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DF Reference Collection / Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« on: February 27, 2015, 06:30:51 AM »
Odin was at the focus of his power, just like Arctis Tor is for Mab or Demonreach for Harry...its their sanctums. But Naagloshii, unless otherwise provided for, steadily lose power when away from their native lands. The other three would not, they just wouldn't be at their absolute most powerful 24/7 away from those places that's all. So its still very different.

WOJ says that powerful beings only send a whisper of their power through to the mortal world so that they don't damage it. We see from Mab that her continued presence makes winter stick around longer, and that Ferro isn't in his true form because it would crack the earth.
Vadderungs place of power was in the mortal world, aka Midguard, but myth puts his place of power as Valhalla in Asgard (ie part of the Never Never). So if Odin is truely powerful to challenge Mab, and we know that the Erlking leading the Wyld Hunt with a few Denarians haven't got a chance in hell against her, than he can't be on earth at full power or he would be impacting the world in a discernable way. Remember that even Shagnasty disrupted the world enough for Harry to sense it and Odin should be vastly more powerful than it.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« on: February 27, 2015, 05:52:01 AM »
I'll agree that Vadderung seems to be a lesser form of Odin.  But I'm not sure they're so easily divided.  We saw Vadderung at the seat of his power, and Vadderung's power is directly tied to Odin.  He has Odin's ravens, he has his troops, he uses Odin's eye as his symbol.  It seems more like Odin became Vadderung as his power waned.  He's not what he once was.  He's probably still packing more than what we've seen, but as we've seen him take the field with Gungnir, I think he's still definitely what's left of Odin.

We saw him at the seat of his power in Midgard I think, Odin's seat of power was in Valhalla as far as I know.

It may be that Odin can only dwell in Asgard, and that if he wants to dwell on earth for long, he needs to leave behind most of his power. Thus Vadderung.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« on: February 26, 2015, 10:02:56 PM »
Never heard that one.  Can't even see how Odin could hope to stand up to Mab.

I don't remember where it is, but it was within the last couple of years.
Some people argued that as Odin is a god renowned for foresight that he could plan something that Mab couldn't counter, my theory was that we haven't seen Odin at full power, only as Kringle and Vadderung. There is another WOJ that Vadderung enjoys being in the mortal world, subject to people trying to take him out. So my idea is that Vadderung is Odin without his Odin or Kringle powers so that he can live in the mortal world without causing cracks in reality, kinda like Ferrovax boasting that his full form would crack the earth.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« on: February 26, 2015, 09:50:41 PM »
Agreed. There is woj that mab is too smart to attempt to abuse the relationship.

On the other hand there is also a quote that no knows who would win in a fight between Odin and Mab, but that everyone knows it is coming IIRC. So presumably either Mab is eventually going to abuse the relationship, or maybe Odin has plans that don't include Mab being around.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Deirdre's Coin [Possible Spoilers]
« on: December 13, 2014, 07:43:22 PM »
Nic and the fallen are known liars and cheats, Shiro mentions that they cheated in accords sanctioned duels, the idea that the immortal world will suddenly not trust him doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

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  Or it has and that will be just one more surprise that gets sprung on us in the future.. :o

While anything is possible, until we see some sign that he is nutso I'll take this as evidence that the WC is correct
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When Eb does his "Laying of the Cattle move" at the major battle near the end of Changes, is that a power of the blackstaff?
The Blackstaff is what keeps that kind of thing from driving him insane and turning him into a giggling villain.  Yah you don't go messing with black magic in the Dresden Files, it's very very bad for you.  At the same time, Magic is something that happens because you truly believe that when you set out to do it that you should be able to do that sort of thing.  That says a few things about Eb that really Harry hasn't run into in any other forum other than right there.  Yah Poor guy, He's got a tough job. 

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It is possible, but somehow I doubt it.  The unraveling that Mother Winter gave Harry came from a piece of knitting that she was doing from yarn that came from her spinning wheel. The symbolism of that was too direct.  I just do not see her walking stick having the same power.

I'm not trying to say that her staff is specifically the same as the unravelling she gave to Harry, but that her nature as "The Unmaker, The Destroyer" when it interacts with the black magic taint on humans prevents it from having a lasting impression. I don't know, but the WC at least seems to believe its nature protects Eb. Given that he has had it for quite some time and hasn't turned into a deranged lunatic would suggest that they are right.

