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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: jonas on October 12, 2017, 04:25:10 PM
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Due to incessant trollage, ima lock this thread when i'm not adding stuff. PM me(except for you Firn, this isn't an invitation to take trolling to pm, and i'll answer your add and answer your questions here.
Since the end is nigh, I've decided to stop holding back anything I have on the DF's future timelines. So sparing myself any great build up or purpose in writing, if anyone has questions, chances are good I have answers.
1Nemesis in and beyond reality will manifest in 3 distinct forms, the Mother, Harry's own Mother turned immortal/angel/passed beyond into the role of N,(similar happened Slate to Hwwb4 if you examine the image he forced upon Harry in CD, this is why Mab drove him crazy, break his hold/understanding of reality) The Wife, which is mostly Elaine, But Murphy as the chooser starborn is probably infected to some extent even if it has no hold. And the maid, The little girl Marcone wanted to save is the original line N used to grip in reality. Wasn't intentional but it's pretty much the same aspect they used in the silent Hill movie, little girl injured gives way for the darkness to mirror her and use her free will. Her getting back into her body is going to be hugely bad.(they keep trying to take/mirror a crazy young woman who uses magic) Also Bonnie is easily seduced until she gains free will, she exists in an imbalance from Lasciel being locked away, Lasciel can use her as her form of influence right now.
2 Harry's DH on DR is going to have a larger purpose, after everything stops he's going to restart reality with his 'be' spell, sucking all life through the vortex and kickstarting reality back off again. In doing so he will become the 'soul' of old gods via a Nrylahotep existence as the gatekeeper himself, as he touches the alpha and omega... which is highly metaphoric for him being both the end and beginning of reality, just like original verse. GK knows so much because he's from the future, watching it all change and happen in his head from his 'history'.
3 My old theory of 5 jumps in MM to create pentagram in time... Harry ends up saving 5 versions of himself at least, These 5 are the 5 versions of merlin who make DR 5 times at the same time. they twist the timelines together like the stem of the life tree, which is representative of multiverse branch theory.
4 Bonnie kills Murphy because she doesn't understand pancakes are inanimate and ppl are alive. She then comes back bonded to Bonnie as Athena reborn. everybody always points at Valkyrie/Gard, but forget she's just one version the warrior princess archetype.
5 Marcone rises as KoTC because the one thing he'd do anything to save is that little girl who who became Nemesis' vessel, only with the redeemers blade is this possible.
6 Nic's purity is corrupted by Nemesis, so he's not pure evil anymore.
7 Mab's last favor is for Harry to kill her with Medea's Bodkin on the stone table, giving the power she holds as the last Guardian of everness... err reality
8 Mac is one of the previos ages walkers/horsemen, he and the rest of the team sit it out in favor of choice and freedom of will. When the Fae court, the KotC and the walkers become one again we will see the Horsemen as they originally were.
9Harry has to break every law of Magic so he can become the sponser for valid reasons to use it, ending it's inbalance in reality and negating N's current foothold similar to how TWC redeemed Sin as an unbalanced force to Gaia's dark Seraphim, Satan, whom was then replaced by Nemesis/Lilith.
10 Gawain is in DR as English guy, various clues all over, Woj on his shield which has a pentagram on it, his green/grey cloak equivalent of a wardens, Susan asking about if Michael was a sleeping Knight awaiting the day the world needs him. But mostly because when I originally busted this out Serak let more known in his blustered reply than he realized. Interrogation is easy when you have no linear brain but a lot of intuition lol.
11# after MM Harry wears the hat from the cover, due to timeline shifting/variances.
12 Mavra is trying to become a living goddess, Nemesis in reality by using the DH.
13Cowl is Justin in Simons Body, Elaine is a fine thrall, used her skills to break the wards to acquire a suitable body.
13 When Billy finds the lost Alpha's it will turn out one of them is Nfected/mirroring the rage demon aspect found in Denton. Also, the Alpha's represent the Odin connection to wolves while the 'Pack' from FM represent the dualistic opposite, that Odin dies by a wolf. So Harry has both side to the coin, just like Odin does there.
14 " My apartment is in the basement of a huge old, rooming house that somehow managed to survive all the Chicago fires"
First sentence, of second paragraph of Chapter 7, FOOL MOON
LC survived and will be used as a thaumaturgy connection to reach back through time/travel effect the past. The Build up all in one spot in was from arriving through it.
