Do you mean similarities and coincidences of word choice in description rather than irony? I’m not seeing irony.One day, ONE DAY, he will no longer have any more of his original storyline to protect and maybe then he'll open up on all those things short sighted people missed. The breadth and depth of combining pop culture and mythologies from across the globe would get it a pass even if it wasn't magnificently layered and set up. A 20 book preplanned series that actually made it to fruition in the main stream? That gives it so much bona fides.
Personally, I would find such small universe loops to be boring. Let the universe, which is already small, not collapse in on itself. Also, Butcher’s writing is not exactly high art. That he repeats phrases and words is probably more a function of churning out the stories and a pretty short editing process. You can find a lot of sentences and paragraphs in the books that cry out for further editing. And, some authors just have favourite words; look at Stephen R Donaldson with his “roynish” and “gloaming”.
I think Murphy is Murphy and Mab is Mab and that you’re seeing things that aren’t there.
One day, ONE DAY, he will no longer have any more of his original storyline to protect and maybe then he'll open up on all those things short sighted people missed. The breadth and depth of combining pop culture and mythologies from across the globe would get it a pass even if it wasn't magnificently layered and set up. A 20 book preplanned series that actually made it to fruition in the main stream? That gives it so much bona fides.I didn’t say the story was bad, but rather that Butcher is not a great writer. The first few books amaze me in that they got published at all given how bad they are. His writing has improved over the years, but that’s not saying they are *good* now. The story is fun, but it’s not well written. There is a difference between an entertaining story and good writing. Butcher has an entertaining story in the Dresden Files and that’s why I buy the books despite the writing. (Though, if not for a friend insisting that the story was worth trudging through the first books, I would have stopped pretty early in book one.)
fyi- an maybe a curator would know where it originally came from, because I first heard it from Serack, Jim intentionally uses words to cross connect idea's. Someone did a thread on the blackmagic/ N connection words iirc.
Bah, can someone help me find the WOJ that Mab wasn't always so big :). I distinctly remember Jim stating something like that with a smiley alluding to Mab being a dew drop faerie, or at least something consistent with Shakespeare, at least in humor. I liked to take it as Jim hinting at Murphy being Tiny.
“I’m saying many things,” Mother Summer said. “Do you have a chance to remain yourself despite the tendency of the mantle to mold your thoughts and desires? All Knights, Winter and Summer, have that chance. Most fail.”
“But it’s possible,” I said.
She looked up at me and her eyes were deeper than time. “Anything is possible.”
“Ah,” I said, understanding. “We’re not really talking about me.”
“We are,” she said serenely, turning her eyes away. “And we are not.”
“Uh,” I said. “I’m getting a little confused here. What are we talking about, exactly?”
Mother Summer smiled at me.
And then she just clammed up.
We are? We’re not?
2015 AMA
Is Nic older than Mab?
He is.
FitzMelech: @longshotauthor Is Rashid the mad Arab Abdul Alhazred?
Jim: @FitzMelech He's the guy who took /down/ AlHazred.
Sarks: You have said that the Gatekeeper took down the Mad Arab, Abdul Alhazred. Is that Gatekeeper the same one we have currently? If yes, is he really that old, or was it time travel?
Jim: 3) He's really that old. And we're all time travelers. We just happen to be on the slow boat.
Question, prior to CD, were Mab and Murphy ever in each other's presence or has Mab ever made reference to Murphy? While I believe that Mab knew of Murphy and her ties to Harry, I don't think that Mab credited her with much significance.
Mab placed her gloved hand on my wounded one, and a sudden spike of sheer, vicious cold shot up through the injury like a frozen scalpel before lancing up my arm, straight toward my heart.
No offense intended to you, Raidem; you aren't simply throwing this out there with no reasonable evidence. There are parallels between Murphy and Mab to be drawn. I just don't think they indicate time travel.I understand; And, thank you. I've struggled with the theory too. I've entertained one that doesn't need time travel, that Murphy becomes Mab in the future or alternate reality not distant past. It's definitely less cumbersome.
QuoteDid you just time travel to make your point? scary!QuoteNo offense intended to you, Raidem; you aren't simply throwing this out there with no reasonable evidence. There are parallels between Murphy and Mab to be drawn. I just don't think they indicate time travel.No offense intended to you, Raidem; you aren't simply throwing this out there with no reasonable evidence. There are parallels between Murphy and Mab to be drawn. I just don't think they indicate time travel
She wiped at her mouth and looked at her watch. She tucked the last of her sandwich between her lips, and then started resetting the watch while she chewed.
