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DF Reference Collection / Re: Deirdre's Coin [Possible Spoilers]
« on: December 17, 2014, 04:46:22 AM »
I wonder if now as an official breaker of the accords, does than mean they are an enemy of both winter and summer? so harry could draw upon fairy back up to deal with them in the future.

I started a new thread to deal with that very issue.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Deirdre's Coin [Possible Spoilers]
« on: December 16, 2014, 05:36:35 PM »
Okay, I'd forgotten that Mab said that explicitly.  Point conceded.

That is very gracious.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Deirdre's Coin [Possible Spoilers]
« on: December 16, 2014, 04:58:59 PM »
And what I'm saying is that Mab doesn't care if you shoot the ref.  She's MAB, for crying out loud, her idea of rehab is attempting to assassinate Harry once a day.  If the ref doesn't have the strength to take the bullet and give back as good as he got he has no business being a signatory.

If the ref is supposed to be off limits in the letter of the Law, how is it NOT a issue with Mab?  JB has been quite clear on that front.

Edited to add: I am not sure that the ref is off limits.  But then again, you can't be sure of that either, most likely.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Deirdre's Coin [Possible Spoilers]
« on: December 16, 2014, 04:18:10 PM »
I'm thinking that Small Favor was less of a violation because Accord members are expected to be capable of taking care of themselves.  If you don't have the muscle to back up your claim as an Accord member, then you're screwed, period.

This isn't throwing an elbow at a fellow boxer.  This is trying to shoot the referee.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Deirdre's Coin [Possible Spoilers]
« on: December 16, 2014, 03:48:53 PM »
The thing to remember about the Accords is there is the Letter of the Law only...there is no Spirit of the Law in the Accords, which is why exact words are so importiant to the supernatural.  Mab doesn't care what you do, as long as you follow the letter of the law in the Accords.

You break the LETTER of the law, and Mab puts you on her list of 'People to do Bad Things To'.  In Small Favor Nic and Co didn't just 'violate the rules of a duel' he frigging KIDNAPPED the Neutral Party requested to supervise the conflict and resolve it!  Then subjected said party to untold horrors and tortures.  Yeah, Nic didn't just kick a little sand in Mab's eye with that stunt, he pretty much hurled a huge ball of mud at her and dared her to come after him.

So Mab took her sweet time to line up her revenge, she knows that Nicklehead corrupted by Nemesis invaded her Stronghold, with the help of her corrupted DAUGHTER, as far as she cares Nic could be part of the 'Team Nemesis' and even if she's not.  Per the LETTER of the Accords he's the head of the Order ergo any crimes commited by the Corrupted Nickleheads are his crimes as well.  So she's got that beef with him as well.

Nic got very well bloodied in Skin Game, he lost allot of his previous advantages.  Mab most likely has sent word to the other Accords members that if Nic wasn't on the poison list before he is now!   But as others have said...he's alive and still has some resources and the grail so he'll be back.

If he broke the Accords in Small Favor, why didn't he already lose his reputation?  And IIRC, Nic said that he would treat fairly with Dresden UNTIL he got the Grail. 

So the violation was more Small Favor and not this.  Or am I misreading it?

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Deirdre's Coin [Possible Spoilers]
« on: December 13, 2014, 05:37:54 PM »
The one point to consider is that you can't use the Nic we've seen so far to predict how he will act in the future.

Consider that Nic now is in a much different place. His secret of how the noose can be used against him is out. Anduriel's power has been revealed, and with it, a way to counter one of Nic's biggest advantages. Nic's following has never seen him take it on the chin like that in their lives. Setbacks, yes, but not to that degree. Nic's standing among the supernatural set has taken a huge hit. He no longer has a favor he can call in from Mab. His two biggest Denarian supporters are either dead (Deirdre) or now bitterly opposed to him (Tessa). He has trespassed into the Vault of Hades and could conceivably be on Hades' list of People To Do Bad Things To.

Old Nic had his secrets intact, his followers (mortal and Denarian), his Marker with Mab, and his reputation. New Nic has none of that. He's going to be different now. How he is different, remains to be seen. He could become reckless, fearful, overly cautious, etc. It'll be interesting to see if/how Jim decides to shape Nic going forward.

These are good points.  I thought when Nick torqued off the Archive he was toast, particularly when you consider that his minions needed to write things down constantly to 'chat'.

I doubt any intelligent person interacting with him would think Nick had a 'reputation'.  He was a Fallen.

I am not sure that Tessa is fully against her husband. After all, she stood next to him after Deidre died at Michael's house.  Plus they aren't necessarily totally in the driver's seat.  The Fallen have a say in Nic and Tessa's choices.

BUT...Nick now has the Grail.  That has to mean something.  That he wanted MORE was never in doubt.  What he got was bad enough.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Deirdre's Coin [Possible Spoilers]
« on: December 13, 2014, 05:29:28 PM »
I hadn't considered this before.  You know the events of the end of Skin Game quickly spread amongst the fallen.  They (Nic and Anduriel) must have lost some serious credibility.

Do you think that the Fallen care that Nick broke his word to Dresden and Mab?  Not if he got the Grail as a result.

It is the OTHER supernatural entities which probably have the most problem.  But honestly, this was one of the least credible parts of the story.  It is not particularly believable that Nick did not betray his word many times in the past.  And a lot of his 'peers' are not monks trying to keep records.  They are long lived and Immortal beings!  They just remember.  So if Nick had ever done something like this, he was already toast credibility wise.

Or they ask the Archive perhaps what had been written about his before.  Cause she remembers EVERYTHING. (Another reason to take her out)


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