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DF Spoilers / Re: "Talk To Me..." Had Carlos Already Drank the Kool-Aid?
« on: November 23, 2020, 05:22:11 PM »
According to Odin chose to become mortal but keep privilege to meddle in mortal affairs. Of course as ex-Aesir he was still as mortal powerful wizard, so it's no wonder he restored much of his power by gaining various mantles including mantle of Winter King (which was presumably somehow shaped as memory of him, so it could get easier). Also it's a place where I have to say I really dislike how they use Kris Kringle as almost his proper name considering it's relatively modern concept that arise when German settlers for whome Baby Jesus was giving presents on Christmas - it's result of improper pronounciation of Christkind - (ergo Christ-Child), that was mixed with classic Santa Claus vision.

I doubt it's Jim intention - he probably just choose nickname used most in his region but if I was paranoid I'd make theory how Odin is trying to steal mantles from Jesus himself.

That isn't so crazy, you know.  Somehow Odin managed to pick up the soul of a devout Catholic.  There might be more cross over between Odin and Jesus in the Dresdenverse than you think.

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DF Spoilers / The Accords, the Council, and Harry
« on: November 23, 2020, 05:16:07 PM »
Harry is no longer on the White Council, which is a member of the Accords.  They have cast him out.  They seem to be arguing that they can still come at him for breaking the laws even if he isn't a member, which is weird, but they do it to practitioners too weak to join the council so there is precedent.

But what if Harry were to join the accords like Marcone did?  Then he would be protected from the Council by the accords, and they can't really claim he's part of their group anymore.

So he would need three signatures that would be willing to irk the council.  I assume he can get winters.  Probably also Bigfoot's if his people actually join the council like he seemed to be proposing.  Ivy?  Think he could get Fix to sign for summer if Bigfoot doesn't join?  If he's looking at starting an organization and people are going to start to move against him anyways... it seems like being a signatory of the accords might be useful.  Maybe make Goodman a permanent retainer, hire the hellhound if he can afford it, get a permanent detachment of winter goons to control, that kind of thing.  I wonder if Bigfoot would be willing to take on young human apprentices recruited from the paranet that would fall under Harry's organization rather than the council...

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DF Spoilers / Re: Poor Harry - Jim you cruel man. Lol
« on: November 18, 2020, 07:52:31 PM »
Ability to astral project yourself as shade would be quite cool?

I think Astral projection and his ability to create a body for himself while doing so will be integral to the time travel book, whenever it happens.  I think he has to time travel as a spirit and then make a body to interact with the world.  Thus there will be both spiritual and real world encounters in that book.  I think he will be at the battle of Arctis Tor, which is the ace in the hole that Mab pulled to beat her enemies in that fight...

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DF Spoilers / Re: "Talk To Me..." Had Carlos Already Drank the Kool-Aid?
« on: November 18, 2020, 07:42:00 PM »
Quote from: Mira link=topic=53912.msg2339416#msg2339416
That is true, oh I think Harry still has some support, Eb, Listens to Wind, and Rashid.. But when the vote came down two were in surgery and the third occupied with keeping the Gates safe.  Unsure how deep Martha's support runs without Eb being present, but she has to know the service Harry performed during the battle.  I am also not all that certain that Christos is so much against Harry now, but I'd say it was either him or Carlos who testified against Harry. However it still all could be a sham, because if they believed it, there would be no suspended death sentence..  It would be simple, death by Blackstaff.
I think it is quite possible that Eb did not support him in the recent vote.  Interestingly enough, it sure looked like the vote came after the events in Chicago (since Carlos had time to go, and then come back days later to report the results) rather than simultaneously, so it is possible Harry could have gone and defended himself if he hadn't been so smashed to bits by the fighting.

Eb warned Harry about how people would be betraying him, and Harry gave Eb all kinds of reason to be angry with him in PT.  So I suspect Eb was on the "kick em out" train as a way of giving "tough love" to try to bring Harry back.  It might be interesting to see who was in Harry's camp.  I think LtW was (because he respects River Shoulders and River Shoulders certainly trusts Harry).  I wonder if Mai might be if she has done anything to follow up on the fact that he has a foo dog ally.  While the Merlin has never liked Harry, I could see Harry's help in the case against Morgan bearing fruit eventually, though probably not here.  (i.e. I suspect if the Merlin had want it shot down it would have been shot down).  Heck, depending on how allied with Winter he is, even the Gatekeeper might have  voted against Harry under the idea that he needed to be freed of the Council restrictions to be of more help to Mab.  I think we'll learn more about this vote later....

