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Title: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on September 07, 2020, 05:47:46 PM
Parts are from Peace Talks but parts seem to show Harry in McAnally’s talking about the apocalypse (Little a) him rallying the citizenry, Murphy firing a rocket launcher, Harry in a blasted pile of bodies with Ethnui holding his staff, which has the Athame attached, creating a skirmish line with Carlos and Eb, the cast includes William Borden (not in PT) and man in the suit (Chandler? William Borden? He has the moustache for Chandler) who Harry defects an attack from(we haven’t been told so spoilers for the book)

Harry and Murphy sitting on a motorbike? Shouldn’t that be incapacitated? Where did they get it. No Knights, no River Shoulders.

https://youtu.be/xKsWndEku2Q
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Avernite on September 07, 2020, 07:55:05 PM
I like it.

Obviously they needed Ethniu's shenanigans from PT, but eh. Looks suitably interesting, even if we'll have to see just how bad Harry's "rally the mortals" plot ends.
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: KurtinStGeorge on September 07, 2020, 08:28:29 PM
Wow!  Did anyone spot where Jim's cameo was?  I think I know, but I'm going to spoiler it so everyone else can look for themselves because maybe you will spot him elsewhere. 
(click to show/hide)

Three weeks and a day to go.  Urghhhhh, too long.
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Mira on September 07, 2020, 09:51:40 PM


So Ethnui gets the spear away from Harry??  Murphy somehow gets a miracle cure if she can shoulder a bazooka and ride a motorcycle when she could hardly move in the first couple of chapters?
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Regenbogen on September 07, 2020, 10:00:32 PM
Cool stuff. The trailers were both so well made, it made me a bit sad, that there are no movies.
Not long now to the book. Oh, this trailer made me want it now.
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Yuillegan on September 07, 2020, 10:22:29 PM
Nice trailer!

Could be that isn't Harry's staff + Athame/Spear of Longinus. It could be Vadderung's spear or even just a spear that she brings with her.

Nice to see Harry goes to Mac's Bar again. Also, clearly Eb and Harry are in the thick of it. And Marcone clearly there at the Climax perhaps. He also has his special gun.

Also I think Priscilla is at Mac's Bar. And I agree, I think Jim is under Ethniu's feet.

Also, Mab is holding the crystal. Perhaps it is after Ethniu is captured?

Also, another reference to elemental chaos/destruction associated with Harry.

There's also two strange scenes that don't make a lot of sense.

One where there is seemingly a cloud of arrows or spikes heading at Mab.

One where Harry appears to blast Hendricks or some other person in a suit with a shotgun.

Also, seems like the scale of burning buildings is too big to cover up or explain away.
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: TheCuriousFan on September 07, 2020, 11:28:34 PM
Nice trailer!

Could be that isn't Harry's staff + Athame/Spear of Longinus. It could be Vadderung's spear or even just a spear that she brings with her.

Nice to see Harry goes to Mac's Bar again. Also, clearly Eb and Harry are in the thick of it. And Marcone clearly there at the Climax perhaps. He also has his special gun.

Also I think Priscilla is at Mac's Bar. And I agree, I think Jim is under Ethniu's feet.

Also, Mab is holding the crystal. Perhaps it is after Ethniu is captured?

Also, another reference to elemental chaos/destruction associated with Harry.

There's also two strange scenes that don't make a lot of sense.

One where there is seemingly a cloud of arrows or spikes heading at Mab.

One where Harry appears to blast Hendricks or some other person in a suit with a shotgun.

Also, seems like the scale of burning buildings is too big to cover up or explain away.
Which goes nicely with Harry explaining in chapter 1 that however this goes the masquerade is pretty much done.

One thing I haven't seen noted is that shot where Ebenezar and Lara? are standing side by side as part of the lineup.
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on September 07, 2020, 11:58:43 PM
Some of the trailer may be deliberately misleading, it is certainly out of context and out of order.

The pile of bodies could be like the scene in Avengers Age of Ultron, a vision or dream or Harry’s Foresight rather than an actual outcome, remember we have not seen anything of the Knights
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Snark Knight on September 08, 2020, 12:44:57 AM
Could be that isn't Harry's staff + Athame/Spear of Longinus. It could be Vadderung's spear or even just a spear that she brings with her.