That's certainly not all I know, but seems enough for the moment.
Got questions? cause I got answers ::)
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2 Harry's DH on DR is going to have a larger purpose, after everything stops he's going to restart reality with his 'be' spell, sucking all life through the vortex and kickstarting reality back off again. In doing so he will become the 'soul' of old gods via a Nrylahotep existence as the gatekeeper himself, as he touches the alpha and omega... which is highly metaphoric for him being both the end and beginning of reality, just like original verse. GK knows so much because he's from the future, watching it all change and happen in his head from his 'history'
I had and proposed a similar thought as to Demonreach and Harry with Demonreach acting as an umbilical cord for the new universe following BAT. It also has similarities in Norse Mythology of a couple seeking safety within Yggdrasil to start a new world. So I like having Bonnie, Bob, Harry and his Allies becoming in someway, part of a new realities mythology that resembles much of our own's mythology. Though I already like some of those effects to already be in the background of what we are reading.
6 Nic's purity is corrupted by Nemesis, so he's not pure evil anymore.
I like the idea that Nic's free will has been corrupted and that Uriel at some point gets to counter it. This way, I can fashion a chance for a new life for him in the past, maybe even him having a new body/soul say of Harry's father, Malcolm Dresden who falls in love or is sought out by Maggie Sr. Maggie Sr. and Nic have history by the way. And, I could think of nothing else to gross Harry out more than Harry learning that he is related to Nicodemus either immediately or even distantly.
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I had and proposed a similar thought as to Demonreach and Harry with Demonreach acting as an umbilical cord for the new universe following BATIt also has similarities in Norse Mythology of a couple seeking safety within Yggdrasil to start a new world. So I like having Bonnie, Bob, Harry and his Allies becoming in someway, part of a new realities mythology that resembles much of our own's mythology.
Indeed, they are the new generation. If you apply that to starborn generational theory, then literally, they are the new versions, the new gen.
Was unaware of the bold part, but it makes #3 that much more a likely as 'the life tree'
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What is this about?
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Aren't you wizard nelson too jonas? Or not?
What is this about?
At some point in upcoming future, we will be migrating the forum to a new home. So help us find one.
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Aren't you wizard nelson too jonas? Or not?
At some point in upcoming future, we will be migrating the forum to a new home. So help us find one.
Lol, perhaps, perhaps...
I died once already, if this place goes I probably won't be resurrected again... You may find Sibelis on wiki though. Made a profile so I could share the unwritten wizards rule from Sword of truth with the fandom... a lot of people really didn't get it unfortunately, to the point they had an erranious entry on the wiki ;(
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We have now reached level 11 Tin Foil Hat status...good grief Jim, get the damn book out before there's no sane ones left.
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We have now reached level 11 Tin Foil Hat status...good grief Jim, get the damn book out before there's no sane ones left.
Lol, except at one point in time I had a whole notebook full of clues directly from Books and Woj about why these are things. Nobody seemed to appreciate a break down on what's what in the DF when they can't see it themselves or realize it's value post series as a comprehensive work, like all those studies and workbooks on Shakespeare.
i'm not a single lvl below 9000 (angry face) and btw, remember how Credit cards got those digital readers in them? the military issues it's Members tin foil sleeves to put their security cards in so they can't be read from a distance... So tin foil really does block distant radio waves, go figure.
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Ah yes, The Book of WAG.
15 books into this series have we actually seen a payoff to any of the conspiracy theories? Because if Jim's prior comments are to be believed, the series is about 75% done, and there just hasn't been any sort of "AH HA!" type stuff.
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Jim is annoyingly not closing up loose ends. He is leaving many of them outstanding. It's led to widespread where is this going. There is too much ambiguity of how it can play out. I already reached the point where there is no point of speculating anymore without having more source material, aka new book. I'm just talking about what I had already thought. It's not new stuff.
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Ah yes, The Book of WAG.
15 books into this series have we actually seen a payoff to any of the conspiracy theories? Because if Jim's prior comments are to be believed, the series is about 75% done, and there just hasn't been any sort of "AH HA!" type stuff.
Ahh the classic Lurker/troll. My old Nemesis'. actually yes, we have, especially Ms Duck's Badgalyn of quackyness. Lacuna the tooth fairy, WC being after Molly was prewagged, the Sacrifical robe susan wore, ect. ect.I'm sure if I looked in the refence section I could find a half dozen more...
