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DF Spoilers / Re: Bob's Parents
« on: January 07, 2022, 02:16:50 AM »
So, first I have to ask what mortals have been around long enough to be one of Bob's parents.  The list is pretty short.
Mab, when she was a mortal.
Titania, when she was a mortal.
The Gaterkeeper
Ancient Mai
Kemmler
Nicodemus
Tessa
Quintus Cassius (Snakeboy)
The British prisoner 

We can eliminate Nic, Tessa and Cassius because they were all incapable of loving anyone for a very long time, if ever.  (Unless you count Nic's relationship with; never mind, that's way too yucky to think about.)  Plus, it's highly likely their only involvement with spiritual entities is with the Fallen in the coin they've each carried.

It can't be Kemmler because; for one thing we haven't really seen him in the series, we've just heard about him.  Plus, I think it might have been impossible for Bob to have cut off his knowledge of Kemmler if Kemmler was his father.  It would have been like cutting himself in half.

The Gatekeeper.  He's done enough time travel to make him a reasonable candidate.

Ancient Mai.  She hasn't appeared very often, but I can't rule her out either.  It might make for an interesting twist if it was her.

Titania isn't in the story often enough to make her a good candidate.  Plus, we know so very little about her background.

Mab; on the other hand, has been in the story quite often.  Her backstory as a mortal is something we may one day learn more about.  She's a very good candidate.

The British prisoner.  Well, I'm making an assumption that he is human.  If so, he's another sound candidate.

The spiritual entity is a real tough one to guess.  I don't count any of the Fae as spiritual entities.  Lea told Harry in Ghost Story that she was of both worlds.  That means all of the fae are.  So, they are like mules which are part horse and part donkey and should be incapable of breeding, at least in the way Harry and Lash did.  However, they can breed just fine with mortals the old fashion way; just like the Greek and other various ancient gods are supposed to have done.  Plus, how many of the fae are capable of having feelings of love?  Probably some, but I doubt any of them are from Winter.

I seriously doubt anyone has ever had a relationship with a copy of one of the Fallen the way Harry did.  It seems like a pretty unique relationship to me.  That leaves the Loa, demons, angels, ghosts, ancient gods and maybe Outsiders.  Oh yea, I'm forgetting Mac; before he became a bartender and short order cook.  Too much points to Mac as having once been something more than just human.
 
I'm pretty sure we can eliminate Demons and Outsiders.  The only ghost we've met and know a fair amount about was Sir Stewart and he seemed most interested in looking after his descendant Mort.  The older gods seem to prefer the physical means of reproduction with mortals, so that probably eliminates Odin.  Ulsharavas is the only Loa we've met and only once.  Angels are just too remote, to committed to what they are.  Plus, they lack free will. 

I'm going to guess Bob's parents are Mab when she was a mortal and Mac when he wasn't.  It might explain why she healed him in, was it Cold Days or a short story, I don't remember which.  Perhaps such a union also explains why Mac is now mortal.  That would make them star-crossed lovers.  Mac became a mortal when Mab became immortal. 
     

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DF Spoilers / Re: Peace Talks interesting things and questions
« on: January 07, 2022, 12:35:58 AM »
Question #1: I doubt that it is important who did it.  Maybe we will find out when if Harry summons Ethniu to do something horrible to another monster that is a much larger threat, so that it makes the possibility of losing control of Ethniu worth the risk.

Question #2:  I seriously doubt that Ebenezer is a denarian.  It's a good hypothesis because it fits the facts, but as Yuillegan points out, it doesn't make a great deal of sense for Ebenezer to have made such a deal.  So, I have to ask myself if there another hypothesis that fits the facts, and I think there is. 

Why is hellfire red?  (I feel like Sir Bedevere in Monty Python and the Holly Grail.)  It's not because it uses fire magic or that it comes from some kind of hellish volcano filled with red lava.  It's symbolic of the red hot anger of the Fallen ones.  Yuelligan tells us that Ebenezer is barely in control of his actions.  In fact, Eb will lose control and would have killed Harry if Harry had actually been on the dock.  Ebenezer is about to use black magic because he's incredibly angry and believes that he is right and is doing the right thing.