Though the idea that Carlos seems to blame all the deaths in Chicago on Harry just boggles my mind.  In what world could he have prevented the attack of an entire nation of evil beings the Council had essentially been at war with for several years?  And then when he actually did stop the big bad... they throw him out and Carlos agrees with it?  That is just ridiculous.

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DF Spoilers / Re: "Talk To Me..." Had Carlos Already Drank the Kool-Aid?
« on: November 18, 2020, 07:30:39 PM »
If the senior council needed to know and it was safe to tell them, they would know, because Rashid would have told them.  Rashid hides what he is from the Council, because he would be subject to attack away from the gates if it was revealed who and what he is.

To some degree I agree with this, but remember Nemesis knows who Rashid is, so all of his real enemies, the people who would want to kill him for being the gatekeeper already want to, whether the council talks about the Gates or not.  I think the council doesn't talk about it because the less information about outsiders the better in terms of most wizards - i.e. if they don't even know about them they can't mess with them.  But that is all falling apart as the Outsiders are obviously becoming extremely active about wanting in, and we've seen that three different Walkers are active inside reality now.  The time for keeping things secret passed several books ago.  The entire idea that you shouldn't talk about nemesis because it might hear you is kinda bunk, because that's assuming that it doesn't know that the faerie queens and great powers know what it is and oppose it.  Look at how wrong things went because Lily was never brought up to speed about it from a trustworthy source?  I can't help but wonder how Nemesis would fare against a knight of the cross, i.e. can they detect a Nemesis infection?  If Butters saw Justine at the end there, would she have had a big glowing exclamation point (or whatever the enemy has to his senses) over her head?  Can the sword free someone from Nemesis infection?

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DF Spoilers / Re: "Talk To Me..." Had Carlos Already Drank the Kool-Aid?
« on: November 18, 2020, 03:27:26 PM »
What I really want is another short story, "Field Trip," where Harry takes a bunch of people who need to know what is on the line to the outer gates - Fix is the most important to take, probably Butters to be a communicator, and Carlos out of hope of repairing the relationship.  Maybe Billy just because he deserves the trust.  Maybe Lara if she isn't clued in, though I suspect she is and bringing her along would weaken the outreach to Carlos.

Such a trip isn't really letting any secret out of the bag, since all the power players know it.  And it gives a reason for Harry to be a monster and for others to help him.  Fix really needs to know that while there are times that Winter and Summer are enemies, that there are also times they are allies for a good reason.  And I think that if Carlos can see Harry getting along with the Summer Knight, see a reason for Harry to be helping Mab, and see a knight of the cross along vouching for Harry, that might go a long way to bringing Carlos back in the fold. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: When did LtW join the White Council?
« on: November 16, 2020, 10:11:11 PM »
Several points to consider:
1.  We believe the gatekeeper is the oldest of the senior council, since he took down the Abdul Alhazred in 730 AD, according to WoJ.  Also according to WoJ, the path to the gatekeepers personal demesne involve briefly walking on the moon, so we can assume wizards made it to the moon long before the rest of mankind did.  If that is possible, I see no reason why the white council wouldn't be in contact with the America's before Columbus.
2.  In the way way back, there were a lot really bad things running around.  Way more than now - think of all the things locked away in Demonreach and by the Ventori helping the world forget them.  There probably weren't that many more good things though, since why would we lock those things away?  Maybe there was more direct intervention from various human pantheons, but even most of those are at least 50% evil (or have an evil opposite like the Jotuns).  So Wizards back then might have been much more active in fighting for humanity than they are now, and a lot less worried about policing themselves.
3.  Certain areas may have had less wizards per population that others.  The Aztec/Incan region seems to have been ruled by the Red Court at the discovery of America.  I see no reason why they would encourage/allow humans in their care to become wizards, and probably rooted out those with potential, leading to a very low wizard population in at least half of the new world.
4.  Excepting certain powers intervening (ala red court in Mesoamerica) the population of wizards should probably be reflective of human populations, so it certainly does seem that the council is horribly western in leadership, considering that about 60% of the world population lives in Asia.  And considering the references Harry has made about their locations, etc. it seems it has probably always been European dominated, which seems wrong unless there is a similar reduction in Asian wizard populations for some reason (hunted by jade court, etc.)
5.  I do wonder though, back in the day before world exploration, it seems like it might have been relatively easy for the wizards to find each other with divination sources and paths in the NN, but it seems like communication would have been a total beast.  There doesn't appear to be any magic way to learn languages (else Harry would be better at Latin) short of putting a demon in your head, and while it might have been easy to find a path to the America's through the NN, when they come out communication would be a bitch, and not what most people do for fun.  I've got to think there has to be more value to being part of the Council or more punishment for breaking rules, else there is no way the world's wizards would have joined up like they appear to have done.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Whose the backup plan for...? - Battle Ground Spoiler
« on: October 21, 2020, 06:16:15 PM »
It is clear from what Jim has said that there can be multiple starborn, and that to be starborn you need two things:
1.  To be born at roughly the right time.  Apparently it wasn't an exact minute kinda thing, and Harry and Elaine were both contenders, so it may even range over months.
2.  They need to be "activated" in some way.  Not everyone who was born on Harry's birthday is a Starborn, but I suspect Harry has been since he was "activated" by HWWB.