Take heart though, You'll only have to read book 16 next year before I can laugh and laugh and laugh at all the naysayers... I look forward to it really. Damn shame I won't be able to lambast them here. if you give me your email i'll be sure to remind you if you like though :)
@rai, do a reread, everytime I do I find new stuff. granted it might be cause my perspective is very loose as my personal memories are not very strongly associated with a sense of self.
*took me like a dozen times to realize the horses they ride in SK are the same colors as are rode by the horsemen of the apocalypse... less time after that to put walkers as horsemen without beast of burden via Magog/Eldest Gruff comment.
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At some point in upcoming future, we will be migrating the forum to a new home. So help us find one.
Well I hope these forums are around for a long while. I think that a migration would probably lead to a participation drop off. That being said I have considered purchasing something like Paranet.info or some other Dresden files inspired site for the purpose of a discussion board. I have never run anything like that, and not sure how much of a hassle it is.
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Next year? THAT's sadly the craziest of your predictions.
Can't call Molly a WAG. It was made pretty obvious that was a possibility when Harry soul gazed her. You lost me on the duck thing. Lacuna's been in one book and again, not exactly conspiracy level stuff. It's a cute nod to the reader that can be confirmed with a dictionary. At any rate there's a far cry between a little wink wink and what you're saying.
Good luck with your fanfic though, you've certainly put the time in.
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Next year? THAT's sadly the craziest of your predictions.
Can't call Molly a WAG. It was made pretty obvious that was a possibility when Harry soul gazed her. You lost me on the duck thing. Lacuna's been in one book and again, not exactly conspiracy level stuff. It's a cute nod to the reader that can be confirmed with a dictionary. At any rate there's a far cry between a little wink wink and what you're saying.
Good luck with your fanfic though, you've certainly put the time in.
See? and this is why I tried to point out ppl with very few posts coming in and belittling members. Funny I draw attention to whom I really am and suddenly start seeing the same thing I avoided in ignominy before...
Ms Duck talked about them wanting Molly specifically Waaaayy before PG, like after GP btw and Lacuna means empty space and is generally a musical term, not to denote a space in the teeth. That's what was wagged. Nothing about Lacuna's name herself gives it that, but combining it with her distaste for sweets and a little intuition and we have a theory. One so widely accepted you spit it as fact even... except to my knowledge Jim's never actually confirmed that.
*oh and Jim's timeline itself, says BC done in June, PT 12 weeks after, so in a bout a year you'll be reading PT... hardly a deduction.
thanks, good luck out there.
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Here are some additional theories.
The postman from book one was tt Dresden’s tt grandson who came to push Dresden in the right direction for a future event to occur in book 17. If he fails, Butcher has to re-write the series from that point in the first book with a slightly different trajectory till book 17 again with the grandson interfering at the series onset each time in slightly different manner until the desired outcome occurs.
Also, he left the partial burrito in Dresden’s car in a scene yet to be revealed.
The alphas are going to meet their mm selves who are called the omegas. If they touch, it will be like matter and antimatter colliding.
Santa will give tt, pre-winter lady Molly a special gift on jul in the past which will result in an affair and twin daughters who go on to get jobs as receptionists at daddy’s office.
Murphy has been learning to play the flute and will charm and posses snakes to do her bidding. The snakes will be an effective method of learning all secrets alla Nic’s shadow. Unfortunately, her powers will grow too strong and she will channel ouroboros and will become lost in a time/space paradox loop.
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-.- funny guy. Thnx for a reminder on the Alpha's though.
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The postman from book one was tt Dresden’s tt grandson who came to push Dresden in the right direction for a future event to occur in book 17. If he fails, Butcher has to re-write the series from that point in the first book with a slightly different trajectory till book 17 again with the grandson interfering at the series onset each time in slightly different manner until the desired outcome occurs.
Also, he left the partial burrito in Dresden’s car in a scene yet to be revealed.
Oh, I do so like how you think, even if in jest.
Yeah, I was an early proponent of the postman checking which time reality our Harry was in. Taking clues as to who Harry felt like, which floor of the office building his office was on, etc.
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Oh, I do so like how you think, even if in jest.