Therefore, my hypothesis is all black magic; or at least all black magic motivated by anger, is red or of a reddish color.  Whereas, Harry's normal fire magic; or any regular fire magic used by any other wizard who uses it, is red because the fire they call forth is using oxygen for it's fuel.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ages of Characters
« on: January 06, 2022, 05:12:53 AM »
Cassius is much older, especially as his full name was Quintus Cassius.  That suggests he could have been born at least 1500 years ago.  It was the guy that Harry saw crucified when he soulgazed Ursiel who was headed for the California gold rush when he became a denarian.  That's the old west connection you're think of.

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DF Spoilers / Re: The truth about Harry and Thomas comes out?
« on: January 03, 2022, 04:40:35 AM »
I didn't actually want to talk about the Swartalves, but everyone else did so I'll jump in.  When I wrote the Thomas would "balance the scales" I meant just that.  I don't believe that Thomas' problem with the Swartalves will be solved by proving that Nemesis coerced him.  I suspect that Thomas will do something overt that squares his debt with the Swartalves. 

It might be something dramatic like Errol Flynn playing Robin Hood or Captain Blood.  Captain Blood is better.  Thomas comes off better as a pirate than a merry man.  Thomas saves Mr. Etri's life or the life of a family member or several Swartalves.  I'm not saying Thomas will appear as a KotC, though I suppose that could happen too.  However it happens, Thomas will do something that literally balances the scales in the Swartalves eyes.  If she's around, Mab may be impressed as well; setting up, or at least suggesting, Thomas as the next Winter Knight.       

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DF Spoilers / Re: Name the next book! (Unofficial Fan Contest begins!)
« on: January 01, 2022, 04:06:05 AM »
Power Couple: As a term it can have both positive and negative connotations.  Plus, whenever I hear that two very famous people are dating I don't expect it to last.  If they get married I usually expect it will end in disaster. 

There are two great examples from real life I can point to.  The first was way back when Ben Affleck was dating Jennifer Lopez.  I have to admit if I could come up with something as horrible as Benifer by combining Harry and Lara's name, I would.  The second occurred a few years later when Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie were married.  I wasn't surprised that neither relationship lasted, though I was a bit surprised with how long Pitt and Jolie remained together.

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DF Spoilers / Re: The Gods of Pro Wrestling
« on: January 01, 2022, 01:53:31 AM »
Agreed. Can't stand wrestling.

Gods who need worship would become celebrities, athletes, actors, singers. I could see some of the Greeks becoming reality tv stars- though I dislike reality tv more then wrestling, it fits with their narcissisms. Particularly given Naricssis is Greek himself.

I'm also, not a fan of wrestling.  However, I could totally get behind the idea of minor ancient deities; and almost but not quite forgotten major ones, reappearing as reality TV stars, but also as so-called Influencers; whether on Instagram, YouTube or any social media platform.  Getting "Likes" seems to me to be a perfect fit for an old deity craving some form of worship.

However, I can't see a major deity like an Athena or Zeus going the above routes.  Pride was also a weakness of some of these deities, so I think they would want to do something that would give them the appearance of dignity or sagacity.  With that idea in mind, perhaps some old deities could be seen on Bloomberg News making predictions about the future of the economy or market, or perhaps as a so-called political, legal or military expert who makes regular appearances on any of the major news networks.   

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DF Spoilers / The truth about Harry and Thomas comes out?
« on: December 09, 2021, 09:02:05 AM »
I'm making an assumption that at some point Thomas will not only leave Demonreach prison, he will somehow manage to balance the scales with the Swartalves, so they're no longer invested in killing him.  Then again, for all we know the Swartalves could get wiped out.  No one is safe, and it happened to the Red Court so there's no reason it couldn't happen to them.  That would solve Thomas' problem too, though not in a very satisfying manner.

Once that issue is dealt with, how long must Harry keep it secret that Thomas is his half-brother?  Harry isn't a member of the White Council any more.  Other than not overtly breaking the Laws of Magic, Harry doesn't have to play by their cultural rules or worry about their politics.  Unless they decide to kill him, of course.  However, the one person it could hurt is Ebenezer; so, maybe I'm wrong about Harry not having to worry about White Council politics.  However, I'm not expecting Ebenezer to be around much longer, and once he's gone that issue disappears.   

Rather than undermining Harry I think the White Council may have actually empowered him by cutting him loose.  Any one else agree with me and can you think of another way no longer being a member of the Council may benefit Harry.