“Gone almost exactly twenty-four hours. So we did some kind of time travel?” she asked.
“Oh, God no,” I said. “That’s on the list of Things One Does Not Do. It’s one of the seven Laws of Magic.”
“Maybe,” she said. “But however it happened, a whole day just went poof.
That’s time travel.”
“People are doing that kind of time travel all the time,” I said. “We just pulled into the passing lane for a while.”
She finished setting the watch and grimaced. “All the same.”
I frowned at her. “You okay?”
She looked up at the children and their mother. “I’m going to have one hell of a time explaining where I’ve been for the past twenty-four hours. It isn’t as though I can tell my boss that I went time traveling.”
“Yeah, he’d never buy it. Tell him you invaded Faerieland to rescue a young woman from a monster-infested castle.”
“Of course,” she said. “Why didn’t I think of that?”
I grunted. “Is it going to make trouble for you?”
She frowned for a moment and then said, “Intradepartmental discipline, probably.
QuoteMoved from Spammed Thread.If I don't have them, nobody does lol.
maybe it could be all the missing clues I need for my Mab=Murphy theory.
[4:37 PM] raidem: I had this question, and some of my theories depend on it. I assumed Mab's mantle morph's her original appearance to that of Mab's mask over a period of time. We know from Bob that Molly over time will be similar in behavior to Maeve as the mantle tends to bend the individual in that given direction. Is there a similar bend in one's physical appearance over time too?
[4:46 PM] raidem: Lily's hair changed upon becoming Summer Lady "Her hair had been pulled back into a ponytail. And it had turned snow white." in SK
[4:50 PM] raidem: And if I hadn’t known better, if I hadn’t known Lily’s features well enough to be sure it was her, I would have sworn that I was looking at Aurora, the Summer Lady I’d murdered at the stone table. [CD]
“I didn’t want the world. I didn’t want vast riches, or fame, or power. I wanted a husband. Children. Love. A home that we made together. And that can never happen now.” The tears fell, and as the heat, the fury, came back into her voice, the fire gathered around her again. “Because of you. Because you killed Aurora. Because you made me into this. You raise your hand against my champion, my friend, and when you are defeated you dare tell me what I must and must not do?”I think Lily has similar issues regarding mating and having children. She even says so.
Near the end, Mab is in full judge mode, who is she judging?
-EG-The Archive 2 points 12 hours ago
Nic. And Harry to some degree.
Raedem2 1 point a minute ago...Now go back to Murphy's bedside you dupe and make out with her again, because I liked it.
Maybe herself too. (If I go with my theory Mab=Murphy, then she is like how dare my younger self lose to Nic in a sword fight, end up breaking the Sword of Faith, and be outmaneuvered by Nic in manipulating ME) I'm in judge mode right now because my emotions are in a roil over these same events that happen now, but also for me 1000+ years ago as Murphy. And, I'm stung, but like...Justice is finally served, NIC.
Can we get a break down of the biological relationships between the various Fae Queens we have seen on screen? Of particular interest - Maeve and Sarissa, were they actually Mab's kids (biological sense)? If so, who was Mab's baby daddy?I will break down the WOJ into two parts, from least complicated to most complicated with respect to my theory that Mab=Murphy, and then attempt to explain them.
Mab and Titania are actual twin sisters.
Maeve and Sarissa were twin sisters, from Mab. Their father was an Austrian composer and musician who died young.
Maeve and Sarissa were twin sisters, from Mab. Their father was an Austrian composer and musician who died young.Note (Mab=Murphy) This requires Murphy to parent a set of twins with an Austrian composer and musician. She names them Maeve and Sarissa. She knows that Nemesis will likely get to Maeve, given her history on Demonreach in the future, her past, and for whatever reason (time travel paradox) still names them those same very names. She proceeds with plans to prevent this from occurring and despite all she does, it still happens.
Mab and Titania are actual twin sisters.This one is the most problematic. I can explain it away a few different ways.