Yeah, I was an early proponent of the postman checking which time reality our Harry was in. Taking clues as to who Harry felt like, which floor of the office building his office was on, etc.
Did you ever see Primer? It is really your type of layered time travel film. It is even on Netflix (eu, at least. I watched it again a few months ago). Still great.
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Oh, I do so like how you think, even if in jest.
Yeah, I was an early proponent of the postman checking which time reality our Harry was in. Taking clues as to who Harry felt like, which floor of the office building his office was on, etc.
Considering Woj when talking about the signifigence of the British guy in 1st chapter of SG, He say's he'd never waste time making a throw away character and put them in the first chapter of the book.... I immediately thought again of our mailman friend lol
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Did you ever see Primer? It is really your type of layered time travel film. It is even on Netflix (eu, at least. I watched it again a few months ago). Still great.
You just gave me my plans for the night, thnxs again lol.
If you haven't seen the movie version of all these Zombies I highly recommend it... problem is I can't remember the name... It has Ethan Hawk in it... and uhh.. well anyway it gives it a more complete ending and deeper layering than the original book, which is rare in a movie. Look up that name real quick. Predestination, a mindblower of a time travel conundrum.
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Daybreakers?
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Daybreakers?
Err, mindblower of a vampire film... Never expected the 'cure'. But loved it all the same.
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See? and this is why I tried to point out ppl with very few posts coming in and belittling members. Funny I draw attention to whom I really am and suddenly start seeing the same thing I avoided in ignominy before...
Got no idea who you are, brother. But you've got to enjoy the irony in claiming to be belittled while at the same time attempting to marginalize me based on a post number, as if the amount of times I or anyone else has posted has anything to do with the merit of what we're saying. It makes me think of the high school superlatives. "Talk's most, says least"
I'm not aiming to belittle anyone, but when you post a novelette of WAG's as if they're fact, like you're Deep Throat or something, its probably fair to expect a bit of skepticism.
As for Jim's timeline you referenced, I'd love to know where you're getting that info, as all outlets are still saying no release date has been announced.
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Got no idea who you are, brother. But you've got to enjoy the irony in claiming to be belittled while at the same time attempting to marginalize me based on a post number, as if the amount of times I or anyone else has posted has anything to do with the merit of what we're saying. It makes me think of the high school superlatives. "Talk's most, says least"
I'm not aiming to belittle anyone, but when you post a novelette of WAG's as if they're fact, like you're Deep Throat or something, its probably fair to expect a bit of skepticism.
As for Jim's timeline you referenced, I'd love to know where you're getting that info, as all outlets are still saying no release date has been announced.
Thought you were done here bro? Had already responded to this before you decided to come back and start trouble, move it along, thnxs.
Check the recent announcements, think it was Cilla making a second hand comment on what he said.
We have now reached level 11 Tin Foil Hat status...good grief Jim, get the damn book out before there's no sane ones left
Drive by trolling is actually a thing, calls it like I see's it. 1st response directly questions my sanity and otherwise demeans me with this tin foil silliness.
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We are all a little crazy here. We spend hours debating books that have not written, theories that have not been proven, and the intent behind the lettering of a fictional work. We walk in an imaginary world and argue whether the trees are light or dark green. We try to be Nostradamus of Dresden Fiction. In short, our BLT is missing a slice of tomato. Cheers!
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You just gave me my plans for the night, thnxs again lol.
If you haven't seen the movie version of all these Zombies I highly recommend it... problem is I can't remember the name... It has Ethan Hawk in it... and uhh.. well anyway it gives it a more complete ending and deeper layering than the original book, which is rare in a movie. Look up that name real quick. Predestination, a mindblower of a time travel conundrum.
Yeah, I've watched the movie based on the short story "All You Zombies" by Robert Heinlein.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_You_Zombies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_(film)
When people start griping about my Marcone is Harry and Murphy son Wag. Or my other time travel WAG's, I bring up Predestination which is a more extreme case of time travel where the person is his mother, father and self.
And when they say it's bad writing, I again point to the absurdity of the paradoxes of this movie based on a short story written by a science fiction giant that was made into a successful film.
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Whenever I got a problem, I tell myself K-I-S-S. Keep It Simple, Stupid. Time travel as an answer is complicated and confuses the heck out of me. Plus, it feels to much like a cure-all. Don't know how something happened then Harry must have time-traveled.