Oh yea, if Harry allows his family relationship with Thomas to become public, it takes away the leverage Lara has of knowing the secret.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry should have trusted Ramirez
« on: December 09, 2021, 08:32:44 AM »
(Yes, I understand why some people would have liked to respond to a certain post but, let's not feed the trolls.)  Instead, let's get this discussion back on track by taking it in a new direction.  I think there have been some good points on both sides of this discussion.  However, I come down in a slightly different place.  I think Harry has a weakness; well more than one, but in this case he has an inability to see himself as others see him.  OK, doing that is a difficult thing for many people; maybe most people, to do.  However, in this case Harry has had many, many clues; which if he had paid attention to them, might have allowed him to be proactive and at least attempt to get ahead of the problem he had with Ramirez and company in Peace Talks. (I know, it's confusing so far, just go with me a little further and it should become clear or somewhat clear.)

What are the clues Harry has been ignoring or not paying enough attention to?  Look at the constant pattern of suspicion Harry has faced since he seemingly returned from the dead as the new Winter Knight.  Sarissa didn't trust him.  Bob didn't trust him.  Murphy didn't fully trust him; at least not initially.  Fix didn't trust him.  Lily didn't trust him; again, at least not at first.  Butters didn't trust Harry's story about being being dead and later he didn't trust Harry at all.  With the exception of Lily who was more worried about the possible infection from Nemesis, the rest of those characters were afraid that Mab had changed Harry for the worse.  However, it doesn't end there.  Harry knows that whenever he is seen with Thomas or Lara Raith, it's not a good look.  The reputation of the White Court of vampires brings some taint to whoever would willingly associate with them.  Most people would have realized they had a problem and needed to become proactive in addressing it, but not Harry.  He shouldn't have been surprised that at least some of the younger wardens might be concerned, and might even be worried that he was no longer the Harry Dresden they used to know. 

Michael, Molly and Thomas are the only people who didn't automatically think "Harry may be a monster or becoming a monster" when he returned.  However, Molly's judgement was warped before she became one of the fae (mostly by being around Lea) and Thomas notices a new predatory behavior being demonstrated by Harry; but Thomas thinks of himself as a monster, so he doesn't make any negative judgements about Harry.  Thomas just warns Harry that he needs to learn to control what's going on inside of him.  Of course, Michael doesn't prejudge Harry because he's Michael, but also because Harry came to him looking for help.  Oh yea, there's Mac, but is Mac really human?

I've actually thought through why Harry lacks this self-awareness, but why go there.  I'm not sure how deeply Jim thought it through when he created Harry.  In any case, I think Harry had exactly one opportunity to attempt to reach out to Carlos Ramirez before everything went to hell.  That opportunity was right at the beginning of the novel when Warden Ramirez showed up on the beach where Harry and Thomas were running together.  (Caveat, I haven't reread Peace Talks or Battle Ground.  To be honest, as time passes the less I like either of them, though there are parts of them I like.) 

Harry notices that Carlos is paying attention to the ridiculous amount of weight he is working out with.  That was the time for Harry to (attempt) to reassure an old friend that he was still the same person, more or less.  Once it was demonstrated to Harry; by the road block and tracking devise, that even his old friends no longer trusted him, Harry wasn't going to meet them halfway or compromise with them in any way.  It's not in Harry's nature to react well to threats.  As far as being associated with the White Court, it would have also been a good idea if Harry had come up with a good reason why he should be seen with Thomas by a member of the White Council.  He's had plenty of time to realize that might be a good idea, but Harry isn't very good at lying, so he hasn't even tried to think of a good excuse.

At the scene on the beach, I don't think it would have been unreasonable for Harry to say something along these lines: "Carlos, I know you must be wondering if I'm still the same person I used to be.  I've had a lot of people who have been worried about exactly the same thing."  I don't know what Harry would have said after that, other than it would have had to have been very short, and probably included a promise to sit down and talk in more detail later.  Would such a statement made a difference?  I don't know, but at least Harry wouldn't have come off as clueless as he did when the Wardens stopped him after his meeting with Lara.

