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Title: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: zerogain on November 30, 2010, 07:14:24 AM
OK, so I saw HP7 last night.  Overall I enjoyed the show, though I haven't read the books.

I couldn't help myself though, last night, watching all this rampant Lawbreaking going on.  I just had to wonder where the darned wardens were at!?  :p

No spoilers here, but over the franchise I've counted violations of darn near every law the White Council has!  Enforced shape changes, mind alteration, peering about in another mind, swimming against the currents of time... Okay, let them off the hook on the outsiders and the killing bit (mostly), but still! /sigh.  So much for saving us from dark lords and what not, I mean the savior-kid's as black as his nemesis!

Now if I've ticked anyone off, I'm sorry, this is all tongue FIRMLY planted in cheek with like a packet full of salt grains!  See?  Still got one of them from the theater here.
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Papa Gruff on November 30, 2010, 08:11:06 AM
Get out of my head! That was almost exactly what I was thinking! ...

... Probably makes for a good drinking game: "Every time Ron, Hermine and Harry break a law of magic drink a shot!"
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Dumbledresden on November 30, 2010, 12:36:10 PM
Aww, come on...they shifted their own shapes, no lawbreaker here.

If I remember correctly they only broke 2 - 3 laws.
Timetravel and Mind-Alteration, so no killing with magic, no necromancy, no knowledge seeking beyond the outer gates, no invading the mind of others.
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Papa Gruff on November 30, 2010, 01:04:21 PM
And this makes a difference how?!  ;D

OF WITH THEIR HEADS I SAY!!
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Dumbledresden on November 30, 2010, 01:11:19 PM
And this makes a difference how?!  ;D

OF WITH THEIR HEADS I SAY!!

No problem with that, but breaking laws is something cool, Harry (the one and only) will do it all the time in the coming books.. and you will grant this level of coolness to those teen wizards? (Yeah, I know, look who is speaking...)

If your vampires will start glittering in the sun we'll have a serious problem, sir!
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Papa Gruff on November 30, 2010, 01:15:52 PM
If your vampires will start glittering in the sun we'll have a serious problem, sir!

You shouldn't give me such great ideas all the time ... I'm your GM you know ;).

I can see it clearly now: Vampires with glittering suntan lotion potion, provided for them by some evil genius dark wizard lord who ... but ... we are derailing the thread  ;D
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Dumbledresden on November 30, 2010, 01:30:47 PM
You shouldn't give me such great ideas all the time ... I'm your GM you know ;).

I can see it clearly now: Vampires with glittering suntan lotion potion, provided for them by some evil genius dark wizard lord who ... but ... we are derailing the thread  ;D

I was your GM for nearly 3 years, that's more than enough time for my insanity to stain your innocent mind, now i only provide little impulses to trigger this insanity...however sometimes i have to ask myself if i haven't created a monster :P



Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Blackblade on November 30, 2010, 06:27:48 PM
Throughout the series, I've noticed Harry break the following laws:

Law One:
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Law Two:
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Law Three:
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Law Four:
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Law Five:
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Law Six:
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Law Seven:
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So in summary, that would be laws 3-6, and possibly law 2.
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: zerogain on November 30, 2010, 07:24:59 PM
That's a cool list, Blackblade, thanks :)

Thought I began this entirely in jest, I think you could take from this that if you're going to use this system to run that world then the Lawbreaker power definitely gets modified.  (Shallow attempt to make the thread "RP"-worthy)

Other things to consider is that magic is more of a fix and patch in Potterverse than Dresdenverse.  There doesn't seem (from a movie perspective - I know, heretic, unclean, hiss boo) to be quite the same quasi-scientific approach.  Magic seems to operate on intent rather than knowledge or fact, so that if your intentions are clear it works the way you want rather than you having to meticulously coordinate it.
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Vryce on November 30, 2010, 07:28:36 PM
Kill them all, stupid Books.  Potter of course not Dresden.
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: zerogain on November 30, 2010, 07:39:15 PM
Thanks Vryce for the helpful commentary.
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Murphy's Stunt Double on November 30, 2010, 07:42:50 PM
Aww, come on...they shifted their own shapes, no lawbreaker here.