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Well, the good thing about most of my time traveling theories is that it doesn't have Harry in the minutae of did he do this or that in this or that book. It largely pushes the time traveling instant some distance into the future. So he really hasn't the skill yet to do any of it. The greatest tipoff in my mind of him time traveling in books is the presence of IdHarry. We also know he gains the ability to pull Harry's from one reality to another, so it's an ability that is in potential toolbox for him. One that creeps toward an ability that is connected to time travel.
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I have heard IDHarry as being many things. Some possibilities are Harry's subconscious, Future Harry, and another possibility is Dumorne's remnant either as mental projection (horcrux-type) or ghost. Anyone have any other possibilities as to who IDHarry is?
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Well, if you read his entrance and conversation with Harry in Fool Moon, you can gather that he is aware and probably has already tried time travel a time or two to change things, and it hasn't been easy. Replying to "Easy for you to say."
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Was that the first time in Harry's life that he conversed with IDHarry? Weird.
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"What happened at the police station wasn't your fault."
"Like hell it wasn't," I snarled. "If I'd have been faster, gotten there sooner, or if I'd told her the truth from the beginning-"
"But you didn't," my double interjected. "And you had some pretty damned compelling reasons not to. Ease up on yourself, man. You can't change the past."
"Easy for you to say," I snarled.
"No, it isn't," my double said quietly. "Concentrate on what you will do, not what you should have done. You've been trying to protect Murphy all along, instead of making her able to protect herself. She's going to be fighting these kinds of things, Harry, and you won't always be there to baby-sit her. Instead of trying to play shepherd, you need to play coach, and get her into shape to do what she needs to do."
"But that means-"
"Telling her everything," my double said. "The White Council, the Nevernever, all of it."
"The Council won't like it. If I tell her and they hear about it, they might consider her a security risk."
"And if you don't make her able to understand what she's fighting, something's going to eat her face some dark night. Murphy's a big girl. The Council had better be careful if they decide to go messing with her." My double considered Murphy for a moment. "You should ask her out sometime, too."
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D@MN, that IS some heavy fore-shadowing. Now I will have to re-read that conversation and other again.
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I have heard IDHarry as being many things. Some possibilities are Harry's subconscious, Future Harry, and another possibility is Dumorne's remnant either as mental projection (horcrux-type) or ghost. Anyone have any other possibilities as to who IDHarry is?
The collective subconscious, also MMHarry. It's not a coincidence they are exact opposites andMMHarry looks like ID, anymore then the fairie queens being opposite is coincidence.
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Thought you were done here bro? Had already responded to this before you decided to come back and start trouble, move it along, thnxs.
Check the recent announcements, think it was Cilla making a second hand comment on what he said. Drive by trolling is actually a thing, calls it like I see's it. 1st response directly questions my sanity and otherwise demeans me with this tin foil silliness.
We don't all live at our keyboards. But calling me a troll for questioning the way you present theory as fact, and then playing victim when I call BS, is still in fact BS. If you want to be treated with respect you need to do the same. So no, I will not "move it along." Thanks.
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We don't all live at our keyboards. But calling me a troll for questioning the way you present theory as fact, and then playing victim when I call BS, is still in fact BS. If you want to be treated with respect you need to do the same. So no, I will not "move it along." Thanks.
Yes, thank you, move it along. All you've done since post one here is stir the pot. Considering you posted 30 times in 6 yrs you coming so hard and strong in this one instance seems kindsa odd ??? but who am I to see your hidden motives...
We have now reached level 11 Tin Foil Hat status...good grief Jim, get the damn book out before there's no sane ones left.
You call a dog a dog, a rose by any other name, ect, ect... Why so Serious?
Here, i'll make it supremely easy on both of us and I won't even have to bother a higher power to get'er done.
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Hi Jonas,
Ive enjoyed reading your posts as Sibelis & Wizard Nelson, so no surprise I found your “ What I know about the DResdenverse” post to be full of ideas that have made me think critically about the series again! A pity we can’t discuss this on the forum itself (for shame firn!!)
Would love to read some more of your WAGs!
Here are some of my thoughts/ questions on your points:
1: Really like this one - that the Walkers will mirror people in Harry’s life. I thought of Behind, Before & Beside as Justin, Elaine & Bonnie as Harry’s metaphorical parent, spouse & child. Really cool way of looking at this!
