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I'll discount everything Murphy suffered in SF and FM out of Harry's guilt account. Murphy got some benefit from Harry's activities back then. Without Harry's professional help, Murphy would have lose her job sooner. The tragedy with the Loop Garu is equally Harry and Murphy's fault, so it cancels out.
Not sure why you would discount any injuries - it's not the purpose of the thread to lay blame at Harry's feat, but to note what Jim Butcher has put these characters through. 

I've added a bunch based on the recent suggestions, though.  I'm in the middle of a re-read, but only up to GP, so I'll most likely be throwing other examples on as I go.

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Community Cork Board / International Tabletop Day set for April 5th
« on: January 20, 2014, 03:27:00 AM »
We ran one last year at our house and had a lot of fun. 

vine.co/v/hlUbp63uJIi


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John Marcone
  • beaten, strung upside down by FBI hexenwolves, FM
  • tortured, SF
  • knocked around, "Even Hand"

Hendricks
  • shot by Denton, FM
  • knocked around, "Even Hand"

Gard
  • arm broken by Grendelkin, "Heorot"
  • eviscerated by Denarians, SF
  • knocked around, "Even Hand"

Meryl
  • shot by Ace, killed, SK

Fix
  • defeated by the Winter Knight, defeated by Lily, Maeve & cohort, watched Lily die, CD

Lily
  • abused by Maeve and Lloyd Slate, behind the scenes
  • turned to stone, nearly sacrificed, SK
  • killed by Maeve, CD

Inari Raith
  • arm broken by Black Court vampires, clavicle broken by Bobby shielding her from shotgun blast, BR

Lara Raith
  • mind whammy by Lord Raith, behind the scenes
  • injured by Black Court vampires, BR
  • injuries inflicted by Skinwalker, damage from Madeline's grenade, TC

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It's come up on some other topics the question of who - aside from Harry - has Jim Butcher tortured the most, so I figured I'd start a list

Karrin Murphy
  • poisoned by Victor Sells's scorpions, endured Internal Affairs investigation for rescinding warrant on HarryStorm Front
  • arm broken by the Loup Garou, beaten up by FBI hexenwolves Full Moon
  • psychic attack by the Nightmare, Grave Peril
  • knee injury, Summer Knight
  • cut, mind whammy, broken jaw by Lord Raith, Blood Rites
  • arm broken, Dead Beat (behind the scenes)
  • nearly drowned by Jenny Greenteeth, "Something Borrowed"
  • loses command of SI Proven Guilty
  • shot by shotgun, face slashed by Deirdre Small Favor
  • drugged by Manaed, black eye & bruise from Harry, "Last Call"
  • psychic whammy, "Love Hurts"
  • loses her job Changes
  • defeated by Lily, Maeve & cohort, Cold Days
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Susan Rodriguez
  • reaction to multiple potions, SF
  • turned to vampire, GP
  • attacked with snakes by Cassius, injured jumping from car Death Masks
  • knocked out by Ik'k'uox, turned to full Red Court vampire, sacrificed, Changes

Mac
  • beaten up, "Last Call"
  • kidnapped by Red Cap, shot, CD

Toot-toot
  • Got swatted by the Skin Walker, SmF
  • Wounded and smacked around by Lacuna, CD

Kim Delaney
  • killed by Loup Garou, FM

Ron Carmichael
  • killed by Loup Garou, FM

Mickey Malone
  • hamstrung by Loup Garou, FM
  • tortured by barbed wire spell, GP

Michael Carpenter
  • battered by Agatha Hagglethorn, broken ribs in fight against Kravos-possessed Lydia, GP
  • cut by sword, shot multiple times into kevlar backed armor, DM
  • shot multiple times, gravely wounded, SmF
  • daughter kidnapped, provoked nearly to murder, "The Warrior"
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Charity Carpenter
  • nearly sacrificed to Siriothrax
  • attacked by Nightmare physically and mentally, inducing premature labor, GP
  • arm injured by hammer exploded against warded door, injured by Scarecrow, DB
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Mortimer Lindquist
  • head laceration, concussion (?), DM
  • kidnapped and tortured by Corpsetaker, Ghost Story

Thomas Raith
  • bit by vampires, injured catching Harry when thrown by Kravos possessed Lydia, GP
  • shot by Lara, nearly sacrificed by Madge, cut and neck broken by Lord Raith, BR
  • arm broken by Scarecrow, hit by ice troll, PG
  • strangled, electrocuted by Elaine, leg injured by ghouls WN
  • injuries from Black Court vampires, "It's My Birthday, Too"
  • poisoned by Stygian, "Backup"
  • tortured by Skinwalker, Turn Coat
  • shot in gut, defeated by Lily, Maeve & cohort, CD

