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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Con on November 11, 2017, 02:31:44 AM
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Marcone Manipulates Harry to deal with all of his Supernatural threats. Beginning in Storm Front Marcone was trying to get Harry to work for him, but I think this entire time he just figured out a way to get Harry to work for him for free.
Think about it Victor Sells- threat to his business and his life.
The Hexenwolf FBI who were on a task force to stop him, the Lycanthropes Biker Gang who were a threat Organised Crime wise, The Loup Garou who was blocking his development project.
Bianca who had the best Escort agency in town who Marcone somehow managed to steal away from the White Court despite the fact that White Court deal in Lust (I suspect he gives them 10% out of courtesy).
Death Masks Harry tracks down the Shroud for him.
Blood Rites Dresden cripples the White Court and saves a bunch of kids. Dead Beat Marcone gives him a direct hint to someone who has hurt one of his employee's.
White Night Marcone gets Harry to make him a Freeholding Lord.
Small Favour- Enough said.
Changes Harry takes down the Red COurt which was in Marcones best interest.
Ghost Story Harry prevents a minor noble of the Fomor and previous enemy from posing a serious threat to Chicago.
Cold Days- Prevention of the Apocalypse.
Skin Game- Marcone gets his own private swiss bank (every mobsters dream) of Supernatural creatures, favour with Mab, gets back at Nicodemus and gets a box full of Diamonds.
Face it Harry you work for Marcone for free.
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I have to agree that Harry spends a fair amount of time helping Marcone's interests. Harry sees Marcone as a necessary evil. But, Harry has stated that Marcone is, also, on Harry's to-do list.
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I have to agree that Harry spends a fair amount of time helping Marcone's interests. Harry sees Marcone as a necessary evil. But, Harry has stated that Marcone is, also, on Harry's to-do list.
Yeah, kind of like what Mab said about Uriel in Small Favor, they had a common interest on that particular day..
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Yeah, kind of like what Mab said about Uriel in Small Favor, they had a common interest on that particular day..
More or less.
Marcone wants the worse monsters gone because they impact his business/break his 'Rules'. Harry wants them dead because they're Basically Supervillains. So Marcone gives him just enough aid to allow Dresden to succeed in what he was going to do anyway and reap the rewards.
Harry doesn't work for Marcone, Marcone has just gotten really good at riding the coattails of Harry's self-appointed crusade against Evil.
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More or less.
Marcone wants the worse monsters gone because they impact his business/break his 'Rules'. Harry wants them dead because they're Basically Supervillains. So Marcone gives him just enough aid to allow Dresden to succeed in what he was going to do anyway and reap the rewards.
Harry doesn't work for Marcone, Marcone has just gotten really good at riding the coattails of Harry's self-appointed crusade against Evil.
Good way to sum up their relationship.
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Marcone does not necessarily point Harry in a specific direction or at a specific enemy (example Changes: Harry was already pointed at the Red Court). He does give Harry information on occasion which serves three purposes usually. Number 1, it keeps Marcone in the know when it comes to potential fallout on Harry's cases. This allows him to protect/expand his own interests (acquired the Velvet Room). Number 2, it allows him to subtly achieve a desired outcome by giving Harry specific bits of information (removal of Vistor Sells). Number 3, it allows him to try and build goodwill with Harry (futile as that may be).
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Marcone nothing, What happens is multiple people manipulate Harry and marcone into working together. From bad guys to team UMOE, everybody gots their strings in them two. Marcone, while being wiley, is never the originator of it.
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Well, we already see that Mab is playing both of them.
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Mab has alot more experience at playing people.
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Mab is overrated.
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I don't think we have seen Mab throw down and show what she can do.
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well, maybe we'll see in PT, if I remember correctly, we will see "Mab sweat" what it's going to take to make her sweat should be interesting.
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Dragon-fire?
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I think everyone manipulates Dresden. That’s sort of the plot of every book.
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I think Marcone uses Harry, but does not manipulate Harry. If he got Harry to do things he otherwise would not do, then you have a case for manipulation. But mostly Marcone sees Harry as a useful club against his own personal enemies. It is that "I use my enemy to destroy my greater enemy" vibe.
Now I totally realize that Marcone gets supernatural and criminal street cred for "using" Dresden to destroy his enemies.
And realistically, Harry is not an enemy of Marcone. Harry is, at best, a potential enemy IF and ONLY IF Marcone chooses to go down certain paths. So long as Marcone avoids these paths (ie - dark supernatural stuff or lots of direct harm to innocents), Harry is not going to attack Marcone's interests. And Marcone is not so petty as to resent Harry's strength when it does not come at his expense. Harry can be an accidental threat in that his behavior can create a PR problem for Marcone, but Marcone has proven apt in navigating that hazard.
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Marcone got Harry to help an innocent ex employee get off and smack down a white court vamp and protect a little kid in Jury Duty short story by getting Harry on the Jury. Harry should remember to call in that favor marker when needed from Marcone.
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Marcone got Harry to help an innocent ex employee get off and smack down a white court vamp and protect a little kid in Jury Duty short story by getting Harry on the Jury. Harry should remember to call in that favor marker when needed from Marcone.
Jury Duty takes place after Skin Game right? In Skin Game Marcone tells Harry that their accounts are balanced so this would be a debt owed.
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But, will Marcone see it as a notable favor?
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Only if he feels like it benefits him to do so.
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That sounds about right.
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Harry could make the case that Marcone used him (without consulting first) and should thus have some level of debt as a result.
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Marcone did not ask Harry to save the person, so no real favor exists. Harry could see that Marcone was using Harry to save his person. Harry choose to do so -- but arguably he would have done so anyway even if the person had no ties to Marcone. The method might have been different, but the outcome probably the same.
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Marcone can only exist in Harry's shadow. Harry is the preeminent supernatural superpower in Chicago, and he allows Marcone to exist. If Harry were gone for any significant time (such as the last few books) Marcone's power would degrade until it would eventually fail, and lord knows he only managed to become as powerful as he did because he had a safe place to grow into his current power. Any other location and the local supernatural power would have smacked him down before he could marshal the defenses he can now.
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Marcone did not ask Harry to save the person, so no real favor exists. Harry could see that Marcone was using Harry to save his person. Harry choose to do so -- but arguably he would have done so anyway even if the person had no ties to Marcone. The method might have been different, but the outcome probably the same.
Harry saved Marcone from the Denarians without be asked by Marcone. Marcone acknowledged the debt. Marcone manipulated Harry getting chosen for Jury Duty knowing Harry would ack. Harry would not have been on the Jury if Marcone did not get him on the Jury. It is a debt Marcone owes Harry. How big a debt it is, remains to be seen. Marcone is usually honorable about such things. That's how I see things.
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Other than Jury Duty, I don't believe that Marcone has so much manipulated Harry as much as simply let Harry do his thing in such a manner as it benefited Marcone.
Harry was going to go after the Loup-Garou either way. Saving Marcone's life was just what Harry was going to do anyway.
The whole Skin Game thing was more a manipulation by Mab than Marcone, and they weren't doing it to just Harry either.