3: never thought of that! That Harry, like Merlin rescues & later uses the help of 4 alternate Harrys to create a pentagram across multiple realities/ time just like Merlin did to create Demonreach
6: I agree - Nic’s speech about controlling his Fallen instead of the other way around in Skin Game was highly suspicious & arrogant. Not to mention sacrificing his only daughter for such an ephemeral prize are almost surprising. What do you mean by he’s not pure evil anymore? I always thought he was misunderstood a little. Clearly a megalomaniac, but probably has a point as to why he thinks the way he does
7: Interesting thought! I do believe that Mab will die before book 21 but never considered how. I really like the ‘symmetry’ of Harry killing her at her own request
8: This was confusing about Mac - are you saying that Mac was one of the Outsider walkers? Or one of the horsemen of the Apocalypse? What do you mean by the walkers, fae & KotC becoming one again?
9: What imbalance is being created by the Laws of Magic currently that is allowing the Outsiders to gain a foothold in our reality? There is the 7th Law against opening the Outer Gates but it seems like a good Law to have, no? I like the thought of how after Jesus, Satan was replaced by Nemesis as the main foe -how is Lillith connected?
10: Completely agree - the British dude is Gawain. Good reference points!
12: So you believe Mavra is definitely Nfected? And that Mavra wants to become alive again through the DH? Interesting on the 2nd part. I’ve definitely considered this but your 2nd point here about her wanting to be alive could explain why she was at cross purposes with Cowl in DB.
13: So you’re saying that Cowl is Justin who orchestrated the events at Archangel to get a newer body, take out the Brute Squad & the WC Ramp expert/ his former teacher? Very interesting, had not considered this. But why then would Cowl wonder about Harry in their first meeting in DB?
As I said, I really enjoy reading WAGs & your latest ones have started making me think about the series in a critical way again, so thanks for that & please keep up the good work!
8 Has to do with how the world metaphysics are set up, during TWC incident/ generation, the 4 horsemen and Nemesis/Lachesis/chooser of fate (whom is the same archetype/starborn as Gard, the chooser of the slain and Murphy, whom if you look actually has a lot to do with how the story plays out, very choosy) are all broken down into various parts of their power(grace into mantles?). Nemesis/Nortia is Titania/Mab combined, who also start to look like Kali and other destruction goddess's. They got the balance, the active power Lachesis used to make fate has no master now, but has many wielders, mortal wizards. Who wield the active powers of creation.(key point, Fae wield what's already there, like channelers. Mortal wizards have the same oomph of choice/free will souls have, hence why without soulfire Elaine could create magic that stayed while she left the NN and Aurora could not, her power had no will endowed in it. Also why Wizards effect tech, it's via laws of literal probability from the strength of their aura. Like ghosts as 'spirit callers'(Shagnasty) the magic they call isn't supposed to effect fate/free will, but as a piece of them goes out with it. Molly now sends that bit to the mantle and the mantle produces non free willed magic...
anyway... the 4 horsemen and N got fed to the stone table except for certain parts, the loom that spins fate, the teeth/mantles of memory stayed with MW, the consciousness went outside as walkers, the weapons of her chosen went to the KotC, see Nortia's Nails of fate. They made them the 3 weapons of the first 3 horsemen, they were fear, lust, terror now repurposed under the new regime of fate, free will(Uriel's basically death of this generation) The power they held went to the courts as well, the kings and queens combined make 4 mortal knights/ability to effect fate, the horses the queens ride in SK are the same colors as the horseman of apocalypse, ect. MW btw, IS the apocalypse.
9 The original jewish seraphim has Gaia as an angel with 'the satan' as our dark mirror, in imbalance he can act in this world. this is of course Sin in that regard, in the DF, along comes TWC redeems Sin and brings the satan inside as 'lucifer' the devil and gives him purpose here.(in myth he cedes his role as the accuser to Lilith his wife, aka Nemesis) Thus keeping the souls of the damned from empowering the outside/going to nonexistent existence. Mab came in as the WQ from the ice giant outsiders power fyi, so it's a running them the old generation is subsidized inside to new purpose and a new imbalance made.
So now the 7 sins are reformatted as the 7 laws of magic, and the wardens have the same job as the Warden always did, stop those that have found a way in.
13 Hadn't seen him since that fateful duel?