Justine
  • abducted by Red Court and fed upon, GP
  • drained of lifeforce, BR
  • abdomen slashed by Skinwalker, TC
  • kidnapped, "Even Hand"
  • kidnapped by Red Cap, CD

Elaine Mallory
  • presumably enthralled by Justin DuMorne, pre-SF
  • attacked by Lloyd Slate, SK
  • psychic attack by Skavis, WN

Shiro
  • tortured to death by Denarians, DM

Sanya
  • arm broken by Ursiel, leg stabbed by Deirdre, injured by Nicodemus, DM

Waldo Butters
  • psychiatric treatment after identifying some of the Velvet Room victims as not human, BTS, DM
  • grabbed by zombies, tortured and soul gazed by Grevane, nose broken by Cassius, DB
  • Shot in vest by Stevie D, Changes
  • injured by Aristedes, displaced from body by Corpsetaker, GS
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Molly Carpenter
  • damage from using black magic, captured by Fetches, PG
  • psychic trauma from Skavis death, White Night
  • smoke inhalation, "Day Off"
  • shot, psychic trauma, Changes
  • training injuries from Lea, psychic attack by Corpsetaker, GS
  • turned into Winter Lady, CD
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Alicia Carpenter
  • kidnapped by Father Rourke, "The Warrior"

Daniel Carpenter
  • attacked by fetch, PG
  • knife wounds from Aristedes, GS

Mouse
  • hit by car, PG
  • shot in paw, TC
  • injured by Ick, Changes
  • defeated by Lily, Maeve & cohort, CD

Father Forthill
  • nearly beaten to death, GS

Rawlins
  • shot in foot, PG

Ivy
  • gassed, tortured by Denarians, SF

Kinkaid
  • injured by Darkhounds, BR
  • injured by Denarians, SF

Anastasia Luccio
  • mindswapped by Corpsetaker into wounded body, DB
  • mind whammied by Peabody, circa SF
  • collarbone broken by Skinwalker, TC

Carlos Ramirez
  • knocked out by Cowl (?), DB
  • knife wounds from Vittorio Malvora, WN

Maggie Dresden
  • kidnapped by Red Court, watch mother sacrificed, Changes

Sarissa
  • hit by ogre, turned into Summer Lady, CD

Alphas
not specified
  • several wounded in fight with hexenwolves outside Lycanthrope's lair, FM
  • several wounded in fight in Chicago Above Chicago, SK

Will
  • injured in fight with FBI hexenwolves, drugged, FM
  • clawed by Tigress, SK
  • intoxicated by White Vampire blood, TC
  • knife wound, injuries from Fomor, "Aftermath"
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Georgia
  • drugged, FM
  • beaten, kidnapped and ensorcelled, "Something Borrowed"
  • intoxicated by White Vampire blood, TC
  • beaten, kidnapped and ensorcelled, "Aftermath"
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Andi
  • drugged, FM
  • infected by psychopagic mites, "Day Off"
  • severely wounded by Skinwalker, TC
  • beaten, kidnapped and ensorcelled, "Aftermath"
  • kidnapped, CD

Kirby
  • drugged, FM (? - possibly injured by hexenwolves)
  • broken legs, cracked vertebrae, "Something Borrowed"
  • infected by psychopagic mites, "Day Off"
  • - killed by Skinwalker, TC

Marcy
  • drugged, FM
  • wounded by Fomor, "Afternmath"

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http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28481.msg1220859.html#msg1220859
that [the bolded part]... doesn't sound like Nemesis.

it sounds rather like a mortal (possibly a Nemesis infused one) convinced her.  I think we need to ask Jim if Aurora was actually infected or not.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD spoilers] Small Favor
« on: December 22, 2012, 06:47:30 PM »
A troll snatching a kid off a playground for a snack is very different then a troll under Mab's orders doing ANYTHING.  Kid snatching is troll NATURE.  Directed violence against a specific opponent of the Winter Queen is an exertion of her will through a tool. 

Also, given what we've learned in CD, should we trust the job description of the Winter Knight we had up till now?
Mab's comments in Changes at least strongly suggest the Hitman option.  "You will destroy what I wish to destroy.  Kill whosoever I wish you to kill."  That doesn't mean that's the end all, be all of his role, though.

I'm betting that Maeve's orders to the knights mostly centered around killing people... Since we know she hasn't been doing her proper job for a while from her "I will never again be your little hunting falcon" jab at Mab I think she'd been perverting the winter Lady and Winter Knight gig for a while know. Be interesting to see more of what the Winter Lady's true role is in helping to hold off Armageddon. Might have to wait a book or two though.
I personally don't think Maeve was corrupted until after Summer Knight, and I took the "hunting falcon" comment as her getting folks killed per Mab's orders.  The scene where Harry uses the Mantle to try to get Maeve also strongly suggests that death dealing is a big part of it.

