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DF Reference Collection / Re: Current DR wardens
« on: April 13, 2016, 10:29:52 PM »
Quote from: Lawgiver on April 13, 2016, 05:30:04 PM
Good list.  I'm most interested in #2.  It's an axiom that power rests best in hands that do not want it.  Those that want it are far more likely to abuse it.  I'd not be surprised if Rashid and Eb got their positions "by accident", meaning they did not seek them out, rather had it thrust upon them, so to speak.  The same seems to hold for Harry and DR.

I agree.

The same could be said to have happened with Harry and the Swords and Harry and the relics from Hade's vault.

It seems as though once you attract the attention of the greater Powers you either get squashed flat or you get co-opted in some fashion by them.  Guys like Eb, Rashid and Harry are the rare ones who both caught the attentions of those beings and managed to survive it.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Current DR wardens
« on: April 13, 2016, 02:34:38 AM »
It is never made clear.

I got the impression that the wizards who were present at CI composed the vast majority of the wizards who know that Harry is the Warden of Demonreach. 

My guess is that maybe half of the Senior Council (3 or 4 wizards) plus another half dozen senior wizards who are in the Grey Council.

Less than a dozen wizards total.

The two highest ranking wardens (Luccio and Morgan) don't appear to have known the truth about the island.  So if half the Senior Council and the leaders of the wardens don't even know then it must be one hell of a secret.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Current DR wardens
« on: April 13, 2016, 01:34:20 AM »
Quote from: Beldon on April 13, 2016, 12:58:32 AM
Side note: is the WC fully aware of what Harry did or still just rashid be and listens to wind?
I like the idea that they just blunder into these positions or are forced to actively seek them.

The Senior Council is aware that Harry claimed the island since three of them were there during the battle during Turn Coat.  It was clear that Ancient Mai did not know about the Well or Harry being the Warden (she just thought that Harry claimed some dark island), Listen's to Wind never indicates one way or another if he knows the island's true purpose and Eb's journal entry makes its clear that both Eb and Rashid know the true purpose of the island and implies that Langtry knows as well.

Vadderung says that the Grey Council members who showed up at Chichen Itza were aware of the island's purpose and that they knew that Harry was the Warden of the Well.

Knowledge of the island's true purpose seems to take 'need to know' to an entirely different level. :)

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Current DR wardens
« on: April 13, 2016, 12:37:43 AM »
Quote from: Serack on April 12, 2016, 07:59:55 PM
I see the reason as two fold.
  • The DR Warden mantle is so Oh S***! powerful and dangerous that the leadership on the council probably prefers to see it left vacant unless there is some dire need otherwise.  Merlin seemed to have gone rather ape when he took it up after all.
  • Judging by what some more informed people said to Harry before he got the full job description, it's not likely a fully informed and sane person would take up the position voluntarily.

The Gatekeeper's comments about "a bit of questionable attention from the Fates," as well as some of Jim's comments about the Blackstaff being chosen based off of who is willing to put up with the horrible ethical nightmares it comes with imply to me that filling these enigmatic Capitalized White Council positions is problematic.

I always got the feeling that the White Council sort of gets the powerful and secret wizard positions (Gatekeeper, Blackstaff, Warden of the Well) chosen for them for multiple reasons.

1)  they require unique and uniquely powerful wizards.

2)  the White Council hides their existence from its own members so most prospects are those who either stumble upon the positions or seek them out against the will of the White Council.

3)  greater powers tend to get involved (the Fates, whoever maneuvered Harry to the island, etc.)

4)  the types of wizards crazy enough to willingly take on these roles are not likely to be yes men or strictly uphold White Council doctrine.

If I had to guess I would say that probably nearly as many people had strokes when Eb took up the Blackstaff as did when Harry took up the mantle of the Warden of the Well.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Meta concept of how the DF will/is playing out [CD, MM and BAT Spoilers]
« on: July 14, 2013, 11:51:03 AM »
Quote from: knnn on July 12, 2013, 01:06:32 PM
Actually, I was talking about the storage rental space Harry hides Michael in.  The back wall of the storage room "coincidentally" opens up directly onto a "way".

Heck, what about Harry's basement?   You've got to assume that anyone stepping into the NN from there had to run into Lea's garden, otherwise what's the point?  How about Corpsetaker's NN defences?  If a portal opens to a different place depending on which wizard opens it, how can you ever have a single point of defence?

Within the personal demesne of a power it seems likely that they can enforce local rules and restrictions upon the fabric of said territory.

All of the areas that you mention are likely bits of territory that are shaped and ruled by the willpower and magic of powerful beings.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [SERIES SPOILRS] Wow there is a lot to learn from some research on Tam Lin
« on: April 28, 2013, 03:18:51 AM »
Right after the release of Cold Days there was a good thread.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [SERIES SPOILRS] Wow there is a lot to learn from some research on Tam Lin
« on: April 26, 2013, 01:08:41 AM »
He certainly isn't a vanilla mortal.