I was wondering if Mab was the first Winter Queen?(*Mab=Murphy) This requires Murphy to be a Winter Lady, choose Lea to be her handmaiden. It seems "same thing" with Titania suggests our Titania (perhaps Murphy's twin) was Summer Lady. Both ascended in an event that took out the Mab and Titania of the time. And somehow both our Mab and Titania are skittish around Harry. With Mab, it's more about considering him an enemy. So, did Harry or something like Harry orchestrate, or directly take out, the prior Queens? They really have a hyperfocus on Harry personally, even before it seems Storm Front. It might have to do with what he was born to be.
No. Mab was not the first Mab. Mab was originally Winter Lady, and Lea was her Jenny Greenteeth. She was her sidekick and handmaiden. And so when Mab got promoted Lea did too. So she got to be much more powerful and awesome. But that was a while back. When that happened. And the same thing with Titania. The Winter Queens actually died. The last time things got awful in the wizard world. So things are about to get awful in the wizard world again and they're a bit nervous. They're a bit nervous about Dresden. Well, Titania is very nervous about Dresden. Mab is keeping her enemies close.
I see Mirror Mirror as an opportunity for Harry to get a broader understanding of the role he has played in people's lives, possible secret knowledge that is relevant to his world, and maybe an ace-in-the-hole object of power. Wizards hoard their secrets like dragons hoard their gold.
Mab tilted her dark glasses down, cat eyes on mine. "Wizard. Do you know the story of the Fox and Scorpion?"
I shook my head, looking away.
"Fox and Scorpion came to a brook," Mab murmured, her voice low, sweet. "Wide was the water. Scorpion asked Fox for a ride on his back. Fox said, 'Scorpion, will you not sting me?' Scorpion said, 'If I did, it would mean the death of us both.' Fox agreed, and Scorpion climbed onto his back. Fox swam, but halfway over, Scorpion struck with his deadly sting. Fox gasped, 'Fool, you have doomed us both. Why?' 'I am a scorpion,' said Scorpion. 'It is my nature.' "
"That's the story?" I said. "Don't quit your day job."
Mab laughed, velvet ice, and it sent another shiver through me. "You will accept this case, wizard. It is what you are. It is your nature."
GS Book Club / Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 46-FINISH **MAJOR SPOILERS**
« on: August 01, 2011, 11:31:53 AM »
I just was reading Fool Moon Ch. 20 and ran across the following regarding Harry meeting his subconscious and trying to get away from him.
My double slipped around me and got in my way before I could leave teh circle of light. "Hold it. You really don't want to do this." I'm tired. I feel like shit. I'm hurt. And what I really dont want is to waste any more time dreaming about you." I narrowed my eyes at my double. "Now get out of my way." I turned to my right and started walking toward the nearest edge of the circle. My double slipped in front of me again, apparently without needing to cross the intervening space. It isn't that simple, Harry. No matter where you go, there you are." End.
Now the above phrase "No matter where you go, there you are" is the same statement that Uriel tells Harry in Ghost Story when Harry says the following. "Just tell me something. Something useful. I'll be happy with whatever I get." He (Uriel) pursed his lips and thought about it for a moment. Then he said, "No matter where you go, there you are."
Ok. Now is Uriel wanting Harry to consult this "Subconscious Harry". It in my opinion seems that way.
still touches upon some kernel of truthYea... she even has a love triangle with her sister like Murphy and whatshername... and Mab an Titania did that time...
Nope peregrine, it just requires jim, a English major major with master's degree and several references to Shakespeare in woj, references to mab not being always so tall to conclude he knows where tiny but fierce comes from...Shakespeare.But when he uses "There you are" in which case it's all about everyone saying it knowing that Harry is a time traveling dimension hopper, and literally everyone but Harry knows that. Then it's all in character stuff and nothing to do with Jim as an author?
And he liberally uses it to describe Murphy, which in my mind at the least further connects in a circumstantial way Murphy with stories about faeries.
There would be an overlay. One reading without a time travel cycle, one with a cycle with that meaning yes.Yea.. his Doyalist and Watsonian often overlap in purposes.
There is something to wrap your head around. We are reading books written in the future in first person, present-tense.Here's something to Really wrap your head around, we're reading it as Harry remembers it, but not as it happens in the final timeline after MM or in it's originality O.o MM timeline is the original unaltered timeline, or Harry is a result of his own actions going back in time to change his own actions....