It is clear from what bigfoot said that this is a normal process - something big is coming, and it is normal and important to have starborn when it does.  The older wizards are hanging on to have some say in whatever the big thing is that's coming.

It's clear from what Listen's said to Ethnui that he is a Starborn, and that makes him valuable.  It seems to me that every faction that wants to be a player in whatever is coming (some like the Svartelves may just want to keep their heads down) needs to have a Starborn.

Potential/known Starborn:
1.  Harry
2.  Listen (deceased?)
3.  Drakul (probably on team evil - possibly a former human starborn who sucked in an outsider and now cohabitates with it mentally, immune to its control but warped by it anyways?)
3.  Elaine (per WOJ)
4.  Gatekeep (would make sense for position, is he old enough to be Starborn from 666 years ago?)
5.  English guy in Demonreach?

And that leads me to a big question, who is the White Council's Starborn?  They crap all over Harry all the time and just threw him out.  There is no way they would be throwing him out if he was their plan.  So who are they grooming to be their Starborn contender?  Harry is really the only person of his generation we see, everyone else is always markedly older or younger, and since all starborn should be the same age that means we haven't seen a contender yet.

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DF Spoilers / Demonreach prisoner loot
« on: September 09, 2020, 12:01:23 AM »
What happens to stuff worn by beings locked into demonreach?  Left where they were grabbed?  Imprisoned with the being?  Put in the demonreach armory? 

Just wondering where the titanic armor winds up....

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DF Spoilers / Re: AMA Highlights
« on: August 28, 2020, 06:55:28 PM »
My question is, who were/are Bob's parents?  A being is born with some of the knowledge of its parents, and I would assume the parents have to at least sort of like each other for this level of intimacy to work.

We believe the Bob goes back to the middle ages.  He also seemed to favor winter as his main source of connections, so I kind of assume one of his parents is winter related.  I have a hard time believing that what knowledge the parents pass on to the child can be well controlled, so it seems unlikely someone with a vast amount of powerful secrets (like Mab) would risk creating something like Bob.  If he was older I would wonder if he could be tied into Merlin and/or Odin, but he's too young (I think) to be tied in to Merlin or into Odin as a full fledge god.  I wonder if he could be a cheap Odin-imitation of what Zeus did with Athena.  I really want to learn who Athena's mom is in the Greek god book...