Hard to say. It doesn't appear rune-carved, and the spearhead seems made for the shaft rather than improvised onto it.
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Yuillegan on September 08, 2020, 01:18:12 AM
Which goes nicely with Harry explaining in chapter 1 that however this goes the masquerade is pretty much done.

One thing I haven't seen noted is that shot where Ebenezar and Lara? are standing side by side as part of the lineup.
Yeah, clearly Harry and Eb (and Eb and Lara) work out their issues - at least temporarily. Although you might notice that Eb was standing next to Lara and Harry was all the way at the other end of the group.

Well, I do hope the masquerade is done. It would add an entirely new element to the series. I feel that will be both more interesting and enjoyable. It's well overdue, at least in my opinion.

Some of the trailer may be deliberately misleading, it is certainly out of context and out of order.

The pile of bodies could be like the scene in Avengers Age of Ultron, a vision or dream or Harry’s Foresight rather than an actual outcome, remember we have not seen anything of the Knights
Oh definitely. Just like the Peace Talks trailer. I have watched both together...and some bits relate to each. Very difficult to work it all out.

I don't think that it is a dream though. Harry is being saved by Marcone at that point - feels like a good drama. Not to mention, we do know there is an extremely high body count. I'd expect Ethniu to do a lot of killing before the book is done.

Hard to say. It doesn't appear rune-carved, and the spearhead seems made for the shaft rather than improvised onto it.
Indeed. Although we have to take into account that the trailer makers had limited resources and everything is meant to just give an indication, and should be taken with a grain of salt. And of course some poetic licence. Still though, it does raise questions.

Also, anyone notice that Will Borden is at Mac's Bar (next to Priscilla)?
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Mira on September 08, 2020, 04:15:06 PM
Half the time Harry is wearing his magic leather overcoat and half the time he is wearing a Warden's cloak I believe or perhaps a new spider silk one.  Did Ramirez get turned into red jam just off camera? Or looking at it several times, was it Harry that turned Carlos into red jam?  Trailers can be deceptive, true enough, but if Harry did do it.. Why? Have we found the real spy who was behind what happened to Thomas?

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I don't think that it is a dream though. Harry is being saved by Marcone at that point -

I don't see that as Marcone saving Harry, more like he is trying to wake him up after taking a major blow..  Then again, is that Marcone?  Or Sanya?  He has a sword dangling from his chest as he leans over Harry.

Lots of action, I hope it isn't all KABOOM though because it is going to take brains and detective work as well to defeat the Titian.
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: TheCuriousFan on September 09, 2020, 12:58:56 AM
Half the time Harry is wearing his magic leather overcoat and half the time he is wearing a Warden's cloak I believe or perhaps a new spider silk one.  Did Ramirez get turned into red jam just off camera? Or looking at it several times, was it Harry that turned Carlos into red jam?  Trailers can be deceptive, true enough, but if Harry did do it.. Why? Have we found the real spy who was behind what happened to Thomas?

I don't see that as Marcone saving Harry, more like he is trying to wake him up after taking a major blow..  Then again, is that Marcone?  Or Sanya?  He has a sword dangling from his chest as he leans over Harry.

Lots of action, I hope it isn't all KABOOM though because it is going to take brains and detective work as well to defeat the Titian.
Subtitles say it's Marcone.
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: The_Sibelis on September 09, 2020, 01:04:46 AM
Reading his lips a bit he's trying to get him back in the fight, the only chance they have or some such
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Mira on September 09, 2020, 11:59:06 AM
Subtitles say it's Marcone.

Okay, didn't read the subtitles, still he has a sword now I think, that doesn't look like a gun.
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: KurtinStGeorge on September 09, 2020, 06:26:56 PM
What does anyone think of the scene; at 1:04 - 1:05, where Mab is holding a sword?  It looks like she has taken the field, but there are a number of black lines going up on the horizon.  It reminded me of the scene in movie 300; or the Jet Li movie Hero, where a huge numbers of arrows are arcing upwards but will soon descend on the main character. 

