed complelty by driving targets to suicide? How do fear ones feed?
Go with Wrath, nothing says "mundane death" like "beaten to death by the six dudes he decided to pick a fight with."
Go with Wrath, nothing says "mundane death" like "beaten to death by the six dudes he decided to pick a fight with."
Despair/Fear is probably the way to go to avoid awkwardness. Wrath is a good choice to if you want to make a custom house.
I'm currently working on a Sloth Vampire from what I'm going to call the House Pax. Death by Laziness: dehydration, starvation, too lazy to breath, heart stop beating, brain stops firing synapses, etc.
Feel free to use the idea if you want. :)
if you just induced wrath on say, a person paralyzed in a wheelchair with no way to move, you could generate as much rage to feed on as you wanted without killing them (unless I guess you pushed it to a point where their heart exploded from adrenaline overload or something).
What would be the 'initial feed' for WCVirgins from some of these other houses though?
Ultimately, you pick a desired emotion, find people who are susceptible to that emotion, who may be pushed to die (or die trying something) because of it.
the condition
doesn’t truly take hold until the “virgin” White
Court vampire has killed for the first time with
his emotion-feeding abilities.
oooohhh.... I like this idea for Wrath vamps:) I'm so going to steal this:)
Wrath vampires get serious use out of the stunt infuriate.
It's not merely a matter of 'pushing someone to die' in an expression of the emotion, but killing them by feeding during that expression.
Cool - so how should a GM narrate the various types of WCVirgins making their first kill?
No, but they are sins which Jancarius mentioned wanting to base the WCV families in his game around. Really the only difficult one there that I can see is Pride. How does someone Proud themselves to death? The closest I can think of is "too proud to stop doing something bad for them" or possibly "too proud to ask for help".
No, but they are sins which Jancarius mentioned wanting to base the WCV families in his game around. Really the only difficult one there that I can see is Pride. How does someone Proud themselves to death? The closest I can think of is "too proud to stop doing something bad for them" or possibly "too proud to ask for help".
Organ failure from lack of life energy.
I kinda like the idea of a WCV that skips all the emotion and just rips the life out of someone...
Some players might have a problem with that sort of thing.
That will certainly depend on the table. The players who want to "duke it out" in an encounter (rather than agreeing to a Concession that nets them some Fate Points and sidesteps some table awkwardness) are hopefully not the same players who would shy away from the type of encounter. But all things are possible.
Can the feeding also be done at range, given the appropriate upgrade to Incite Emotions? I was never quite clear on that, but based on the novels, I would suspect not.
Didn't Lord Raith claim to be able to do that?
Can the feeding also be done at range, given the appropriate upgrade to Incite Emotions? I was never quite clear on that, but based on the novels, I would suspect not.
It's not clear to me, either. We should search the board to see if this has been established already.
As far as RPing seduction, I highly recommend a viewing of The Community's D&D episode.We all watch Community, and yeah, the sort of Jeff-Abed awkwardness is what I wanted to avoid.
Just sayin'...
Everyone at the table watching beforehand might help lighten the mood :)
Turns out I may have been somewhat over worried in my ex's reactions.
How do you guys handle 'long distance' social challenges? IE, Antonio starts a smear campaign claiming that Lucian is a pedophile/murderer/arsonist/jaywalker. Now I assume this would induce social stress on Lucian, but how does he 'counter' it?
So now Melody is looking into how she can fake her death. The paintomancer (Thaumaturge) wants to try and create a 'replica' of Melody out of ectoplasm and then have Sheridan kill it. What kind of pitfalls, checks, flaws, and successes do you guys see in this plan?
For an ectoplasmic replica like that, would it still fool him on initial examination, as long as the time limit hadn't passed?
The White Court WAS made into a despair type.