Not so... Moody turned Dracco into a ferret to stop him in the midst of bullying, remember?
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Lash Dresden on November 30, 2010, 07:45:41 PM
That's a cool list, Blackblade, thanks :)

Thought I began this entirely in jest, I think you could take from this that if you're going to use this system to run that world then the Lawbreaker power definitely gets modified.  (Shallow attempt to make the thread "RP"-worthy)

Other things to consider is that magic is more of a fix and patch in Potterverse than Dresdenverse.  There doesn't seem (from a movie perspective - I know, heretic, unclean, hiss boo) to be quite the same quasi-scientific approach.  Magic seems to operate on intent rather than knowledge or fact, so that if your intentions are clear it works the way you want rather than you having to meticulously coordinate it.
I take it the movies don't make clear how much study and work is necessary in transfiguration?  And how much trouble Ron has learning to apparate?
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Vryce on November 30, 2010, 07:46:13 PM
Thanks Vryce for the helpful commentary.

Anytime… I was a fan until I read the last of the Potter books, and if I let myself talk about the books ill go into a 40 min rant on the crap that was allowed to be put out.  So I keep it easy… kill them all.
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Lash Dresden on November 30, 2010, 07:47:31 PM
Anytime… I was a fan until I read the last of the Potter books, and if I let myself talk about the books ill go into a 40 min rant on the crap that was allowed to be put out.  So I keep it easy… kill them all.
Book 7 sort of killed interest in Potter for me, also.
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: TheMouse on November 30, 2010, 10:59:00 PM
Great. Now I want to run Dresden Files boarding school drama.
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: zerogain on December 01, 2010, 02:29:42 AM
I take it the movies don't make clear how much study and work is necessary in transfiguration?  And how much trouble Ron has learning to apparate?

Not in the least (that I recall).
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: ralexs1991 on December 01, 2010, 02:36:07 AM
Book 7 sort of killed interest in Potter for me, also.

i liked the 7th book it wasnt my fav but all in all i thought it was good if i may ask what was so wrong with it in your opinion
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: ralexs1991 on December 01, 2010, 02:48:35 AM
Get out of my head! That was almost exactly what I was thinking! ...

... Probably makes for a good drinking game: "Every time Ron, Hermine and Harry break a law of magic drink a shot!"

omg im totally doing this sometime!!!
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Lash Dresden on December 01, 2010, 03:49:49 AM
i liked the 7th book it wasnt my fav but all in all i thought it was good if i may ask what was so wrong with it in your opinion
I'm not saying it's bad.  It just isn't my cup of tea.  "Love conquers all" doesn't do it for me.  Add to that controlling, manipulative Snape, which seemed to me to be served up attempted to be disguised as love, which totally creeped me out. That's just me.  I know others who enjoyed it considerably.
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Vryce on December 01, 2010, 01:50:52 PM
I'm not saying it's bad.  It just isn't my cup of tea.  "Love conquers all" doesn't do it for me.  Add to that controlling, manipulative Snape, which seemed to me to be served up attempted to be disguised as love, which totally creeped me out. That's just me.  I know others who enjoyed it considerably.

It was Piss Poor! Camel Piss Poor at that.  Potter was a wimp, he gives up, Half the book does not even come together.  what was with that Fire spell he puts out in the beginning and wonders about it but it never happens again.  He Creates no Spells him self, he does nothing big, he just walks in and dies(of course he comes back) then the very ending has him gone from the wizarding world till he brings his kid to mage school... really, really!  Not even a teaching position... crazy lame.  I keep waiting for his
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to drop, and become a man….