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DF Spoilers / Re: AMA Highlights
« on: August 28, 2020, 06:47:45 PM »
So how’s this for an analogy – Someone writes the coolest online game ever (GOD).  Assigns system admin to run the game (Angels), but not to stop hackers (outsiders).  Players can go from random players, to heads of guilds, etc. so there are many varying levels of power depending on how seriously they play, and maybe how much the system admin trust them (people up to fey, little g gods, etc), and GOD wants them to like the game so much they are willing to work to protect it from hackers.  One system admin goes rogue (satan) because he disagrees that protecting the game from hackers is a player job and things it would be much better to be a system admin job.  Other admin now spend a lot of their time keeping him locked out, so his main way of messing with the game is encouraging the players to be dicks, occasionally giving out cheat codes, etc. hoping that if they all will do as he says, he’ll effectively run the game anyways.  So system admin might do their job because they love god, love the game, or love the players but they can absolutely only do what they were assigned.  Uriel risks things because he loves the players.  Michael might do his thing because he thinks God is the bomb, while Raphael might do his thing because he just loves the elegant system architecture and thinks the game is the best.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Why Conjouritis, Why??
« on: July 21, 2020, 02:42:28 PM »
I had assumed that at some point in the story (or battle ground) that he would need to create an object (like the bucket for the gasoline, but more serious) and we'd see him hoping around trying to make himself sneeze so he could make it - without having to see him learn how to conjure items out of the NN suddenly.

Of course, after having it, he should realize it is totally in his power to conjure items out of the NN and we might see him add that to his list of skills.

Though the whole spider thing bothered me because he also somehow conjured minds for them, which seemed odd. 

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1.  Accorded attendees seemed really low count.  Why no black court, shapeshifter, or organizations from other countries?  I mean, you really mean that we know all the accord signers already?  There are no other signers from Asian folklore?  Odin is there, are there no other gods/pantheons with people active enough to be signers?  I thought this was going to be a chance to show the league Harry was moving up into by showing us the next tier of players, but no Drakul, really just about nobody new.

2.  Book was waaaayyyy to wordy.  I think a good 25% of the book was summarizing what had happened in the previous 15 books, short stories, or graphic novels.  Telling readers what they already knew if they have read the entire series.  It really made especially the first half of the book a slog.  I found myself skipping whole pages on the first read through as he dropped the same summaries of people we know or things that have happened before into this book that he dropped into previous books (or at least it sure felt that way).  By the BAT Jim is going to have to decide if he is writing for readers of the series or not, because if he continues to write each book so it can be read by a new reader, its going to be 75% summaries of previous books and only 25% new text, and I'm not sure I can take that.

3.  Murphy drove Thomas and Lara to the boat after meeting them outside.  That put very strong moral restrictions on activities for no reason Lara would accept.  Why wouldn't Lara have arranged her people to pick up Thomas and take him to the boat in a limo - a limo with 3-4 women in the back for Thomas to feed upon immediately?  She knew he was being treated badly while being held, she could assume he would need to feed. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ebenezar and Harry (peace talks spoilers)
« on: July 17, 2020, 02:54:29 PM »
Eb is certainly a bossy guy, but this uncontrollable rage against the white court seems new and deux ex machina in my opinion.  We know He shouldn't be having such rage issues because:
1.  When Harry soulgazed him he saw a big steady oak, not something that readily loses itself to rages and angers.
2.  One of the key things he taught Harry was how to deal with his anger, so the idea that he is such a total fail at it here is out of character
3.  He was trusted by the previous black staff wielder enough to be given the blackstaff.  You don't give permission to kill at will to someone who has those kind of rage issues.
4.  He obviously didn't have these rage issues when he sat down at a friggin dinner party with his daughter, Papa Raith, and a member of the red court.  Sure, he said no to their proposal, but he was polite and his own friggin daughter thought there was a chance he would say yes.  If he had had these issues then there would have been no way she would have even tried inviting him to that dinner.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Battle Ground Resources [Peace Talks Spoilers]
« on: July 17, 2020, 02:45:41 PM »
How long was the book, compared to others in the series?

Counting only new text, or also old?  I mean, I think a good 25% of the book was summarizing what had happened in the previous 15 books, short stories, or graphic novels.  Telling readers what they already knew if they have read the entire series.  It really made especially the first half of the book a slog.  I found myself skipping whole pages on the first read through as he dropped the same summaries of people we know or things that have happened before into this book that he dropped into previous books (or at least it sure felt that way).  By the BAT Jim is going to have to decide if he is writing for readers of the series or not, because if he continues to write each book so it can be read by a new reader, its going to be 75% summaries of previous books and only 25% new text, and I'm not sure I can take that.

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