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So if this is true, in spite of all the protections from using the Black Staff,  Eb is running a risk to himself..

I don't think it means that, just because it has one effect for mortals doesn't mean it has the same effect for immortals. Perhaps it is an effect of MW's ability to unravel magic, in this case it unravels the taint from mortals?

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Perhaps, but was she a wielder of black magic?  Is wielding black magic different for immortals than it is for mortals?

I dont think that black magic has any effect on immortals as one of their major traits is that they are unalterable (except by Nemesis), while black magic is something that alters humans. Humans can be altered because we have free will and thus are easily impacted by bad magic.

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This raises another question.

Sure, a wizard dropping a building with the express purpose to kill someone is bad (Cosmically tainting), but what if a wizard is hired to demolish an empty building. Without the knowledge of the wizard, someone else uses that opportunity to kill their enemy by placing their victim inside that building. What kind of karmic balanced are to be levied in that case?

A case similar to this happened in GP. When Harry unleash his great fire spell at Bianca's party, he is targeting vampires. Unfortunately, several human were caught in the crossfire. So far, we did not see any taint happened on Harry for that act. I mean, Harry seems to remain sane enough after that.

This challenges the assumption that only consequences matters. I think intentions matters as well and both intentions and consequences both carries their own weight and functions independantly from each other. You intends bad but your act did no lasting harm, you got a little tainted. You don't intend harm but the act cause major harm, you got tainted. You intends harm and you succeeded, express way to worlockdom.

We don't actually know if Harry killed these people, or if the vampires had killed them prior to his spell.

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Probably because Jim has said that the highest level beings can't be considered mad because they are able to rewrite reality to match their own perceptions. Based on the idea that upper level magical is just a logical progression from lower level magic, all magic rewrites reality in some way. That's the closest thing that I can think of.

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but from this you consider the survival of homo sapiens to be more important then the survival of earth itself?

that's  a very... human... point of view.

The term "evil" is a human point of view ;D

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@Griffyn--son of a (expletive expletive expletive). You're right. About 2 seconds after I got the reasoning of your argument about the energy at DR being an interaction with its wards I forgot it when replying to Hollorr. Since I do not currently have dementia, my only excuse is that the temporal echoes thing from an altered timeline makes so much intuitive sense to me it creeps back in when it shouldnt. My bad.
AWWW thanks Griffyn...just when someone says good point..../cry....lol
Anyway both Ms.duck and a few people are hung up about the free will taken away by time traveling...okay there was this movie my grandmother has and I can't remeber the name...I will try to find the name of it, but the whole point of the movie is about a group of archaeology people of medieval times...they go back in time to go save the main toon father from death...but anyway at the very end of the movie, they are heading back to their time in the middle of the battle and 1 stays..he makes a choice to stay behind and it doesn't affect the past or future because it's already happen.....same thing if harry choose to go back in time because of some reason. Harry in the future makes an choice to go back..key point Harry could or won't go back in time at that time he could make a choice...He could for say no and then, well die if the TTH is true but he could say yes of his own free will...I Just don't see harry going back to just save himself...maybe someone else yes but not just going to save his own hide.
IF the TTH is true there must be alot more story then that.
or as someone said a few post ago, it could be a harry from another timeline/ is trying to save himself in another time...kind of like how the Chronicles of Nick series alot of people are saying is what is happening in the series so...anyway sorry for the long post.

Michael Crighton's Timeline?

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DF Reference Collection / Re: mythological figures we'd like to see
« on: January 10, 2013, 02:39:18 AM »
I wonder what type of Fae the Nuckelavee is a Sidhe of (I'm assuming it's a Sidhe because all the extremely powerfull Fae we've been shown are Sidhe). Is it even a Fae? It doesn't seem to share any traits in common with the Fae as described in the Dresdenverse, maybe in-universe people were just confused?

The Erlking is an extremely powerful fae but refers to sidhe as being an entirely different group of beings than himself. I think Sidhe are only those high ranking members of the two Courts.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: mythological figures we'd like to see
« on: January 08, 2013, 09:48:21 PM »
Artemis goddess of the hunt. I've got a WAG that the Erlking is actually Orion the hunter so that would be interesting to see Jim's would take on that.
Also Hercules as he was always my favourite hero.

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