maybe im overdoing it but maybe not
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Lash Dresden on December 02, 2010, 02:04:05 AM
I give Harry credit that he voluntarily sacrificed himself for his friends.  He thought he was going to die and be done, as I read it, and he was willing to die to save the people he cared about (not unlike our Harry).  Props to him for that.  But the Snape/Lily creepfest grossed me out.  Oh, he's so in love with her.  No, he's not.  He's a manipulative, controlling, stalker, who found someone who was more manipulative than he was (Dumbledore) who was able to twist him around and use him for something good.  Also, I would have preferred Harry to have had to actually do something to defeat Voldemort.  He won it on a technicality and it just seemed like a cop out to me.  I like the first 4 books, not so much 5 & 6, and I re- read bits and pieces of them here and there, but I doubt I'll ever re-read book 7.  In fact, can pretty much guarantee I won't.  But that's just me.
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: fantazero on December 02, 2010, 02:50:25 AM
All I thought was, why Doesnt Harry pull out his 44 and blast some fools?
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: zerogain on December 02, 2010, 04:07:58 AM
All I thought was, why Doesnt Harry pull out his 44 and blast some fools?

To quote Randall:  "Now that's an Oscar worthy performance!"
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Blackblade on December 02, 2010, 06:16:28 AM
All I thought was, why Doesnt Harry pull out his 44 and blast some fools?

An alternate approach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=sc0e1jsoohY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=sc0e1jsoohY)
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: fantazero on December 02, 2010, 12:47:15 PM
An alternate approach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=sc0e1jsoohY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=sc0e1jsoohY)
they showed that here at the Alamo Drafthouse before the new Harry Potter. I was the only Adult there other than my wife, and I was laughing very loudly  :P.

Even then Harry is 5 feet from people and I'm like "Fuego him moron!"
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: tallgrrl on December 02, 2010, 04:40:22 PM
That's HILARIOUS!!  Rated awesome indeed!
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: ralexs1991 on December 02, 2010, 06:07:07 PM
@Lash Dresden Ok i see what you mean and yeah snape was total creeper on Lily

@Vryce you weren't kidding when you said you didnt like it haha

@Blackblade that video wa so epic haha
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Vryce on December 02, 2010, 06:40:05 PM
Yup..... of course it is just little opinion. 
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: TheMouse on December 03, 2010, 02:42:36 AM
An alternate approach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=sc0e1jsoohY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=sc0e1jsoohY)

I admit it. I laughed.

I especially liked when Ron forgot to pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Richard_Chilton on December 03, 2010, 08:38:49 PM
A couple of years ago Jim Butcher chimed in on a similar thread - and because someone has put all the "Word of Jim" posts in one thread I was able to read his thoughts on a Harry D / Harry P crossover.  The post is at:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,4521.msg111487.html#msg111487 (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,4521.msg111487.html#msg111487)

Richard
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: Autumn2005 on December 06, 2010, 03:12:31 AM
Know who else breaks the laws of magic?  The Buffyverse.  Especially Willow during season 6...
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: admiralducksauce on December 06, 2010, 03:29:06 AM
To be honest, the laws of magic (while fairly reasonable from a certain point of view and certainly valid for the Dresdenverse) are pretty strict.  I mean, Dr. Strange has broken more than his share and he's a superhero!  :)  I'd be more surprised to find other fantasy settings where major mage characters fall within the Laws.
Title: Re: Potter's a Lawbreaker! Get the Wardens!
Post by: fantazero on December 06, 2010, 03:40:05 AM
To be honest, the laws of magic (while fairly reasonable from a certain point of view and certainly valid for the Dresdenverse) are pretty strict.  I mean, Dr. Strange has broken more than his share and he's a superhero!  :)  I'd be more surprised to find other fantasy settings where major mage characters fall within the Laws.
Thats what makes The Dresden Files cool.
yeah Harry could mind wipe people and such, but he would be an evil sumbytch.
It shows real consequences to meddling with peoples minds, mind control, time travel, meddling with Death ect.
Speaking of Buffy they do touch on some of them.
Faith Kills a Mortal and their like "We have to put her down", Willow does it and they put her on a short leash and exile her to England to be with a Gaggle of witches to retrain her. In one episode Willow tries to wipe someones memory of a bad event and she erases everyone's memory and its one of the event that leads her to getting addicted to "bad magic".

Anyone ever read that DC Comics "event" where they find out that they erased a Bad Guys mind and "Neutered" him (with magic)  from being a rapist evil bastard to a comic fool. Then when he finds out he goes Ape Sh*t?