Sometimes I think I draw my thoughts from outer space; then, I read something here that makes me realize that I haven't even passed the the stratosphere. It's fun!The line between Genius and Crazy is a fine line indeed :) fun though.
CSMED: About the Mab/Murphy connection, I thought we had multiple quotes from Jim saying Murphy will not receive any kind of supernatural power up - that she stays just badass vanilla mortal. Even if it's nkt a theory I personally believe, I love the theorycraft that goes into it and I'm just curious how that is taken into account.
Raedem: Ooh, I'm glad you pointed that out. I had forgotten that WOJ. I think the woj was "Murphy already has a job, and she won't get any more powerups." I deal with that by saying, yes she already has a significant powerup; so Jim is being truthful from a point of view depending on where he stands on a timeline saying it. If Mab=Murphy, then that has already happened so, Murphy has a job and has already got her powerup even though she has yet to travel to her fate into the past. Jim is speaking faerie in the WOJ. I think the rest of your recall regarding Murphy "not receiving any kind of supernatural power up, that she stays vanilla mortal" follows from potential error in translating and perceiving his woj.
From Reddit:
Can someone help me find the WOJ that looks like this...
"Murphy already has a job, and she won't get any more powerups."
From Reddit:
Can someone help me find the WOJ that looks like this...
"Murphy already has a job, and she won't get any more powerups."
If JB's plan was to make Murphy into Man as a big reveal at the end of the series but he wasn't planning on giving her any powerups until that key moment, I can easily envision him giving that answer as truth "from a certain point of view."
Even though you write all these characters, have you ever had one that refused to do what you wanted it to?This is why Lea has so many hounds. The Murphy in Mab/Murphy is scared of big dogs.
No, because those people work for me. There are times when the characters don’t seem to be going as easily in a direction I want them to go. Often I will have to stop and take a look at what I’m doing since maybe the story has squirreled off in the wrong direction. Which is sometimes the case and I’ll have to rewrite. Often what I will do is I’ll go back and I’ll play Time Lord and go back and retool the character’s past to give them a good motivation to do what I want them to do.
Murphy was continually too much in the way in Fool Moon, for example. She kept trying to participate in what was going on and not in the adversarial way I needed her to, because she was essentially a minor villain in Fool Moon. It was not working out at all until I went back and tinkered with her backstory and Murphy has a paralyzing fear of big dogs. That was changing her opinions and put enough brakes on her that I could get her to slow down enough to let other people get killed instead of her.
But it also means that she wasn’t too sure about Mouse the first time she met him. She’s OK with him later on, because he’s a big dog that she doesn’t have to be afraid of, she trusts him despite that fear. But that’s all under-the-table stuff that I can’t write about because Murphy is not going to go up to Dresden and say, “I’m terrified of big dogs.” Because Dresden would make fun of her for being short and it’s not going to happen.
Q: Whenever Harry’s had a relationship it hasn’t worked out. Is there something big coming?
A: When you say ‘something big’, do you mean that in a positive sense, or…? Yeah there’s something big coming….poor Murphy…
@longshotauthor what part of peace talks are you writing RIGHT NOW!
@BigBentley15 Murphy's funeral.
Will we see Mrs. Murphy again?
Maybe? Maybe. We’ll have to see. That might work out.
What kind of magic does Chandler specialize in?
Chandler does a lot of Divination, and a lot of stuff that is involved with time. Which puts him in a very finicky spot, a very high profile spot on the council. It's one reason why he's a Warden where they can keep an eye on him. He can actually do things to screw with the flow of time and look back in time and find things out, and occasionally to look forward in time and see things. Although that's very unreliable because of the whole free will nonsense. He's an information gatherer for the most part. He's not as much of a punch you in the face type, but he's really really useful which is why he has got a lot of status among the young wardens. He's got access to what the old wizards think is valuable, which is information.
(Jim also says here that Chandler's hat and bowler look is based off of John Steed of the 1960's British Avengers show)
Quote from: Second Aristh on July 10, 2016, 04:00:36 PM
This is one of the more interesting new WoJ from yesterday. It's only fitting that the most British character in the DV so far is associated with time magic. In hindsight, we could have probably guessed this based off Doctor Who, Big Ben, and Jim's sense of irony.
So, based on this I'm going to make a WAG that Chandler will be Harry's companion/sidekick in the time travel book (crosses fingers in the hopes that it's titled Second Chance). While we're at it, it seems that Chandler as the British prisoner in Demonreach is a valid possibility as well if Chandler needed to wait out some time shenanigans.
