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Author Craft / Re: Dresden vs everyone in the Genre
« on: October 25, 2007, 03:05:39 PM »
... Wow

Gods I miss a day I miss a lot. ahh forum life.

My wife had the displeasure of skimming the posts over my shoulder just now, and I'll spare our fellow Forumites the series of four, five, and six letter words that came out of her mouth.

Biological differences aside, we are also talking about over 2,000 years of social identification to work against. I'm not saying it's impossible for a female author to think, or write, like a male one. I am saying that by the time one is old enough to read and write, they have been subject to the unwritten social standards of everyday society, whether directly or indirectly. I am not meaning this as a negative point, it's just an observation of the slight-but-there variations between male and female daily life.

we've come a long way from the paleolithic ideals of "Hunter/gatherer and childbearer". Socially women are on equal grounds with men. To demand that women think exactly like men is either A) Utopian and therefore doomed to fail, or B) pushing that women are still inferior to men on some level because they think differently.

I can't say I've read nearly as many books as many of you, so I am reserved to arguing on the biological/social grounds, and leave noting the differences between author X and author Y to those who have a larger Repertoire.

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Author Craft / Re: Dresden vs everyone in the Genre
« on: October 21, 2007, 04:56:47 AM »
I found the first few amusing, but as soon it seemed that I saw the bimbo genre (and more than just urban fantasy) everywhere, the more I tired of it.

I was using 'writing style' in a more full sense, applying it to the kinds of stories told, the types of characters, the descriptions, etc.

There have been many times I have been somewhat surprised to realize that an author was male or female, after reading a book of theirs. Not usually because the book gave me an impression of a gender...but rather the opposite, that the book did nothing to remind me of gender, it just hit upon humanity so perfectly that I forgot about shoving people into categories, and thus the reveal of the author's gender forced me to remember all the societal constructions that go along with it.


Are we discussing the gender of the author, or the gender of the authors creations? In books written in first person it's a real talent to avoid a gender Bias and write more than so many pages, eventually standard grammar or social practices will reveal it.

I honestly can't think of the last book I've read where the characters gender became a non-point in light of the greater story, I don't think I ever consider the characters' gender to be an issue unless it's brought up within the book (IE the "tough female" character being picked on by a bunch of big macho-male types because they think of her as weak).

As for the authors gender... If I like the story they could be a eunich from Saturn for all I care.

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Author Craft / Re: Dresden vs everyone in the Genre
« on: October 20, 2007, 08:39:50 AM »
I must strongly disagree. Very strongly. Your comments about cliched interests of women might be true if we were talking about what I think of as "bimbo urban fantasy" - ala undead and unwed, the sookie stackhouse books anymore, etc, but it can hardly be said of Kelley Armstrong or Rachel Kaine's books (i'm not going to defend Kim Harrison nor LKH because they're is a vibe they share and I dislike both of their series). The only one I can think to even slightly apply it to is the most recent Kelley Armstrong book- but let's face it, Jaime is superficially a bimbo.


I agree with your concept of "Bimbo Urban Fantasy", having read Undead and Unwed (as well as Undead and Unemplyed, Undead and Unappreciated, and Undead and Unreturnable). I actually enjoyed MaryJanice Davidsons works because they were so gloriously Shallow in a genre that naturally carries a certain level of depth.

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K.A.'s books seem much more realistic to me, with much more real characters. I love dresden to death, but let's face it, he... fits a mold, in a sense. He's a recognizable character. There aren't a ton of psychological layers there, but don't tell me he doesn't wallow in angst. And to a certain extent, it's necessary, because a good story will have drama and tension, and the characters will have feelings about things, otherwise it is quite, quite boring.


Dresden has some of the traits commonplace in the genre for sure. The whole "I have access to a lot of power, but I don't want it" is a pretty average flavor to books.

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Please. This is ridiculous to the extreme. men and women do not have such disparate writing styles that you can make such claims.


I agree fully, but we're not talking about the writing style, more of the main characters P.O.V. in the world.

There isn't a clear-cut line between male and female leads, Unless of course you're comparing Undead and Unwed and, say... Gil's all Fright Diner by A. Lee Martinez.

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Author Craft / Re: The first line
« on: October 18, 2007, 03:57:14 PM »
If you can stomach it, you can have it with my blessings. I simply exude that kind of junk. ;D


Thanks!

Gotta love when inspiration hits you right between the eyes. *goes off and begins writing*

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Author Craft / Re: The first line
« on: October 18, 2007, 03:46:48 PM »
One I've never seen used: "All this touchy-feely stuff was making my ass itch." If that doesn't catch your attention, nothing will. ;D

I would politely ask your permission, as the creative owner of that line, if I may write something starting with that line  ;D

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Author Craft / Re: The first line
« on: October 18, 2007, 03:24:22 PM »
I like the replies!  ;D

It seems there's a pretty even split between hooks and nets. So what are the thoughts on ending lines? same rules apply? if the entire book is good, then the last line can be "neh.." or does it have to be a good sendoff?

.. and yes blgarver, "The man in black fled across the desert, and the Gunslinger followed" counts as an awesome last line too  :P

My favorite ending line in a book is "In the Dawn of a new world, Damien Vryce smiled". Mucho Brownie points to anyone who knows the book.

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Darkest Hours / Re: Another Spidey novel?
« on: October 17, 2007, 05:18:35 PM »

I find it highly ironic that it's SAM FREAKIN' RAIMI who dropped that ball.

heh.. "Groovy"

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Author Craft / The first line
« on: October 17, 2007, 04:47:17 PM »
OK, something that has been bugging me since my creative writing class way back my first year of college. Figured I'd ask it here.


How much weight do you think the first line of a book carries?

Jims books have never failed to have a seriously awesome first line/paragraph that locks me into the book until it's done. and my Teacher in Creative Writing was practically a nazi regarding the first line (in fact the only reason I passed the class was she liked my first lines)

in the spirit of the topic, I subject a few the the first sentences from my stories....


"It is a little known fact that dragons like to snuggle."
"What the h#!! is it with Vampires and S&M clubs?!"
"At what point does the human mind break?"
"One would think magic coming back into the world would be a great thing."
"I would not think that, waking up this morning, that today would be the last day of my life on earth."

thoughts/suggestions? maybe toss a few of your first lines out?

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Author Craft / Re: Dresden vs everyone in the Genre
« on: October 17, 2007, 04:27:18 PM »
Male or female isn't really the issue.  I just want to be able to relate.
Thanks for the advice. 

actually I have to admit a major factor that got me into Dresden was the fact that he's male.

Don't get me wrong or take me for a sexist. Even as a hip, modern, sensitive 21st century guy, there's a lot of things in books with a female lead I just have to take the authors word on.

With Dresden it's like "he's noticing a womans chest! I do that!!"

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Author Craft / Re: Easier Way to find a good plot?
« on: October 10, 2007, 01:52:27 AM »
Maybe combine a couple of plot ideas and see what spawns?

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