As far the White Court issue goes, that is a much more problematic issue for Harry to deal with.  I suppose Harry could have said something like, "Baron Marcone, the White Court and a group of vigilantes have created a temporary alliance against the Fomor here in Chicago.  (Implying Harry is the primary vigilante in question.) Sometimes this requires discussions and negotiations between allies."  While it wouldn't have been a lie, it's way more devious than Harry usually is with friends.  So even though I think it would have been a good idea, it would have been out of character for Harry to do this.  I suppose Harry might have told Carlos that Captain Luccio knows why he meets with Thomas Raith, but that would have become very complicated, very quickly.  Harry might have had to give Ramirez a letter to take to Luccio to confirm what he said was true and hope Captain Luccio wouldn't decide that now was a good time to be concerned enough to reveal the entire truth to Ramirez and the rest of the White Council.
       
I think Harry had one other opportunity to reach out to Ramirez.  I've written about this idea before in another thread.  After Warden Ramirez read Harry the demands from the White Council and Harry responded, there might have been an opportunity for Harry to reach out to Carlos as an individual.  Harry might said something like this: "Warden Ramirez! You wanted to know about secrets I've been keeping.  OK then, come closer and put a veil or other spell over us so no one else can hear this.  Remember how I exposed Wizard Peabody as a traitor at Morgan's trial?  There's something I didn't tell the White Council at that trial.  Peabody wasn't alone when he attacked the Senior Council members on that island and killed at least one warden.  I know that for a fact.  But no, I don't know who the other person is, but there is another traitor on the White Council.  Now ask yourself, who on the Council are you going to report this information to?  Because, if you tell the wrong person you may be signing your own death warrant.  Watch your back.  And that is the least dangerous secret I know."  Perhaps telling Ramirez something like that might pay future dividends.  Of course, that assumes Ramirez would believe anything Harry said at that point.     



 




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DF Spoilers / Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
« on: November 30, 2021, 10:28:23 PM »
Some of you already know this, so this is a PSA for everyone who doesn't know yet.  Toot Toot; and judging by the the book cover Lacuna, will team up with Mister to face off against an invader Harry is unaware of, in the short story "Little Things."  It will be released next May in a collection of short stories titled "Heroic Hearts." 

Here's a link to the Amazon page on it. 
https://www.amazon.com/Heroic-Hearts/dp/B09FC1MHY4/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Heroic+Hearts&qid=1638310575&sr=8-1

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DF Spoilers / Re: “Peace Talks” Audiobook question:
« on: November 19, 2021, 05:04:10 AM »
You are correct, but Carlos is of Spanish rather than Latino descent.

His model is Zorro.

If Ramirez grew up in So. Cal, it wouldn't make any difference.  He would speak like everyone else he went to school with.  I've seen situations just like this occur on more than one occasion.

Getting back to the OP, go back and listen to the way Marsters plays Rashid from novel to novel.  It changes in almost every book. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: I think we missed something! McCoy's temper
« on: November 19, 2021, 04:47:12 AM »
Eb was hurt pretty badly. Major leg break like that, even wizard healing is going to take a while before he's fit to leave Edinburgh under his own power. He might not even appear in Twelve Months, unless he's got a bunch of Wardens chauffering him and pushing him in a wheelchair.

My 90 year old grandmother got out of her wheelchair six weeks after she broke her leg.  Of course, it was a clean break with no complications.  I could see Eb making an appearance late in the book.  That would give him most of a year to heal.  Plus, it would give Ebenezer a pretty good reason to be using Mother Winter's walking stick.  Sort of like using a really big shotgun as a walking stick, but that would be the point, wouldn't it?  Just to show everyone what's on his mind.

What I could see happening is Ebenezer arriving and after much tension admitting to Harry that he tried to take out Lara from a distance, but she was protected, just like her father used to be.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Is Murphy truly dead
« on: November 19, 2021, 04:22:21 AM »
All I know is when Murphy reappears she will be PO'd. 

Murphy - "Harry, why didn't you tell me you talked to my father?"
Harry - "Hey Murph.  Ah, how did you know about that?  I thought you were in Valhalla."
Murphy - "Don't dodge the question mister.  OK, I am there most of the time, but Uriel gave my dad a job that took him to my neighborhood."
Bob - "Gee boss.  She even orders you around from the afterlife."
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas hoped Marcone would Kill Lara?
« on: November 16, 2021, 04:54:57 AM »
Good point.  What Thomas has gone through before being put in Stasis is likely many times worse than what Shaggy did to him.  Plus, he doesn't have the real Justine anymore (or perhaps his illusion of her is gone). 