Am I the only one that didn't realize that Chandler was part of the young faction of wardens?
You’ve introduced a couple characters that wear different faces and show up, and it’s not always easy to tell that they’re the same person such as Odin/Vadderung/Kringle. Are there other characters that you haven’t yet revealed that are wearing multiple faces that we have already seen multiple times?
I’m shocked that you would suspect such a thing of me sir! *I’m not gonna tell you*
Those are pretty much scattered all over the Dresden Files cosmos. You’ll see more as we go. There are a lot of characters that are there right now that aren’t who you think they are. We’ll have to see how it turns out, though.
In several books he’s been pierced with iron and it seems as if the mantle goes away but doesn’t actually. He’s in incredible pain because he’s been beaten up, but with long term exposure would his back go back to being normal?This occurred in the presence of Murphy. Mab viewing things through the eyes of Murphy? It should be noticed that as soon as Murphy and friends touched Harry to help him up, the Mab gave him the mantle back.
Well, somebody asked something similar a couple of nights ago. They pointed out that when Harry crossed Mab and Mab took the mantle away from him when he broke Winter Law that his back collapsed too, but his back didn’t collapse when he got pierced by iron. And I looked at him, and I said, “You’re right. That seems like an inconsistency. Like someone is lying or doesn’t understand the exact situation of things or something like that.” Then I said to him what I said to you, next question.
This is why Lea has so many hounds. The Murphy in Mab/Murphy is scared of big dogs.Erm? Lol, that's a good point for entirely other reasons.... I think Lea's scared of Murphy's judgement. She already had a tendency of shooting, Damning or otherwise pushing the perspective that rules the day(Butters in SG and Harry in WN to name a couple) even before Mab let Murphy Decide the day vs Maeve. I think people who have done wrong that even they can recognize have more to fear from Murphy than Harry.... and I think Lea, with all her 'be wary even of your protector' may have overstepped her bounds in insuring Harry had a Wintery upbringing, by killing Malcom O.o
Q: Cool, I think a lot of us will be excited to read that then. What, if any, tease can you give us for Peace Talks?
A: Peace Talks is all about the various signatories of the Unseelie Accords are having a convocation in Chicago to try and work out a way to settle down all the discord that's been happening due to the Fomor seizing power in the vacuum left behind by the Red Court. So, I believe what's going to happen is they're all going to get together, they'll have a nice dinner, they'll hash things out, and then have a coupla beers and sing some songs, and everything will be FINE. Cause, you know, I want to surprise everybody. Everybody's just looking for it to explode, and so on. This book is only set a couple of months after the end of the previous one [Skin Game], so, you know, Murphy's still undergoing surgeries and so on to get fixed because when you get hurt like that, it takes a long time to get better. When you're not some kind of superhuman, "I work for Queen Mab", living punching bag... Let's see, we'll get to see a lot of, more of Harry and Maggie; Mouse will be in this one, we'll get to see the White Council getting involved with things again, so we'll have them on stage.
WHERE DID YOU GET THE INSPIRATION FOR BOB ?This is confirmation that Murphy would often lead Harry with questions, Harry answers them. This was how Harry started writing his books. It was one tool he used in his toolbox.
The inspiration from Bob mostly came from me wanting to […] my teacher's notes. I told her - after I'd written the first series of the DF - or the first chapter of the first book - she read the chapter and said - Well, I think you've done it! I said "What?!" She said this is sellable. I think this will sell. What are you planning for next? And I'm like uh -uh - he's got to go talk to his - I've got to give him this assistant so that when the cops are around they'll be the dummies that he can explain things to - cause that's one of the principles of writing - it's the joy of idiocy - you always keep one dummy around to ask questions and have things explained to him and that's how you get the information to the reader in a more entertaining fashion.
So sometimes Murphy will be the dummy and then when there's something that Dresden needs to know he can go to this more nerdy assistant and the assistant will be the dummy - errr - and he'll be the dummy and the assistant will be the smart guy. And she's [i e his teacher] like okay - that works. Just dont make him a talking head.
If it’s not a spoiler, what’s Murphy doing for a paycheck these days?
Well, if you stop and think about it, I’m sure it will occur to you. Of course, she didn’t talk about it with Dresden.