It would be pretty hard for a mortal who wasn't a wizard to live long enough to be known to so many of the ancient powers that have acknowledged him AND to be long since retired and still looking 40 something.

Personally I don't think that a retired Knight (of the Cross or of the Sidhe courts) would fit either though I am willing to admit that it is technically possible.

I still think that he is some sort of supernatural being that gave up his powers and is attempting to live a human life, even if he isn't technically a human.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [SERIES SPOILRS] Wow there is a lot to learn from some research on Tam Lin
« on: April 24, 2013, 10:11:12 PM »
Quote from: Seidmadr on April 24, 2013, 10:04:55 PM
Hmm. Now that you call me on it I can't honestly find where I read it. In retrospect, I think I might've mixed it up with the Egyptian gods and their connections to beer.

Pretend that I didn't say anything.

There are beings with links to brewing and beer in most cultures.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [SERIES SPOILRS] Wow there is a lot to learn from some research on Tam Lin
« on: April 23, 2013, 03:08:19 AM »
The lore is varied and unreliable, so far as I can tell.

I could have sworn that I had heard a story about some of them failing in their duties as Watchers but not going so far as to interfere with mankind either.  That they basically lost interest in their duties and failed them but that they didn't really cross the Rubicon so they wound up in some sort of limbo (probably not a capital L limbo) while awaiting eventual judgement.

Regardless of which variation you based the theory upon, it seems as though it could be made to work.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [SERIES SPOILRS] Wow there is a lot to learn from some research on Tam Lin
« on: April 23, 2013, 02:01:08 AM »
I still prefer the Gregori angle.

There isn't enough evidence to prove anything one way or the other but until something else comes along I think that the Gregori theory is the most likely.

Angels already have a lot of restrictions on interfering.  An angel who 'fell' for refusing to get involved when ordered to do so and who was somehow pardoned seems like someone who might be REALLY restricted in their ability to take action or get involved in events.


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DF Reference Collection / Re: [SERIES SPOILRS] Wow there is a lot to learn from some research on Tam Lin
« on: April 22, 2013, 03:09:30 AM »
Quote from: Griffyn612 on April 22, 2013, 12:56:51 AM
It was Mac's speech about fatherhood, combined with the description of Mab just staring down at Mac in CD, that invoked the father/daughter idea.

This is right off the top of my head and I haven't thought out the details but wouldn't Mac/Tam Lin being one of Mab's former lovers (and perhaps the father of one of her daughters) account for that?

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [SERIES SPOILRS] Wow there is a lot to learn from some research on Tam Lin
« on: April 21, 2013, 08:19:09 PM »
Calling Lea a 'maiden' is stretching it a bit. ;)

Interesting 'deeper' research into Tam Lin though.  My own research was limited to what I could quickly google.

I think that Jim dropped a mention of Tam Lin for two reasons - to show that the most capable knights are independent and piss Mab off and also to show that the mantle can be set aside eventually.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD Spoils] Golden Light
« on: April 09, 2013, 10:04:45 PM »
I could see Lasciel being symbolized by a golden light, before her fall, for sure.

Most of the ways that she represented herself to Harry seemed to invoke classical angel themes - even if she was no longer worthy of them.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD Spoils] Golden Light
« on: April 06, 2013, 03:00:35 AM »
Maybe the golden white light represents faith magic on some fundamental level, not just WG related magic?

Normally Harry's use of faith magic is limited to powering his amulet against supernatural beings. 

The confrontation in his mind with Sharkface is sort of the first moment that Harry finally accepts and embraces his duty and his purpose in the greater scheme of things.  Starborn, Warden, Winter Knight, Uriel's champion, etc.

So maybe the light symbolized some internal power.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD spoilers] Proven Guilty
« on: April 02, 2013, 02:39:12 AM »
Quote from: Elegast on December 14, 2012, 09:49:35 PM
Assumption. It's based on Lea saying 'all of winter', and this WOJ which is quite explicite:

This could easily be a situation where Jim was forced to lie or fudge the truth in order to avoid a huge spoiler.

The 40,000 troops protecting the heart of winter could easily be what he was referencing at that point since only Jim himself knew about the troops at the Outer Gates.

Even after Cold Days I had never considered the possibility that the troops at the Outer Gates had left their posts.  It just seems so stupid and foolish that I can't imagine that it was possible.

If Mab would sacrifice all of Winter in order to protect the Outer Gates then how would the forces at the Outer Gates possibly justify leaving to defend Arctis Tor unless Mab specifically ordered it?

I have a feeling that the forces out there would stay at their posts while both the mortal world and Faerie fell into ruins if it came to that.

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