Then there's the scene shortly after that; the one where the pupils in Molly's eyes go into a cat slit shape.  What's going on with that?  Is that the moment when she becomes 100% fae?
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: morriswalters on September 09, 2020, 08:27:11 PM
What does anyone think of the scene; at 1:04 - 1:05, where Mab is holding a sword?  It looks like she has taken the field, but there are a number of black lines going up on the horizon.  It reminded me of the scene in movie 300; or the Jet Li movie Hero, where a huge numbers of arrows are arcing upwards but will soon descend on the main character. 

Then there's the scene shortly after that; the one where the pupils in Molly's eyes go into a cat slit shape.  What's going on with that?  Is that the moment when she becomes 100% fae?
Who touches Molly at that point and why does their skin change. Is that Harry? And who is the guy Harry hits with some kind of green magic. Does Harry finally nail Rudolph?
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Regenbogen on September 09, 2020, 09:15:08 PM
Who touches Molly at that point and why does their skin change. Is that Harry? And who is the guy Harry hits with some kind of green magic. Does Harry finally nail Rudolph?
I think the guy is Rudolph. And if I remember correctly, the hand on Molly's shoulder is a left hand. And it looks scarred with burns, so I believe it is Harry's.
Maybe in this scene she taps into her mantle's powers to become stronger for the battle, and because of that she becomes more fae. (Mab has the same eyes. ) And the tatoos become white. Maybe because she becomes more wintery.
Or!!! Idea: She creates an illusion to make her look like Mab, maybe as a ruse. A very good illusion including feel, smell, illusion of power and so on.
Could be the Mab with the sword isn't Mab, but Illusion-Molly. Why? No idea, just came to my mind. Maybe to give the real Mab a chance to slip behind the lines unnoticed, because every enemy has only eyes on fake-Mab.
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Mira on September 10, 2020, 02:15:46 PM
I think the guy is Rudolph. And if I remember correctly, the hand on Molly's shoulder is a left hand. And it looks scarred with burns, so I believe it is Harry's.
Maybe in this scene she taps into her mantle's powers to become stronger for the battle, and because of that she becomes more fae. (Mab has the same eyes. ) And the tatoos become white. Maybe because she becomes more wintery.
Or!!! Idea: She creates an illusion to make her look like Mab, maybe as a ruse. A very good illusion including feel, smell, illusion of power and so on.
Could be the Mab with the sword isn't Mab, but Illusion-Molly. Why? No idea, just came to my mind. Maybe to give the real Mab a chance to slip behind the lines unnoticed, because every enemy has only eyes on fake-Mab.

I think the trailer is confusing and possibly misleading, we have to read to connect the dots.  It shows a lot of action, but it doesn't make a lot of sense.  Harry rallies or tries to, the supernatural types at Mac's place.. Is this the group that doesn't take him seriously and as a result a lot of people die or get hurt?  At another point he is rallying a lot of what looks like a lot of vanilla human types, now what chance do they have?  That might lead to his flash backs of a blood soaked pavement because they did listen.  Between the two trailers Harry seems captured at one point, he is singing the "Spidy" song, another he is flat on the ground with Marcone shaking him because he is the only one who can save them.  The Ethniu is holding up a spear, we know from the cover of the book, Harry at some point has put the knife on end of his staff.. Question if it is that powerful, if Ethniu has managed to get it away from him, how can she be defeated?  Murphy, though she helps when Harry battles the giant squid, she tosses a rope, and shines a flare, but she is hardly mobile yet in the trailer she is able to sit a motorcycle?  And shoulder a bazooka or rocket launcher with an injured shoulder?  Where is Vadderung in all of this?  From Christmas Eve we know that he survives, Harry survives, Michael, Molly, and Mab all survive.. So while the trailer makes it look dire for Harry, he manages somehow to come back and win, but at a great price seemingly.
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: BrainFireBob on September 10, 2020, 03:08:12 PM
I think the trailer is confusing and possibly misleading, we have to read to connect the dots.  It shows a lot of action, but it doesn't make a lot of sense.  Harry rallies or tries to, the supernatural types at Mac's place.. Is this the group that doesn't take him seriously and as a result a lot of people die or get hurt?  At another point he is rallying a lot of what looks like a lot of vanilla human types, now what chance do they have?  That might lead to his flash backs of a blood soaked pavement because they did listen.  Between the two trailers Harry seems captured at one point, he is singing the "Spidy" song, another he is flat on the ground with Marcone shaking him because he is the only one who can save them.  The Ethniu is holding up a spear, we know from the cover of the book, Harry at some point has put the knife on end of his staff.. Question if it is that powerful, if Ethniu has managed to get it away from him, how can she be defeated?  Murphy, though she helps when Harry battles the giant squid, she tosses a rope, and shines a flare, but she is hardly mobile yet in the trailer she is able to sit a motorcycle?  And shoulder a bazooka or rocket launcher with an injured shoulder?  Where is Vadderung in all of this?  From Christmas Eve we know that he survives, Harry survives, Michael, Molly, and Mab all survive.. So while the trailer makes it look dire for Harry, he manages somehow to come back and win, but at a great price seemingly.