PR: Now, in terms of your plotting, it's one of the things that I'm terribly jealous of, because I'm comfortable with my world-building and other elements of my writing, but there are a couple things that you do that just so thoroughly out-class me, and one of them is the plotting, where you write these books that have, in themselves, great, very tight, very satisfying plots, but it's not like a sit-com. With a lot of series, you have the rise, and the fall, and the action, and then at the end of it, it's like the Simpsons - nothing is ever going to change in any permanent way. But in your books, you break that tradition in the episodic fantasy. How do you do that?! Teach me!
JB: Okay, basically, when I think of a book, what I'm actually writing is, like, Harry Dresden's worst weekend of the year that year. That's pretty much what I've got in mind. And then, to do that, I've got to figure out what are going to be awful things I'm going to have happen to him, what are going to be the cool things that I'm going to get to do within the story, and then after I put that all together, then I spend a lot of time between the books thinking, “okay, what's going to be the fallout from what's happened?” That's one of the things I've always taken to heart very seriously, is that actions have consequences, and choices have consequences, and you've got to live with them. So for Dresden, that's one of the fun things to do is to stop and think about, “okay, now, this is what's been going on for the past six months, or eight months, or nine months, in the the Dresden universe. How is everybody who's actually in this book, how do they experience that?” Everyone has a slightly different experience based on who they are and what they bring to their point of view within the story. You know, Murphy experiences the world very differently from Dresden, very differently from Dresden's brother Thomas, and so on. It's mostly just a matter of sitting down and thinking it out, and figuring out, “how do they experience this? What kind of spin can I put on it that's going to make it a fun part of the story?”Murphy mostly gets crap at work as fallout from her stuff, but I killed Dresden at the end of Changes, so everybody had to sort of look around and suddenly realize “oh my gosh! Somebody shot the sheriff.” Who's going to be the one who's going to step into his boots, and nobody can, so we've all got to.
? Crazy-theory-discussion... WOJ: You've previously said that the Sidhe and Mab came from origins like Toot Toot and kind of took on responsibility and grew. You've also said that every single Fae have come from mortal origins like changelings and Scions and stuff. Could you reconcile these two apparently contradictory origins?
I could but I won't sing song I'm not gonna tell you.* The Sidhe were created for a reason though. They were created specifically by certain agents who no longer had as much influence on the world as they once did. I've hinted at that in some previous books and I'll leave it at that and I'll leave the rest to you. That's perfectly enough material to come up with fan crack theory. And fan crack theory is awesome. I love reading fan crack theory. I will go through occasionally and look at the crack theory boards, and it's like excellent. And occasionally its like 'ooh that's actually better than what I had planned..."(edited)
This is an excerpt of when Harry in Cold Days says "Screw Winter Law" and loses all access to the mantle as a result. Take note that Mab gave Harry back access to the mantle after Thomas, Butter, Murphy, Molly touched and helped Harry up but before he said "Maybe we won't screw Winter Law." I underlined two of the potentially important people where there may exist a coincidence in this situation. Also, it seems either via the mantle or within the room, Mab has Harry under surveillance.
Murphy didn't look like a monster-hunting Valkyrie. Murphy looked like someone's kid sister. She was five nothing, a hundred and nothing, and was built like an athlete, all springy muscle. Her blond hair hung down over her blue eyes, and was cut close in back.
Ok, I have a problem with this WOJ. Many theories are based off the belief that Jim agreed with what the questioner posed, namely that the "Sidhe and Mab came from origins like Toot Toot" or more particularly that "Mab came from origins like Toot Toot." The issue with that is Jim never said this in this WOJ, he never exactly said that in the WOJ that is similar to this. We only assume Jim agreed with the Mab was Toot Toot size, which we know is contradicted both by Mab was human once, and that the original Mab participated in an event along with other Queens to establish their base of power using the Stone Table. It is our faulty assumption that assumed Mab was ever Toot Toot size.
Other pertinent WOJ's that tie into argument.
Sidhe having Toot Toot like origins in general is correct.
Again, Toot gets big from influence in the world similar to the sidhe. Jim mentions Mab wasn't always as big as she is now. (I distinctly remember a smiley face here for some reason) Anyways, this is where people jump to the conclusion that Mab was a tiny fairie as Shakespeare once described. It's a faulty assumption. We now have WOJ- that says "Shakespeare didn't know what he was talking about." This was a general statement by Jim so not specific to any one thing but I think we can safely assume Shakespeare didn't accurately depict the nature of Faerie.