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CD Book Club / Re: Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 45-53 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
« on: December 20, 2012, 09:46:27 PM »
When Sith asked what Harry' need to facilitates his job, Harry only asked a way to Chicago and a car. Had he asked 10.000 U.S. Dollars, an active credit card with no limit, a .44 revolver, a passable american ID and a wooden staff, do you think sith will provide it? What else do you think Harry could asked at the time?
and ask very nicely, or he'd get 10 thousand dollars from, say, a retiree's bank account, Johnny Marcone's credit card, an unloaded relic of a gun, ID for Marcone (again) and a music staff made of wood.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [Spoilers for all books] Theories index
« on: December 19, 2012, 04:24:20 AM »
When Molly removed Harry's memories in Changes, she inadvertently changed him, transferring some measure of her feelings for him.

source: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35005.msg1705045.html#msg1705045

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do we put in podcasts Jim as done here?  his Facebook fans know of this already, but it wasn't in this thread, so I thought I'd plug it:

http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2012/12/the-sf-signal-podcast-episode-168-interview-with-ny-times-bestselling-author-jim-butcher/

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CD Book Club / Re: Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 45-53 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
« on: December 07, 2012, 09:42:43 PM »
I agree. I know that a dozen arguments will be made to the contrary but Harry is nothing if not responsible and it's irresponsible not to make contact with Maggie. Of course I am a single father of a daughter so I am hardly objective on the subject.
I guess I agreed with the rationale given - he's seen Maggie for all of a couple hours of her life, hours that included him cutting the throat of her mother.  If she does remember him, there's a good chance that all that trauma comes rolling back in.  And if she doesn't... well, she's still recovering from the trauma of the events in Changes, she's got a loving foster family that she looked quite content to be with.

Yes, it does freak him out.  But he's also on a timeline, and there really wasn't that much opportunity to chase her down.  He /could/ have done it, and Thomas and Murphy were pushing him to do it, yes.  But all in all, saving her and the rest of Chicago probably trumps seeing her and risking hurting her. 

In the long run, though, he's gotta get over it.

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For some reason this post makes me think that we totally need a scene where Death (or Mother Winter in proper aspect if you like) fiddles away at Saint-Saens' Danse Macabre.       With rooster crow at daylight.
now you've got a scene from The Graveyard Book stuck in my head.

I'm sort of hoping that Mother Winter isn't Death. 

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CD Book Club / Re: Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 45-53 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
« on: December 05, 2012, 12:01:13 AM »
Can anyone think of a lie that Aurora told?  I really can't - I just remember Harry thinking how she'd used typical Sidhe wordplay and her magic healing touch to distract him.

Granted, the Adversary may not have been willing to let it be known it was in action, but I was just wondering if someone /else/ might have been infected, someone who Aurora trusted and who talked her down the path that lead to her actions.  Elaine is a possibility, but I can't remember if Talos had an on screen death... and I wonder if he might be less trustworthy.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD spoilers] Small Favor
« on: December 04, 2012, 12:40:14 AM »
Not so much idiocy, but dysfunction.  That comment in Cold Days about Titania and Mab not talking since before Hastings comes into play.  They don't communicate AT ALL.  And, I get the impression that Mab has finally realized the weakness and vulnerablity this creates and seeks to remedy it.  Getting rid of Maeve because of her infection is one thing, but replacing her with a bundle of emotional nerves (Sarissa) seems to be an olive branch to Titania, or an invitation to open a dialogue.  Instead, Sarissa ends up in Summer, and Molly is in the role.  And, it's just as well due to her own emotional nature.  Summer is all about emotion.  Winter...pragmatism. 
Titania had cause to go after the murderer of her daughter (by Harry being emissary).  this is before Eldest Gruff (or was it Elder Gruff) prevailed on her that it was necessary.  She took the shot.

Do we know that Ivy was not infected? I mean she did hint to Harry right way in Changes, breaking neutrality just a bit. Slowly being corrupted and granting Ivy ability to take active role in matters of great importance. (Going against her nature of staying neutral)

Infected Ivy?   :o  Oh crap.

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LOL, did no one (else) here actually hear the stories as a kid?   Really?
as a kid, no.  my first Baba Yaga experience was in an X-men comic where she tried to eat Colossus's little sister.  First time I encountered Eitri too... well, no, I tell a lie, I'd read some Norse mythos at that point.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Questions for Jim 2012 style 2
« on: December 03, 2012, 10:06:03 PM »
Not really.

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,21772.msg947683.html#msg947683
thanks, TDF, I was looking for that quote.  and I think it may speak to why the Mantle doesn't react to her the same as it did for Molly/Maeve/Andi/Sarissa...

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