Spidey bit happened in Peace Talks- it's when he's in the privy shaft
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Mira on September 10, 2020, 05:13:30 PM
Spidey bit happened in Peace Talks- it's when he's in the privy shaft
Perhaps, but it doesn't read like the trailer showed.
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: KurtinStGeorge on September 14, 2020, 11:12:22 PM
I just took a close look at scene where it appears Harry kills someone holding a handgun.  (1:17 in the trailer.)  There has been speculation the person in question is Warden Ramirez.  It's not him.  The person Harry attacks has a full beard and his mustache meets the beard on either side of his chin.  Ramirez has a goatee and his mustache does not extend down to his chin.  Plus, the clothing of the two individuals doesn't match.

I thought it might be Warden Chandler.  The person Harry is blasting appears to be well dressed; something Warden Chandler is known for, and not part of the casually dressed crowd at Mac's.  One alternative is that this individual is a Fomor servitor, but, while I don't recall any physical descriptions of the average servitor, I don't picture any of them having beards.  Plus, don't they usually wear turtleneck sweaters?  So that leads me back to Warden Chandler, but that explanation has another problem.  Warden Chandler is described in Peace Talks has having grown a Freddie Mercury mustache, not a full beard.  However, the facial hair of the actor in the trailer could be a deliberate mismatch in order to prevent someone, like me, from easily figuring out this mystery. 

The lack of a bowler hat does not dissuade me that the individual in question might be Warden Chandler.  If Chandler turned out to be a traitor and was forced to take the field against Harry, he might not want any survivors describe seeing a mysterious man in a bowler hat. 

Detective Rudolph?  Unless he shoots Murphy, I don't think so.  Harry would want Rudolph alive to pay the price of being a dirty cop.  Killing Rudolph causes nothing but problems and it wouldn't take the heat off of Harry or Murphy.   
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: TheCuriousFan on September 14, 2020, 11:51:28 PM
Detective Rudolph?  Unless he shoots Murphy, I don't think so.  Harry would want Rudolph alive to pay the price of being a dirty cop.  Killing Rudolph causes nothing but problems and it wouldn't take the heat off of Harry or Murphy.   
He's roaring with fury in that scene according to the subtitles so I don't think he cares too much about the long term implications.
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: BrainFireBob on September 15, 2020, 03:11:55 AM
Perhaps, but it doesn't read like the trailer showed.

Trailers aren't that exact. They don't closely gather at a table, either
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Mira on September 15, 2020, 04:38:34 AM
Trailers aren't that exact. They don't closely gather at a table, either

Exactly, but we should be grateful for what we get taking with a gain of salt.
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Icecream on September 15, 2020, 04:48:41 AM
Was Hades wearing a suit in Skin Game?
Title: Re: Battle Ground Trailer has dropped
Post by: Mira on September 15, 2020, 01:36:47 PM
Was Hades wearing a suit in Skin Game?

I can't remember if it said one way or the other.