You are referring to this WOJ somewhat.
Yes, if Mab=Murphy true then Jim may be giving a clue to us, with ironic humor, that Mab's identity was a short/small one, aka Tiny. Some then didn't get the 'clue' and believed he meant Mab was Toot Toot like, I took it as a reference to Murphy instead. I like your explanation of how Murphy would grow in size. I view it, in combination with your explanation, as the Queen mantle altering Murphy's genetics, biology, to make her in fact the Mab archetype. It's sort of how Summer Lady mantle morphs Lily into looking like Aurora.
So, it could also explain why Maeve and Sarissa wouldn't look like Murphy necessarily. Murphy would have already been Mab 750+ years for the mantle to shape her genetics, biology. So her kids would look very close to an archetype of a Faerie Princess with the caveat that they had a mortal father. Therefore, her kids (Sarissa and Maeve) when they chose and while wielding a mantle wouldn't change so much in appearance as they had very strong exposure to Fae genetics.
Crap, I have to move this over to Mab/Ironies. Move discussion over there please.
How does Murphy go over a thousand years into the past?This is hard as it has many possibilities.
How does she find herself in a situation where she has enough Fae connection to assume a Queen Mantle?1) We don't know if she does/doesn't have fae roots. Molly was several generations distant and needed 'rehab' to make her into vessel.
How does she skip over being Lady or does she?1) Theory allows Murphy to become Mab in future without TT (Molly would have to give up mantle or ascend to Mother)
Does this tie into the twitter comment about him writing "Murphy's funeral?"My guess, Harry and Murphy talk about marriage, therefore "Murphy's funeral" is talked about.
Excerpt:So, Murphy would be Winter Lady, for how long I don't know (WOJ our Mab as a Winter Lady chose Lea to be her handmaiden). Her appearance would have to already begun to shift. And, then some sudden set of events that aligned with the last time things got awful in the wizarding world, it ended with at least both Mab and Titania dying, who else we don't know, which allowed our Mab, our Titania to assume the mantle of Queen roughly around the time of the Battle of Hastings. Around that time, Mab and Titania stop speaking. Give us 1000+ years and I don't think we can assume we would be able to identify that Murphy that had been Mab for 1000+ years is our Murphy. They'd look totally different. So, that is one thing my theory counts on, a mask for Queen Mab that camouflages her identity, which will stun us when it is revealed.
Not to derail off topic (Good heavens no.) But seeing as this is very heavy on Mab's timeline or potential timeline, I gotta ask a couple questions. I think I remember the answers, but if I'm even close to right, it brings up another important consideration.See this Post as it answer much of what you ask.
When did Mab move from Lady to Queen?
When were Maeve and Sarissa born?
When did Maeve become Lady?
When did Mab move from Lady to Queen?Around the time of the Battle of Hastings, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hastings
No. Mab was not the first Mab. Mab was originally Winter Lady, and Lea was her Jenny Greenteeth. She was her sidekick and handmaiden. And so when Mab got promoted Lea did too. So she got to be much more powerful and awesome. But that was a while back. When that happened. And the same thing with Titania. The Winter Queens actually died. The last time things got awful in the wizard world. So things are about to get awful in the wizard world again and they're a bit nervous. They're a bit nervous about Dresden. Well, Titania is very nervous about Dresden. Mab is keeping her enemies close.
When were Maeve and Sarissa born?I'd say somewhere between 1760-1790 at the earliest, this matches the birth and death of Mozart. So their birth with him being the father would be skewed somewhere to 1780's. We don't know exactly how old they are. We just know they were born to an Austrian composer.
When did Maeve become Lady?Prior to 1850. We have woj that Molly has a backlog of 150 years of jobs to do. That would suggest Maeve hadn't been doing some of what she was suppose to for 150 years.
Can we get a break down of the biological relationships between the various Fae Queens we have seen on screen? Of particular interest - Maeve and Sarissa, were they actually Mab's kids (biological sense)? If so, who was Mab's baby daddy?.
Mab and Titania are actual twin sisters.
Maeve and Sarissa were twin sisters, from Mab. Their father was an Austrian composer and musician who died young.