Question:  Is a hypothetically well-fed Thomas actually a match for Lara?  I actually don't think so.  I suspect that Lara, Thomas and Lord Raith are the three strongest of the Whites, but that doesn't mean that he can take down Lara.  She has too much experience, is older (and therefore stronger) and probably knows how to use the Hunger to achieve a wider range of tactical objectives.

Add to that, Lara has had the time to peruse her father's library; which I believe was supposed to contain a great deal of magical knowledge.  My guess is that probably meant White Court vampire abilities.  Way back in Blood Rites, we were given a description of Lord Raith's 'kiss of death' technique, which he would use; presumably against other White Court vampires, to start business meetings of the Court to get everyone's attention.  Harry even teased Lord Raith about his inability to use the kiss of death any longer because of Margaret's death curse.

I'm think this is an example of Chekov's gun.  We've been given a graphic description of a rare and powerful White Court vampire attack method but we haven't seen it used; at least not yet.  My hypothesis is that at some point we will get to see it used.  I think it could occur in the next book.
Most likely, that means a resurgent Lord Raith uses the kiss of death to show everyone he is back, or; and I think this next scenario is far more likely, Lara Raith uses the same ability to show those in the White Court she no longer needs her father as a figurehead to maintain her leadership of the Court.

I suppose a third possibility is that Thomas will get the opportunity to learn this nasty trick and his father's other secrets, which will allow him to challenge Lara and become the leader of the White Court, but at present that seems highly unlikely to occur.

   

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DF Spoilers / Re: Toot Height Comment
« on: November 05, 2021, 03:56:19 AM »
This thread begs a different question.  So, Toot is getting noticeably larger and so is Lacuna.  The guard must also be getting larger though not to same degree as Toot Toot.  The White Council members present were noticeably disturbed when Harry summoned an army of little people, how disturbed will they be when many of those tiny fae are normal sized or close to normal sized fae?

Harry is scary enough when Mab empowers him; with the Banner, to command the fae like the Malks and other nasty types in Battle Ground, but he'd be terrifying if he can call his own normal sized fae army any time he wants them.  It's only a matter of time before Toot and Lacuna will need full sized swords and perhaps the rest of the guard will get by with daggers. 

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I don't think the Council cut Harry loose so he can do "what's necessary" without having to follow White Council rules.  For one thing, they have the Blackstaff when they need someone to break the Laws of Magic.  Mostly, I think the Merlin and most members of the Senior Council are truly afraid of what Harry has become. 

Unless, one of the Senior Council has some way of scrying on Harry to see what's he's up to, they can only base their opinion of him based on rumors and a few known facts.  I think we've all seen the list from the fictional Warden File assessing Harry's accomplishments and abilities.  We can add to that what they might know since Harry came back from the dead; which is scary all by itself, seeing as how the last guy who used to regularly pull off that trick was the necromancer Kemmler.

Harry becomes Mab's hitman.

One Fairy Queen gets capped by Harry.  (Karin pulled the trigger, but the Council isn't going to know that.)  Another Fairy Queen dies at the same time.  Would the Council know that Maeve did the deed or ascribe it to Harry even if they hear Maeve was the culprit?  I doubt we can say, either way.  Plus, there are a number of explosions in Chicago around the time of Harry's return.  Meaning Harry is on some kind of rampage.

Rumors may have got out that Harry worked with Nicodemus and that Harry is now once again in possession of powerful Holy relics.  At least the Gatekeeper would probably know this last part.  It might also get out that Harry worked with Binder.  Not that the Council could claim that Harry committed any crime by doing so, but it sure wouldn't help his reputation any.

Harry has his own personal army of tiny fae to do his bidding.

Harry used fire magic to kill some Fomor servitors.  Personally, I don't see how those guys can be considered as fully human any longer, but that's how Jim wrote it; so, it is what it is.

Harry and Marcone take down Ethniu, but Harry only reveals to Mab and the other non-human supernatural players that Marcone is now a Denarian.  From the White Council's perspective, Harry must have done it by himself with Marcone being nothing more than bait or a distraction for Ethniu.
       

Unfortunately, Peace Talks and Battle Ground didn't really give us much in the way of information about the state of play within the White Council itself.  I assume the Merlin and Cristos are still jockeying for position, while the Gatekeeper mostly does his own thing and Ebenezer watches with alarm; as Harry doesn't appear to have any other major allies within the Council.

I think the Council isolated Harry so that either someone else can get rid of him for them, or they can squash him without a trial or political maneuvering if and when they feel the need to do so.

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