ParanetOnline
The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: SerScot on October 20, 2021, 02:09:37 PM
-
Ebenezer gives me weird vibes. Has for sometime. I’m in the middle of a re-read and I’m on Turn Coat. Harry told Ev he was going to call out Peabody before he did so. Eb said he was going to make “preparations”. Why was Peabody able to wreak such havoc when the blackstaff was forewarned and had made “preparations”.
Is Eb on the up and up? His Daughter, taught by him, was likely a member of the “black council”. He’s a professional assassin. He is skeptical of the existing White Council. What if Eb is not who he seems to be?
-
Ebenezer gives me weird vibes. Has for sometime. I’m in the middle of a re-read and I’m on Turn Coat. Harry told Ev he was going to call out Peabody before he did so. Eb said he was going to make “preparations”. Why was Peabody able to wreak such havoc when the blackstaff was forewarned and had made “preparations”.
Is Eb on the up and up? His Daughter, taught by him, was likely a member of the “black council”. He’s a professional assassin. He is skeptical of the existing White Council. What if Eb is not who he seems to be?
Do not discount Peabody's ink, Eb was as exposed to it as everyone else with few exceptions. That put him under the influence of Peabody, how much or how little hasn't been gone into. Though at the end of Turn Coat Rashid told Harry they'd have to revisit Council decisions going back at least twelve years. The only reason Harry was spared was he didn't hang out at headquarters and missed a lot of meetings, still unimportant perhaps, he was spared contact with the ink, though by Turn Coat Peabody was very eager for him to sign papers he put before him.
-
Harry was clear of Peabody’s influence because he hated paperwork and authority.
On cannot discount that the White Council are not still bogged down in part by Peabody’s post hypnotic instructions. Martha Liberty springs to mind.
-
Mira,
Do not discount Peabody's ink, Eb was as exposed to it as everyone else with few exceptions. That put him under the influence of Peabody, how much or how little hasn't been gone into. Though at the end of Turn Coat Rashid told Harry they'd have to revisit Council decisions going back at least twelve years. The only reason Harry was spared was he didn't hang out at headquarters and missed a lot of meetings, still unimportant perhaps, he was spared contact with the ink, though by Turn Coat Peabody was very eager for him to sign papers he put before him.
Well, “don’t set up wards that will stop a fleeing traitor” is an awfully specific and overt manipulation to work on older minds (remember they made a big deal about that). Peabody’s ink only worked because it was very subtle manipulation.
Something about Eb makes my spidey senses tingle.
-
Perhaps it's the idea that he is a one man death squad. Judge, jury and executioner. Power corrupts and all that BS.
-
Mira,
Well, “don’t set up wards that will stop a fleeing traitor” is an awfully specific and overt manipulation to work on older minds (remember they made a big deal about that). Peabody’s ink only worked because it was very subtle manipulation.
Something about Eb makes my spidey senses tingle.
The ink worked on all minds, maybe not to the degree as on younger minds, but enough so all the decisions made by the Senior Council in the has dozen years or so had to be revisited. Senior Council minds are not younger minds. So I think yes, Eb was affected, I don't discount your spidey sense, I'd also toss in beginning stages of dementia as well.
Peabody was able to cause so much havoc because he was totally trusted, as secretary, all decision papers and orders went through him, these all had to be signed off by a senior wizard.. That made Peabody the perfect plant, the ink affected everyone without them realizing it.
-
Harry told Eb, before the hearing, that Peabody was the mole. Wouldn’t Eb have made preparations to keep Peabody contained?
-
Harry told Eb, before the hearing, that Peabody was the mole. Wouldn’t Eb have made preparations to keep Peabody contained?
I have to go back and reread that section of Turn Coat, but if I remember rightly it wasn't as easy
as it sounds. Politics entered heavily into it if I remember correctly and the need to find Morgan guilty even though this was proof that he wasn't guilty.
-
Harry told Eb, before the hearing, that Peabody was the mole. Wouldn’t Eb have made preparations to keep Peabody contained?
“Working on the evidence Dresden found,” Ebenezar said, “Warden Ramirez and I searched Peabody’s chambers thoroughly not twenty minutes ago. A test of the inks he used to attain the signatures of the Senior Council for various authorizations revealed the presence of a number of chemical and alchemical substances that are known to have been used to assist psychic manipulation of their subjects. It is my belief that Peabody has been drugging the ink for the purpose of attempting greater mental influence over the decisions of members of the Senior Council, and that it is entirely possible that he has compromised the free will of younger members of the Council outright.”
That's what he was doing.
-
That's what he was doing.
Yup, and it still was complicated by the politics.
-
That's what he was doing.
I get that. Why wasn’t he… also… taking steps to contain Peabody?
-
I get that. Why wasn’t he… also… taking steps to contain Peabody?
Harry talks a lot about wizard hubris it's probably a case of that. Eb probably that that between himself, the other senior council members, warden old guard, and Harry there was enough things in place between Peabody and freedom.
-
Harry talks a lot about wizard hubris it's probably a case of that. Eb probably that that between himself, the other senior council members, warden old guard, and Harry there was enough things in place between Peabody and freedom.
But only he and Harry knew what was about to go down. You’d think the Blackstaff would be more on the ball.
-
I get that. Why wasn’t he… also… taking steps to contain Peabody?
As a Doylist it was an exciting narrative. As a Watsonian Harry gets there close to the start of the meeting. Eb doesn't have time before the meeting starts to get with the Merlin. And Peabody isn't a punk warlock you can behead without talking about it. You have no idea of who's compromised so you have no idea what anybody will do if you ask for help.
Jim really likes this "who can you trust" trope.
-
As a Doylist it was an exciting narrative. As a Watsonian Harry gets there close to the start of the meeting. Eb doesn't have time before the meeting starts to get with the Merlin. And Peabody isn't a punk warlock you can behead without talking about it. You have no idea of who's compromised so you have no idea what anybody will do if you ask for help.
Jim really likes this "who can you trust" trope.
Exactly, especially when it would make a scandal become even more scandalous, that is why they were perfectly happy to make Morgan the fall guy even though he was innocent. And Morgan was happy to be that fall guy to protect Luccio.
-
And there was time pressure involved. Harry only arrived an hour or so at most before the trial commenced. Eb had to gather allies and then evidence in just a short period. Also nobody guessed that so many of the younger Wardens were compromised. Peabody goes down pretty hard in the door guards are unimpaired.
-
Keep in mind that Peabody's counter-measure was fairly extreme and unexpected.
-
Keep in mind that Peabody's counter-measure was fairly extreme and unexpected.
Yeah this. Nobody expected him to pull a Mordite-enfused mistfiend out of his butt.