I was wondering if Mab was the first Winter Queen?
No. Mab was not the first Mab. Mab was originally Winter Lady, and Lea was her Jenny Greenteeth. She was her sidekick and handmaiden. And so when Mab got promoted Lea did too. So she got to be much more powerful and awesome. But that was a while back. When that happened. And the same thing with Titania. The Winter Queens actually died. The last time things got awful in the wizard world. So things are about to get awful in the wizard world again and they're a bit nervous. They're a bit nervous about Dresden. Well, Titania is very nervous about Dresden. Mab is keeping her enemies close
How does she find herself in a situation where she has enough Fae connection to assume a Queen Mantle?
1) We don't know if she does/doesn't have fae roots. Molly was several generations distant and needed 'rehab' to make her into vessel.
2) She has been at Arctis Tor, been in NN, fought several Fae, killed them, killed Winter Lady, trains with Einherjar whose Lord has a Mask of a Fae King (Kringle), knows that Immortals can be killed on Halloween, knows that Molly was shaped into a vessel for Lady...
There was one other person there who had been spending time with a powerful fae.
Who had a relationship with one that was deeper and more significant than a casual or formal acquaintance.
Whose life had been methodically, deliberately, and covertly reshaped for the purpose.
Who had been extensively prepared by one of the Sidhe.
Can a WCV become Fae? What do you think of the idea that every supernatural being: Fae, dragons, vampires, gods, werewolves, and Fomor are actually rooted in Outsiders that have been altered by our reality and diluted by time and generations? It is just a notion I have been toying with.
I understood it was a cross-dimensional plot, involving alternate worlds, not future and past versions of the same world.
Mirror Mirror does not involve time travel.
Cross-time is a early name for travel between alternate realites, (alternate histories), a sub-type of time travel according to wikipedia on time travel.
Since the 1950s, this type of fiction has, to a large extent, merged with science fiction tropes involving time travel between alternate histories, psychic awareness of the existence of one universe by the people in another, or time travel that results in history splitting into two or more timelines. Cross-time, time-splitting, and alternate history themes have become so closely interwoven that it is impossible to discuss them fully apart from one another.
We know there will be a book on Time travel per Harry later in the Case Files, so again this verifies the "impossible to discuss them [time travel, alternate history] fully apart from one another." In addition, there have been mathematicians that describe the type of mathematics that would be at play in such a universe that allows what has been described as existing in the Dresdenverse, (time travel, travel between parallel realities, etc) that mathematics requires further TEMPORAL factors in addition to the time factor we are use to. So, there would be in fact a temporal travel at play, but one not "time" as defined by ours.
And then they changed form based on our dreams?"outside" or beyond reality has always been a thing, in olden days Jotunheim was considered outside reality ::)
Maybe the Never-never is similar to Lovecraft's Dreamlands?
“Gosh, you’re cute when you’re angry,” I responded.
Her eyes narrowed dangerously.
“It makes your little button nose all pink and your eyes get bloodshot and even bluer.”
“Did you have any last words, Dresden, or should I just choke you now?”
Hasn't Murphy placed Harry in a choke hold before?
Escape could be one option. My preferred option is that the dreams of mortals drew these outsiders to us like a beacon of curiousity.
"This isn't your world," I whispered.
"Not now," He Who Walks Behind murmured, its smile widening. "But it will be ours again in just a little time."
-Ghost Story, page 300 on Nook. Emphasis added.
Justine?Didn't she yea when she threatened him in GP to save Thomas?
For just a fraction of a second, Maeve’s smug exterior changed, becoming graver, more somber. In that instant, she and Lily looked as though they might have been fraternal twins. “With absolute certainty.”
"You? The new Summer Lady?"
Lilly flushed prettily and nodded.
"I know. I didn't want it, but when Aurora died, the power flowed to the nearest Summer vessel. Usually it would be one of the other Queens, but I had the Knight's power, and it just sort of...plopped in there."
“I have no use for weakness, wizard.” She shivered in a kind of slow, alien ecstasy. “Rest. Heal. Sleep. I shall most likely kill you on the morrow.” “You? A Princess Bride quote?” I croaked. “What is that?” she asked. Then she was gone. Just gone.
Murphy was in clear view of anyone when the Lady mantles were transferred, Maeve did not think she was a suitable candidate either. (otherwise she would have killed her).